Catelynn (and Tyler)

[Elizabeth9]

"Wise men never argue with fools, because people from a distance can't tell who is who"

Not that any of them are wise, but that's what I thought when they were arguing with Farrah.  They all look like assholes- three lazy, entitled assholes getting mad over one delusional asshole.

[ginger90]

I wonder if Tyler will re tweet this:

https://mobile.twitter.com/SimonSaran/status/790566898400391172/photo/1

[CofCinci]

9 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

I wonder if Tyler will re tweet this:

https://mobile.twitter.com/SimonSaran/status/790566898400391172/photo/1

So true.  C&T have been the recipients of the kind edit for so long. 

[Katt]

No, he won't, cos Johnny Depp is hotter than Tyler. Under that "logic", he'd never retweet anything. 

[mamadrama]

22 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

Sounds like a song. Sing it to the Hall & Oates song "Private Eyes" -

"Ryan eyes, they're watching you..."

Shit. Now I got that damn song in my head.

Cate looks like shit. She looks like she is 40 years old trying to look like she is 25.

 I was thinking the Eagles...

"You can't hide your Ryan eyes

And your smile is a thin disguise
I thought by now you'd realize
There ain't no way to hide your Ryan eyes"

[poopchute]

I couldn't hear what Dawn was saying to Catelyn and Tyler in the preview for next week.  I just saw "communication" on the paper. Are BrandonandTheresa cutting them off?!  

[CofCinci]

10 minutes ago, poopchute said:

I couldn't hear what Dawn was saying to Catelyn and Tyler in the preview for next week.  I just saw "communication" on the paper. Are BrandonandTheresa cutting them off?!  

I couldn't understand either. :/

[Brooklynista]

11 minutes ago, poopchute said:

I couldn't hear what Dawn was saying to Catelyn and Tyler in the preview for next week.  I just saw "communication" on the paper. Are BrandonandTheresa cutting them off?!  

Sure is what it looked like. Good for Brandon and Teresa. Catelynn and Tyler are an absolute train wreck. Carly is better off without the once a year visit to the weirdo who tries to pretend he's her dad.

[leighroda]

I doubt they are actually being cut off, but maybe it's a stern warning... but I do think cutting off completely would be the best case scenario for everyone.  I just think we would have heard something on social media by now, Tyler couldn't keep quiet when that was all they were asking him to do, so I don't think he would stay quiet if it were a done deal.

[monicageller]

On 24/10/2016 at 5:37 AM, ginger90 said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/TeenMom/status/790236360728645632/video/1

omg, Tyler and his pathological need to be right is really highlighted in this scene. One minute he's saying to Catelynn 'maybe this is like, not a good thing to do' and after she gives her opinion that it is, he argues 'is it? I don't know, addicts don't even, like, wanna do that'. Anything to argue with Cate! Then later in the scene when Butch realises what's going on, Tyler hesitantly repeats what he said earlier (with less confidence because somebody who isn't Cate might disagree with him), and Butch marvels at his year of no violations (RIP to that) and how it's a cause for celebration, and Tyler enthusiastically goes 'Yeah! I would say so, right? That's cause for celebration!' Fuck off Tyler, you weren't saying that a minute ago, and certainly not with the conviction in your voice you're putting on now. It pisses me off how he just can't ever maybe be wrong about something, regardless of how small an issue.

[poopchute]

I asked in the episode thread but does anyone know if the season was still filming once episodes started airing this time around?  This stuff was probably filmed in August and I feel like I've been watching this season for two months at least. Usually it's not this close to real time but it seems like we are almost caught up with real life here. I wonder if BrandonandTheresa made whatever changes they are making after seeing one of Tyler's tantrums about Carly earlier this season.

[FlowerofCarnage]

On 9/23/2016 at 4:44 PM, Brooklynista said:

On 9/29/2016 at 8:33 PM, GreatKazu said:

Or, they are abusers.

I don't see Cate going THAT far, but I do see her being the type to go check things out. Peeping through a window or sitting in her minivan watching from afar. I wouldn't be shocked to know she goes through Tyler's phone. I bet she does that constantly.  From what has been posted here, he sure puts himself out there on the internet a lot. She has probably caught him checking out porn. Cate went ballistic over Tyler going to a club, imagine finding his computer filled with porn? LMAO Maybe that is what happened on piggie night. Poor piggie got the blame.

Poor thing probably thought u<uū77

[FlowerofCarnage]

4 hours ago, poopchute said:

I couldn't hear what Dawn was saying to Catelyn and Tyler in the preview for next week.  I just saw "communication" on the paper. Are BrandonandTheresa cutting them off?!  

I think they're informing them that there will no longer be any yearly visits. 

[iheartla]

35 minutes ago, poopchute said:

I asked in the episode thread but does anyone know if the season was still filming once episodes started airing this time around?  This stuff was probably filmed in August and I feel like I've been watching this season for two months at least. Usually it's not this close to real time but it seems like we are almost caught up with real life here. I wonder if BrandonandTheresa made whatever changes they are making after seeing one of Tyler's tantrums about Carly earlier this season.

Yes, it looks like this was filmed in August. 

 

My DVR cut off the preview, but if C&T's yearly visits with Carly are cut off, I think it would be blasted all over their twitters. 

[FlowerofCarnage]

Poor B & T. I imagine once this episode airs, T & C nutjob fans will start harassing them again.

[Caracoa1]

I'm curious if Brandon and Theresa cut off Cate and Tyler.... maybe they did but per their MTV contract Tyler and Cate had to keep their big mouths shut until the episode aired or lose their money .

[CofCinci]

6 hours ago, poopchute said:

I asked in the episode thread but does anyone know if the season was still filming once episodes started airing this time around?  This stuff was probably filmed in August and I feel like I've been watching this season for two months at least. Usually it's not this close to real time but it seems like we are almost caught up with real life here. I wonder if BrandonandTheresa made whatever changes they are making after seeing one of Tyler's tantrums about Carly earlier this season.

Great question.  Full sneak peaks of clips of Tyler's 'I will not sacrifice my voice!' monologue hit the internet on 08/23/2016, but I recall the scene being included in the season preview about a month earlier.

http://www.mtv.com/video-clips/1uxgv1/teen-mom-sneak-peek-tyler-s-internal-struggle-with-carly-s-parents

So, the timeline fits.  The producers spend one week a month with C&T.  This could be early Sept. filming.  What we see next week may be B&T's response to the scene post above....

Edited October 25, 2016 by CofCinci

[poopchute]

I kind of that would have happened last season , after the episode aired where Tyler says "when you tell me I can't post pictures of her it makes me want to do it more" and Theresa made a face like, eeeeeeek.  I thought after that aired all their behind the scenes shit talking and BrandontandTheresa saw it they would have closed the adoption. I would have. Maybe that was the last chance and then after AGAIN this season they said we are done.  I hope they are done.  Catelyn and Tyler don't deserve any more chances to comply with their requests.

[Marisagf]

I don't see the preview for next week's ep on the MTV site.  Can anyone post it?

[CofCinci]

1 hour ago, Marisagf said:

I don't see the preview for next week's ep on the MTV site.  Can anyone post it?

It's not up yet.   It aired right after the episode last night.  If someone catches it later, maybe they can screengrab a shot of the document presented to C&T from B&T.

[GreatKazu]

I always add an extra minute to my dvr recording time but it still cut off the preview. It is a conspiracy. The episode was a wee bit longer than the 1 hour and 1 minute time. MTV probably did that to keep people with dvr's from screen-grabbing that document until the repeat airs which is later this week. I should check On Demand. 

[ghoulina]

I kind of doubt B&T cut off ALL contact, but I bet some changes have been made. I don't blame them at all. 

[GreatKazu]

15 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

I kind of doubt B&T cut off ALL contact, but I bet some changes have been made. I don't blame them at all. 

This.

Nope. The episode is not showing On Demand.

 

@poopchute from what I read somewhere, this season along with TM2, have done some extended filming. There was an article about TM2 filming season 7B, not season 8. It was a way to continue filming without drawing up new contracts. I have wondered if it also has to do with MTV wanting to give us more recent episodes. We have complained here about knowing all the dirty details of the cast and how MTV is so behind on the story lines. Maybe MTV personnel have read these complaints on other pages and their own site and decided to bring the timeline closer to real time.

Edited October 25, 2016 by GreatKazu

[AhFillAck]

1 hour ago, GreatKazu said:

I always add an extra minute to my dvr recording time but it still cut off the preview. It is a conspiracy. The episode was a wee bit longer than the 1 hour and 1 minute time. MTV probably did that to keep people with dvr's from screen-grabbing that document until the repeat airs which is later this week. I should check On Demand. 

It's the "Openness Agreement" (which states that it is not legally binding) but there is another page that we can't see. I don't see why reading that would make Cate cry because it's ancient news, so there must be something on the other page.

[Uncle JUICE]

I could have sworn I saw that lady highlighting something right before Cate started crying. 

[GreatKazu]

This is what is noted on that agreement:

Quote

Cate and Tyler are requesting DVD recordings of Carly's birthday up until Carly's 5th birthday.
Tyler is requesting a birthday photo of Carly alone up until her 18th birthday.
Exchange of these will occur at Bethany.
Catelynn and Tyler may request visitation with the adoptive family...at the discretion of the adoptive family as they determine what is in the best interest of Carly.

Edited October 25, 2016 by GreatKazu

[FlowerofCarnage]

"...visits at te descretion of the adoptive family as determine what is in the best interest of Carly" Sounds like B&T are pulling the plug on the annual visits and it's being explained to Catelynn that that is within their right as outlinned in the agreement.

[teapot]

Did anyone read My Sweet Audrina by VC Andrews?

The girl in it is named Audrina, after her dead sister, who was the First and Best Audrina.  They have her sit in her sister's rocking chair to "absorb her memories" in hopes of becoming like her.

that's almost the vibe I get from how C & T treat iCarly2 (tm www.imbringingbloggingback.com)

[GreatKazu]

4 minutes ago, teapot said:

Did anyone read My Sweet Audrina by VC Andrews?

The girl in it is named Audrina, after her dead sister, who was the First and Best Audrina.  They have her sit in her sister's rocking chair to "absorb her memories" in hopes of becoming like her.

that's almost the vibe I get from how C & T treat iCarly2 (tm www.imbringingbloggingback.com)

C&T definitely have some unhealthy attachment to Carly. The constant references to her as their daughter, the need for her to be there at their wedding, the whole lie about Carly calling Tyler "daddy", is just a few things that come to mind. I am almost certain that "daddy" comment, along with other things that may have occurred off-camera, led to B&T having to curtail these visits "until further notice."

9 minutes ago, FlowerofCarnage said:

"...visits at te descretion of the adoptive family as determine what is in the best interest of Carly" Sounds like B&T are pulling the plug on the annual visits and it's being explained to Catelynn that that is within their right as outlinned in the agreement.

After reading that part of the agreement, I now believe that is the case. I was believing maybe it was just a stern warning, but now I think otherwise.

[CofCinci]

Great screenshot.  Hopefully some young expectant mother researching adoption, especially with such an unethical organizations as Bethany, will come across this thread. 

There is no such thing as an option adoption.  The openness agreements are not legally binding. On the day following the adoption, B&T could have never spoken to C&T again -- and it would be legal and within their rights as Carly's parents.

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

5 minutes ago, CofCinci said:

Great screenshot.  Hopefully some young expectant mother researching adoption, especially with such an unethical organizations as Bethany, will come across this thread. 

There is no such thing as an option adoption.  The openness agreements are not legally binding. On the day following the adoption, B&T could have never spoken to C&T again -- and it would be legal and within their rights as Carly's parents.

THIS.^^^^ 

If anything, watching this show has made think that if I my child ever had a baby they wanted to put up for adoption in an "open adoption," I might actively try to dissuade them from doing so....if they really wanted to do an adoption I'd probably suggest a closed one, since it seems like most close anyway & the "open adoption" thing seems to largely be an unenforceable farce that uneducated birth parents are swayed by when choosing couples. I'm 99.9% sure B&T would have closed the adoption long ago if it wasn't for the fact that they found themselves as the poster family for open adoption when 16&P became Teen Mom. I often wonder if Bethany gave them a discount (or didn't charge them at all) for the adoption of their son.  It was kind of the least they could do in return for B&T putting up with this show for so long and helping save face for Bethany & "open adoptions." My guess is after 7 years of this crap, they're over it and willing to finally cut C&T off.

[leighroda]

I hope B&T do pull the visitation plug, but I still think this is just a stern warning or further spread apart visits/pictures/communication. Although I could speculate that we haven't heard anything about this on Twitter because this is a negative consequence of their actions... and they don't post things that don't cast themselves as Demi gods... I think something had to happen to cause Cates reaction, I don't always trust previews because they sometimes use things as teasers that aren't anything like they seem, but this seemed pretty straight forward... I'm confidant something happened, but I'm not convinced communication was completely cut off.

[starfire]

I wonder if, aside from the drama Tyler created about posting pictures of Carly, that Brandon and Teresa have decided that they don't want immature, unmotivated, unstable, bad-parent stoners around their child. Maybe they will be only allowing letters and pictures, at least until Carly is older and/or C&T get their acts together.

[Caracoa1]

I'm thinking Brandon and Theresa will continue on with yearly updates and pictures but are eliminating the yearly visits for now..... can't blame them a bit....poor Carly could be getting teased at school......

[BravoAddict72]

Part of me wishes they would stop with the pictures too. I think it's part of the problem Cate can't move on. To constantly have to look at the pictures and wondering what if has to be exhausting. Plus it has to be a little weird for Nova. Look at the picture of the girl we call your sister but doesn't live with us and has different parents.

[ginger90]

Cate is on the show because she was a teen who chose adoption. Being on the show, was mistake number one, and that mistake will go on to haunt her forever, imo.

[geekamonggeeks]

Damn, I might have to start watching this trainwreck again in order to see what's up with Brandon and Teresa. I'm guessing they're either cutting on contact (or at least physical visits) or giving C&T another warning. Considering how much contact they've already reduced and the fact they already had a meeting with C&T regarding boundaries, it's probably the first thing. It's probably not a bad idea, and it'll be the best for everybody. Catelynn and Tyler both have a difficult time seeing Carly in the flesh, and Nova's existence just complicates things further because you know C&T will try and push a sisterly bond with Carly that might make B&T uncomfortable. It's probably good for everybody involved if Carly doesn't physically see her birth parents until she gets old enough to decide for herself whether she wants that or not. 

[CofCinci]

How old is Carly now?

[geekamonggeeks]

5 minutes ago, CofCinci said:

How old is Carly now?

Carly is seven. She'll be eight in May. 

[CofCinci]

Sneak peek is up: http://www.mtv.com/video-clips/bks1zg/teen-mom-sneak-peek-visiting-issues-with-carly

Looks like Catelynn had the expectation that they'd go down to visit and she would be satisfied "even if it's just a day and brunch the next morning."  That's quite the request.  If Theresa isn't replying, that means she does not think a visit is appropriate.

Also, why the fuck is this Bethany employee conducting such a sensitive appointment at a crowded fucking coffee shop?!!

[geekamonggeeks]

How the hell does not Catelynn not know what went into that adoption agreement? She seemed confused when Dawn told her and she and Tyler were the ones who had to initiate visits. "Oh, I didn't know that." It's been seven years since that agreement was thought up and signed by all involved, including Cate. Huge red flag that she didn't know that.

I think she and Tyler are anticipating being cut off. Tyler admitted a couple seasons ago that he had spent the last few years waiting for Brandon and Teresa to close the adoption, and it was the first thing Cate went to when Teresa wasn't answering her. I think they have the good sense of mind to be freaking out over losing contact with Carly. They've both been doing such questionable things that have undoubtedly given B&T pause. Plus, they've already restricted so much contact. I'd be worried, too. 

I wouldn't be surprised if B&T send C&T a "Dear John" letter with their next update. Maybe they'll continue sending a photo of Carly, but the visits are probably done. The phone calls, the texting, it's all gotten way too personal and C&T aren't stable or emotionally mature enough to handle it still after seven years. 

[leighroda]

In my mind there is so much wrong with this scenario... in the run of the show/this relationship they have done nothing but give B&T reasons to close this adoption.

Catelynn demanding at least to know... would that be nice... sure... but they haven't exactly made that easy for B&T. Anytime B&T try to have a convo it gets posted all over social media and the rabid fans go after them, so I can see why they would maybe just ghost Cate and Tyler. Maybe if they could have a conversation that actually remains private B&T would be more willing to oblige. Plus Cate made it sound like T hasn't been answering her, but the texts shown on her phone looked answered, not the last 2... but every 2-3 blue squares (Cates texts) were followed by a grey...so T is not completely ignoring her. 

They are also assuming that if B&T have cut off contact that magically at 18 Carly will come running back to them... and Dawn is not doing anything to manage that expectation.  When they signed that contract they probably assumed that meant they could ask to see Carly annually at their own convenience. 

And now Cate saying she didn't know what she was signing at 16... again understandable... but what is that supposed to mean? What exactly would she not agree to if she had to do it over again, because I feel like B&T have been EXTREMELY saintly in this whole fiasco... I do not know many people who would have put up with this up to this point, and C&T don't learn their lesson and continually badmouth B&T on national television.

[bethster2000]

Having watched the sneek peak...oh, yeah.  They've been cut off.  And honestly, it's about time.

[GreatKazu]

On 10/16/2014 at 1:17 PM, Lexie said:

I know they didn't know they would have the financial means but it did turn out that way.   They did a lot of talking about how they wanted to go get college degrees, be young, etc.   They didn't get college degrees, their relationship looks like pure misery, and if they had kept Carly it all would have worked out.   

I think I understand what you are pointing out. In Catelynn's head, she is seeing where her life is at TODAY, and in her mind, that is the life Carly would have had. Cate thinks she and Tyler are in a great place. For people like them, they may be since they came from a broken home. These are two kids who "beat the odds" and now "own four cars and a home."  I think when C&T were chosen to be on TM, which was only two months after giving Carly to B&T, Cate was probably kicking herself in the ass. She wasn't earning then what she is earning now, but I am sure the amount she was earning for that season must have seemed like hitting the lottery.

[geekamonggeeks]

I'm of two minds: either they've been cut off, or they lost the privilege to have physical visits with Carly. Either or, I think something major happened for their agreement from 2009 to be dredged up. 

[poopchute]

Oh man, that clip.  Catelyn is just like Tyler, with unrealistic expectations and a sense of entitlement and then not comprehending or coping when things don't go her way.  It's weird that she's texting Theresa repeatedly over anything at all.  This is a woman with a job (?) and two kids so she doesn't have time to engage in all that texting with someone she really doesn't need to talk to AT ALL let alone whenever the urge strikes Catelyn. And then Catelyn expecting a phone call and then being upset when she doesn't get one.  These two are so fucking dense. I can't believe they don't have copies of their own adoption paperwork?! The other day I found a copy of my gym membership contract from 2005.  How do they not have a copy of what is probably the most important document in their lives?  So basically it sounds like Catelyn and Tyler pretty much invited themselves to wherever Brandon and Theresa live and are mad that Theresa isn't saying yes let's do brunch.  I don't know how Brandon and Theresa have put up with this shit for as long as they have.

[bethster2000]

4 hours ago, poopchute said:

I don't know how Brandon and Theresa have put up with this shit for as long as they have.

Word.  You know pretty much after Year One, their visits with Catelynn and No-Heiffer were anticipated with about as much enthusiasm as one can muster for a double root canal.  I would not choose to put myself or my child through that.  

It saddens me that C is so sure that Carly is going to search them out on her 18th birthday.  I have a very dear friend who is adopted and who became obsessed with meeting her birth mother.  When they were reunited, there was much happiness all around, and promises by everyone to keep in touch, and family family family!  My friend went back to her life only to be truly honest with herself and realize her bio mother and bio family really had no place in the life she has established for herself.  And my friend has heard from her bio mother in the ensuing ten years exactly once, and that was to ask for money.

Edited October 26, 2016 by bethster2000

[poopchute]

I really doubt she will want anything to do with them if she ever watches this show, which I'm sure she will at some point. 

Also, if I was Brandon and Theresa, I wouldn't even want to send pictures.  They took that one photo and made a huge blanket with her huge face on it.  I wouldn't want them to have access to pics so they can make whatever paraphernalia they want out of them.

[geekamonggeeks]

Seven years later, and C&T are still hanging onto that teenage fantasy that Carly will return to them as soon as she hits eighteen and assume her rightful place as their first-born child. Do they not realize that she'll probably be busy with graduating, going to college, working, and hanging out with the family and friends who matter most to her? Her life will most likely not revolve around reuniting with her birth parents and hanging out with them and their white-trash families. I don't think they comprehend that, just like Catelynn can't comprehend it when Teresa doesn't give her the answers she wants to hear. 

[neece26]

Quote

They are also assuming that if B&T have cut off contact that magically at 18 Carly will come running back to them... and Dawn is not doing anything to manage that expectation.  When they signed that contract they probably assumed that meant they could ask to see Carly annually at their own convenience. 

They have always acted like Carly was on loan to B & T until the magic age of 18, at which time they would reclaim her.    If Cate and Tyler continue to stay in the public eye as D-list reality "stars", Carly will have more than enough information to satisfy whatever curiosity she has about her birth parents and may want nothing to do with them.  

Even if you ignore the dysfunction of the Cate/Tyler relationship, I'm sure B&T never dreamed that these two would still be on television talking about Carly 8 years later.