Something Unexpected: Seasons 1 and 2 Discussion

[Lynnlynnlynn586]

30 minutes ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

But they don't even need an excuse because they said they were fine with getting pregnant.

 

I'm dying to know if he changes this tactic after he hears about the incident with Tylor's sweatshirt.  On the one hand, pregnancy is unlikely in that situation, but on the other hand...

 

I wonder when that Baby Bumps statement was filmed because in the regular show, she's working out with the goal of getting a $1,000 scholarship for cheerleading, without which she'll be unable to attend college.

Let her gofundme like the rest of the reality stars lol

[Former Nun]

15 hours ago, ghoulina said:

Jessica, especially, is looking for reasons to point a finger at Max. She wanted so badly for the car thing to be an issue; but Max was all - "It makes no sense to take two cars. We can ride with you." So then she takes the tack of, "But is this what CHLOE really wants??" Bitch, she just wants to have her baby. Shut up! 

I really don't get their outrage over him. I know there's some real time stuff he's done that is unacceptable, but I think most of that came after what we're seeing, no? So really all we're seeing is a kid who hangs around too much. But, I mean, a lot of teen dads bail. He's there. He clearly cares for their daughter. Lighten the fuck up. 

Will there be a "tell all" show where all the parents/grandparents talk things over?   I wonder if Queen Jessica thinks she's coming across as Mother Theresa.  She's in for a rude awakening!

On 10/14/2018 at 9:19 PM, ghoulina said:

Max can be a punk, but I'm so over Jessica and her manipulations. I feel she constantly ices Max out, then makes him the bad guy. Take the car thing. She sooo wanted it to be a thing where Max was trying to control Chloe. But neither of them really cared. 

And, yes, Max should not have taken a nap in the hospital. But Jessica basically cemented herself at Chloe's side the minute they got there. Max, again, feels iced out. Doesn't know what to do with himself. So he goes to sleep and she's delighted because she can now call him out. 

All of her schemes are so transparent and vile, to me.

I love that "VILE" has been used when discussing Jessica.   Poor Max.  There's no way he's going to be part of that family.  Jessica has ruled the roost for too long...no one else may enter.

[Soup333]

8 hours ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

I wonder when that Baby Bumps statement was filmed because in the regular show, she's working out with the goal of getting a $1,000 scholarship for cheerleading, without which she'll be unable to attend college.

She was still pregnant in the talking head so it must have been near the beginning. Wonder who watches the kid while they're both at practice?

6 hours ago, Former Nun said:

Will there be a "tell all" show where all the parents/grandparents talk things over?   I wonder if Queen Jessica thinks she's coming across as Mother Theresa.  She's in for a rude awakening!

I love that "VILE" has been used when discussing Jessica.   Poor Max.  There's no way he's going to be part of that family.  Jessica has ruled the roost for too long...no one else may enter.

I know that Chloe checks out twitter during the show - or at least she did during one episode. I tweeted wondering about her having her baby on her sister's birthday like Laura had and she responded to say she hadn't. So if she saw my tweet I know she saw others and folks have not been kind about her mama. Including me. It made me feel a little bad because Twitter is so raw! I'd never be brave enough to see what people were saying about me and my family.

I also saw someone had tagged Kelsey and asked about Shayden and the toothbrush incident. LOL. 

[Rembeeazy]

I'm confused what craziness took place in the delivery room that Jessica and HusbandJessica keep talking about. Contractions and the water breaking are a part of everyone's labor. They're acting as if some medical emergency was happening and he slept through it. Maybe had they stepped back a little bit and gave Max some instruction on what he could be doing to comfort Chloe he wouldn't have had the opportunity to fall asleep. I really don't understand the logic of those two. One minute Max is too involved, the next he's not involved enough. And Jessica cackling at her husband's sassy remark towards Max's crazy dream is a sound I can live without ever hearing again. 

[Pepper Mostly]

On 10/12/2018 at 12:26 PM, Soup333 said:

As far as the addiction, I wonder if these dads who are so against the pacifier will try to observe limits on their kids' screen time? Methinks no.

Hahaha, great point. I'm sure they'll be handing off their phones the minute the baby can grasp them.

On 10/12/2018 at 6:17 PM, gonecrackers said:

Laura - wow - she's grown up a lot from being impregnated hasn't she? What a kidult she is now - oh wise one please share your knowledge with your 'baby' sister. Actually she'll probably do a lot better than the mom for sure, & a dad who thinks it's "horrifying" that they have to talk about natural body functions with their kids (I think I just hurt myself eye rolling).  I wonder what Anna's friends at school will think of that ridiculous talk they had on TV. She's 15 & doesn't know why she gets a period?  I'm "horrified".

McKayla reached a new low this week & it's obvious why, what with Tim saying he's created a "monster" then continuing to enable by buying a gown for a kid who does absolutely nothing but post YT videos - doesn't know how to cook, never cleaned a toilet, doesn't have a real job, not going to school, now to be alone in an apt with soon to be 2 kids all day into the night... she's going to wake up one day & think 'what the hell have I done' & it may be too late by then. Caelen isn't much better - stupid enough to impregnate such a purposeless girl, not once but twice now. I think the huge pants are hiding the belly, given it's not been officially revealed on the show yet. She's happy to take whatever her grands will provide for her, which is basically everything, then disrespectful enough to tell him how "annoying" he is on TV; can't imagine how much of a prize she is when the cameras are off.

The gown was lovely but while she had it on I just kept thinking how sophisticated & classy it was, & therefore didn't suit the wearer at all.

Like many of you, I itched to smack that smug smirk off Laura's face. She thinks she's all that. Just wait a year or two honey. You'll be pushing your cart at Walmart, with a dirty faced toddler and probably a crabby, tired baby in tow. Any hope of hanging on to your fresh teenage face is long gone (she already looks ten years older than she is). You'll be staring daggers at young, pretty high school girls, and talking smack about them (probably in earshot). You'll have to work night shift at the Waffle House to make ends meet. Your crap boyfriend will be long gone. Good luck with that.

McKayla, holy shit. She's quite accustomed to being the queen bee. Someday poor old Grandpa Tim is going to work himself into a heart attack or a stroke. I'm pleased to bet 5 dollars American right now that Princess McKayla will be pretty scarce when that time comes. She won't be sitting by his bedside or helping her grandma clean the house or driving her to the hospital. Just a wild guess.

21 hours ago, readheaded said:

My 67 year old liberal mother has said that the pendulum has swung way too far from the way things were when she was a teenager and girls were shamed and sent away.  She often says that there should be a middle ground where if a girl gets pregnant, she shouldn't be ostracized, but at the same time, the elaborate showers. etc. ought not to be the norm.  My cousin got pregnant at 14 and requested a full nursery theme and a huge shower.  My mom was like, "I was married and self-supporting when I had you, but I couldn't afford very nice and matching things, so I didn't have them."   

I'm 64 and liberal as they come, I think your mother and I would get on very well indeed. I don't want to shame pregnant teens. But these endless parties and special attention send the wrong message, imo. Sure, have your grammy and your girlfriends and your aunties come over for cake and punch and give you some diapers and crib sheets and cute, but useless, outfits. Renting a hall? Registering? Hahahahahahaha. These girls are looking for attention and they LOVE the fuss. Having a baby is a blessed event, sure. But its also a one way ticket on the Reality Train. Its life changing, its work, and sacrifices have to be made. You want to be a grown up? Then grow the hell up. And don't expect me to let your spotty, mumbling, asshole boyfriend move in either.

Where do these girls find these treasures? I have a son and I have known many, many teenage boys. Who have largely been sweet, smart, good mannered young men who would never ever show a tenth of the attitude to the parents of their girlfriends that these prizes show. And I know they weren't choirboys. They were normal teenagers. But this crew makes them look like it.

26 minutes ago, Rembeeazy said:

I'm confused what craziness took place in the delivery room that Jessica and HusbandJessica keep talking about. Contractions and the water breaking are a part of everyone's labor. They're acting as if some medical emergency was happening and he slept through it. Maybe had they stepped back a little bit and gave Max some instruction on what he could be doing to comfort Chloe he wouldn't have had the opportunity to fall asleep. I really don't understand the logic of those two. One minute Max is too involved, the next he's not involved enough. And Jessica cackling at her husband's sassy remark towards Max's crazy dream is a sound I can live without ever hearing again. 

Labor lasts a long, long time. Why shouldn't the kid take a damn nap? I can't stand people who have to live everyone else's lives for them. He wanted to take a nap, he didn't strangle a kitten. Jesus, Jessica needs to switch to decaf.

[PityFree]

Jessica will forever punish Max for getting Chloe pregnant.  And I think it’s an almost unavoidable impulse because even I want to be mean to Max through my TV screen because he such a creepy weirdo.  I wouldn’t be mean to him in real life but I would certainly avoid him.  Jessica senses his weirdness but, unfortunately, she can’t avoid him since he’s her grandchild’s father.  It’s just too bad Chloe hooked up with a weirdo.

Edited October 16, 2018 by PityFree

[Soup333]

34 minutes ago, Rembeeazy said:

I'm confused what craziness took place in the delivery room that Jessica and HusbandJessica keep talking about. Contractions and the water breaking are a part of everyone's labor. They're acting as if some medical emergency was happening and he slept through it. Maybe had they stepped back a little bit and gave Max some instruction on what he could be doing to comfort Chloe he wouldn't have had the opportunity to fall asleep. I really don't understand the logic of those two. One minute Max is too involved, the next he's not involved enough. And Jessica cackling at her husband's sassy remark towards Max's crazy dream is a sound I can live without ever hearing again. 

 

8 minutes ago, Pepper Mostly said:

Labor lasts a long, long time. Why shouldn't the kid take a damn nap? I can't stand people who have to live everyone else's lives for them. He wanted to take a nap, he didn't strangle a kitten. Jesus, Jessica needs to switch to decaf.

From the questions Max was asking, it didn't look like he was very educated on what to expect during Chloe's labor. What Jessica and her idiot husband should have appreciated is this was his first time in the delivery room. No one really knows how it's going to go down until they've experienced it first-hand. Inducement could take a loonnnnnnggg time and it was 3 a.m. What's the issue with him getting some rest while her cervix opened? It wasn't as if she was crowing. Jeez. And wasn't she offered an epidural but turned it down? She might have taken a nap herself if she'd been more comfortable and her mother shut her ass up.

Jessica plopped herself on that bed and it's clear she wasn't moving until they had to pull the stirrups out. If Max had sat on the other side, I bet her and the husband would have made fun of him for sitting right in the nurse's way. There's no way for Max to win no matter what he does.

[tobeannounced]

10 minutes ago, Soup333 said:

Jessica plopped herself on that bed and it's clear she wasn't moving until they had to pull the stirrups out. If Max had sat on the other side, I bet her and the husband would have made fun of him for sitting right in the nurse's way. There's no way for Max to win no matter what he does.

Totally agree with this. If Max had tried to be a part of comforting Chloe, he would have caught hell for trying to take over or not doing it the way Jessica wanted.

Re Mckayla, why has no one told her, "Girl, you can get married whenever you want. There's the courthouse."

Edited October 16, 2018 by tobeannounced

[Pepper Mostly]

McKayla, sitting in a chair and blandly expecting her grandparents to fork over $30,000 for her wedding, and expressing surprise that maybe they wouldn't unquestioningly give her whatever she wanted, was, um, really something. That level of self centered takes effort.

[Soup333]

13 minutes ago, Pepper Mostly said:

McKayla, sitting in a chair and blandly expecting her grandparents to fork over $30,000 for her wedding, and expressing surprise that maybe they wouldn't unquestioningly give her whatever she wanted, was, um, really something. That level of self centered takes effort.

I had to look this up because 30k for a wedding in Salem sounds way extravagant. I didn't realize there were calculators for this kind of thing but is says the average cost of a wedding for that zip code is $17,963. Auntie was throwing out figures to try and dissuade McKayla or make her realize how expensive these things are but McKayla doesn't care about all that. She just points and whines and her grandparents make it happen. They should absolutely get hitched at the courthouse after this second baby - if their relationship survives that long. They could throw a nice party afterwards and save a lot of money.

ETA: Save the grandparents and Shelly a lot of money.

Edited October 16, 2018 by Soup333

[PityFree]

17 minutes ago, Pepper Mostly said:

McKayla, sitting in a chair and blandly expecting her grandparents to fork over $30,000 for her wedding, and expressing surprise that maybe they wouldn't unquestioningly give her whatever she wanted, was, um, really something. That level of self centered takes effort.

Does Caelan even earn 30k per year?  How does she not understand how ridiculous that price tag is?  I guess this is where her grandparents realize that never saying no to her is coming back to bite them.

Edited October 16, 2018 by PityFree
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[IvySpice]

1 hour ago, tobeannounced said:

Re Mckayla, why has no one told her, "Girl, you can get married whenever you want. There's the courthouse."

Can I get an AMEN?? Why should other people pay for your bad decisions? They want to protect you from them. But there's only so much I can be mad on Tim's behalf if he won't close his wallet.

[gonecrackers]

The aunt was trying to scare them with last minute fees as booking things in shorter range will cost them more. (I don't know about figures, that's just what she was doing).

The wedding issue is really a no brainer, IF the grands had some balls. We have $x amount of money to *help* you with this wedding, hence we can afford the backyard, dress it up nicely, gown, some decent food & a cake (ice cream cake in the freezer moron it's Aug). If they wanted more than the grands could afford they have to work for it themselves.

So if princess can't afford her 'dream' wedding she can take more time to actually work for it, or send Caelen out to get a 3rd job just to make her happy. By that time they'll probably be broken up for good & McKayla will have moved back home to the grands with her 2 kids & probable 3rd pregnancy well under way.

Edited October 16, 2018 by gonecrackers

[Mrs. Hanson]

14 minutes ago, Pepper Mostly said:

McKayla, sitting in a chair and blandly expecting her grandparents to fork over $30,000 for her wedding, and expressing surprise that maybe they wouldn't unquestioningly give her whatever she wanted, was, um, really something. That level of self centered takes effort.

See, and this is where Grandpa Tim and Grandma I Forget Her Name need to NOT rip Shannon a new one.  You guys did all the raising of her?  Well here you go.  To even suggest ANYTHING over a simple courthouse wedding followed by a dinner or lunch at a restaurant would be laughable in my book.  Well you raised an entitled brat and here and here ya go!!!

She also bugged me when she was like, "Timmy needs to take a nap!!  He is acting psycho! "  Grandpa Tim:  "It it 6:30, why would he go to bed?"  McCayla:  "Well he didn't take a nap earlier!"  Girl whose fault is that?  

[Pepper Mostly]

McKayla wants a wedding, not be married. If she wanted to be married, she and Caelen would go to the courthouse. But of course we all knew that. The whole thing is an attention grab. First they get knocked up and have showers and gender reveal parties and gift registries, then they're at the hospital, the center of attention, then they out and about with a cute baby and everyone coos and makes a fuss. This ends. Eventually she's a frowzy young woman in yesterday's clothes, with a couple of grubby, yelling toddlers and everyone at Target is judging her. The pretty young mother with a cute baby thing does not last forever. McKayla wants a big wedding to hang on to the spotlight. There'll be a wedding shower, engagement party, rehearsal dinner, bachelorette night......Someday she may learn that the sun doesn't rise and set out of her ass.

[Scarlett45]

1 hour ago, tobeannounced said:

Totally agree with this. If Max had tried to be a part of comforting Chloe, he would have caught hell for trying to take over or not doing it the way Jessica wanted.

Re Mckayla, why has no one told her, "Girl, you can get married whenever you want. There's the courthouse."

I know! (Regarding both points)

Re McKayla- it’s one thing for two working professionals (without children or other dependents) to want to spend $30k on a wedding, if they have the money, but why is it that this girl, barely out of high school (with a BABY) feels she’s entitled to a lavish wedding?!!! What’s wrong with buying a nice dress at David’s Bridal, getting her hair/makeup done, having a friend take photos and then a lunch/dinner with close friends and family? $2k and you’re done. 

I am only 33, but I’m with my elders on this- it’s asinine to wait until you have money to get married when you already have a baby which is way more expensive than any wedding. 

[Soup333]

45 minutes ago, Pepper Mostly said:

McKayla wants a wedding, not be married. If she wanted to be married, she and Caelen would go to the courthouse. But of course we all knew that. The whole thing is an attention grab. First they get knocked up and have showers and gender reveal parties and gift registries, then they're at the hospital, the center of attention, then they out and about with a cute baby and everyone coos and makes a fuss. This ends. Eventually she's a frowzy young woman in yesterday's clothes, with a couple of grubby, yelling toddlers and everyone at Target is judging her. The pretty young mother with a cute baby thing does not last forever. McKayla wants a big wedding to hang on to the spotlight. There'll be a wedding shower, engagement party, rehearsal dinner, bachelorette night......Someday she may learn that the sun doesn't rise and set out of her ass.

Nothing to add but Amen. *clapping emojis*

[Mrs. Hanson]

48 minutes ago, Pepper Mostly said:

McKayla wants a wedding, not be married. If she wanted to be married, she and Caelen would go to the courthouse. But of course we all knew that. The whole thing is an attention grab. First they get knocked up and have showers and gender reveal parties and gift registries, then they're at the hospital, the center of attention, then they out and about with a cute baby and everyone coos and makes a fuss. This ends. Eventually she's a frowzy young woman in yesterday's clothes, with a couple of grubby, yelling toddlers and everyone at Target is judging her. The pretty young mother with a cute baby thing does not last forever. McKayla wants a big wedding to hang on to the spotlight. There'll be a wedding shower, engagement party, rehearsal dinner, bachelorette night......Someday she may learn that the sun doesn't rise and set out of her ass.

Yep - I had two close together (wouldn't change a thing!) and yes, eventually those cuties become vocal toddlers with personalities of their own!!  Goof luck with that, McBabyMaker.

[ghoulina]

58 minutes ago, Pepper Mostly said:

McKayla wants a wedding, not be married.

This is the crux of it. Young people these days (damn, I sound old) are all about a production. Promposals, elaborate marriage proposals, then the gender reveal parties. It's all so....extra. She wants the big, fancy wedding. She wants to be the envy of her peers. She could care less about who's standing next to her. 

[Mrs. Hanson]

5 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

This is the crux of it. Young people these days (damn, I sound old) are all about a production. Promposals, elaborate marriage proposals, then the gender reveal parties. It's all so....extra. She wants the big, fancy wedding. She wants to be the envy of her peers. She could care less about who's standing next to her. 

Come sit with me - I am 53, got remarried a year ago and the during the planning process I was like, "Really?"  Back in 1994 when I wed the first time it was a 30 minute ceremont follwed by dinner, drinks and dancing at the VFW.  Now?  holy moly - you gotta have SO! MANY! FACETS!  plus a theme!  plus a this and a that or you are just not Pinterest - worthy!!!  You need to propose to you bridesmaids, too.  Ugh - McBabyMaker is in for a rude reality.  

[Soup333]

And after all the glitz and glam the monotony sets in. Caelan off for work every morning, babies needing to be fed and diapered and entertained. Sometimes they’ll get sick, they’ll fight with each other and whine and be cranky and refuse to nap. Her friends will move on with their lives. She’ll be stuck at home trying to juggle the babies and edit YouTube videos. And laundry. And dinner and bedtime. God forbid Caelan has a bad day at work. Arguments blossom from thin air. Tomorrow we do it all again. 

Of course there’s love and fun and watching your kids grow up is lovely but it’s WORK. Work we’ve never seen McKayla willing to put the effort in for. If she didn’t even want to stick her hand in a toilet, God help her. 

[b2H]

1 hour ago, Pepper Mostly said:

McKayla wants a wedding, not be married. If she wanted to be married, she and Caelen would go to the courthouse. But of course we all knew that. The whole thing is an attention grab. First they get knocked up and have showers and gender reveal parties and gift registries, then they're at the hospital, the center of attention, then they out and about with a cute baby and everyone coos and makes a fuss. This ends. Eventually she's a frowzy young woman in yesterday's clothes, with a couple of grubby, yelling toddlers and everyone at Target is judging her. The pretty young mother with a cute baby thing does not last forever. McKayla wants a big wedding to hang on to the spotlight. There'll be a wedding shower, engagement party, rehearsal dinner, bachelorette night......Someday she may learn that the sun doesn't rise and set out of her ass.

And that's where my mind is with all of this - she's had the attention of a pregnant teen, she's had the attention of being a new mom.  She's addicted to the attention, so the wedding is the next big thing, followed by the second pregnancy, which will generate some, but less, attention.  The letdown will be pretty big, as she ultimately comes to realize that it comes to an end.

[Former Nun]

2 hours ago, Soup333 said:

I didn't realize there were calculators for this kind of thing but is says the average cost of a wedding for that zip code is $17,963. Auntie was throwing out figures to try and dissuade McKayla or make her realize how expensive these things are but McKayla doesn't care about all that.

McKayla probably doesn't know how much $30,000 is!  She doesn't know how much her grandfather makes (and wanted to retire).  She might know how much Caelen makes per hour but can't multiply to know how much the paycheck will be.  Does she know about DEDUCTIONS?  Her ignorance and princess requirements are mostly the fault of her grandparents, but surely she picks up a bit of information here and there from school, friends, etc.  Is she THAT self-absorbed?

[Mrs. Hanson]

50 minutes ago, Soup333 said:

And after all the glitz and glam the monotony sets in. Caelan off for work every morning, babies needing to be fed and diapered and entertained. Sometimes they’ll get sick, they’ll fight with each other and whine and be cranky and refuse to nap. Her friends will move on with their lives. She’ll be stuck at home trying to juggle the babies and edit YouTube videos. And laundry. And dinner and bedtime. God forbid Caelan has a bad day at work. Arguments blossom from thin air. Tomorrow we do it all again. 

Of course there’s love and fun and watching your kids grow up is lovely but it’s WORK. Work we’ve never seen McKayla willing to put the effort in for. If she didn’t even want to stick her hand in a toilet, God help her. 

Amen!  And I want to say, without going too off topic:  I loved those years.  I really did, I had chill, mellow tempered babies and toddlers, a helpful partner plus (and this is the biggie) I was 32 and 34 when they were born, NOT 16 and 18.  I was a SAHM (worked pt in the evenings) so I was in the trenches but I loved it.  

McKayla - I don't see her as being so enamored of laundry and domestic chores.  Me thinks she will learn hard and fast that one baby is NOT equal to a toddler and a baby.  Toddlers. Do. Not. Slow. Down. EVER!

Edited October 16, 2018 by Mrs. Hanson

[Pepper Mostly]

Exactly. I'm not one of those nay sayers who's always raining on people's parades ("wait till he's TWO!" "wait till he's a teenager and hates you". I could never understand people who said these things, and I can say honestly I loved every age. My son was a blast and super fun and great to be around. He had some toddler behaviors but he was not a monster. As a teen he was chill and funny and never hated me or his dad. Kids are fun. BUT, I was 39 when I had my son. I was not a spoiled high school girl who wanted to go out and "be a normal teenager". I didn't have to watch all my friends go do fun stuff, go to college, have experiences outside the home town. I understood the reality and didn't mind it at all. By the time I became a mother I was more of a homebody, didn't mind housework, didn't care at all if I didn't leave the house for two days. (that is my idea of perfection now!). I had a good job and was able to take 6 months maternity leave. When I see these girls bleating about going to prom or wanting to go out with their friends or wanting to do cheer, I feel sad for them. They still don't realize that that ship has sailed. They've made other choices. And now they have to live with them. I don't think its necessarily helpful for people to scold them endlessly about how HARD and EXPENSIVE and GRUELING it is to have kids. But someone should talk with them seriously about pros, cons, choices, and priorities. Emily was talking about going to college and doing cheer and I was thinking "she wants the college experience her friends will have. And she is not going to get it. She won't live in the dorms and go to parties. She'll have to commute to class and rush home to pick up her baby". She doesn't seem ambitious and focused. If she does make it to college she won't last a year. They never seem to see the bigger picture. McKayla wants a big splashy wedding. Maybe if she'd bought a box of condoms she could have one.

[Soup333]

30 minutes ago, Former Nun said:

McKayla probably doesn't know how much $30,000 is!  She doesn't know how much her grandfather makes (and wanted to retire).  She might know how much Caelen makes per hour but can't multiply to know how much the paycheck will be.  Does she know about DEDUCTIONS?  Her ignorance and princess requirements are mostly the fault of her grandparents, but surely she picks up a bit of information here and there from school, friends, etc.  Is she THAT self-absorbed?

Good point. Even if she knows how to do the math she doesn't know how much work it takes to get there. Sitting on your butt and cranking out a "what's in my baby bag" video is not the same as working a full-time job. 

I enjoyed my kids too. I was lucky enough to work close to their school and had a manager who let me run off to see them if they had something going on in the middle of the day. If I could go back in time I'd tell myself to stop and enjoy it a little more. Being a single mother was a hard road but that time goes by so fast. One of the reasons I watch this crap show is because my youngest will sit back and watch while she's getting ready for her workweek. She's 19 next month but she fell into a really good job and I know one day soon she's gonna save up enough money and get her own place so I'm relishing our time together even if it means I have to watch Unexpected every week. lol

[gunderda]

On 10/14/2018 at 10:19 PM, ghoulina said:

Anyone else see a resemblance between Lily and Shayden? Both thin and blonde with bad skin. 

ummmm yes, they are nearly identical and that's weird and kinda creepy. 

On 10/15/2018 at 12:12 PM, StatisticalOutlier said:

I think they're living in some shitty place of their own.  Definitely doesn't look like where Family Diego does their THs on the couch in front of the staircase.  I assumed it was Emiley's mother's house, but since it's not, it has to be their own.  Interesting that there's no big plot point about their living on their own.

After their baby was born, we saw Emily is a super small house that looked like the bed was in the living room and she said it was the first time Diego was staying over (I think?) - was that the same place as we saw them on the bed when Diego's mom tossed the condoms at them??

3 hours ago, Soup333 said:

I had to look this up because 30k for a wedding in Salem sounds way extravagant. I didn't realize there were calculators for this kind of thing but is says the average cost of a wedding for that zip code is $17,963. Auntie was throwing out figures to try and dissuade McKayla or make her realize how expensive these things are but McKayla doesn't care about all that. She just points and whines and her grandparents make it happen. They should absolutely get hitched at the courthouse after this second baby - if their relationship survives that long. They could throw a nice party afterwards and save a lot of money.

ETA: Save the grandparents and Shelly a lot of money.

She was trying to scare them away with late fees and last minute expenses that would add up if they didn't want to wait a year. And she probably inflated it a bit for good measure.

[teapot]

1 hour ago, Pepper Mostly said:

 I was 39 when I had my son. I was not a spoiled high school girl who wanted to go out and "be a normal teenager". I didn't have to watch all my friends go do fun stuff, go to college, have experiences outside the home town. I understood the reality and didn't mind it at all. 

I got married at 21 & had my son at 22.  I did get twinges every once in awhile;  my girlfriends were running around  'til all hours with no commitments and I'd get a bit envious that I had no money & adult responsibilities  (oh, but how I loved that little boy-child!  no regrets!)

BUT he's 27 now, I'm a couple weeks shy of 50, and in the past few years I've been to Paris and London and Las Vegas, I'm seeing the Goo Goo Dolls & Nine Inch Nails next week, and my son lives in NYC & we spend weekends there all the time.  Luckily my mister & I still like eachother!  For me, I definitely made the right decision.

22 is definitely older  and more mature than 16, of course, but it's young for this day & age

[Mrs. Hanson]

1 hour ago, Pepper Mostly said:

Exactly. I'm not one of those nay sayers who's always raining on people's parades ("wait till he's TWO!" "wait till he's a teenager and hates you". I could never understand people who said these things, and I can say honestly I loved every age. My son was a blast and super fun and great to be around. He had some toddler behaviors but he was not a monster. As a teen he was chill and funny and never hated me or his dad. Kids are fun. BUT, I was 39 when I had my son. I was not a spoiled high school girl who wanted to go out and "be a normal teenager". I didn't have to watch all my friends go do fun stuff, go to college, have experiences outside the home town. I understood the reality and didn't mind it at all. By the time I became a mother I was more of a homebody, didn't mind housework, didn't care at all if I didn't leave the house for two days. (that is my idea of perfection now!). I had a good job and was able to take 6 months maternity leave. When I see these girls bleating about going to prom or wanting to go out with their friends or wanting to do cheer, I feel sad for them. They still don't realize that that ship has sailed. They've made other choices. And now they have to live with them. I don't think its necessarily helpful for people to scold them endlessly about how HARD and EXPENSIVE and GRUELING it is to have kids. But someone should talk with them seriously about pros, cons, choices, and priorities. Emily was talking about going to college and doing cheer and I was thinking "she wants the college experience her friends will have. And she is not going to get it. She won't live in the dorms and go to parties. She'll have to commute to class and rush home to pick up her baby". She doesn't seem ambitious and focused. If she does make it to college she won't last a year. They never seem to see the bigger picture. McKayla wants a big splashy wedding. Maybe if she'd bought a box of condoms she could have one.

APPLAUSE!!!

bolding mine:  I loved every age, too.  Mine are now 19 and 21 and never hated me, lol.  (I think!)  

[Ijustwantsomechips]

1 hour ago, gunderda said:

I think they're living in some shitty place of their own.  Definitely doesn't look like where Family Diego does their THs on the couch in front of the staircase.  I assumed it was Emiley's mother's house, but since it's not, it has to be their own.  Interesting that there's no big plot point about their living on their own.

It looked like the same horrendous peel-n-stick floor tile from Emilee’s house. I seriously hope that shit isn’t in two houses.  When she brought the baby home it looked like she was sleeping in the dining area. Maybe her mom set up a bed in there for Diego because she didn’t want him in Emilee’s room.  

I couldn’t tell where Krista was coming from. She walked in casually like it was her house, but again with the ugly floor.  And Emilee made it sound like she was still at home by saying her mom hasn’t been around much.  No way would Bridget let her  move out.  And why would Krista make a big deal about keeping the baby for prom if they lived with them. 

[Pepper Mostly]

1 hour ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

 I loved every age, too.  Mine are now 19 and 21 and never hated me, lol.  (I think!)  

My son is 24, and he's still a chill and funny and fun to be around. All his friends love me and call me Mama Mostly. 

@teapot, I cosign every word of your post. You made an informed decision and it was the right one for you, probably because you were not a spoiled teenage princess or an ignorant know it all or a desperate damsel who wanted to hold on to her boyfriend and play house, but an intelligent young woman who could see the bigger picture.  

[PityFree]

5 hours ago, Pepper Mostly said:

McKayla wants a wedding, not be married. If she wanted to be married, she and Caelen would go to the courthouse. But of course we all knew that. The whole thing is an attention grab. First they get knocked up and have showers and gender reveal parties and gift registries, then they're at the hospital, the center of attention, then they out and about with a cute baby and everyone coos and makes a fuss. This ends. Eventually she's a frowzy young woman in yesterday's clothes, with a couple of grubby, yelling toddlers and everyone at Target is judging her. The pretty young mother with a cute baby thing does not last forever. McKayla wants a big wedding to hang on to the spotlight. There'll be a wedding shower, engagement party, rehearsal dinner, bachelorette night......Someday she may learn that the sun doesn't rise and set out of her ass.

 You painted the almost perfect picture of Michaela‘s future life! My only suggestion is that she won’t be able to afford to shop at target; it’s going to be Walmart people judging her.

[Former Nun]

5 hours ago, PityFree said:

My only suggestion is that she won’t be able to afford to shop at target; it’s going to be Walmart people judging her.

Sadly, I think someone will have to make a list of the days various thrift stores have half-off sales.  She'll probably need to be driven and then helped at the check-out counter to be sure her change is correct.

[Mrs. Hanson]

8 hours ago, Former Nun said:

Sadly, I think someone will have to make a list of the days various thrift stores have half-off sales.  She'll probably need to be driven and then helped at the check-out counter to be sure her change is correct.

I am a thrift store junkie and when those half off sales happen, especially before school starts, they are super crowded as people RELY on them for inexpensive clothes for back to school.  McBabyMaker should take note!!!  That will be her, and really, with two little ones so close together, and the rate that kids grow it really SHOULD be her!!!  Same with thrift store toys.

[Soup333]

2 hours ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

I am a thrift store junkie and when those half off sales happen, especially before school starts, they are super crowded as people RELY on them for inexpensive clothes for back to school.  McBabyMaker should take note!!!  That will be her, and really, with two little ones so close together, and the rate that kids grow it really SHOULD be her!!!  Same with thrift store toys.

She could probably get a lot of mileage out of it for her YouTube channel. Target/Walmart/thrift store haul videos. I was never so shocked to learn that there’s an entire genre of “what I do all day as a teen mom” YouTube videos. If McKayla intends to keep her following after she leaves the show *roll eyes* she’d start doing the kinds of videos her fans want to see. 

[IgnoranceisBLISS]

On 10/14/2018 at 10:19 PM, ghoulina said:

Anyone else see a resemblance between Lily and Shayden? Both thin and blonde with bad skin.

Yes!!!! I was trying to concentrate on what they were saying but was too distracted with trying to find out if they were secret twins. LOL

[Pepper Mostly]

Amidst it all, I'd almost forgotten Shaeden's assertion that little Scarlett "looks just like me". hahahahahahahaha. She looks exactly like Lexus and Kelsey.

[ButterQueen]

On 10/9/2018 at 6:08 PM, lovesnark said:

I also don't understand why the parents allow the boyfriends to move into their home after the baby is born. Especially Laura's uber religious parents. Surely, they're not allowing them to share a room? I'd tell them he can help with the baby after school, but he goes home at 10:00. The baby's mom would be on her own for the middle of the night feedings and diaper changes because that's what it's like to be a new mom!

When Laura's family were all sitting in the living room and her sister, Anna?, was complaining about the noise keeping her from being able to take a nap, I think one of the parents said she'd had a bad day at work. So, this 15 year old kid has an after school job and her sister and her boyfriend can't take the baby downstairs for an hour so she could take a nap? I feel really bad for her.

You are nicer than I am.  No way would I allow my daughter’s boyfriend, baby or not, to be at my house every.single.day, much less feed him dinner and have him stay until 10.  He could visit before or after dinner for a few hours, more on the weekends, and they could hang out at his house if they had to have dinner together every day.  These kids are still in school and I think letting them play house is wrong.

Jessica is a pain, but I would smack Max into next week if he lectured me in my home, especially while eating a dinner I prepared and paid for.  My god he is annoying af; not to mention his perpetual “duh” face.

So, Jessica had 2 kids before 19?  Where is Chloe’s sibling?

Seeing Emily’s pre-pregnancy cheerleading picture was a shock to me.  She was actually very pretty, while Diego looked like his current doofus self.  His mom is disgusting.

I hope Laura’s Mom awakes from her coma before this season ends...she has zero personality.  I also hope Anna smacks the smirk off Laura’s face.  Mark my words, this whole situation will ruin Anna’s relationship with her parents in the future.

I actually like Caelin and his mom...minus her facial mole.  

Lexus and her mom give eyeliner a whole new meaning.  Was Lily (short hair) a girl?

[Bridget]

Remember last season when we were all subjected to Shayden and “his package”? In fact, it was someone and her daughter who pointed it out. Apologies for blanking on who it was. He always sat with his legs spread out in those gray sweatpants that made us all reach for the eye bleach!

Has anyone else noticed this season that there are now some tchotchkes on the coffee table in front of “his package” during his THs?

The angle is still low for his THs, when compared to the other THs, which I do find odd, but I guess someone at TLC read these boards! 

Hey TLC, keep reading this board. So many great ideas from brilliant people who can (and will!) suggest how to map out your show. 

Edited October 17, 2018 by Bridget
Punctuation marks are always important!

[ghoulina]

48 minutes ago, ButterQueen said:

I actually like Caelin and his mom...minus her facial mole.  

I like them as well. Shelly seems to be one of those who was a teen mom herself and managed to raise a decent kid. Caelen works. And he hasn't been shown to be too terrible; just a typical, bratty teenager at time. She's cool, but not TOO "I'm your friend". 

[readheaded]

9 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

I like them as well. Shelly seems to be one of those who was a teen mom herself and managed to raise a decent kid. Caelen works. And he hasn't been shown to be too terrible; just a typical, bratty teenager at time. She's cool, but not TOO "I'm your friend". 

Seriously, she seems like the only parent on the show with any sense and/or who isn't a biotch.

Edited October 17, 2018 by readheaded

[Ijustwantsomechips]

1 hour ago, Bridget said:

Has anyone else noticed this season that there are now some tchotchkes on the coffee table in front of “his package” during his THs?

Yep, it’s too strategically placed to be a coincidence. 

[PityFree]

 Finally getting around to watching the new episode. I cannot stand the way Laura talks without opening her mouth.

[Former Nun]

8 hours ago, ButterQueen said:

 My god he is annoying af; not to mention his perpetual “duh” face.

I think Max has some measurable mental deficiencies...measurable.  I feel sorry for him, but sorrier for the baby.  He (she?) may not measure up to Jessica's standards.

On 10/16/2018 at 9:55 AM, Pepper Mostly said:

Labor lasts a long, long time. Why shouldn't the kid take a damn nap? I can't stand people who have to live everyone else's lives for them. He wanted to take a nap, he didn't strangle a kitten. Jesus, Jessica needs to switch to decaf.

And NOT be on television.  She is living her dream!

[Witchz]

So Chloe has gone on YouTube to express her anger over everyone misreading her mother. My take away from this is 1) She is very full of herself (obviously not effected by any negative comments about appearances) 2) She is not with Max anymore 3) She should let her mother defend herself and just worry about getting an education and taking care of her baby 4) She will be just like her mother in 15 years just amplified by stupidity by 10. 

Spoiler

 

[gonecrackers]

I think Chloe is missing that her mom was seen playing off Chloe & Max to the point of Chloe being in tears... but whatever, it's her problem.

But again the real issue here is people fail to realize the fall out of putting your life in the hands of Reality TV producers - cash the checks then bitch about people's reactions. We'll see if they make it onto another season; if so she'll really have to shut up & suck it up.

And what is up with people walking by her car while she's making a video? Don't they know better than to go about their lives disrupting her public bitch fest?  Geesh.  (the eye roll I had actually hurt a bit)

Edited October 18, 2018 by gonecrackers

[Pepper Mostly]

Oh my god I could feel my brain cells dying as I watched that video. Here's an idea, Chloe--if you're going to make a video, maybe write down the points you want to make. Maybe don't film in a parking lot at the mall. And find a way to wrap it up so you don't look like a blithering idiot.

[ghoulina]

"She has gaven....." 

 

Stop, Chloe. Stop. 

 

This video just proves that Jessica's gaslighting has been super effective. Max may have turned out to have some super sketchy problems. But that has no bearing on how Jessica treated her daughter. 

[Former Nun]

I don't speak about Chloe's mother to anyone.  The things that annoy me about her have nothing to do with Max* (I hope Chloe reads this forum).  Obviously Jessica is someone who must be IN CHARGE all the time.  She's lucky she found a husband who bows to her will.  We know she's perfect at everything because she tells us so.  She "always" takes care of family parties and events because she's so good at it...the Word According to Jessica.   TLC could have a 2-hour show of Jessica's clips--bragging to the camera about Everything Jessica.  Take Max out of the equation.  Take Chloe and the baby out too.  Jessica is still extremely off-putting.  Chloe knows all this and her little video "RANT: Leave my mom alone," must have been filmed in a sympathetic moment.  Since Max is gone now, may we all assume everything is perfect?

 

*Max is a perfect case of a kid who had all the bad breaks from time his parents got involved.  He's so needy...and wants "a real family" so badly, that he's going to travel down many bad roads.

[winsomeone]

McKayla is pretty, but she looks just like her mother..add 30-40 pounds, and she will be her twin in another 5-10 years from now. Has much of the same personality too.