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3 hours ago, JackONeill said:

Judith will spend her days face buried in a smartphone, no doubt solar-powered by Eugene.

Using the new zombie tracking app that helps the living avoid the herds during  daily commutes.

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21 hours ago, peach said:

ah, well, good for him for not saying it was an amazing, necessary choice.  So amazing.

I know these actors have to be wary of gaining a reputation by speaking the truth, they also have to consider future employment opportunities, but I can’t wait for the first cast member to really spill the beans on the show, to tell it like it really was, warts and all. I long for the first person to speak honestly about ‘The Gimp’, about what he did to the show and whether the actors had any input as to what happened on screen, whether they had the option to say ‘this is just bullshit, my character would never in a million years have said, or done that. Example, The character ‘Maggie’, would not have just sat in the car, whilst Simon and his henchmen surrounded them, and they would never have handed their weapons over to them just because they asked for them!  A total farce, so who is going to be the first to dish the dirt? 

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6 hours ago, CrazyDog said:

I'm just happy Rick lives. I don't care.

And random thoughts, I still miss Dwight. I guess we'll never know his fate.

I'm not thrilled with the time jump at all though. I've enjoyed the rebuilding that they've been doing and could have happily watched that for the rest of the season.

Yeah, me too.  I’ve always run hot and cold for Rick, currently in cold mode, but I never wanted him to die.    It’s a shame they didn’t give Coral the same fate.  Should have taken them together.  

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I think Dwight is coming back. I thought I saw pictures of him on set, a few months ago. From earlier in the year - but I've just looked them up, and he posted a picture in April, of Christian Serratos. 

IMDB has him listed as showing up next year, but that site isn't always reliable.

Oh... I've just realized that the show was still airing, later than usual, in April. *facepalm* The season finale was the day after my birthday. I'd forgotten that. 

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On 11/1/2018 at 6:23 PM, raven said:

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All of these were me after reading the synopsis of the episode.  These people are EXPERTS at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.  They have the chance to bid the leader of the show a PROPER farewell, but they just can't do it.  Maybe it's because EVERYONE knows that Lincoln is leaving because they fucked Chandler Riggs over and they don't have the decency and grace to admit that they made a horrible mistake.

Ten year old Judith wearing Carl's hat?  So stupid.  The little girl who currently plays Judith is lovely.  Why can't we watch Judith and Michonne deal with Rick's death?  Is it because they don't want to run the risk of Michonne being sympathetic?  And Danai getting a chance to show what she can do as an actor.  They're obviously not THAT desperate to get an Emmy.

 

3 hours ago, OoohMaggie said:

I've never thought that AL was a very good actor but it's clear he's a good man because so many people love him so much.  It was very moving to see past actors come back to sing his praises.  But Chandler isn't there and shame on Gimple and AMC FOREVER for killing Carl.  HE was the future.

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2 hours ago, OoohMaggie said:

I know these actors have to be wary of gaining a reputation of speaking the truth, they also have to consider future employment opportunities, but I can’t wait for the first cast member to really spill the beans on the show, to tell it like it really was, warts and all. I long for the first person to speak honestly about ‘The Gimp’, about what he did to the show and whether the actors had any input as to what happened on screen, whether they had the option to say ‘this is just bullshit, my character would never in a million years have said, or done that. Example, The character ‘Maggie’, would not have just sat in the car, whilst Simon and his henchmen surrounded them, and they would never have handed their weapons over to them just because they asked for them!  A total farce, so who is going to be the first to dish the dirt? 

I've been waiting for the TWD tell-all for years.  I KNOW there are a lot of actors out there dying to spill some tea.  And it's going to be HOT!  IronE Singleton, Laurie Holden and Chad Coleman have been hinting about behind the scenes skulduggery for years.  It's past time for that dirt to be dished!!!

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6 hours ago, OoohMaggie said:

So GN, Will that statement turn around and bite you in the arse?

‘The Walking Dead EP says show will not suffer after losing Rick Grimes’

https://ew.com/tv/2018/11/02/walking-dead-andrew-lincoln-rick-grimes-greg-nicotero/

 

What else is Nicotero going say? He wants the fans to keep watching. The show was already struggling with the Negan over the last two years. I can't imagine that it is going to improve with Rick gone and Negan ascendant. 

 

On 11/1/2018 at 6:59 PM, OoohMaggie said:

This interview is funny. Lauren makes it clear that negotiations went badly so she is moving on rejecting the interviewer's insistence that she commit to returning to TWD. The interviewer must be a TWD fan. 

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10 hours ago, mightysparrow said:

I've been waiting for the TWD tell-all for years.  I KNOW there are a lot of actors out there dying to spill some tea.  And it's going to be HOT!  IronE Singleton, Laurie Holden and Chad Coleman have been hinting about behind the scenes skulduggery for years.  It's past time for that dirt to be dished!!!

I was hoping chandler or his dad might let rip, I bet they’re dying to, but as I said they have his future to think about, plus I think the father might still be making money out of show related stuff, but one day................

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Some TWD behind the scene drama has come out in Darabont's lawsuit against AMC. Most of it related to AMC, Kirkman, and the other producers, not much from the actors. From the tibits I gather from the actors and others involved in the show, I think that fans who love to blame Gimple will be disappointed. His role seems to be to implement Kirkman's vision and meet AMC's budget demands. Most of the problems do seem to involve Kirkman, the other producers, and the AMC executives. Both Darabont and Mazzara point the finger at Kirkman for their firing.

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2 hours ago, OoohMaggie said:

I was hoping chandler or his dad might let rip, I bet they’re dying to, but as I said they have his future to think about, plus I think the father might still be making money out of show related stuff, but one day................

There’s probably a non-disparagement clause in their contract. A moderately successful actor with lots of shows under their belt and a bright future ahead probably wouldn’t worry too much about that. But someone like Chandler Riggs probably needs to weigh that carefully. If they speak, it could be costly, not just financially BUT employment-wise. But someone WILL talk. Give it time.

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From ComicBook.com

“Following The Walking Dead Episode 9x05, Talking Dead host Chris Hardwickwill be joined by Andrew Lincoln, Scott M. Gimple, Yvette Nicole Brown, and Melissa McBride. A slew of former and current cast members will also join the show via pre-recorded messages and surprise appearances to wish Lincoln a proper farewell from the AMC show he helped build.”

that woman again, Why? Give one of us a chance

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25 minutes ago, nodorothyparker said:

First look at the aged up Judith.  I seriously got nothing.  Of all the things to kill off or get rid of and they keep The Hat.

Without getting into comic talk (from what I've gotten by osmosis, I stopped reading the comics when Negan showed), looks like they are going to give Carl's comic arc to Judith. 

And yeah, that hat has gotta be at LEAST 20 years old in show time. 

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No offense to older Judith, but young Judith just got old enough to display an actual personality and that personality was adorable! She'd finally gotten to the point where she could be a real character on the show instead of just a lump that everybody carried around. Now she's been replaced. Shame.

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22 minutes ago, LydiaMoon1 said:

No offense to older Judith, but young Judith just got old enough to display an actual personality and that personality was adorable! She'd finally gotten to the point where she could be a real character on the show instead of just a lump that everybody carried around. Now she's been replaced. Shame.

She was so lovely and she worked so well with Andrew and Danai.  Fuckery.

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1 hour ago, nodorothyparker said:

First look at the aged up Judith.  I seriously got nothing.  Of all the things to kill off or get rid of and they keep The Hat.

 

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The fuck? LOLOLOL. This is a terrible idea

ETA: I think they are trying to trade on the nostalgia of Wee!Carl wearing Rick's hat.  The difference being it was never that big on Wee!Carl....so....WTF? 

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40 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

The fuck? LOLOLOL. This is a terrible idea

ETA: I think they are trying to trade on the nostalgia of Wee!Carl wearing Rick's hat.  The difference being it was never that big on Wee!Carl....so....WTF? 

Well... you have Rick & Carl represented with the hat, and Michonne with the katana on NuJudith’s back.  Reckon she’s supposed to present a blend of all possible best things?

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27 minutes ago, Nashville said:

Well... you have Rick & Carl represented with the hat, and Michonne with the katana on NuJudith’s back.  Reckon she’s supposed to present a blend of all possible best things?

Well, yes obviously. My point was that it's annoying and too obvious and the hat is too damn big.  There is no way that is the same hat. LOL

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On 11/2/2018 at 8:16 PM, mightysparrow said:

Ten year old Judith wearing Carl's hat?  So stupid. 

Okay, so I learned last week, after I read about Rick and Daryl falling in a hole and thought it was a joke, that nothing I read here, no matter how outlandish, silly or ridiculous cannot actually come to pass. "No way!" I exclaim. "No way would they do that!" But yeah - "Way."

And is it true that this is not the last season? I'm actually embarassed for TPTB who want to keep flogging this dead horse, no matter how much of a bad joke they turn this show into.

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They've said nothing about this being a last season.  Quite the opposite.  They keep talking in the press like they think this could run for another 10-plus seasons and even more so, Gimple was giving interviews around the time of Comic Con saying they were still hoping to further spin off into a whole WD universe like the CSI franchise.

I didn't do it.  I'm just relaying information.

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9 minutes ago, JackONeill said:

I think the ratings could drop to the point that only 2 to 3 people are watching the show and AMC would renew it. Because, let’s face it, what else does AMC have?

Better Call Saul?

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57 minutes ago, nodorothyparker said:

They've said nothing about this being a last season.  Quite the opposite.  They keep talking in the press like they think this could run for another 10-plus seasons and even more so, Gimple was giving interviews around the time of Comic Con saying they were still hoping to further spin off into a whole WD universe like the CSI franchise.

I didn't do it.  I'm just relaying information.

Judging by those pics and the time jump, and the new credits, TWD is a spinoff of itself already.

5 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:

First look at the aged up Judith.  I seriously got nothing.  Of all the things to kill off or get rid of and they keep The Hat.

Chris Hardwick has his work cut out for him.

On 11/2/2018 at 7:16 PM, mightysparrow said:

 Why can't we watch Judith and Michonne deal with Rick's death?

Because they ALWAYS do this!  Time jump! No need to actually write a drama.  Magic wand and everyone's over it.  Ugh!  So weak.
 

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I've never thought that AL was a very good actor but it's clear he's a good man because so many people love him so much.  It was very moving to see past actors come back to sing his praises.  But Chandler isn't there and shame on Gimple and AMC FOREVER for killing Carl.  HE was the future.

Amen! 

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On November 2, 2018 at 11:37 PM, SimoneS said:

What else is Nicotero going say? He wants the fans to keep watching. The show was already struggling with the Negan over the last two years. I can't imagine that it is going to improve with Rick gone and Negan ascendant. 

 

This interview is funny. Lauren makes it clear that negotiations went badly so she is moving on rejecting the interviewer's insistence that she commit to returning to TWD. The interviewer must be a TWD fan. 

I am so pissed over how they treated Lauren. It's obvious this season that Maggie can lead. Certainly better than Daryll.  And they had no problem forking over a pile of cash to Reedus. Sexism much. 

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1 hour ago, peach said:

TWD is a spinoff of itself already.

It's become a parody of itself.

 

1 hour ago, peach said:

Because they ALWAYS do this!  Time jump! No need to actually write a drama.  Magic wand and everyone's over it.  Ugh!  So weak.

I think it's because no one who writes this stuff knows anything about real, genuine, strong human emotions. They've proven time and again they don't. They either ignore it, or as you say, make enough of a time jump so they don't have to deal with it. Hey, let's make another zombie head explode! Cool beans!

 

9 minutes ago, Macbeth said:

And they had no problem forking over a pile of cash to Reedus. Sexism much. 

Neither of them are very good actors, IMO. Maybe being a Prada model has perks. 

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14 minutes ago, Macbeth said:

I am so pissed over how they treated Lauren. It's obvious this season that Maggie can lead. Certainly better than Daryll.  And they had no problem forking over a pile of cash to Reedus. Sexism much. 

It's not so much about whether Maggie is a better leader than Daryl (she is), it's about Norman Reedus having a stronger fan following than Lauren Cohan.  Ride with Norman Reedus doesn't exist because of Daryl's exemplary leadership skills and impeccable grooming skills. 

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22 minutes ago, Macbeth said:

I am so pissed over how they treated Lauren. It's obvious this season that Maggie can lead. Certainly better than Daryll.  And they had no problem forking over a pile of cash to Reedus. Sexism much. 

Pretty much. According to the article below, Norman Reedus is getting paid a cool million per episode. Since he is on contract, it doesn't matter how many episodes he appears in although he is in all the episodes this season according to TSDF's filming leaks. I can only imagine how much AMC low balled Lauren during her contract negotiations. I think that Danai is probably leaving since this is the last year of her contract, but if she decides to stay, I hope she makes sure that AMC pays her as much or nearly as much as Reedus.

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/the-walking-dead/news/a869647/norman-reedus-walking-dead-salary-revealed/

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I can see this show becoming Uncle Daryl Takes The Kids Out to Kill Walkers. It’ll be an old grizzled Daryl (not much different than the current version, just older) taking Judith and little Herschel out in the side-car of his motorcycle, killing Walkers and reminiscing about the good old days. It’ll be all hat, cowboy boots and crossbow.

But this way, with kids taking up so much screen time, they won’t have to pay adult actors. Budget problems solved! The show can live forever. Call it: The Walking Dead, Junior Edition.

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3 hours ago, SimoneS said:

Pretty much. According to the article below, Norman Reedus is getting paid a cool million per episode. Since he is on contract, it doesn't matter how many episodes he appears in although he is in all the episodes this season according to TSDF's filming leaks. I can only imagine how much AMC low balled Lauren during her contract negotiations. I think that Danai is probably leaving since this is the last year of her contract, but if she decides to stay, I hope she makes sure that AMC pays her as much or nearly as much as Reedus.

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/the-walking-dead/news/a869647/norman-reedus-walking-dead-salary-revealed/

 

I hope Danai runs like the wind when her contract is up. She's got an awesome career taking off right now and she should take full advantage of it. She's not Reedus who knows he struck gold here and will cling to it for dear life because this is it other than bit parts here and there playing the random weirdo. No amount of money is worth it to stay on a floundering decade old tv show when you can be booking A list gigs. And if somehow it doesn't work out for Danai, well according to AMC they're looking at TWD as if its Days of Our Lives with zombies, and want it to go one forever, so they'll be a show to come back to.

 

3 hours ago, AngelaHunter said:

I think it's because no one who writes this stuff knows anything about real, genuine, strong human emotions. They've proven time and again they don't. They either ignore it, or as you say, make enough of a time jump so they don't have to deal with it. Hey, let's make another zombie head explode! Cool beans!

I agree. They struggle writing the grief that comes after a death so they usually just skip it. Damn fine storytelling. They used to be better at it. The last episode that showed anyone having any difficulty following a loss that I can remember was "Them" in season 5. Before that, off the top of my head, we watched Hershel and Beth struggle after the walker's came out of the barn. Carol with Sophia through her disappearance and then death. Rick lost his mind for half a season following Lori. When they all thought each other died after the prison fell, they showed some real emotion then. When they got to Alexandria everything went to total shit. 

 

10 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:

First look at the aged up Judith.  I seriously got nothing.  Of all the things to kill off or get rid of and they keep The Hat.

 

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Oy vey. If they wanted to fast forward and depict "the next generation" of Grimes or I guess its "Grimes" now, why not just keep Carl alive? You know, the character whose arc we've been following for years and who was set up to lead the future. If you didn't want to pay Chandler, hire an older actor and newbie to play 20 something Carl who would be so eager to get on the show he'd agree to compensation in Arby's coupons. 

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And if the spoilers are true and that Rick isn't dying and there will be a 10 year time jump then FU toTPTB. 

They don't want to admit defeat to the fans and acknowledge that Andrew Lincoln decided to leave their sorry asses. 

"Hey Rick could come back at any time, you never know ". Yeah we actually know he won't be coming back

And the 10 Year time lapse means nobody on the show will be mourning him. FU. 

I have never in my life seen a bigger shit show than this. A popular show that drove away fans because they couldn't admit Negan was a mistake. 

And by killing Carl they drive away their leading man who held the cast together. 

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23 minutes ago, Macbeth said:

And if the spoilers are true and that Rick isn't dying and there will be a 10 year time jump then FU toTPTB. 

They don't want to admit defeat to the fans and acknowledge that Andrew Lincoln decided to leave their sorry asses. 

"Hey Rick could come back at any time, you never know ". Yeah we actually know he won't be coming back

And the 10 Year time lapse means nobody on the show will be mourning him. FU. 

I have never in my life seen a bigger shit show than this. A popular show that drove away fans because they couldn't admit Negan was a mistake. 

And by killing Carl they drive away their leading man who held the cast together. 

Yep. He may want to be with his children, as they start school, but I'm sure that he decided to leave, because they killed Carl. I think he would have stuck around for Carl to take over in a season or two, if they hadn't done that. 

I can't believe it's almost been a year since that episode when we found out that Carl had been bitten. I think that was the only night I relaxed in December, once we got our pretty tree, and set it up in the corner. I showered, and watched the show, even though I'd been off it for ages. And then I slept on a baby mattress, next to my disabled dog on the floor. I miss him, and I'm annoyed that they screwed up this show so much. Happy early Thanksgiving folks, we're killing off one of the main reasons you tune in! Again! And keeping the guy who turned you off in the first place.

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When the bridge blew up, I thought that maybe they punked us and the helicopter ending wasn't going to happen, because it was such a good FINISH.  But, no, the spoilers were right, again.  Oh, well.  I only watched this once in a while anymore, y'all know how furious I was about Carl.  Now that we've actually seen Judith and her Elmo voice and her acting, not to mention the silly overacting of the new people in the clearing with the zombies, I have zero interest in this new version of the show. I sure did enjoy the Shane and Hershel scenes and memories of the past.  But the future looks like a real bore.

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On 11/3/2018 at 7:54 AM, SimoneS said:

Some TWD behind the scene drama has come out in Darabont's lawsuit against AMC. Most of it related to AMC, Kirkman, and the other producers, not much from the actors. From the tibits I gather from the actors and others involved in the show, I think that fans who love to blame Gimple will be disappointed. His role seems to be to implement Kirkman's vision and meet AMC's budget demands. Most of the problems do seem to involve Kirkman, the other producers, and the AMC executives. Both Darabont and Mazzara point the finger at Kirkman for their firing.

 I never got why people here were blaming Gimble when it was reported a few years back (2014/2015) that Kirkman had been given more creative control of the show (as well as the spinoff). 

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I couldn't/didn't watch the ep when Carl died, the week prior to that was my last for awhile. This week and last week were the first I've watched since then and now I'm done until Maggie's last ep. After that I'll go back to my mainstay of watching the first (five?) seasons because they are never not enjoyable. I surely will not be paying to plunk my ass down in a movie theater. No sirree, uh uh, nope. I refuse to subsidize Gimple's retirement fund by doing that or by purchasing the boxed set. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me numerous times, shame on me. 

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A trilogy!  So Rick's going to be in several movies in expanded adventures but I guess he can't find Virginia.

https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/walking-dead-andrew-lincoln-movies-1203019537/
 

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“We have a lot on the horizon – starting with a new epic featuring one of the greatest leading actors in television history and one of the best people I’ve ever met,” said Gimple. “These films are going to be big evolutions of what we’ve been doing on the show, with the scope and scale of features. We’re starting with the first part of the continuing story of Rick Grimes, and there is much more on the way, featuring yet-unseen worlds of ‘The Walking Dead’ and faces from the show’s past, as well as new characters we hope to become favorites, told by TWD veterans and emerging voices. We want to break new ground with different, distinct stories, all part of the same world that’s captured our imagination for nearly a decade of the Dead.”

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7 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said:

I never got why people here were blaming Gimble when it was reported a few years back (2014/2015) that Kirkman had been given more creative control of the show (as well as the spinoff). 

Gimple has always been the one to follow the comic closely, Kirkman was more open to moving away from the written material, he was shocked however, when ‘The Gimp’ told him that he wanted to kill Coral, pretty much the decision that has done more harm to the show than anything else. Maybe you genuinely believe he was ‘promoted’ because he had done such an amazing job with the show. I believe he is at the heart of the desctruction of TWD.

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So Andy is going to do some movies to keep on being Rick without being stuck in Georgia for more than half the year (don't yell at me, by stuck I mean away from family/home not "stuck" somewhere unpleasant).  But if some point he wanted to come back  I've been wondering if Rick exiting on the helicopter was also opening the door to have him return if (when?) they introduce the Commonwealth?

Just speculation and they have a lot of story to get through both made up for the show and tied to the comics to get to this one but..........................   maybe he's going to take the place of Elodie?  They've been pretty clear that on the show Michonne had one child, a son Andre and he is dead.  So if they want to use Elodie's comic story they could twist it around a bit to have her find Rick alive instead.  All speculation of course and it depends on the show lasting several more years and Andy Lincoln wanting to come back full time by then but it would be an interesting way to go.

Also in the preview Jesus and Aaron were looking at a herd of "walkers" who were just milling around instead of, you know, "walking".  Forget who we think those milling "walkers" are, what I want is for that to mean Jesus and Aaron are a couple or are becoming one.  Been waiting for that and with the time skip Eric has been gone long enough for Aaron to move on.  It's a little thing but I do want to see that relationship included in the show.

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8 hours ago, peach said:

A trilogy!  So Rick's going to be in several movies in expanded adventures but I guess he can't find Virginia.

As a fan of The Dead, it’s something I’ve been wishing for over the past few years and personally I can’t wait. I’ve always wanted to see what happened to the original characters at the outbreak of the ZA, much like the start to Fear, maybe we’ll see some of that. Despite being written by ‘The Gimp’ it does look promising, and if they can capture the ‘early years’ feel of the show what’s not to like? It’s just Gimple that has me worried, with feature length projects they’ve got to get it right, there’s no good week, bad week, good week, if it tanks the whole thing goes down. Is Spielberg busy? 

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9 hours ago, peach said:

not to mention the silly overacting of the new people in the clearing with the zombies,

Fit, healthy people still managing to get surrounded by Walkers, despite how many  years into the ZA now?

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