Salacious Kitty December 16, 2022 Share December 16, 2022 (edited) And note how the cars are all parked in front of Anna's bunker. What a dump. Edited December 16, 2022 by Salacious Kitty 8 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-7793893
GeeGolly January 30, 2023 Share January 30, 2023 Jana and some brothers just did a weekend RV trip. JB, M and the youngest of the Duggars went too, but I'm not sure if they drove or flew. A while back JB took his family on a no-one-is-going-to-subpoena-me trip, some time ago a few older sisters with Ben and Austin flew to see Jinger and a month or two ago Joy and Austin flew to Alaska. It seems to me, the Duggars have slowed down on their jet setting ways since the implosion of their show. I wonder how many of them are actually having to watch their spending now. 7 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-7850005
sagittarius sue January 31, 2023 Share January 31, 2023 1 hour ago, GeeGolly said: Jana and some brothers just did a weekend RV trip. JB, M and the youngest of the Duggars went too, but I'm not sure if they drove or flew. A while back JB took his family on a no-one-is-going-to-subpoena-me trip, some time ago a few older sisters with Ben and Austin flew to see Jinger and a month or two ago Joy and Austin flew to Alaska. It seems to me, the Duggars have slowed down on their jet setting ways since the implosion of their show. I wonder how many of them are actually having to watch their spending now. I bet Joy and Austin are after their foolish purchase of a flood zone and end of their RV park dream. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-7850110
SMama January 31, 2023 Share January 31, 2023 2 hours ago, GeeGolly said: Jana and some brothers just did a weekend RV trip. JB, M and the youngest of the Duggars went too, but I'm not sure if they drove or flew. A while back JB took his family on a no-one-is-going-to-subpoena-me trip, some time ago a few older sisters with Ben and Austin flew to see Jinger and a month or two ago Joy and Austin flew to Alaska. It seems to me, the Duggars have slowed down on their jet setting ways since the implosion of their show. I wonder how many of them are actually having to watch their spending now. Are you referring to the road trip for two weddings in Jed’s and Katie’s RV? I was amused because halfway through the video Jana seemed to appear out of nowhere. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-7850173
MaryAnneSpier May 8, 2023 Share May 8, 2023 I was on Joy and Austin's page and saw a video about their oldest kid losing a tooth and it made me wonder: Do the Duggars allow Santa and the Tooth Fairy to be part of the kids' experience? The fundie-adjacents I know don't tell their kids about Santa and the Tooth Fairy, likely because if the kids believe in that and grow up to realize they aren't real, it will affect their belief in God's existence. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-7992352
GeeGolly May 8, 2023 Share May 8, 2023 JB&M told their kids Santa wasn't real, didn't allow any TV or books depicting fairytales or fantasy, so I'm going to guess a big no on the tooth fairy. Derick has stated they don't do Santa and I believe Jessa mentioned it as well. Oh yea, and the FF stated they don't do Santa. I don't know about what the rest do. 1 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-7992440
the-grey-lady May 8, 2023 Share May 8, 2023 2 hours ago, GeeGolly said: JB&M told their kids Santa wasn't real, didn't allow any TV or books depicting fairytales or fantasy, so I'm going to guess a big no on the tooth fairy. Imagine being so categorically opposed to anything fun. 3 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-7992620
Salacious Kitty May 8, 2023 Share May 8, 2023 2 hours ago, GeeGolly said: JB&M told their kids Santa wasn't real, didn't allow any TV or books depicting fairytales or fantasy, so I'm going to guess a big no on the tooth fairy. Derick has stated they don't do Santa and I believe Jessa mentioned it as well. Oh yea, and the FF stated they don't do Santa. I don't know about what the rest do. Yet the bible is front and center. 7 6 3 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-7992625
graybrown bird May 8, 2023 Share May 8, 2023 Fundies distrust the human imagination and its capacity to invent and tell stories that help us understand the complexities of life. 5 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-7992959
Future Cat Lady May 8, 2023 Share May 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, graybrown bird said: Fundies distrust the human imagination and its capacity to invent and tell stories that help us understand the complexities of life. That sounds an awful lot like religion. To atheist me, I think that humans invented God to explain the unexplained. I think that one of the reasons they don't want their kids to believe in Santa or the Tooth fairy is because the kids might question if God is real. Once they found out Santa is not real, they could question other beliefs. Anyway that's just my uneducated theory. 17 2 1 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-7992967
GeeGolly August 14, 2023 Share August 14, 2023 I tapped on an article that sent me down a rabbit hole. The topic was least trusted professions. And guess what? The Duggars pretty much hit every one. Included were: Car salesmen - Jed+ Lawyers - Derick Clergy - Jeremy, Ben Builders - Jason, Austin+ Real estate - Joe+ Politicians - JB, Jed Obviously there is the good, bad and ugly in every profession, but I thought it was interesting, and maybe telling, that all the Duggar and Duggar adjacent men are in jobs that seem to have more wiggle room to deceive others. 3 1 14 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8107497
Zella August 14, 2023 Share August 14, 2023 13 hours ago, GeeGolly said: I tapped on an article that sent me down a rabbit hole. The topic was least trusted professions. And guess what? The Duggars pretty much hit every one. Included were: Car salesmen - Jed+ Lawyers - Derick Clergy - Jeremy, Ben Builders - Jason, Austin+ Real estate - Joe+ Politicians - JB, Jed Obviously there is the good, bad and ugly in every profession, but I thought it was interesting, and maybe telling, that all the Duggar and Duggar adjacent men are in jobs that seem to have more wiggle room to deceive others. 11 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8108145
LilJen August 16, 2023 Share August 16, 2023 On 8/14/2023 at 6:28 AM, GeeGolly said: I tapped on an article that sent me down a rabbit hole. The topic was least trusted professions. And guess what? The Duggars pretty much hit every one. Included were: Car salesmen - Jed+ Lawyers - Derick Clergy - Jeremy, Ben Builders - Jason, Austin+ Real estate - Joe+ Politicians - JB, Jed Obviously there is the good, bad and ugly in every profession, but I thought it was interesting, and maybe telling, that all the Duggar and Duggar adjacent men are in jobs that seem to have more wiggle room to deceive others. Don’t forget our favorite felon. Cars, wanted to be a lawyer, and now Anna believes he’s a de facto clergyman saving souls in prison! 13 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8109539
AstridM August 16, 2023 Share August 16, 2023 10 hours ago, LilJen said: Don’t forget our favorite felon. Cars, wanted to be a lawyer, and now Anna believes he’s a de facto clergyman saving souls in prison! He hit the fundie triumvirate! 17 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8109970
GeeGolly October 4, 2023 Share October 4, 2023 Sorry, I couldn't help myself. 😁 15 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8164486
sagittarius sue October 9, 2023 Share October 9, 2023 Tonight's "Last Week Tonight with John Oliver" goes after homeschooling and the HSLDA. If you don't have HBO the video will probably be on the show's Youtube channel tomorrow. 3 3 1 4 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8169815
TrixieTrue October 9, 2023 Share October 9, 2023 On 8/28/2022 at 8:36 PM, crazy8s said: 15 kids and counting - Jackson is the youngest child. Duggars prepare for christmas. correction on what I said in the previous post. Jana shows her secret sewing. Outfits for her sister. Not bloomers though. Prairie dress, apron, petticoat and prairie bonnet. about the 2 min mark is Jana. I was catching up on this thread and just watched this. Interesting to see, now that we know the food shopping trips were likely paid by the show and not JB & M. I'm assuming the bikes were also paid for by the show. Maybe the Walmart trip, too? Did they say at some point, after they built the TTH that they didn't have a Christmas tree with of Jesus? This shows clearly that they did that tradition when the kids were young. 6 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8169978
Salacious Kitty October 9, 2023 Share October 9, 2023 They didn't have a tree for several years, but went back to having one maybe 7-10 years ago. 2 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8170219
GeeGolly October 9, 2023 Share October 9, 2023 I don't think the Duggars were ever anti-tree. They are anti Santa. So much so Josh wore a sweater saying CHRISTmas and Derick tweeted to the world that Santa isn't real. 2 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8170286
Salacious Kitty October 9, 2023 Share October 9, 2023 1 minute ago, GeeGolly said: I don't think the Duggars were ever anti-tree. They are anti Santa. So much so Josh wore a sweater saying CHRISTmas and Derick tweeted to the world that Santa isn't real. They definitely didn't have a tree for many years though. I think that's when they were deepest into the Gothardism. They used to just hang a Happy Birthday Jesus sign on the top of the stairs. 2 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8170289
DXD526 October 10, 2023 Share October 10, 2023 Quote Derick tweeted to the world that Santa isn't real. What a dick. He can teach his own kids whatever he wants, but how does it hurt him if kids he doesn't even know believe in Santa? 11 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8170727
Guest October 11, 2023 Share October 11, 2023 On 10/9/2023 at 2:47 PM, GeeGolly said: I don't think the Duggars were ever anti-tree. They are anti Santa. So much so Josh wore a sweater saying CHRISTmas and Derick tweeted to the world that Santa isn't real. I would hope anyone old enough to be on twitter knew that without your help, Derick! Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8172341
GeeGolly October 30, 2023 Share October 30, 2023 This article is pretty good, with a few surprises but mostly nonsurprises. The program this woman created with her business partner is great. The article is about how a girl empowerment business had to pivot during the pandemic and spent a couple years setting up booths at homeschool conventions. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/homeschool-conference-curriculum-girl-empowerment_n_652445c9e4b0102e6962fd39 6 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8192470
farmgal4 October 30, 2023 Share October 30, 2023 On 10/8/2023 at 10:35 PM, sagittarius sue said: Tonight's "Last Week Tonight with John Oliver" goes after homeschooling and the HSLDA. If you don't have HBO the video will probably be on the show's Youtube channel tomorrow. Thank you! It’s great! 4 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8192504
GeeGolly November 20, 2023 Share November 20, 2023 I've had the TV on most of the weekend listening/watching a Waltons marathon, while doing some much needed 'spring' cleaning. Its striking how truly different this family was to all the IFBers who claim to live like them. Like the Duggars they had girls/boys dorms, a prodigal son, no TV, could quote the Bible off the cuff, wore modest dress, tried to live debt free, etc. They even had a few temporary preaching mechanics. Unlike the Duggars this poor Baptist family living on a remote mountain managed to raise three daughters who can cook, sew and clean house and have big dreams of the future and four sons of which only one remained in the family business. Very much unlike the Duggars they lived with religion, not for it, they wanted better for their children and they treated them like individuals. Even though the daughters gave away pieces of their heart like candy on Halloween through crushes and kisses, grandpa and daddy occasionally indulged in moonshine and one of the sons worked in/owned a bar, they all managed to grow up with a sound religious faith and become individual responsible adults. Someone needs to send all the Duggars (a very big) boxed set of The Waltons DVDs so maybe, just maybe they can see the difference between a cult and faith. 10 8 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8215292
GeeGolly November 20, 2023 Share November 20, 2023 (edited) Oh and I forgot, the oldest son 'wrote a tell-all'. 😁 Edited November 20, 2023 by GeeGolly 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8215300
GeeGolly November 20, 2023 Share November 20, 2023 And one more thing - Olivia's eyebrows - they are what I consider timeless and perfect. I wish I had them. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8215352
TrixieTrue November 20, 2023 Share November 20, 2023 3 hours ago, GeeGolly said: I've had the TV on most of the weekend listening/watching a Waltons marathon, while doing some much needed 'spring' cleaning. Its striking how truly different this family was to all the IFBers who claim to live like them. Like the Duggars they had girls/boys dorms, a prodigal son, no TV, could quote the Bible off the cuff, wore modest dress, tried to live debt free, etc. They even had a few temporary preaching mechanics. Unlike the Duggars this poor Baptist family living on a remote mountain managed to raise three daughters who can cook, sew and clean house and have big dreams of the future and four sons of which only one remained in the family business. Very much unlike the Duggars they lived with religion, not for it, they wanted better for their children and they treated them like individuals. Even though the daughters gave away pieces of their heart like candy on Halloween through crushes and kisses, grandpa and daddy occasionally indulged in moonshine and one of the sons worked in/owned a bar, they all managed to grow up with a sound religious faith and become individual responsible adults. Someone needs to send all the Duggars (a very big) boxed set of The Waltons DVDs so maybe, just maybe they can see the difference between a cult and faith. For some reason, I feel like the Waltons was a TV show they were allowed to watch. Maybe that along with Andy Griffith? (Griffiths?) I don't know why, but I feel like they had tapes or something and I vaguely remember them talking about the Waltons. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8215368
crazy8s November 20, 2023 Share November 20, 2023 3 hours ago, GeeGolly said: Oh and I forgot, the oldest son 'wrote a tell-all'. 😁 and in the end it is the parents that move out and all the "children" are left in the family home! (in the series) I watched the Waltons - Best Christmas Ever ep the other day and thought "I hope Jill Rod watches this one". Mama wants one last christmas with the entire family because she realizes the children have grown up and will start moving on with their own lives and families. She is sad, but accepts that as how things go. 11 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8215369
GeeGolly December 12, 2023 Share December 12, 2023 Duggars and Bates, and then the Rods. Next generation Duggars, Bates and Rods. Hilaria Baldwin, and now Paris Hilton, never mind the Kardashians. Religion, neglect, abuse, accessories, fame, privilege and nannies. Paris Hilton changed her first diaper when her son was a month old. Newborns need multiple diaper changes a day. Does Paris just visit the kid or ring a bell for the nanny? Like how does one avoid changing their kid's diaper?? I'm all about non-traditional families, but veering too far off the path makes for some dysfunctional families and messed up kids. 8 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8239617
Scarlett45 December 26, 2023 Share December 26, 2023 On 12/12/2023 at 2:54 PM, GeeGolly said: Duggars and Bates, and then the Rods. Next generation Duggars, Bates and Rods. Hilaria Baldwin, and now Paris Hilton, never mind the Kardashians. Religion, neglect, abuse, accessories, fame, privilege and nannies. Paris Hilton changed her first diaper when her son was a month old. Newborns need multiple diaper changes a day. Does Paris just visit the kid or ring a bell for the nanny? Like how does one avoid changing their kid's diaper?? I'm all about non-traditional families, but veering too far off the path makes for some dysfunctional families and messed up kids. I highly doubt Paris Hilton’s child was neglected. It was the responsibly of their primary caregiver (the nanny and night nurse) to attend to the physical needs of infant. There are a number of people who’s primary caregivers aren’t their biological parents for whatever reason- but I agree that collecting kids like trophies leads to emotionally dysfunctional adults. (Jill Rod is a prime example of this) There are some fundy women that LOVE children/babies and caregiving. I wonder what it would be like to be a woman in this culture who only didn’t care for it, but absolutely HATED it, yet you were forced into the role. As someone who has pretty excellent caregiving skills due to life circumstances, but doesn’t find it emotionally fulfilling at all, I often think about what life would be like if this was ALL I was allowed to do to contribute to the family or find personal fulfillment. I’d be a pretty pissy person to live with, I could imagine how many of the older children of a family would feel if they had a parent like that. Im sure we have all seen instances where there are people who probably would’ve choosen not to be parents if they had been brought up in a different time/culture with accessible contraceptives, and although they did the best the could (meaning they didn’t abuse, neglect or be purposely hostile to their kids) you could tell they were just NOT suited to raising emotionally and physically dependent beings. It’s the innocent children who suffer in that instance. I have always thought of JB/Michelle lived in a different culture/situation they would’ve been a childfree couple OR had ONE child with a full time nanny/night nurse so they would have to do as little hands on caregiving as possible. 13 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8250228
Salacious Kitty December 27, 2023 Share December 27, 2023 (edited) As soon as Jana and Jill were old enough, Meech handed over the babies at around 6 months old. And as we've seen, they didn't become relevant again until they were married. She was a horrible parent, and JB was only marginally better. Edited December 27, 2023 by Salacious Kitty 11 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8250236
Scarlett45 December 27, 2023 Share December 27, 2023 15 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said: As soon as Jana and Jill were old enough, Meech handed over the babies at around 6 months old. And as we've seen, they didn't become relevant again until they were married. She was a horrible parent, and JB was o my marginally better. Yup. Neither JB or Michelle had the inclination or the temperament to be anyone’s parent. They loved the attention and prestige it gave them, rather than for the kids themselves. Now with that many kids they were going to mesh well personality wise with some more than others, but that wasn’t it. That’s why I said I could’ve seen them very happily as a childfree couple. 12 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8250247
CalicoKitty December 27, 2023 Share December 27, 2023 I think they liked being parents to Josh, but I think it was just 3 or 4 years after he was born that they entered the cult. I think they would have (maybe) been ok parents to him and the second son (Caleb, I think), and I also think that they would have stopped at two kids. Unfortunately, things did not work out that way. JB and M joined a cult which really fed JB's ego and gave him a lot of power over his family, and the rest is history. 7 5 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8250282
andromeda331 December 27, 2023 Share December 27, 2023 2 hours ago, CalicoKitty said: I think they liked being parents to Josh, but I think it was just 3 or 4 years after he was born that they entered the cult. I think they would have (maybe) been ok parents to him and the second son (Caleb, I think), and I also think that they would have stopped at two kids. Unfortunately, things did not work out that way. JB and M joined a cult which really fed JB's ego and gave him a lot of power over his family, and the rest is history. It fed Michelle's too. She got fame, fortune, hundreds of people wanting to interview, daughters to do everything to cook, clean, raise and educate her kids and fans happy to do laundry for twelve years and do all the wedding work for her kids. 4 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8250367
CalicoKitty December 27, 2023 Share December 27, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, andromeda331 said: It fed Michelle's too. She got fame, fortune, hundreds of people wanting to interview, daughters to do everything to cook, clean, raise and educate her kids and fans happy to do laundry for twelve years and do all the wedding work for her kids. I have wondered if Michelle wanted the fame, and how much she really enjoyed it, and how much was forced upon her because she was a woman and the cult says you have to do what your husband demands. And always keep sweet. I know JB always said he let her decide if there was to be another baby, but I never really believed it. If you watched SHP, some of the sermons (given by men, of course) were really enticing if you were a authority-driven husband. Edited December 27, 2023 by CalicoKitty 7 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8250375
GeeGolly December 27, 2023 Share December 27, 2023 I still go with the theory that JB was, and still is, a bumbling fool and Michelle is the brains and boss. Not in a calculating way, but because JB couldn't even manage to be a headship without Michelle leading the way. When I say Michelle was the brains, I mean it in the most basic way. Michelle ran the family according to Gothard's very easy to remember rules. The indoctrination was/is deep for her and I believe she found/finds comfort and pride following the rules. JB loved it all because he was finally the cool kid, the husband with the pretty wife who allowed him to shine. And within the Gothard circles he was a man that mattered. But without Michelle he likely would have just been another average (asshole of a) man even within the cult. With that said, I believe JB handled the finances with little to no input from Michelle. 11 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8250416
floridamom December 27, 2023 Share December 27, 2023 I think Jim Bob was full of it when he said that he left the number of children up to Michelle...if she had said 'no more', what would they have done? Birth control of any kind was not allowed, so the only other option was going to be for him to sleep in another room and we know that would have never happened. So, how would they have not had any more children? Just another misleading statement from him in my opinion. 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8250463
GeeGolly December 27, 2023 Share December 27, 2023 There is trying to become pregnant, leaving it up to chance and trying not to become pregnant. If Michelle didn't want a record setting number of children I believe they would have less children than they have now. 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8250550
Salacious Kitty December 27, 2023 Share December 27, 2023 She openly charted her cycles. I think we all know what camp she was in. 12 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8250556
Scarlett45 December 27, 2023 Share December 27, 2023 4 hours ago, floridamom said: I think Jim Bob was full of it when he said that he left the number of children up to Michelle...if she had said 'no more', what would they have done? Birth control of any kind was not allowed, so the only other option was going to be for him to sleep in another room and we know that would have never happened. So, how would they have not had any more children? Just another misleading statement from him in my opinion. I always believed Michelle was the brains along with @GeeGolly’s line of thinking. She happened to have pretty easy pregnancies considering and they were very fertile as a couple. I do believe if Michelle had said “no more”, she would’ve gotten her tubes tied or JB a vasectomy, likely after her laundry room breakdown when Joseph was a baby. I believe JB does adore Michelle and would’ve “let her” have her way on this matter regardless of what the cult said. 7 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8250665
crazy8s December 27, 2023 Share December 27, 2023 (edited) I believe both Jb and Michelle were equally invested in both the cult and having children for attention/status in the cult. JB had Mary directing him in the real estate business until he was able to gain some ground. But still they were living in the rental with kids piled up, one bathroom and a stack of tinker toy house pieces until TLC came along. Even with the TV show, it would have all fallen apart if Michelle wasn't all in on the blanket training, buddy system and the whisper voice/look at mama thing Michelle did as far back as the 15kids and counting christmas special where toddler Justin was upset and mama turned his head and made him look at her. He immediately stopped crying. They were certainly in agreement on lack of education for their children. The children would probably have been even less educated if TLC never came along and gifted computers and whatever program the duggs claimed to use. Both of them were willing to lie, or blur the lines of their beliefs for a TV show. Both were willing to sacrifice their children's privacy for a TV show. Both would still be good with selling out their grandchildren's privacy to this day. But Joshua's behavior ruined that with TLC. Still JB invested and has all the boys set up in the duggar enterprise money making machine. JB and Michelle are now down to having 3 children who are minors and are living pretty damn well in my opinion. Edited December 27, 2023 by crazy8s 16 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8250731
Zella December 28, 2023 Share December 28, 2023 6 hours ago, crazy8s said: living pretty damn well in my opinion. Perhaps materially, but I suspect the general atmosphere in that house post-Josh's conviction is probably not a lot of fun. I remember being a kid and all the adults in the house being mad and stressed out. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. 14 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8250979
Salacious Kitty December 28, 2023 Share December 28, 2023 (edited) Agreed. I've said before that JB must be hell to live with these days. It's no wonder that the single adult boys (Jackson's situation unknown) left the Big House. Yes, they're still on Duggar land, and they probably come in for some meals and laundry, but they're detached to a certain extent in a way their older brothers never were until they married. Edited December 28, 2023 by Salacious Kitty 12 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8250984
Canadian Girl December 28, 2023 Share December 28, 2023 On 12/26/2023 at 9:31 PM, CalicoKitty said: I think they liked being parents to Josh, but I think it was just 3 or 4 years after he was born that they entered the cult. I think they would have (maybe) been ok parents to him and the second son (Caleb, I think), and I also think that they would have stopped at two kids. Who is Caleb? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8251062
Salacious Kitty December 28, 2023 Share December 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Canadian Girl said: Who is Caleb? The miscarriage Meech had between FF and the twins. It's unclear when Caleb was named. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8251066
Stevie Nicks December 28, 2023 Share December 28, 2023 Also sometimes referred to as J'Caleb on the boards. 2 3 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8251204
CalicoKitty December 28, 2023 Share December 28, 2023 58 minutes ago, Stevie Nicks said: Also sometimes referred to as J'Caleb on the boards. It was this miscarriage that pushed JB and M into the cult. The doctor they went to told them that their use of birth control was the cause of the miscarriage. They never looked back. 7 1 3 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8251238
GeeGolly December 28, 2023 Share December 28, 2023 29 minutes ago, CalicoKitty said: It was this miscarriage that pushed JB and M into the cult. The doctor they went to told them that their use of birth control was the cause of the miscarriage. They never looked back. I was thinking about that. Words are powerful and we never really know how'll they will hit. Like, how many other couples heard the same shpiel and walked away and never went back to that quack? And how many went the Duggar route? 11 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8251264
CalicoKitty December 28, 2023 Share December 28, 2023 (edited) I think that advice was very intentional. I think that doctor may have been a cult member. Edited January 3 by CalicoKitty wrong letter 8 2 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7311-the-duggars-and-their-world-fashion-food-finance-schoolin%E2%80%99-and-child-rearin/page/99/#findComment-8251330
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