lavenderblue June 20, 2017 Share June 20, 2017 They did something similar for a male character type in The Baxter -- what happens to the hapless nice guy boyfriend character who gets thrown over for the hero in a rom-com. The funny-sidekicks-as-centerpiece is such an obviously great idea I'm sort of confused no one's apparently tried it yet. Link to comment
aradia22 June 21, 2017 Share June 21, 2017 (edited) @lavenderblue The Baxter sounds interesting. Did you enjoy it? I'm wondering if I should do a one-week Sundance trial on amazon so I can watch it. Joss Whedon Wonder Woman 2005 script... to be fair it was over 10 years ago... but also Buffy (which I never watched) ran from 1997-2003 http://www.glamour.com/story/unfinished-wonder-woman-script-joss-whedon-twitter http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/women-of-twitter-roast-joss-whedons-ridiculous-wonder-woman-script_us_5947cf62e4b01eab7a2f19db Edited June 21, 2017 by aradia22 Link to comment
methodwriter85 June 21, 2017 Share June 21, 2017 Another interesting Netflix entry....this is a Brazilian drama called Don't Call Me Son, which follows a genderqueer/pansexual teenager who discover he was kidnapped at birth by his mother: I liked it- it was very fast-paced and it tended to gloss over some thing, but I liked that it didn't really meander. I wish it could have delved a bit more into the topics it touches, but it's nice that the viewer gets to imagine and fill in the blank spots. And this topic really doesn't get as much play in movies, especially if we're talking about a trans/queer type who doesn't want to become a drag queen. Link to comment
VCRTracking June 21, 2017 Share June 21, 2017 (edited) I don't know why but I suddenly remember when Ron Howard hosted SNL in 1982 and he was in the sketch where he's playing himself and being interviewed by this Eddie Murphy character Raheem Abdul Mohammad: Quote Ron Howard: Look, look, Raheem, I'm not Opie Taylor and I'm not Richie Cunningham. I'm Ron Howard, I'm a grown man. You know I'm directing now? Did you see the new movie I have out, "Night Shift"?Raheem Abdul Mohammed: Was there any black people in it?Ron Howard: No.Raheem Abdul Mohammed: I didn't see it, then. What was it about?Ron Howard: Oh, well, it was, uh, the story about these two pimps.Raheem Abdul Mohammed: It's the story about two pimps and wasn't no brothers in it? I don't know whether to say "Thank you" or punch you in your mouth, man. Edited June 22, 2017 by VCRTracking 14 Link to comment
Luckylyn June 24, 2017 Share June 24, 2017 He makes some good points. This is a pretty prevalent trope that I had never given thought to before. I was surprised that Tarzan wasn't included in the list of male versions of the trope. I disagree with his rationale for why the trope is more commonly female. I think the reason is that Hollywood tends to cater to the straight male demographic. I do think innocence can be sexy depending on how it's protrayed. If the character is so naive that I feel that they are being taken advantage of than it's icky for me. The way the trope is handled when it's a male or female does differ. For the male, one feature is his ignorance of the world makes him a nicer guy which makes him more attractive. Meanwhile when it's the female her naivety is more sexualized. Exmachina does a great job of taking this trope and twisting it. 9 Link to comment
methodwriter85 June 25, 2017 Share June 25, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Luckylyn said: He makes some good points. This is a pretty prevalent trope that I had never given thought to before. I was surprised that Tarzan wasn't included in the list of male versions of the trope. I disagree with his rationale for why the trope is more commonly female. I think the reason is that Hollywood tends to cater to the straight male demographic. I do think innocence can be sexy depending on how it's protrayed. If the character is so naive that I feel that they are being taken advantage of than it's icky for me. The way the trope is handled when it's a male or female does differ. For the male, one feature is his ignorance of the world makes him a nicer guy which makes him more attractive. Meanwhile when it's the female her naivety is more sexualized. Exmachina does a great job of taking this trope and twisting it. It's kind of creepy when you think about Tom Hanks and Elizabeth Perkins in Big. She doesn't know until after they had sex that he's 13, but yeah, kind of icky. Thankfully 13 Going on 30 just avoids that minefield altogether by keeping Jenna relatively chaste throughout the movie. You know, Anastasia Steele from 50 Shades of Grey definitely qualifies as Born Sexy Yesterday, in my opinion. She's 22 and has never had any kind of orgasm or sexual experience, before plunging into sexytimes with Christian Grey. In the book, I think it's implied she's never so much as kissed a guy before Jose tries to do it, or use masturbation to achieve an orgasm. Edited June 25, 2017 by methodwriter85 2 Link to comment
lavenderblue June 25, 2017 Share June 25, 2017 On 6/21/2017 at 0:01 AM, aradia22 said: @lavenderblue The Baxter sounds interesting. Did you enjoy it? I'm wondering if I should do a one-week Sundance trial on amazon so I can watch it. Joss Whedon Wonder Woman 2005 script... to be fair it was over 10 years ago... but also Buffy (which I never watched) ran from 1997-2003 http://www.glamour.com/story/unfinished-wonder-woman-script-joss-whedon-twitter http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/women-of-twitter-roast-joss-whedons-ridiculous-wonder-woman-script_us_5947cf62e4b01eab7a2f19db I liked it pretty well -- it's a kind of dry, quirky experience, which you'd expect given the cast. I'd say it's worth checking out for free, at least! Link to comment
Luckylyn June 25, 2017 Share June 25, 2017 10 hours ago, methodwriter85 said: It's kind of creepy when you think about Tom Hanks and Elizabeth Perkins in Big. She doesn't know until after they had sex that he's 13, but yeah, kind of icky. Thankfully 13 Going on 30 just avoids that minefield altogether by keeping Jenna relatively chaste throughout the movie. You know, Anastasia Steele from 50 Shades of Grey definitely qualifies as Born Sexy Yesterday, in my opinion. She's 22 and has never had any kind of orgasm or sexual experience, before plunging into sexytimes with Christian Grey. In the book, I think it's implied she's never so much as kissed a guy before Jose tries to do it, or use masturbation to achieve an orgasm. 50 Shades as a variation on Born Sexy Yesterday is an interesting idea. The whole virgin with the Alpha guy pairing is a pretty common theme in romance novels. So Born Sexy Yesterday is pretty pervasive. I was thinking that Scarlett Johansen in Her counts as well but that movie has her mature and grow beyond the romance. Link to comment
methodwriter85 June 26, 2017 Share June 26, 2017 (edited) 12 hours ago, Luckylyn said: 50 Shades as a variation on Born Sexy Yesterday is an interesting idea. The whole virgin with the Alpha guy pairing is a pretty common theme in romance novels. So Born Sexy Yesterday is pretty pervasive. I was thinking that Scarlett Johansen in Her counts as well but that movie has her mature and grow beyond the romance. Ruby Sparks has the same conclusion, I believe. I think "Born Sexy Yesterday" boils down to the idea that we're supposed to want someone pure and childlike because they don't have the emotional baggage that someone with real life experience has. It reminds me of a line I remember from a memoir I read once- that all men want what's fresh and never been had before. Edited June 26, 2017 by methodwriter85 3 Link to comment
Luckylyn June 27, 2017 Share June 27, 2017 I think there's an element of optimism that comes from innocence vs cynicism stemming from negative experiences. The Born Sexy Yesterday can serve as an inspiration to see the world in a better light. Wonder Woman manages to fit and defy the trope simultaneously. She's been isolated and is new to being in our world. She can be naive in her belief that all people are good and that killing one man would be enough to end all suffering, but she's also very worldly and skilled. In the scene where Steve feels awkward sleeping beside her, and they have that awesome conversation about pleasure (which the actors ad libbed) she comes off as older, and he's the one who has some things to learn. Her optimism and Steve's pessimism and how they end up influencing each other is a story arch that works for both. She learns that people are more complicated than she realized and that evil can't be all blamed on one god while Steve learns to have more hope for saving the future. Her character development is about her own journey and not making Steven look like the more knowledgeable hero because she is acted and written with depth and both she and Steve can learn from each other. It's her story with Steve as support and that makes it work. 7 Link to comment
Luckylyn July 1, 2017 Share July 1, 2017 Lindsay Ellis is currently doing an awesome multi-part film analysis of the Transformers franchise. The most current episode focuses on The Problem of Lady Robots 3 Link to comment
raezen July 1, 2017 Share July 1, 2017 I really liked this video about examples of masculinity using Newt from Fantastic Beasts. In this thread on Gender we talk a lot about female representation (and I know I'm largely guilty of that) and very little about representations of masculinity. 5 Link to comment
UYI July 1, 2017 Share July 1, 2017 Today is the 25th anniversary of A League of Their Own. Here is a fun article about the movie. http://www.espn.com/espnw/feature/19437746/an-oral-history-league-their-own-25th-anniversary 6 Link to comment
starri July 10, 2017 Share July 10, 2017 So, DC has learned in the past six weeks that people love Wonder Woman. They release original animated films two or three times a year. What's next in the hopper? A Wonder Woman story, you ask? No, an adaptation of Gotham By Gaslight an--admittedly great--story about Victorian Batman fighting Jack the Ripper. They do have Batman and Harley Quinn coming up, but one kind of meh Wonder Woman solo movie is literally the only one they've released whose star was a woman. In the last ten years, they've release 28 movies. They've had some really great supporting performances for women, from Harley in Assault on Arkham (a better Suicide Squad movie than Suicide Squad), Zatanna in Justice League Dark, and especially Batwoman. But they can't make a Birds of Prey movie, or Batgirl, or another WW story? And let's not even talk about The Killing Joke. 8 Link to comment
aradia22 July 11, 2017 Share July 11, 2017 Quote Today it was announced that comedian Jon Oliver would be joining the cast of the upcoming live-action remake of Disney's The Lion King in the role of Zazu. Oliver joins a cast that already includes, Donald Glover as Simba. James Earl Jones as Mufasa, and Seth Rogen and Billy Eichner as sidekicks Timon and Pumbaa, http://www.broadwayworld.com/article/Comedian-John-Oliver-Joins-Upcoming-Disney-Remake-of-THE-LION-KING-20170710 I'm not sure this totally belongs here aside from the fact we've been talking about Disney movies and may have mentioned The Lion King but this casting is just too perfect. I needed to share it. 1 Link to comment
Silver Raven July 11, 2017 Share July 11, 2017 Spider Man Homecoming has a really realistic racial mix in the high school. Kids of all races, teachers of all races, administrators of all races, the movie was really accurate with that. 6 Link to comment
topanga July 11, 2017 Share July 11, 2017 11 hours ago, Silver Raven said: Spider Man Homecoming has a really realistic racial mix in the high school. Kids of all races, teachers of all races, administrators of all races, the movie was really accurate with that. I totally agree, and even Peter's love interest is a woman of color. And I like that no one felt the need to discuss that Liz and MJ are black (biracial) Still, and I know this might sound like sound like sour grapes, but Hollywood is one again reinforcing the belief that according to mainstream movies, the only beautiful, desirable black women in are biracial. I'm not criticizing the young women who were in the movie: the actress playing Liz was good, and I've always liked Zendaya. But it would be nice to sometimes see a dark brown--or even a medium-brown-- actress in a blockbuster. I know Lupita has been in Star Wars and will soon be in Black Panther, but she's only one actress. I'd like to see a Riele Downs (Nickelodeon) or Imani Hakim or another black actress get a fair shot. Could it be that Hollywood execs are trying to appease the racist comic book fans who lose their shit whenever a person of color is cast in a movie about fictional cartoon characters who live in fictitious worlds? 4 Link to comment
Silver Raven July 11, 2017 Share July 11, 2017 Do we know that Zendaya's character is biracial? 1 Link to comment
Spartan Girl July 11, 2017 Share July 11, 2017 Guy Richie is allegedly having trouble casting Aladdin It's really hard to find someone that's both Middle Eastern and is a good singer? Big. Fat. Side-Eye. 7 Link to comment
xaxat July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 (edited) I still wonder why Disney hired Ritchie. Forget about him creating a compelling mythological Middle Eastern tale, he's an Englishman who couldn't get people to see his mythological Arthurian movie. Edited July 12, 2017 by xaxat 10 Link to comment
Spartan Girl July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 Maybe Disney can do what they did with the Han Solo movie: Fire the original director and get a better one instead. 5 Link to comment
Kel Varnsen July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Spartan Girl said: Guy Richie is allegedly having trouble casting Aladdin It's really hard to find someone that's both Middle Eastern and is a good singer? Big. Fat. Side-Eye. This is Disney who also couldn't find someone French to play a woman named Belle. 3 Link to comment
twoods July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Spartan Girl said: Guy Richie is allegedly having trouble casting Aladdin It's really hard to find someone that's both Middle Eastern and is a good singer? Big. Fat. Side-Eye. They can't find one person?! I was reading the comment thread and a lot of people brought up Avan Jogia, who is Indian and sings (he's on a Nick show). I googled him and he's the spitting image of Aladdin. Maybe they want someone a bit older? Edited because I just found out he's 25. He looks so young. And if Oded Fehr is not Jafar, I will throw something. Edited July 12, 2017 by twoods 1 Link to comment
callie lee 29 July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 Guy Ritchie directing a Alladin from disney just seems weird over all. Nite grabbed I haven't watched a huge number of his movies but they have all seemed vet testosterone action movies. Maybe the fact that for me animation is fantasia, snow white, Cinderella, etc. Ritchie seems a little "hard" for that type of movie. I'm having a real hard time understanding how no one is able to find a middle eastern man who can act, dance, and sing. Isn't that most of Bollywood films have?? Am I just being ignorant here???? 5 Link to comment
Ms Blue Jay July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 On 7/11/2017 at 0:22 AM, Silver Raven said: Spider Man Homecoming has a really realistic racial mix in the high school. Kids of all races, teachers of all races, administrators of all races, the movie was really accurate with that. I'm happy to hear that. Link to comment
GHScorpiosRule July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, callie lee 29 said: I'm having a real hard time understanding how no one is able to find a middle eastern man who can act, dance, and sing. Isn't that most of Bollywood films have?? Am I just being ignorant here???? Not to be rude, but actors in Bollywood/India are Indian and not Middle Eastern. They're not interchangeable. And most of the actors aren't singing-they're lip syncing the songs sung by playback singers. Unless you're saying that Bollywood actors could pass for Middle Eastern? Edited July 12, 2017 by GHScorpiosRule 2 Link to comment
aradia22 July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 Quote Guy Ritchie directing a Alladin from disney just seems weird over all. Nite grabbed I haven't watched a huge number of his movies but they have all seemed vet testosterone action movies. Maybe the fact that for me animation is fantasia, snow white, Cinderella, etc. Ritchie seems a little "hard" for that type of movie. I'm having a real hard time understanding how no one is able to find a middle eastern man who can act, dance, and sing. Isn't that most of Bollywood films have?? Am I just being ignorant here???? My best guess here is that they want him as an action director used to a lot of moving pieces. I'm thinking about "One Jump." There might also be a tiny bit of fight choreography and a sort of video game style running around with the Cave of Wonders. Now, I don't think an action director is necessarily the best choice for a big musical number like Prince Ali or A Friend Like Me but it makes more sense than bumping up an indie director who is used to working on small, intimate movies with lots of close ups on the actors. You want someone who can handle a lot of things. Of course, I'm sure it doesn't hurt that he's white and male. I don't know the demographic breakdown of everyone who has graduated from an acting program or more specifically a musical theater program. (Though that would be awesome to have and would really help when people have debates about diverse casting.) But if they're really looking, there's got to be someone. I do think that chances are we won't have on the nose casting (putting aside that Agrabah is a fictional place, let's be honest, we've got a fairly good idea of what region of the globe the actor should come from). But, for instance, I saw an off-Broadway show set in Afghanistan and while I don't know the main actor's background, I walked away thinking that if it was still running in a few years, he'd be great as Aladdin on Broadway (they've cast the stage show older). With a bit of coaching, he would be fine for the movie (though he is lighter skinned than even the cartoon appears to be). But still, my point is that there are working actors out there who could do it and I don't see why they wouldn't be auditioning if given the opportunity. It's a high profile role and (as far as I know) there's nothing offensive or demeaning about the role as written. Link to comment
callie lee 29 July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 6 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said: Not to be rude, but actors in Bollywood/India are Indian and not Middle Eastern. They're not interchangeable. And most of the actors aren't singing-they're lip syncing the songs sung by playback singers. Unless you're saying that Bollywood actors could pass for Middle Eastern? No nite ride, I thought Bollywood was middle eastern as well as Indian. My bad. Link to comment
Luckylyn July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 I would have preferred a director like Danny Boyle or Edgar Wright to direct Aladdin. 3 Link to comment
Ms Blue Jay July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 Doesn't have to be a white director though. Could be someone like Mira Nair. 3 Link to comment
Spartan Girl July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 15 hours ago, Kel Varnsen said: This is Disney who also couldn't find someone French to play a woman named Belle. I feel like I'm going to get in trouble for saying this, but that's not the same issue here. 7 Link to comment
Luckylyn July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 (edited) 16 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said: Doesn't have to be a white director though. Could be someone like Mira Nair. I loved Monsoon Wedding. When I think of possible female directors of color for Aladdin I think of Gurinder Chada. I really loved what she did with Bride and Prejudice and Bend It Like Beckham. Edited July 13, 2017 by Luckylyn 8 Link to comment
Trini July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 They were able to cast someone (and understudies) for the Aladdin Broadway show, so this casting "problem" isn't as hard as they think. They might be looking for a 'name'. 1 Link to comment
Silver Raven July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 (edited) Why not Dev Patel? Or Deniz Akdeniz? Edited July 12, 2017 by Silver Raven Link to comment
twoods July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 This guy would work too if they want to go with someone Middle Eastern. <thud> I may have to check out ShadowHunters. http://shadowhunters.wikia.com/wiki/TV:Jade_Hassouné Link to comment
aradia22 July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 Quote They were able to cast someone (and understudies) for the Aladdin Broadway show, so this casting "problem" isn't as hard as they think. They might be looking for a 'name'. I agree that it shouldn't be that difficult. But to be fair, they haven't been casting Middle Eastern actors for Broadway. Link to comment
dusang July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 59 minutes ago, twoods said: This guy would work too if they want to go with someone Middle Eastern. <thud> I may have to check out ShadowHunters. http://shadowhunters.wikia.com/wiki/TV:Jade_Hassouné Thank you. 1 Link to comment
BoogieBurns July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 I don't think Indian actors and Middle Eastern actors are interchangeable. But I think if someone looks the part, they can cast them as a citizen of a fictional location. Unless you guys think we will find an actor from Agrabah. If Michael Jackson's part was cast by a white dude who looked like Michael Jackson, there would have been much less outrage. Of course they can find someone if they look. They are looking for an unknown. Riz and Dev are likely too expensive. But so damn sexy. I vote for Avan Jogia (Indian and white, not Middle Eastern) To be honest, I just love seeing all of these tall dark and handsome actors on my twitter feed. 4 Link to comment
Trini July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 On the other hand, the thought did cross my mind that maybe some of the higher caliber Middle Eastern/Indian/etc. actors don't want to be associated with Disney's Aladdin because of representation issues - even if the setting is fictional land? _________ On a different note; they're remaking this as a musical? I would have thought that Aladdin would be one of those properties that they could adapt into a slightly more grown up action adventure/romance film. 1 Link to comment
Spartan Girl July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 I heard they are going for a musical, yes. In fact the original cartoon was derided by Muslim groups because of the use of stereotypes -- original lyrics to "Arabian Nights" were pretty offensive. I just am hoping Disney has learned from those mistakes, especially in our current era. 1 Link to comment
Silver Raven July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 It's a remake of the Disney animation, being made by Disney, why would it not be a musical? Link to comment
Trini July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 The Alice in Wonderland and Cinderella remakes weren't. The Mulan remake most likely won't be. Link to comment
methodwriter85 July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 (edited) On 7/11/2017 at 4:14 PM, Silver Raven said: Do we know that Zendaya's character is biracial? Not that we know of. We don't see her parents in the film. We do see Liz's parents, and she is supposed to be biracial in that. Quote Still, and I know this might sound like sound like sour grapes, but Hollywood is one again reinforcing the belief that according to mainstream movies, the only beautiful, desirable black women in are biracial. I'm not criticizing the young women who were in the movie: the actress playing Liz was good, and I've always liked Zendaya. But it would be nice to sometimes see a dark brown--or even a medium-brown-- actress in a blockbuster. I know Lupita has been in Star Wars and will soon be in Black Panther, but she's only one actress. I did think to myself, "Oh, I guess Hollywood has a new set of black starlets with obvious European facial features. Rosario Dawson and Zoe Saldana are both getting a bit long in the tooth, after all." I am happy for Laura Harrier- she was Destiny Evans on the short-loved reboot of One Life to Live. It's great to see how far she's gotten in 4 years. I think Kerry Washington is considered medium brown? Although her career has kind of stalled as of late. Back to Spiderman...is this the first time we've had a possible love triangle where the man at the center was white and both of the women were black? I've wracked my brain and I can't think of any big mainstream movies where the white male lead had two potential love interests that were both black? I did think the racial mix of the high school seemed much more realistic than the other two iterations of Spiderman. Gugu Mbatha-Raw...is she considered "lightskin" or "medium brown"? Either way, she's definitely one I'm holding out hopes for. I loved her episode of Black Mirror. She looks to have a pretty busy year coming up, per IMDB. Edited July 13, 2017 by methodwriter85 1 Link to comment
Ms Blue Jay July 14, 2017 Share July 14, 2017 San Junipero staring Gugu was nominated for a few Emmys today! 1 Link to comment
galax-arena July 14, 2017 Share July 14, 2017 Black Panther is reimagining one of its major villains to avoid racial stereotypes. Your move, people who defend whitewashing for certain POC villains because "then they'd just be a stereotype"... 12 Link to comment
methodwriter85 July 14, 2017 Share July 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Ms Blue Jay said: San Junipero staring Gugu was nominated for a few Emmys today! Yeah, I'm holding out hope for her. She was amazing in that episode/t.v. movie. I think she has a really good shot at mainstream success. 1 Link to comment
LadyAmalthea July 14, 2017 Share July 14, 2017 With Guy Ritchie at the helm my expectations for the Aladdin movie are sadly already low, but am side-eyeing the casting reports. 2000 auditions...doesn't seem like a lot? I think they need to go with an unknown anyway, and most of the "names" they are throwing around seem far too old - I love Riz Ahmed and Dev Patel but I don't think either could pass as eighteen. 1 Link to comment
aradia22 July 14, 2017 Share July 14, 2017 Quote M’Baku himself is traditionally depicted wearing a special suit styled after a gorilla. OK, writer of this article, clearly he's just wearing a gorilla pelt. Like Hercules wore a skinned lion. No need to get so fancy. But back to the actual article, yes, shockingly when people try and are willing to change the character in smart ways (and not just run away from the problem... see Iron Man 3, Doctor Strange) we don't need whitewashing. Though personally, I'd still prefer if we told new stories instead of trying to resurrect these properties that don't have places for POC (e.g. period pieces) or that have problematic elements (e.g. racist stereotypes). But I get that comics are popular so this is going to continue to be an issue as they need to delve into all these old characters. Quote With Guy Ritchie at the helm my expectations for the Aladdin movie are sadly already low, but am side-eyeing the casting reports. 2000 auditions...doesn't seem like a lot? https://books.google.com/books?id=JMUUbAw30HgC&pg=PA489&lpg=PA489&dq=auditions+selena&source=bl&ots=Q2tBebg-Lm&sig=xYyQH6EUMHCZ0tzZb3BFKUJ9Ssw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjN59vLhonVAhVE2D4KHY5pADAQ6AEIUTAI#v=onepage&q=auditions selena&f=false (Skip to the paragraph that starts "In March 1996") Similar account from wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selena_(film) Quote Roger Mussenden was hired as casting director, and held casting calls throughout the United States including San Antonio, Texas, Miami, Chicago, New York City, and Los Angeles.[6] Casting calls began on March 16, 1996 and concluded on March 23.[6] Over 21,000 people auditioned for the title role, becoming the second largest audition since the search for Scarlett O'Hara in Gone With the Wind (1939).[9][10] Casting turnouts reached 10,000 in Los Angeles and 5,000 in Chicago, while turnouts reached 8,000 in San Antonio.[6] Of course they were searching for both a younger and older actress but still, that's likely way more than 2,000 if you were just counting either age group. Link to comment
festivus July 14, 2017 Share July 14, 2017 19 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said: San Junipero staring Gugu was nominated for a few Emmys today! Awesome. That was my favorite episode. 1 Link to comment
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