S10.E07: On an Island

[geauxaway]

Sonja most likely spent as much money on that paint and supplies as a new patio set from Home Depot or Walmart could have cost her.  Really?  Painting over bird poop?  You didn’t even hose them down and sand them a bit?  It didn’t appear to be some high end patio set.  Good grief.

[WireWrap]

1 hour ago, KungFuBunny said:

She said I have that coat...not HAD - but I agree with you it was probably sold off a long time ago

She also said that she "has" a yacht! LOL

44 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

Interesting that even when Ramona tried to stir the pot, Carole didn’t bite.  “I don’t think she used the word puppet.  I think that is your word.”  So I think Ramona is the next girl at the end of the table being talked about by Carol and handmaiden.  The first I remember is Carol with Bethenny doing it to Jules.  Did the same dynamic ever happen with Carol and Heather?

No, Heather/Carole weren't that bad when they were together except when Aviva started ghostwritergate and even then, Heather tried to get Carole to move past it. 

[breezy424]

Well, congrats to Beth and all her work in PR.  Why does she have to ruin it by throwing shade at other organizations?  None of the other money being advertised is getting to the people.  Hey Beth, have you spoken with 'every' person in PR?  Have you've been to 'every' town in PR?  You're the only one doing something?  Really?

I'm confused and maybe someone can correct me?  Last week, didn't Beth tell Doris that she asked him to photo her journey?  Wouldn't that be PR?   Now she's saying Texas?  Adam is rich?  I think she's just pissed off because she was told no.  He couldn't afford it.  And again, why would Beth ask Adam but never asked Carole, who is supposed to be the person who is her friend.

I was team Carole and Tins at the dinner.  Beth is now So's great defender?  Tins hit bottom?  Yeah, emotionally.  Carole was right.  Financially?  I don't think so.  I'm not a Carole fan but Beth just doesn't like to be confronted.  And for Carole to do that?   Carole is supposed to keep her mouth shut and be a good Beth soldier.  As for So,  you were a pretty terrible host with your rules and brown ice cubes.  Tins threw you a party and gave you a 'nice' gift certificate.  And, probably a check from Bravo was thrown in for use of the brownstone.  I think So thought that Tins was going to be her minion.  It didn't turn out that way.

Lu and cabaret - boring.

Ro and So go to Queens - boring. 

Carole's book thing - boring.

Next week at the Berkshires?  Great idea for the murder party.  I'm looking forward to it.

[missy jo]

I think Bethenny is jealous of Carole and Tinsley's new friendship, plain and simple. I'm glad they're not close anymore. I'm one of the few who still like Carole, and I didn't like who she was when she was BFFs with Bethenny. 

[BloggerAloud]

It was super weird watching Bethenny defend Sonja and talk about how bad she felt about her being isolated when a season or two ago, Bethenny was doing the same thing to Sonja when she returned to the show.

[HunterHunted]

10 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

The only reason Bethenny cares is cause she’s trying to get back at Carol it’s just so beyond obvious so Bethennys whole point is mute cause it’s not coming from a place of genuine concern but from a place of tit for tat notice how it became about Carol in the fight and not about Sonja and Tinsley even the other two noticed that sitting at the table. Sonja and Tinsley is Bethennys in at taking jabs at Carol. What more does Tinsley have to do for Sonja? Give a arm give a leg? When she says thank you Sonja being a witch blows it off at this point she has no other storyline other then dragging out oh Tinsley was a bad house guest move the flock on she threw her a freaking thank you party she wrote a 5,000 check at this point she owes Sonja jack. 

This Sonja Tinsley feud needs to stop. Tinsley owes Sonja nothing more. Furthermore, Sonja has been unraveling since season 6. Heather, Bethenny, and Josh have each given Sonja business interventions. We've watched Sonja drunkenly babble about yesteryear. We've seen her house fall into disrepair. We've watched Sonja hit on everything with a penis and bring shady dudes back to her bed. We've watched her come up more profoundly silly "business opportunities." We've watched all of them talk to Sonja about her drinking. WTF is Tinsley supposed to do to fix all of that. Like flowers, chocolates, and gift certificates for a spa was going make a dent in the catastrophe that is Sonja's life. STF Bethenny. If Bethenny cared so damn much about Sonja, she would be helping Sonja out.

[Keywestclubkid]

4 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

This Sonja Tinsley feud needs to stop. Tinsley owes Sonja nothing more. Furthermore, Sonja has been unraveling since season 6. Heather, Bethenny, and Josh have each given Sonja business interventions. We've watched Sonja drunkenly babble about yesteryear. We've seen her house fall into disrepair. We've watched Sonja hit on everything with a penis and bring shady dudes back to her bed. We've watched her come up more profoundly silly "business opportunities." We've watched all of them talk to Sonja about her drinking. WTF is Tinsley supposed to do to fix all of that. Like flowers, chocolates, and gift certificates for a spa was going make a dent in the catastrophe that is Sonja's life. STF Bethenny. If Bethenny cared so damn much about Sonja, she would be helping Sonja out.

It’s like she thinks Tinsley should be forever beholden to Sonja which is ridiculous 

[Martinigirl]

Tinsley's own Mother told her to be nice.  Her Mother asked Sonja to introduce her t the group.

Looks like Adam first said yes....

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No one has to donate & no one has to help at all. When someone who I know well, says yes to come to a devastated territory for a day & then says no bc of no $ it rubs me the wrong way.

[Keywestclubkid]

7 minutes ago, Martinigirl said:

Tinsley's own Mother told her to be nice.  Her Mother asked Sonja to introduce her t the group.

Looks like Adam first said yes....

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No one has to donate & no one has to help at all. When someone who I know well, says yes to come to a devastated territory for a day & then says no bc of no $ it rubs me the wrong way.

When was Tinsley not nice? When she threw the thank you party? When she said thank you 100 times? When she wrote the check or bought the gift card? When she kept her mouth shut has Sonja ran to everyone she could to say what a horrible person Tinsley was and how she was using men and her mother for money? When she wrote a check again that Bethenny burned? I’m confused of when she was this mega horrible person to Sonja and when Sonja was this mother Teresa. .... Sonja has no leg to stand on demanding things from Tinsley  at this point especially with all the smack talk she’s been doing then batting her eyes saying why isn’t she nice to me. 

Edited May 17, 2018 by Keywestclubkid

[Martinigirl]

1 minute ago, Keywestclubkid said:

When was Tinsley not nice? When she threw the party? When she said thank you 100 times? When she wrote the check or bought the gift card? When she kept her mouth shut has Sonja ran to everyone she could to say what a horrible person Tinsley was and how she was using men and her mother for money? 

I didn't say Tinsley wasn't being nice.....I think she's a little spoiled brat.

[Reality police]

21 minutes ago, geauxaway said:

Sonja most likely spent as much money on that paint and supplies as a new patio set from Home Depot or Walmart could have cost her.  Really?  Painting over bird poop?  You didn’t even hose them down and sand them a bit?  It didn’t appear to be some high end patio set.  Good grief.

Hey now, I have that patio set! It's solid wrought iron, 50 years old, and has great patina. I yelled when they painted it. Just scrub it! 

[Jel]

Why does Tinsley always look like the world's oldest nine year old? 

[Mozelle]

31 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

It's a glottalized "t". It's an accent. It's just that simple. It's not a millennial thing nor is it a sign of laziness. It's just an accent. It's been studied in the English language for more than 100 years.

But, HunterHunted, Carole's a writer. She isn't supposed to have a speaking accent.

18 minutes ago, BloggerAloud said:

It was super weird watching Bethenny defend Sonja and talk about how bad she felt about her being isolated when a season or two ago, Bethenny was doing the same thing to Sonja when she returned to the show.

Seriously. It's all convenient now. Bethenny screamed at Sonja in her office, making the woman cry. People were rearranging gatherings so that Sonja and Bethenny wouldn't be in the same place at the same time. Now selfless Bethenny is oh so concerned for Sonja. Hilarity.

[SuprSuprElevated]

Just now, Jel said:

Why does Tinsley always look like the world's oldest nine year old? 

It's definitely her aesthetic, probably her psyche too.

[HunterHunted]

9 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

When was Tinsley not nice? When she threw the thank you party? When she said thank you 100 times? When she wrote the check or bought the gift card? When she kept her mouth shut has Sonja ran to everyone she could to say what a horrible person Tinsley was and how she was using men and her mother for money? When she wrote a check again that Bethenny burned? I’m confused of when she was this mega horrible person to Sonja and when Sonja was this mother Teresa. 

Sonja was completely horrible last season too. She had been talking to the press about EVERYBODY, not just Tinsley. She couldn't stop talking about Dorinda and Luann and Tom. Sonja has been a heinous spiteful hosebeast for 2 seasons. So Tinsley doesn't need to be Captain Save-a-ho for Sonja.

[LilaFowler]

7 minutes ago, Jel said:

Why does Tinsley always look like the world's oldest nine year old? 

I think that's what she's going for. Honestly. Behavior and all.

Bethenny has mentioned "fake eyelashes" in reference to Carole and Tinsley not once but twice. Pure speculation here, but I wonder if Bethenny thinks that Carole has changed (for the worse) since she lodged herself in Tinsley's armpit.

[Neeners]

Oddly, I have noticed Carole's eyelashes this season. Particularly at the breakfast when she was wearing the pjs. Yes, I know - fashion! fashion! But still. I think she looks different than last season.

[geauxaway]

11 minutes ago, Reality police said:

Hey now, I have that patio set! It's solid wrought iron, 50 years old, and has great patina. I yelled when they painted it. Just scrub it! 

No offense intended!  ? I’m sure your patio set is lovely and well taken care of, unlike the one at grey gardens. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

Why do Lu’s outfits get worse each season?

[Reality police]

12 minutes ago, geauxaway said:

No offense intended!  ? I’m sure your patio set is lovely and well taken care of, unlike the one at grey gardens. 

No offense taken, just giving you a hard time.???????

[WireWrap]

15 minutes ago, LilaFowler said:

I think that's what she's going for. Honestly. Behavior and all.

Bethenny has mentioned "fake eyelashes" in reference to Carole and Tinsley not once but twice. Pure speculation here, but I wonder if Bethenny thinks that Carole has changed (for the worse) since she lodged herself in Tinsley's armpit.

 I suspect that Bethenny thought that Carole would just hang around by herself while she was out doing her thing after the hurricanes, she never though Carole would become actual friends with someone else on the show. Bethenny does not like sharing friends.

[ichbin]

16 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

Sonja was completely horrible last season too.

Oh, hell, she doesn't hold the monopoly by any stretch of the imagination.  It's like a tag team.  Bethenny may be  Lady Bountiful and Benevolent at the moment, but give it time.  It wouldn't surprise me if I were to find they draw straws.

[Gem 10]

1 hour ago, pieinmyeye said:

Doing a cabaret show scares the hell out of you Lu? The thought of ever having to see or hear it, scares the hell out of me.

Who the hell ever said she could sing in the first place?  BTW, doesn't she have a court date coming up in Palm Beach? And here she is singing like not a care in the world.  It pays to be famous.  If it were me, I'd probably be in jail.

[WireWrap]

4 minutes ago, Gem 10 said:

Who the hell ever said she could sing in the first place?  BTW, doesn't she have a court date coming up in Palm Beach? And here she is singing like not a care in the world.  It pays to be famous.  If it were me, I'd probably be in jail.

This was filmed before her arrest. LOL They will show her arrest/rehab later on in the season as it happened during filming.

[Keywestclubkid]

5 minutes ago, Gem 10 said:

Who the hell ever said she could sing in the first place?  

Apparently Liza minnelli lol I busted out laughing when she insinuated that 

[BusyOctober]

When I saw the “coming up...” segment of Ramona, Lu and Sonja all suited up in the coveralls, I assumed Sonja wrangled the ladies into cleaning the dog shit off the patio.  Or they were helping her locate more cell phones in toilets.  Or washing her 40 yr old lingerie in the bidet. Or just having afternoon tea on her bodily fluid stained sofa. Actually, it’s probably in the best interest of anyone entering Gray Gardens to don a hazmat suit.  Add the booties and filter mask for extra precautions. And carry one of those blue light wands before touching any surface.

[geauxaway]

3 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

This was filmed before her arrest. LOL They will show her arrest/rehab later on in the season as it happened during filming.

At the dinner argument tonight she was throwing shade at Tinsley for her arrest.  Oh sweet karma.

[HunterHunted]

2 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

More likely it is possible to be lucid even though high.

Really Sonya? If you already had that coat you would have worn it out multiple times on the show

2 hours ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

Or sold it.  Her deluded arrogance is maddening.  

2 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

She said I have that coat...not HAD - but I agree with you it was probably sold off a long time ago

 

 

What's more likely that Sonja has a chinchilla coat that we've never seen  or she hasn't pawned for cash or that a family of chinchillas is living in the walls of Morgan Manor?

At this point, I half believe that learning the heptapod language from the water stains in her house fried Sonja's brain and the past, present, and future have no meaning for her any longer.

[Gem 10]

8 minutes ago, BusyOctober said:

When I saw the “coming up...” segment of Ramona, Lu and Sonja all suited up in the coveralls, I assumed Sonja wrangled the ladies into cleaning the dog shit off the patio.  Or they were helping her locate more cell phones in toilets.  Or washing her 40 yr old lingerie in the bidet. Or just having afternoon tea on her bodily fluid stained sofa. Actually, it’s probably in the best interest of anyone entering Gray Gardens to don a hazmat suit.  Add the booties and filter mask for extra precautions. And carry one of those blue light wands before touching any surface.

OMG .. I'm cracking up.  Laughing so hard, the husband thinks I'm nuts.  They looked like a comedy show.  Three dimwits.  Ha ha ha ha.  Or should I say the Three Stooges?

[absolutelyido]

6 minutes ago, BusyOctober said:

When I saw the “coming up...” segment of Ramona, Lu and Sonja all suited up in the coveralls, I assumed Sonja wrangled the ladies into cleaning the dog shit off the patio.  Or they were helping her locate more cell phones in toilets.  Or washing her 40 yr old lingerie in the bidet. Or just having afternoon tea on her bodily fluid stained sofa. Actually, it’s probably in the best interest of anyone entering Gray Gardens to don a hazmat suit.  Add the booties and filter mask for extra precautions. And carry one of those blue light wands before touching any surface.

I'd consider starting a gofundme for Sonja to have Matt Paxton come in, but I wouldn't want to subject Matt to Sonja's sexual harassment.

(Matt is an 'extreme cleaning specialist' from A&E's Hoarders for those who don't watch it.)

[hoodooznoodooz]

Lu finishes singing “Happy Birthday” for Ben. 

Ben: Beautiful. I love it.

Lu: Nice, right?

[hoodooznoodooz]

10 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

What's more likely that Sonja has a chinchilla coat that we've never seen  or she hasn't pawned for cash or that a family of chinchillas is living in the walls of Morgan Manor?

At this point, I half believe that learning the heptapod language from the water stains in her house fried Sonja's brain and the past, present, and future have no meaning for her any longer.

I had to google heptapod, but this is a brilliant theory. 

[WireWrap]

28 minutes ago, geauxaway said:

At the dinner argument tonight she was throwing shade at Tinsley for her arrest.  Oh sweet karma.

Well, she did that after Tinsley got nasty to her earlier this season. Tinsley has taken up Carole's fight with Luann even though Luann sided with Tinsley on her/Sonja's fight last season. The Bethenny/Carole falling out has had a direct impact on how the others are getting/not getting along. 

[Juneau Gal]

That was a nauseating, but oh so real, change of scenes between Bethenny and Dorinda in Puerto Rico to Ramona and Sonja traveling in the limo to look at fur coats. I was embarrassed for how shallow, petty, and vapid the latter two appeared (and probably are).

I lived in San Juan for several years and the scenes in Puerto Rico broke my heart. It is beyond the pale that people are STILL suffering there. Beyond. 

[PradaKitty]

I am so impressed by Betheny. That segment in Puerto Rico brought me to tears. Also, you can really see how much Dorinda loves children. 

[diadochokinesis]

I haven’t read the comments and I’m not even all the way through the episode but I have to say this...  I have so many conflicting feelings about Dorinda.  When she is sober, I like her.  I’ve finished the Puerto Rico part of the episode and I liked her.  But when she is drunk  and angry, I don’t like that Dorinda.  She is completely a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde person.  Sober Dorinda is nice.  Drunk Dorinda is angry and scary. 

[HunterHunted]

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[hoodooznoodooz]

The editors really do play around with the footage, don’t they. In the scene with Lu and the cabaret director, the sun had set, and then it was late afternoon again. 

[ivygirl]

1 hour ago, HunterHunted said:

Sonja was completely horrible last season too. She had been talking to the press about EVERYBODY, not just Tinsley. She couldn't stop talking about Dorinda and Luann and Tom. Sonja has been a heinous spiteful hosebeast for 2 seasons. So Tinsley doesn't need to be Captain Save-a-ho for Sonja.

Captain Save-a-So[nja]

[hoodooznoodooz]

Beth can also shut it with the Captain-Save-A-SoHo. She never heard Tinsley say Thank You to Sonja? Did Beth not attend the party Tinsley threw for her?

[WireWrap]

3 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Beth can also shut it with the Captain-Save-A-SoHo. She never heard Tinsley say Thank You to Sonja? Did Beth not attend the party Tinsley threw for her?

Yes, she did and she told Sonja that she thought it was a FU/TY party at the party.

[archer1267]

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I want to apologize to Aviva because I think I believe her about the ghostwriter now, tbh. 

I don't think Carole had a ghostwriter. I think Carole got hit with sophomore slump, lack of ambition, and paralysis. One of my favorite books, Straight Man by Richard Russo, involves a writer who fears he only has one good book in him, and can't get to writing his second. 

Look at it this way: her first book, What Remains, was a hit. Regardless of how you feel about Carole or the Kennedys, there's no denying that her book resonated with a LOT of people. And her second book was a frivolous bit of chick lit that didn't do that well. I wouldn't at all be surprised if Carole's scared to try again - what if I don't replicate the success of What Remains? What if I only had that one great book in me and there's no more?

Not everyone can sit down, write all day, and churn out a book with annual regularity, like Stephen King at his writing peak. I remember Donna Tartt disappearing for years after The Secret History. It was her first book, it made many "Best of...." lists, she was profiled in magazines, etc. She was the literary "It Girl" for a while in the 1990s. It would be 10 years before she'd write her second novel, and then another 11 before her third. That's three books in 21 years. I don't think anyone would assume that means that Donna Tartt had help.

Last year I took an essay writing class and my first assignment went off really well during workshopping. It was something I'd been thinking about for some time, and I was able to make a compelling story out of it. But then of course it hit me: what do I write about next? And will people like it as much? What if I don't have more than one good essay in me? And if I felt that way in an adult ed writing class, I can only imagine what it's like for an established writer who hit pay dirt her first time out of the gate, and is asking herself those same questions.

[hoodooznoodooz]

What verb did they bleep out when Carole told her “if you rub my nipples for 30 seconds” story?

[amypdx]

2 hours ago, BloggerAloud said:

The editors on this show always crack me up. The fact that they made sure to show that plastic wine glass/champagne flute falling apart when Carole tapped on it had me screaming. I wrote about on Twitter about how Carole's haircut and general look in her Cosmopolitan scene made me think of Carrie Bradshaw showing up to Vogue after her break-up with Aiden.

OMG - totally! Except Cosmo ain’t no Vogue

Edited May 17, 2018 by amypdx

[WireWrap]

1 hour ago, Mozelle said:

But, HunterHunted, Carole's a writer. She isn't supposed to have a speaking accent.

Seriously. It's all convenient now. Bethenny screamed at Sonja in her office, making the woman cry. People were rearranging gatherings so that Sonja and Bethenny wouldn't be in the same place at the same time. Now selfless Bethenny is oh so concerned for Sonja. Hilarity.

Dorinda felt she needed to disinvite Sonja (season 8) to BlueStone Mannor because if Sonja went, Bethenny refused to go. Also, that season, Bethenny tried to disinvite Luann on the Mexico trip that never happened. Bethenny threatened to not invite Ramona last season (9) to Mexico but production overrode her and Ramona went. Heck, her, Bethenny's first season back she was nasty to Heather and Kristen and then the following season (8), she/Carole were horrid to Jules, talking smack about her while she was sitting at the same table several times that season. Making fun of Jules Hampton's house while in the home, this was in addition to her attacking Sonja over TG and refusing to be around Sonja. For her to now call out Tinsley/Carole for how they don't want to be around Sonja is laughable IMO.  

[Christi]

https://goo.gl/images/D4mszu

Carole def has had work done, but I cant find photos of her now and when she started RH to compare...although I found some really scary ones from 2015

https://goo.gl/images/QrZa8p

I do think her hair and more weight loss are not doing her any favors?

Edited May 17, 2018 by Christi

[SuprSuprElevated]

5 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

What verb did they bleep out when Carole told her “if you rub my nipples for 30 seconds” story?

I thought it looked like come, but it sort of surprises me that Bravo would bleep that?

[WireWrap]

Just now, Christi said:

https://goo.gl/images/D4mszu

IMO, just mine, the digest difference in her face is the lack of weight (fat), her face is hollow/drawn, it's not plastic surgery that caused that.

[HunterHunted]

1 minute ago, WireWrap said:

IMO, just mine, the biggest difference in her face is the lack of weight (fat), her face is hollow/drawn, it's not plastic surgery that caused that.

I agree. She's lost all of that fat in her face, but you can see that the underlying bone structure remains exactly the same.

[hoodooznoodooz]

5 minutes ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

I thought it looked like come, but it sort of surprises me that Bravo would bleep that?

That is what I was thinking, too!