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5 minutes ago, knaankos said:

One of the slowest hours of television I have ever watched. 

It was OK, but after waiting well over a year, we need more plot movement in the premiere 

Basically the only important thing to happen was at the very end, when Jimmy Saul revealed himself to be a total dirtbag.  

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Damn, Jimmy was stone cold to a weepy Howard.  I love that I can both fault him and not given what we've seen over three seasons.  Yes, he certainly bears his share of the blame and he did tip off the insurance woman, but he had no way of knowing Howard would pick that particular time to stand up to Chuck and use it to force Chuck out.

This was a slow episode that oddly made me feel almost like we're following too many people now.  It took seemingly forever to get back to any one story.  The opening with Gene managed to be great though in giving me a couple of points where the tension was ratcheted up so high I thought this was surely where he was going to be caught.  

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2 minutes ago, Bryce Lynch said:

It was OK, but after waiting well over a year, we need more plot movement in the premiere 

Basically the only important thing to happen was at the very end, when Jimmy Saul revealed himself to be a total dirtbag.  

He hasn't already?

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There have been other episodes in the past that people raved about, while I thought they were lackluster or underwhelming.  However, I liked this episode -- it was pretty good --  but I see that others thought it was slow or dull!   lol   I thought there were a couple of scenes with good tension.

I think that if people only wanted to see Jimmy deal with the aftermath of Chuck's death, or just scenes with Jimmy and Kim and that's it, then this would have been disappointing.   But I have never been shy about saying that I am/was less interested in the Chuck-Jimmy storyline, and more interested in the Gus-Mike-cartel-related stories.  So I was very happy that Gus, Nacho, Victor, etc., were in this episode.     In fact, I was worried that it was going to be all Jimmy-Kim-Howard-Chuck things and nothing else.   I was relieved to see that there was more to the episode than just them discussing Chuck's life.

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Zafiro Anejo tequila makes an appearance. That is the tequila that in BB Gus poisons and gives to Eladio. It is a purely fictional brand, made up by the BB team because they failed in getting product placement. It is supposed to be extremely expensive, and so it was an extra special gift to Eladio.  Was Kim's obtaining a bottle a part of a previous episode? I sort of vaguely recall it but I'm not sure.

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2 minutes ago, Pat Hoolihan said:

Zafiro anejo tequila makes an appearance. That is the tequila that in BB Gus poisons and gives to Eladio. It is a purely fictional brand, made up by the BB team because they failed in getting product placement. It is supposed to be extremely expensive.  Was Kim's obtaining it a part of a previous episode? I sort of vaguely recall it but I'm not sure.

Jimmy bought it last season to celebrate the Sandpiper settlement, before doing the right thing and stopping it.

I wonder if Jimmy somehow introduces Gus or Mike to Zafiro Anejo, giving them the idea to poison the cartel with it.

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Kind of a slow return for the show, but I was prepared for that since pretty much every first episode (or two) tends to be kind of slow.  It usually picks up as the season progresses and I have faith that it will do so again this year.

The final scene was great though.  Jimmy totally knows that letting the insurance company know about Chuck's condition  helped drive him to his suicide, but he is perfectly content with letting Howard "bare that cross" by himself.  Damn, that was cold!  Jimmy's progression towards Saul continues on.  I just hope the ones closest to him don't suffer because of it: especially Kim.  Bob Odenkirk was excellent as always.

I figured Mike's stuff was him doing his "security risk assessment" gig, but those scenes were fun.  It's always good watching Mike be so efficient as his job!

Can anyone pull off subtle, facial acting like Giancarlo Esposito can?  The way Gus was eyeing Nacho in their scenes was chilling.  And now Nacho is being tracked by that other guy.  I worry for Nacho.

Liked how they brought back some of the other lawyer characters like Rick Schweikart and Clifford Main for Chuck's funeral.

Not sure what to make of the "Gene" scenes.  Has is paranoia gotten the better of him or has he truly been found?

Can't wait to see where this season goes!

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54 minutes ago, nodorothyparker said:

This was a slow episode that oddly made me feel almost like we're following too many people now.  It took seemingly forever to get back to any one story. 

I felt that way a few times in the previous season.  So I appreciate the episodes that focus on one side or the other.  I think a problem is---

45 minutes ago, TVFan17 said:

I think that if people only wanted to see Jimmy deal with the aftermath of Chuck's death, or just scenes with Jimmy and Kim and that's it, then this would have been disappointing.   But I have never been shy about saying that I am/was less interested in the Chuck-Jimmy storyline, and more interested in the Gus-Mike-cartel-related stories. 

 

And I'm less interested in the cartel side of the show, even though Gus is maybe my favorite character from Breaking Bad, than I am in the smaller scale maneuvering of McGill/Wexler/Hamlin that pushes Jimmy towards Saul. Give me the small shocks of "that's your cross to bear" anytime.

20 minutes ago, Lonesome Rhodes said:

OMAHA!

The B/W choice was wird, and then I realized it was a dream.  Cottonwood Mall is in Albuquerque.  Unless "Gene" had moved back to New Mexico, it was not reality.

They've done all Omaha Gene flash forwards in black and white.  But good notice about the Cottonwood Mall being in Albequerque. (Unless that was an intentional nod that I had forgotten about.)

I enjoyed this premiere.  It was surprisingly comforting with small moments of tension like the opening, or when the car wouldn't start and I feared there was a car bomb, or with Nacho trying to get rid of the pills while Gus watched silently....  And there are few things I enjoy more than watching Mike take care to do something with competence.

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2 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

I felt that way a few times in the previous season.  So I appreciate the episodes that focus on one side or the other.  I think a problem is---

And I'm less interested in the cartel side of the show, even though Gus is maybe my favorite character from Breaking Bad, than I am in the smaller scale maneuvering of McGill/Wexler/Hamlin that pushes Jimmy towards Saul. Give me the small shocks of "that's your cross to bear" anytime.

They've done all Omaha Gene flash forwards in black and white.  But good notice about the Cottonwood Mall being in Albequerque. (Unless that was an intentional nod that I had forgotten about.)

I enjoyed this premiere.  It was surprisingly comforting with small moments of tension like the opening, or when the car wouldn't start and I feared there was a car bomb, or with Nacho trying to get rid of the pills while Gus watched silently....  And there are few things I enjoy more than watching Mike take care to do something with competence.

I didn't like the Mike scene because his "job" is to walk to the mailbox to get the checks Gus arranged for him to get from Madrigal.  Him nosing around the warehouse would only cause trouble IRL.

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4 minutes ago, Bryce Lynch said:

I didn't like the Mike scene because his "job" is to walk to the mailbox to get the checks Gus arranged for him to get from Madrigal.  Him nosing around the warehouse would only cause trouble IRL.

I think it's his attempt to legitimize his cover story with Lydia to back him up.

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I’m just so happy to get this show back. Nothing like it on television. Might have been a little slow but I still enjoyed it.

Mike didn’t like the idea of getting a check for sitting around and doing nothing, thus his security audit at Madrigal. Made him feel like he earned his pay.

What ends up happening to the money that Howard promised Chuck for the buy-out? I was waiting for him to tell Jimmy how much he owed Chuck’s estate.

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7 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

I think it's his attempt to legitimize his cover story with Lydia to back him up.

Yeah, but she made it clear that it wasn't necessary.

In BB Hank mentions that Mike is on the LPH payroll. I wonder if he blew the Madrigal deal with this stunt.

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I really liked this episode. The pace gave me time to think back to previous episodes and reconnect with the characters and the plot. I had to laugh when Jimmy put the phone down while listening to Howard read the obituary full of Chuck's achievements, something Chuck always held over Jimmy. The American University of Samoa sweatshirt was great too.  Zafiro Anejo made an appearance in an earlier season when Jimmy and Kim conned a loud salesman into buying them several shots of it (at $50 each). 

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41 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

 

And I'm less interested in the cartel side of the show, even though Gus is maybe my favorite character from Breaking Bad, than I am in the smaller scale maneuvering of McGill/Wexler/Hamlin that pushes Jimmy towards Saul. Give me the small shocks of "that's your cross to bear" anytime.

 

 

Most people feel as you do, Irlandesa.   Every year, most people seem to say similar things to what you say, about being less interested in the cartel side of the show and more interested in the other things (Kim-Jimmy-Howard-Chuck-law firm things).    I am pretty much the lone voice admitting to being more interested in the other stories.  I never see anyone siding with me on that specific issue.   

In any case, the cartel side of the show is, indeed, part of the show, and they have come this far with it and can't back away from it now.  So I will continue to enjoy it and hope it pays off somehow.   lol   I couldn't wait to see who was watching Nacho dump the pills... and it turned out to be Victor (sent by Gus)!  

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Just now, BradandJanet said:

Was Rebecca the older woman sitting in the pew behind Jimmy and Ken?

I wondered the same thing.  I couldn't get a close enough look at her (before the camera cut away) to be able to tell. 

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14 minutes ago, TVFan17 said:

Every year, most people seem to say similar things to what you say, about being less interested in the cartel side of the show and more interested in the other things (Kim-Jimmy-Howard-Chuck-law firm things).    I am pretty much the lone voice admitting to being more interested in the other stories.  I never see anyone siding with me on that specific issue.   

Oh that's funny.  I guess it depends on where you read because I do think you are not alone. 

13 minutes ago, BradandJanet said:

Was Rebecca the older woman sitting in the pew behind Jimmy and Ken?

Yes, that was Ann Cusack.

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4 hours ago, Bryce Lynch said:

Jimmy had his faults and was briefly full Saul Goodman when he ruined Irene's life to get his money sooner.

But, after Kim's accident, he undid the damage at great cost to his cash flow and reputation with the geezers.  He also tried to patch things up with Chuck.  

It seemed like he was pulling back from becoming Saul, but now he seems to be Saul.  His reaction to Howard was the most evil we've seen Jimmy on BCS.

I can't remember everything Jimmy has done in BCS, but I really don't know if I would say that's the most evil.

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Who remembers all these details from any show's previous seasons, lol. Rebecca? Who the heck is Rebecca?  And Jimmy squealed to the insurance company Chuck's condition?  What the heck was Cheese Nacho doing with the pills? I forget. He didn't want his father to getting coerced by the cartel or something.... lol.

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4 minutes ago, 100Proof said:

Who remembers all these details from any show's previous seasons, lol. Rebecca? Who the heck is Rebecca?  And Jimmy squealed to the insurance company Chuck's condition? 

Considering the long breaks between seasons (particularly between 3 and 4) remembering the details is hard, but this site is really very helpful for looking things up:

http://breakingbad.wikia.com/wiki/Breaking_Bad_Wiki

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3 hours ago, LittleIggy said:

So happy the show is back! One scene I particularly loved was the Madrigal break room scene.  “Does Bruce Lee have a gun?” ?Then Mike signing the birthday card!

And when he asked that question I let out a loud hell yes. Bruce Lee was known to carry a .45.  

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After Jimmy's reaction to Howard, I think Kim's chances of surviving the season and the series are much better than I thought.  I think she dumps the cold hearted bastard soon, which would mean they wouldn't necessarily need to kill her off.

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2 hours ago, dwmarch said:

 I also liked the embers floating over Kim and Jimmy and the scene where Jimmy was at Chuck's house and the firefighters were milling about, doing post-fire cleanup stuff that never makes the news

It's a sign of the times with regards to the traffic jammed information highway of 24-hour news—as well as the proliferation of shows—that neither the fire ember and aftermath scenes were edited out, nor was the episode pulled because of the ongoing fire losses in California and elsewhere. Even though those glowing bits and charred remains had an unintended effect on me, I am not offended, but rather appreciate the inadvertently current dramatization of reality.

Again, like last season, the camera work and direction make Nacho's anxiety palpable. Not only is it good practice to do more of what has worked in the past, but it gives the character a realistic consistency. 

Speaking of consistent characters: In the cold open I assumed Jimmy/Gene was playing a long con—even with and including the scary taxi driver with the Albuquerque air freshener hanging from the rear view mirror—especially bookended as it was with Jimmy's cheery smirk in the final scene after all his interminable scenes of silent "grief."

Anyway, those opening scenes seem to point to Jimmy/Gene meeting a fate not unlike Walter White's. But maybe not.

 

Kim's reaction to Jimmy's sudden perkiness seemed to me to telegraph that she might leave him when she realizes that he's every bit of a dick as was Chuck and as is Hamlin. —which @Bryce Lynch just posted too!

Hmmm. Was Hamlin trying to get Jimmy to take the blame? If so, excellent crocodile tears!

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2 hours ago, dwmarch said:

Mike is still a cop at heart and wants to know who he's working for and what they are all about. If they're into some gangsta shit, could a curious investigator with a clipboard compromise them? Apparently the answer is yes so he wants to help them beef up security before cashing his consulting cheques.

This, and that he was bored out of his mind sitting home watching baseball, and he's Mike! He's very literal. lol. He likes to earn his keep. If you hire him as a security consultant, don't be surprised if he decides to consult on security.

Remember in season 1 finale, Jimmy asks him something like "why didn't we each keep 800K tax free?!" And Mike replies that the way he saw it he was paid to do a job, so he did it and that's where it ended for him.

 

6 hours ago, Dev F said:

In an episode where every story focused on the inconvenient fact that nothing burns away clean

That was beautifully put. I'm fine with the episode and just relieved that we weren't subjected to too much post-Chuck anguish and tortured reflection (well maybe Howard a little - but that won't last); I should have trusted that these showrunners would try to avoid the usual well-trodden paths.

In each season, these Cinnabon Gene scenes are so good, leave you wanting so much more of that world, that they threaten to deflate the regular storylines. But then you're back color and in time, back to ABQ, and the moment passes. 

Some table-setting, but that was to be expected. Especially after the long slumber between seasons (%%$##!). I need to watch it again -- was trying to catch everything at once, and in doing so likely missed all kinds of things.

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11 minutes ago, Bannon said:

I'll note again that the cinematography on this show makes 99.9% of other shows look like local cable access television.

Agreed.  The way we first see Nacho on the bridge, and the scene that follows, were particularly stunning.  In fact that, and all of Gene in Omaha, made the episode for me. 

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