S10.E09: Knee Deep

[TattleTeeny]

3 minutes ago, geauxaway said:

Why wouldn’t they file a claim on their homeowner’s insurance for the the flood damage?   I know they made a joke about flood insurance but in this instance but I’m guessing they are not living in a flood zone or they would have been required to have that.  

I assume that's it. From what I understand--here in North Jersey, at least--it's pretty expensive so it seems like something people would do without if it isn't mandatory. And on top of that, it's so hard to sell a house in a notorious flood zone. It took years for my BF's to sell (after over five feet of water three times in a year and a half, and a few times many years ago when he was still a kid--and it hasn't flooded since in the five years he's been out of it, damn it!).

[bigskygirl]

I wonder if Dan and Roseanne paid off the two mortgages because most banks and credit unions require home insurance while you are paying off your mortgage. In the case of FEMA, it can take months or some time years before they pay homeowners for their claims they have filed. Plus the federal government can be picky about the workers you hire to repair the damage to your home. In 1997, we had a nasty hail storm hit the area where we live. At the time, we were still paying off the loan to our house. Our credit union was getting ready to hold on to our insurance company payment check because people were taking their insurance money and buying things like boats and cars instead of getting the work done to their homes. We were able to get our check and pay for damage windows because our credit union trust us to use the money for the damage to our house.

In the case of Dan and Roseanne, I would be surprise if they got much from FEMA. Plus the fact the government has strict rules about how you can spend the money you get. If they find out you use it on other things instead of rebuilding your home after the damage, they will come after you.

[Colorado David]

Good episode - I can't give it a great, as getting bailed out by a disaster is a little too neat for me.  I love the Chuck/Dan relationship, good chemistry there.   

[saylubee]

I could also believe that after the flooding Dan had enough work to make good, guaranteed money from the insurance companies.  But they just only barely mentioned that at the end and instead focused on FEMA.  It was just weird.  I wonder how it was supposed to end if the reboot failed.

[Ina123]

11 hours ago, methodwriter85 said:

 

 

11 hours ago, BitterApple said:

...Plus it's a lot like Rodbell's where there's plenty of opportunity for a large range of characters to swing through. 

 

Just think of the guest stars that could pass through. It could be a running gag. "Wonder who Darlene serves at the casino this week"?

[Chaos Theory]

12 hours ago, LadyintheLoop said:

 

Tried to remember whether Chuck had really been Dan's best friend all along. Maybe he's the only one still living.

Chuck’s wife (I forget her name now) worked at Welman’s plastic.  I think they all went to high school together.  Chuck has been in and out of the show pretty much from the beginning.  

[Chicken Wing]

1 minute ago, Chaos Theory said:

Chuck’s wife (I forget her name now) worked at Welman’s plastic.  I think they all went to high school together.  Chuck has been in and out of the show pretty much from the beginning.

I don't think Ann Marie worked at Wellman's. I think the first time we see her is in the episode where Becky flips the bird in her class photo, which I think was in the third season. Then she and Chuck come over for the Mother's Day barbecue later in the season, and Chuck becomes a regular poker table fixture after that. I think Dan and Roseanne knew and/or were friends with Chuck and Ann Marie in high school, but I don't think they'd seen each other again until this point. Roseanne didn't recognize Ann Marie at first in the principal's office and didn't know she'd married Chuck.

[BitterApple]

52 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

Darlene is working now, so she should be paying some rent or help with the food bill and gas and heating bill at least. Posters have been saying Becky, Darlene and DJ should have been helping Dan out in the basement. Mark and Harris could have help also and help around the house. 

When Dan made the comment about having three extra mouths to feed, I was like wtf, why is Darlene not getting food assistance? She's a low-income single mother. Even if she was only allotted a couple hundred bucks a month per person, that would take some of the load off. I actually think that would've made for great material since this season has been heavy on income inequality issues. Uppity "I'm too good for blue-collar Lanford" Darlene having to swallow her pride and go to social services for help. That would've been much more relevant than some of the more useless, non-sensical scenes they threw in for no reason (i.e., random shelter dog that seems to have magically disappeared).

Regarding Wellman, Chuck worked there, not AnneMarie.

[Chaos Theory]

6 minutes ago, Chicken Wing said:

I don't think Ann Marie worked at Wellman's. I think the first time we see her is in the episode where Becky flips the bird in her class photo, which I think was in the third season. Then she and Chuck come over for the Mother's Day barbecue later in the season, and Chuck becomes a regular poker table fixture after that. I think Dan and Roseanne knew and/or were friends with Chuck and Ann Marie in high school, but I don't think they'd seen each other again until this point. Roseanne didn't recognize Ann Marie at first in the principal's office and didn't know she'd married Chuck.

I think you might be right.  It might be a case of running into an old friend from high school and then becoming friends again.  I do know they both show up a lot after that even if just for a scene or two.  They made some unintended off color remarks after Dan got arrested for beating up Fischer.  I looked it up on IMDB and Chuck appears on 21 episodes.   Crystal who was originally cast as Roseanne’s best friend appeared on 86 so 21 isn’t really a lot.

[Ina123]

The flooding basement scene: when Dan makes the first whack with the lug wrench, DJ comes rushing down and sees what's happening. Goes over and starts helping to move stuff. Maybe a little one line, "Here, Dad, I'll help and we'll get it done in no time".

[bigskygirl]

According to the FEMA website, they will pay up to $33,000 for repairs done to homes where people have flood insurance and the insurance does not cover everything or to home owners who have no flood insurance. I think Dan was saying there was around $20,000 in damage to the basement and foundation. I do wonder if FEMA would take into consideration about Dan saying he could do the work himself and keep the extra money. He may get less money if he can do the work himself because the government is keeping a close eye on people trying to get more money for things other than repair work.

[Phoebe70]

I could really relate to this episode, as our basement flooded 3 months ago.  The water was as deep as the Connors' basement.  Thank goodness for insurance, as the damages were $28,000.  It didn't strike me as odd that no one was helping Dan in the basement.  I thought he said something to Roseanne like, "Go upstairs and make sure everyone's ok."  When our basement flooded, my husband didn't want me or my teenagers to help.  Being it was in February, the water was freezing and we didn't have boots to wade around in.  Plus, at that point the water was so high that pretty much everything was already damaged.  Thank goodness for Rubbermaid storage tubs!

Jackie didn't scream her lines this week.  Yay!  I think that's a first for this season.

[JAYJAY1979]

Becky and Darlene are an example of a healthy sister relationship.  Both have their own lives and aren't joined at the hip.  Jackie and Roseanne are an example of an unhealthy relationship.  I do think it is realistic in a way that Jackie has reverted mentally to a kid...since she cant face getting older and alone.

Yeah, it wasnt Ann Marie that worked at Wellman...it was another character named Vonda, who appeared in the first two seasons.  I actually liked the factory co workers of Roseanne better then the beauty shop co workers (though I did love Bonnie).

Harris could have inherited her height from her grandpa Dan and also remember...David's mom was tall as well.  Come to.think of it, Harris reminds me a lot of David's mom in personality.

[mythoughtis]

Jackie could have been a functioning adult with a happy home life... if Roseanne had quit interfering in it. Roseanne was so jealous of Jackie doing or deciding anything without her. Roseanne put herself ahead of Fred even. I’m not talking about situations such as when Dan punched the guy that had been abusing Jackie. That was an appropriate intervention- but claiming the right to be there at childbirth, for example, was not. You will notice Jackie, although around, doesn’t interfere in Roseanne’s life. 

The writers didn’t care about the kids helping Dan nor did they care about the realities of FEMA.   

Edited May 23, 2018 by mythoughtis

[LadyintheLoop]

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The union guys Dan did not want to use may have spouses and children they need to take care of also.

And in Dan's place they'd have done just what he did. 

[txhorns79]

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When Dan made the comment about having three extra mouths to feed, I was like wtf, why is Darlene not getting food assistance?

For me, it was more like how is it that Darlene is contributing nothing?  Even if we start from the proposition that Darlene was broke and could not contribute, she's working now.  Why does her father feel that he must provide for her and her children, and why would Darlene allow him to feel that way? 

[Colorado David]

33 minutes ago, JAYJAY1979 said:

Becky and Darlene are an example of a healthy sister relationship.  Both have their own lives and aren't joined at the hip.  Jackie and Roseanne are an example of an unhealthy relationship.  I do think it is realistic in a way that Jackie has reverted mentally to a kid...since she cant face getting older and alone.

Yeah, it wasnt Ann Marie that worked at Wellman...it was another character named Vonda, who appeared in the first two seasons.  I actually liked the factory co workers of Roseanne better then the beauty shop co workers (though I did love Bonnie).

Harris could have inherited her height from her grandpa Dan and also remember...David's mom was tall as well.  Come to.think of it, Harris reminds me a lot of David's mom in personality.

Remind me, who played David's mom?  i can only think of the one from BBT.

[Chicken Wing]

I've always kind of side-eyed Darlene with the decision to move back home with her kids. I get it, she lost her job, she was at the end of her resources and maybe had nowhere else to go, but she does realize that her parents are barely getting by taking care of themselves, right? They can't afford the extra food and utility expense for three additional people all over again.

[bigskygirl]

23 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:

Jackie could have been a functioning adult with a happy home life... if Roseanne had quit interfering in it. Roseanne was so jealous of Jackie doing or deciding anything without her. Roseanne put herself ahead of Fred even. I’m not talking about situations such as when Dan punched the guy that had been abusing Jackie. That was an appropriate intervention- but claiming the right to be there at childbirth, for example, was not. You will notice Jackie, although around, doesn’t interfere in Roseanne’s life. 

The writers didn’t care about the kids helping Dan nor did they care about the realities of FEMA.   

Jackie let Roseanne run her life.. She became dependent on Roseanne, and Roseanne loved running shotgun over Jackie and her family.

 

17 minutes ago, LadyintheLoop said:

And in Dan's place they'd have done just what he did. 

I do not think Chuck or the guys working with and for Chuck would have done the same thing. They probably would have went to Dan and explain the situation to him. I think Chuck and the guys would have help Dan get the money for Roseanne's surgery, but Dan went behind their backs to get non union workers.

[peacheslatour]

10 minutes ago, Colorado David said:

Remind me, who played David's mom?  i can only think of the one from BBT.

Sally Kirkland.

[Miss Ruth]

10 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

I think Chuck and the guys would have help Dan get the money for Roseanne's surgery,

I don't.  They are probably in the same financial boat as Dan.

[bigskygirl]

8 minutes ago, Miss Ruth said:

I don't.  They are probably in the same financial boat as Dan.

They probably would not have been able to help money wise, but they could have found ways to help him without him using non union labor because if the union found out he was using non labor workers it would have hurt him in the long run job wise because unions do not take kindly to members doing things like that. I have seen what happen in Montana when businesses go outside of state or instate and use non unions workers. It can end up with a lot of hurt feelings and someone getting hurt and property damage.

Edited May 23, 2018 by bigskygirl

[Dee]

44 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:

Jackie could have been a functioning adult with a happy home life... if Roseanne had quit interfering in it. Roseanne was so jealous of Jackie doing or deciding anything without her. Roseanne put herself ahead of Fred even. I’m not talking about situations such as when Dan punched the guy that had been abusing Jackie. That was an appropriate intervention- but claiming the right to be there at childbirth, for example, was not. You will notice Jackie, although around, doesn’t interfere in Roseanne’s life.

Roseanne was like that about everyone in her life.

She meddled in Mark & Becky's relationship too.

The only one who she gave a relative free pass to was Darlene.

[hnygrl]

Loved this one. Re-watched it after it ended I loved it so much.  I'm more than willing to fan-wank the FEMA deal. I'm just grateful they got the money.

I always figured Harris was so tall because DAN and her (David's mom) Grandmother are so tall. Both parents barely clear 5'5"and she's like 5'9/10"? I always thought it was because Dan is like 6'4" or 5"...he's super tall. Seeing how thin JG is now and watching the older episodes? It's jarring how obese he was.

Broke my heart him having to turn on Chuck....'I always said if I'm eating you're eating...guess what? I'm not eating...'

Man that was sad. I was thinking can't these people get one break? Just one? Glad this worked out in the end for everyone. With the flooding being so tragically bad, Contractors like Dan and Chuck get lots and lots of work, enough to put them in the black for several years. 

I wondered about Rosie's 'addiction' too. IS she addicted to Opiods, or was she just hoarding meds in case her prescription ran out? If she was addicted wouldn't the doctors have said something by now? You know how much blood-work you have to do before you get surgery? Someone would've noticed yes? No? Maybe that was (as others have deduced) just Dan's way of dealing...

I think they ORDERED the food. And they caterers took FOREVER getting it there, so long in fact that they didn't get it set up (had to wait for mom/grandma to leave the laundry room!) till almost 8.

I like that Darlene's not blowing off this job as if it's not important but actually taking Becky's advice and trying to do better. 

Good ending to the season. Here's to next season being even better. Dammit I still love this show...

[bigskygirl]

2 minutes ago, hnygrl said:

Loved this one. Re-watched it after it ended I loved it so much.  I'm more than willing to fan-wank the FEMA deal. I'm just grateful they got the money.

I always figured Harris was so tall because DAN and her (David's mom) Grandmother are so tall. Both parents barely clear 5'5"and she's like 5'9/10"? I always thought it was because Dan is like 6'4" or 5"...he's super tall. Seeing how thin JG is now and watching the older episodes? It's jarring how obese he was.

Broke my heart him having to turn on Chuck....'I always said if I'm eating you're eating...guess what? I'm not eating...'

Man that was sad. I was thinking can't these people get one break? Just one? Glad this worked out in the end for everyone. With the flooding being so tragically bad, Contractors like Dan and Chuck get lots and lots of work, enough to put them in the black for several years. 

I wondered about Rosie's 'addiction' too. IS she addicted to Opiods, or was she just hoarding meds in case her prescription ran out? If she was addicted wouldn't the doctors have said something by now? You know how much blood-work you have to do before you get surgery? Someone would've noticed yes? No? Maybe that was (as others have deduced) just Dan's way of dealing...

I think they ORDERED the food. And they caterers took FOREVER getting it there, so long in fact that they didn't get it set up (had to wait for mom/grandma to leave the laundry room!) till almost 8.

I like that Darlene's not blowing off this job as if it's not important but actually taking Becky's advice and trying to do better. 

Good ending to the season. Here's to next season being even better. Dammit I still love this show...

Dan and Chuck were struggling to find work before the flooding hit, so I do not expect them to find a lot of contractor jobs since there will be a lot of the contractors and workers applying for the same jobs.

I find it interesting they let Roseanne eat heavy food the day before surgery. Doctors and surgeons will tell patients to eat light and usually have the patient prepping the day before surgery. I seriously doubt Roseanne would have been allowed to eat the way she was before the cut off time of no food.

[JakeyJokes]

2 hours ago, Chaos Theory said:

  I looked it up on IMDB and Chuck appears on 21 episodes.   Crystal who was originally cast as Roseanne’s best friend appeared on 86 so 21 isn’t really a lot.

Natalie West (Crystal) was a series regular 1-4 and recurred through S8. 

This season wasn't perfect but I am impressed that they were able to bring back David, Bev, Chuck, Annemarie, Crystal, and Nancy - especially considering that it went from concept to production so quickly. Sara Gilbert must be really good at schmoozing people on the phone!

[HurricaneVal]

Yes, Darlene grudgingly realizing that Becky's advice was solid, and her awkward way of implementing it was comedy gold.  Especially since the first guy with the punky hair and "stuck in the '80s but in an ironic way, not a pathetic way" looked like an interesting person that maybe Darlene the "alt-goth girl" could appreciate and joke with, then the second guy was pure skeezy casino denizen who is exactly who Darlene doesn't want to flirt with.

i also think that perhaps Darlene is getting some sort of WIC assistance, because a few episodes back when they were in the grocery store, the family exhibited quite a familiarity with "the system" and helped that other woman.

The writers were kind of staggeringly criminal in how they portrayed FEMA as the white knight riding in to save the day.  It is very irresponsible to portray the disaster response that way, because since it is on TV, people will believe it.  The truth is, a lot of that federal money  come as loans, not free money, and as a poster upthread mentioned, there is heavy scrutiny to prevent fraud, and the money isn't often the windfall allowing people to rebuild a mansion where their shack once stood.  The compensation is really never enough to get back to what was, let alone allow for palatial reconstructions.  And all too often, the compensation is pathetically small, and very, very late.

The real good news, however, about the declaration of the state of emergency in the wake of the devastating storm, is that there will be plenty of work to be had in the area for carpenters, sheetrockers, and others in the construction trades.  Dan should be able to pick up some of that and earn some real money. 

Next season I'd like to see them explore DJ"s issues a little more.  Unless he has crippling PTSD--which we haven't seen any evidence of--DJ should be able to at least pick up unskilled labor jobs, or open a small engine repair shop working on lawn mowers, vacuums, weed-whackers, snow blowers etc out of the garage.  There's no reason for him to be a full-time stay-at-home-dad.

LOVE the Darlene/Becky dynamic.  I've always hated the Roseanne/Jackie dynamic.  I always wanted Jackie to tell Roseanne to shove it.  But somehow she never did, or if she did Roseanne was always proven right in the end. 

[Miss Ruth]

14 minutes ago, HurricaneVal said:

There's no reason for [DJ] to be a full-time stay-at-home-dad.

Maybe that's what he wants to do.  He's probably drawing military pay, plus any allotment for Mary and himself because his wife is currently serving in the military. He may even be in the National Guard.

[bigskygirl]

24 minutes ago, HurricaneVal said:

Yes, Darlene grudgingly realizing that Becky's advice was solid, and her awkward way of implementing it was comedy gold.  Especially since the first guy with the punky hair and "stuck in the '80s but in an ironic way, not a pathetic way" looked like an interesting person that maybe Darlene the "alt-goth girl" could appreciate and joke with, then the second guy was pure skeezy casino denizen who is exactly who Darlene doesn't want to flirt with.

i also think that perhaps Darlene is getting some sort of WIC assistance, because a few episodes back when they were in the grocery store, the family exhibited quite a familiarity with "the system" and helped that other woman.

The writers were kind of staggeringly criminal in how they portrayed FEMA as the white knight riding in to save the day.  It is very irresponsible to portray the disaster response that way, because since it is on TV, people will believe it.  The truth is, a lot of that federal money  come as loans, not free money, and as a poster upthread mentioned, there is heavy scrutiny to prevent fraud, and the money isn't often the windfall allowing people to rebuild a mansion where their shack once stood.  The compensation is really never enough to get back to what was, let alone allow for palatial reconstructions.  And all too often, the compensation is pathetically small, and very, very late.

The real good news, however, about the declaration of the state of emergency in the wake of the devastating storm, is that there will be plenty of work to be had in the area for carpenters, sheetrockers, and others in the construction trades.  Dan should be able to pick up some of that and earn some real money. 

Next season I'd like to see them explore DJ"s issues a little more.  Unless he has crippling PTSD--which we haven't seen any evidence of--DJ should be able to at least pick up unskilled labor jobs, or open a small engine repair shop working on lawn mowers, vacuums, weed-whackers, snow blowers etc out of the garage.  There's no reason for him to be a full-time stay-at-home-dad.

LOVE the Darlene/Becky dynamic.  I've always hated the Roseanne/Jackie dynamic.  I always wanted Jackie to tell Roseanne to shove it.  But somehow she never did, or if she did Roseanne was always proven right in the end. 

Different state than where the Conners live, but it does explain in better detail how any FEMA money may be spent:

https://www.iowalegalaid.org/resource/how-can-i-use-my-fema-money?ref=ZeLYl

No way would Dan have gotten away with using part of any FEMA money for Roseanne's surgery since you have to keep complete records of how the money was spent. Plus the fact for him and Chuck to get any work due to the flooding damage, they would probably have to be on the FEMA and/or insurance company lists of reliable contractors and repair services list. I would love to see DJ, Chuck and the next door neighbor to go into contractor/construction business together.

[Pallas]

13 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

No way would Dan have gotten away with using part of any FEMA money for Roseanne's surgery since you have to keep complete records of how the money was spent.

As one of 2 - 3 contractors on a $20K job, Dan would likely clear $3K.

[BitterApple]

Regarding Chuck, I think he was most upset that Dan sneakily hired cheaper labor and wasn't up front with his crew. Chuck had to hear it from another contractor at Home Depot. Also, he considered himself a friend and equal partner to Dan, not a fly-by-night laborer you hire for odd jobs. Even though Dan truly felt he had no choice, Chuck's anger and sense of betrayal were justified as well. 

Edited May 23, 2018 by BitterApple

[bigskygirl]

21 minutes ago, Pallas said:

As one of 2 - 3 contractors on a $20K job, Dan would likely clear $3K.

Dan was talking about the money they would get for flooding in the basement and not any contracting job. He said he could do the work himself on his own house and still have money for her surgery. He would have to have receipts for all the work he did on his own home, plus receipts on the work he did not do himself.

Edited May 23, 2018 by bigskygirl

[BeachDays]

Great finale to a very good season.  I can’t wait for next season!!  

[peacheslatour]

Query: Since this was Season 10, will it go into rotation with the rest of the reruns?

[Colorado David]

34 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Regarding Chuck, I think he was most upset that Dan sneakily hired cheaper labor and wasn't up front with his crew. Chuck had to hear it from another contractor at Home Depot. Also, he considered himself a friend and equal partner to Dan, not a fly-by-night laborer you hire for odd jobs. Even though Dan truly felt he had no choice, Chuck's anger and sense of betrayal were justified as well. 

agree, but yeah construction being so competitive it seems very likely a situation that would occur a lot.

[TattleTeeny]

3 hours ago, txhorns79 said:

For me, it was more like how is it that Darlene is contributing nothing?  Even if we start from the proposition that Darlene was broke and could not contribute, she's working now.  Why does her father feel that he must provide for her and her children, and why would Darlene allow him to feel that way? 

Maybe it's part of the manly man thing that Dan's always had. My dada is also broke and I am in my 40s, but that guy refuses to stop doing things to "take care of" me. 

Also, I do not call him "dada"; that was a typo that made me laugh really hard, so I left it!

[BitterApple]

10 minutes ago, TattleTeeny said:

Maybe it's part of the manly man thing that Dan's always had. My dada is also broke and I am in my 40s, but that guy refuses to stop doing things to "take care of" me. 

Also, I do not call him "dada"; that was a typo that made me laugh really hard, so I left it!

Dan not being able to support the family was a sore spot, even on the original show. There was that time he flipped out when Jackie wanted to loan him money, and he always seemed to take it as a personal insult when Bev and Ed would buy the kids presents. There was also an episode during the Lunch Box years where one of the recurring characters (can't remember which one) made a comment that Dan was lucky Roseanne had a business to keep them afloat. For whatever reason, issues concerning money were a major trigger for him.

Edited May 23, 2018 by BitterApple

[peacheslatour]

1 minute ago, BitterApple said:

Dan not being able to support the family was a sore spot, even on the original show. There was that time he flipped out when Jackie wanted to loan him money, and he always seemed to take it as a personal insult when Bev and Ed would buy the kids presents. There was also an episode during the Lunch Box years where one of the recurring characters (can't remember which one) made a comment that Dan was lucky Roseanne had a business to keep them afloat. For whatever reason, it was a trigger for him.

I think it was Chuck.

[bigskygirl]

2 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Dan not being able to support the family was a sore spot, even on the original show. There was that time he flipped out when Jackie wanted to loan him money, and he always seemed to take it as a personal insult when Bev and Ed would buy the kids presents. There was also an episode during the Lunch Box years where one of the recurring characters (can't remember which one) made a comment that Dan was lucky Roseanne had a business to keep them afloat. For whatever reason, it was a trigger for him.

I believe the person who made the comment about the diner was Chuck. Ironic is it not! In the case of Dan wanting to use the non labor guys, he accused someone in an episode before of using the illegals to do a job. I guess it is alright for Dan to use cheaper labor for his benefit, but he will go out and accuse others of doing the same thing when he loses out on a job. Pot calling the kettle black Dan!

[readster]

38 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

I believe the person who made the comment about the diner was Chuck. Ironic is it not! In the case of Dan wanting to use the non labor guys, he accused someone in an episode before of using the illegals to do a job. I guess it is alright for Dan to use cheaper labor for his benefit, but he will go out and accuse others of doing the same thing when he loses out on a job. Pot calling the kettle black Dan!

Dan and Chuck have really caused a lot of problems for themselves over the course of both series. Chuck would trigger Dan when the M word came up. Plus, he would give Dan's thoughts on a great "huge payout one and done jobs." In Dan's mind, he was trying to be not only the breadwinner, but do it to where the family didn't have to worry about money. Up until Roseanne quit Wellman, they didn't worry about money at that stage. Dan's problem, just like Roseanne was not knowing when to say No to something or when they got a windfall, not to go out and spend it all. Ziggy had the same effect on Dan, if it wasn't for Ziggy, Dan wouldn't have really gotten back into motorcycles and wouldn't have later done the Bike Shop, which was more of Ziggy's idea than Dan. What was the problem with Ziggy was that he was never married, had kids, but really he paid out his dues to them and basically just worried about himself. He worked a good Union Job and knew how to make deals on selling bikes. Dan was a great hands on worker and contractor, but him running a business or using his "hobbies" to make a business were lost on him. I see the reversal with Dan and Chuck. Chuck constantly worked on jobs, but he had just one kid to support and Anne Marie worked. He just didn't have any retire or anything and Dan had that when he worked for the city. He gave that up for the prison, when after the bike shop. Should have clued him in on having security and the fact he did enjoy his job. What's sad is now Dan has seen that he never learned from those mistakes and it has cost him and he still feels he has to be the "super husband" with everyone. When really, he doesn't have to be if everyone else would just pitch in. Especially when you are 65. 

[iMonrey]

There seems to be a general consensus that the best thing about this reboot has been Becky and Darlene and I agree. Their little jabs at each other are a nice callback to the original show. My favorite line this episode was Becky telling Darlene: "Why must we be hurtful? I'm just saying that you're not an appealing person."

It's kind of hard to think of Becky and Darlene as being in their 40s, though. They are forever ingrained as children and teenagers from that last 30 years of reruns. It's like seeing Greg Brady at age 64. It's just not . . . right.

Overall I enjoyed the reboot, although I feel like they tried to do a little too much with it. Maybe they'll calm down a bit with more episodes next season. They crammed a little too much social commentary into nine of them.

[Zoe]

1 hour ago, bigskygirl said:

I believe the person who made the comment about the diner was Chuck. Ironic is it not! In the case of Dan wanting to use the non labor guys, he accused someone in an episode before of using the illegals to do a job. I guess it is alright for Dan to use cheaper labor for his benefit, but he will go out and accuse others of doing the same thing when he loses out on a job. Pot calling the kettle black Dan!

The point of that scene was him realizing he had no other choice.  Everyone was going to keep underbidding his at-cost union rates.

[sheetmoss]

3 hours ago, JakeyJokes said:

Natalie West (Crystal) was a series regular 1-4 and recurred through S8. 

This season wasn't perfect but I am impressed that they were able to bring back David, Bev, Chuck, Annemarie, Crystal, and Nancy - especially considering that it went from concept to production so quickly. Sara Gilbert must be really good at schmoozing people on the phone!

From what I remember,  Natalie & Roseann show were on the outs - Natalie wouldn't even do commentary on the DVD's, but Roseanne and Natalie would never diss one another.

As far as I've ever heard, Roseanne was always good to her fellow castmates - it was production she'd have issues with.

[UYI]

I'm surprised no one else has mentioned this:

The audience "awwing" when Roseanne found Nana Mary's favorite hat in the basement made me tear up. I was NOT expecting that reaction at all; it caught me off guard in a good way. RIP Shelley Winters! 

[StaceyNotStacie]

10 minutes ago, UYI said:

I'm surprised no one else has mentioned this:

The audience "awwing" when Roseanne found Nana Mary's favorite hat in the basement made me tear up. I was NOT expecting that reaction at all; it caught me off guard in a good way. RIP Shelley Winters! 

I noticed that when she mentioned the hat. It was amusing when she put the hat on because she really did resemble Nana Mary at that moment. 

[Annber03]

9 hours ago, txhorns79 said:

It was a little strange, given some of Roseanne's positions, that the season ended with the Conners being rescued by money from the federal government. 

Good point. I thought something similar when Roseanne was complaining about the struggle to afford her knee surgery-I kept wanting somebody to point out to her that the guy she supported is the same one who supports efforts to gut the healthcare system in this country, which would make it even harder for her to get any sort of affordable treatment. 

Re: the height thing, I apparently got my height from my dad's side of the family. All the women in his family were on the taller side, whereas the women on my mom's side were shorter. I'm taller than both my mom and my sister, as well as many of my relatives on my mom's side :p. And I'm 5'6", which is, what, average height, I think? 

[peacheslatour]

2 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

Dan was talking about the money they would get for flooding in the basement and not any contracting job. He said he could do the work himself on his own house and still have money for her surgery. He would have to have receipts for all the work he did on his own home, plus receipts on the work he did not do himself.

If he still has his contractor's license, which I'm assuming he does because he's bidding on jobs, he could use his own labor and provide invoices for labor and materials. Whatever he got for his labor could go to pay for Roseanne's surgery.

[bigskygirl]

2 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

If he still has his contractor's license, which I'm assuming he does because he's bidding on jobs, he could use his own labor and provide invoices for labor and materials. Whatever he got for his labor could go to pay for Roseanne's surgery.

I am not understanding what you are saying for his labor. Can he bill himself for his labor? I do not think FEMA would say here is some money for doing the work yourself when you did not hire someone to do the work instead.

[peacheslatour]

3 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

I am not understanding what you are saying for his labor. Can he bill himself for his labor? I do not think FEMA would say here is some money for doing the work yourself when you did not hire someone to do the work instead.

He could do the job and as a professional contractor, his company would provide receipts. 

[bigskygirl]

6 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

He could do the job and as a professional contractor, his company would provide receipts. 

I think Dan said he would do the work himself to save money in order to get money for her surgery. I do not understand how he would get money for doing the work himself even if he is a licensed contractor.

According to FEMA:

Disaster grants should not be used for travel, entertainment, regular living expenses or any discretionary expenses not related to the disaster.

FEMA encourages you to keep your receipts for three years to show how the funds were spent. After every major disaster, FEMA conducts audits of disaster assistance payments to ensure that taxpayer dollars were properly provided by the agency and appropriately used by recipients.

 Dan is being sneaky by saving money from not hiring others to do the work and use a part of the money to pay for Roseanne's surgery the government could come after him. Of course, this would never be brought up on the show.