S05.E03: A Life Spent

[paigow]

Daisy decides she will rescue Simmons, even though she must risk everything to do so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv5wEYyIY9o

Promo clip

Edited December 8, 2017 by paigow

[Jediknight]

Watching a teen girl get beat up and tossed around, while she was crying was not something I thought I would see.  That was uncomfortable, but the good news is, she harnessed her powers.  In addition to that, she's also being sold as a slave, and somebody had a gun planted on them.  Going to a space station in the future, will not stop the show from taking a political stance.  It's what comic books and science fiction have always done.

Loved Daisy kicking Kree ass.

[thuganomics85]

Yeah, while I'm sure the worst of it was done by a stunt woman, watching that teen girl getting the shit kicked out of her by that Bane knock-off, was hard to watch. It's weird because I've seen way worst on television, but there was something about it that was so jarring.  I know it was likely on purpose to feel that way, but it won't be any scene I'll be rewatching anytime soon.  At least she harnessed her powers now, but, of course, it ends with her being sold off to this alien played by Rya Kihlstedt, so no one wins here.  With Fitz still MIA, it is clearly up to poor Simmons to be the one that suffers this season.  At least Elizabeth Henstridge is acting the hell out of it.

On the other hand Daisy's fight scene with the Kree was awesome.  Looked like Chloe Bennett did a decent portion of it herself.  Of course, it all ends with her just walking into a trap thanks to Deke ratting her out to Kasius.

So, Sinara/Kasius' henchwoman actually can speak, but I guess she just doesn't like to for reasons.  She sure loves handling those metal balls though (wait, that came out wrong...)

Loved the Coulson/Mack/Melinda trio on a mission, and I'm enjoying how they play off Tess.  Hope she sticks around for a while.  I'm guessing the transmission is going to be from a much older Fitz.

Pruitt Taylor Vince is having way too much fun as Grill.  He loves playing those slimy characters!

I do like how they make Yo-Yo's fast running different from the norm when it comes to superhero speedsters.

Next week: Inhuman Fight Club!!

[Terrafamilia]

Hey, Kasius! If you are going to be sending someone into a trial by combat who you hope will do well, why don't you insure they get at least some basic COMBAT TRAINING?!?

[Jediknight]

2 minutes ago, thuganomics85 said:

Yeah, while I'm sure the worst of it was done by a stunt woman, watching that teen girl getting the shit kicked out of her by that Bane knock-off, was hard to watch. It's weird because I've seen way worst on television, but there was something about it that was so jarring.

Part of it is what's going down right now in Hollywood and politics.  We've got a teen getting beat up, tossed around, abused, crying, while people in a position of power just do nothing, and enjoy watching it.  There was nobody there to protect her, empathize, see that this is a terrible thing, or stand up to the people in power, with the exception of Simmons.

[SnoGirl]

This is...kinda crazy. I love it but man, its depressing. Its different from the Framework, where I was constantly in freakout mode that something was going to happen to someone. Here, its slight freakout with a big helping of “man, what shitty lives these humans lead.” Stupid Kree.

I was not surprised by Deke. Its a every-man for himself scenario. Im more disappointed that Daisy 1)didnt see the double-cross coming 2)didnt Quake the glass the INSTANT it came down. Come on girl, you’re a spy and you’re on the offense. Take it down right away.

At least Deke told Daisy (right in front of the Kree?) he’s playing the long game.

And now there were four. Did I miss it, but did Coulson, May, Yo-Yo or Mack mention that Gemma or Daisy were missing? Mack was right, they split up and now they’re being picked-off one by one (or captured by the Kree, brilliant work guys).

Loved the scene where Yo-Yo runs. Those are always my favorite. And I like her running compared to Flash. Her running look like pulses, which I really like considering she moves in heartbeats. Love that her running made her tracker look like it was going wonky.

I also for SURE thought the transmission was going to be Fitz. Glad to be surprised. Im still hoping to see children/grandchildren related to our heroes.

Didnt Fitz have a theory on timetravel? That it wouldnt matter because if you know what you do will still make whatever you think you’re trying to prevent happen? Does anyone remember what episode that was in? Im curious to see if his theory comes into play at all...

[AimingforYoko]

58 minutes ago, thuganomics85 said:

watching that teen girl getting the shit kicked out of her by that Bane knock-off, was hard to watch.

Yeah, I really felt bad for KittyAbby.

[Jack Kerouac]

Wow. That, with the exception of Daisy's fight, was a total yawn fest. Is this how slow and boring this season is going to be? The cartoon villain Kree, the trodden down humans, the ridiculous woman who keeps fondling her balls (hee hee) - it all adds up to channel surfing.

Someone wake me up when Fitz gets here.

Edited December 9, 2017 by Jack Kerouac

[missbonnie]

Am I the only one who noticed that they kept referring to earthlings as Terrans? Isn't that from Guardians of the Galaxy? 

[Lobsel Vith]

1 hour ago, SnoGirl said:

At least Deke told Daisy (right in front of the Kree?) he’s playing the long game.

I don't have a problem with Deke as an antagonist or a gray hat villain, but I'm hoping slavery isn't one of those things we just let slide because he's an attractive white guy. We had enough problems with the show trying to sell us on Ward in season four.

1 hour ago, SnoGirl said:

Didnt Fitz have a theory on timetravel? That it wouldnt matter because if you know what you do will still make whatever you think you’re trying to prevent happen? Does anyone remember what episode that was in? Im curious to see if his theory comes into play at all...

It's real world science - he explained it in season three, episode fifteen, Spacetime. It has to do with how you can't technically change time because it's already happened, but we look at it from a fourth-dimensional perspective so we only experience events in a linear fashion. The 'multiple world' theory could be applied to explain this as a potential parallel universe (which is one theory on how hypothetical time travel could be possible without a paradox).

26 minutes ago, missbonnie said:

Am I the only one who noticed that they kept referring to earthlings as Terrans? Isn't that from Guardians of the Galaxy? 

Correct. I think that's their terminology for humans.

[Lantern7]

Dang. At this rate, most of the team will be dead, Jemma will have hanged herself in a shower (suicide note: "You didn't hear this coming, but I did, ironically"), and Phil will hold a gun to his head, wondering if the MCU would end because he kinda/sorta helped established it.

2 hours ago, Jediknight said:

Watching a teen girl get beat up and tossed around, while she was crying was not something I thought I would see.  That was uncomfortable, . . .

No shit. Thinking about it, I've seen that in anime. Like watching Videl get pummeled by Spopovich in Dragon Ball Z. Or Taro chasing after Keneki in Tokyo Ghoul. Nice that Inhuman Vision managed to live . . . and then she gets sold like a commodity. Of course. And Jemma's audio gets cut off. If she comes back to Fitz, she'll be as damaged as he was coming out of the Matrix Framework. She would be willing to get marooned on Hive Planet for another long stint than be a Kree handmaiden.

At least the asshole got killed. And Phil is through screwing around. Maybe Daisy will "quake" Deke's nuts off. Here's hoping.

[Affogato]

36 minutes ago, missbonnie said:

Am I the only one who noticed that they kept referring to earthlings as Terrans? Isn't that from Guardians of the Galaxy? 

Terra being a name for Earth ‘Terran’ is a common name for ‘people from earth’ In science fiction/space opera. 

[Affogato]

2 hours ago, Jediknight said:

Part of it is what's going down right now in Hollywood and politics.  We've got a teen getting beat up, tossed around, abused, crying, while people in a position of power just do nothing, and enjoy watching it.  There was nobody there to protect her, empathize, see that this is a terrible thing, or stand up to the people in power, with the exception of Simmons.

Actual question do we believe the family she refers to exist? She seemed to be talking like thee ws a planet left.

[Raja]

6 minutes ago, Affogato said:

Actual question do we believe the family she refers to exist? She seemed to be talking like thee ws a planet left.

I think so. . I remember from before they said that children did not have metrics and aside from the one hiding in the airlock we have not seen any or parents for that matter. Those chosen for the random fight did seem older,  beyond menopause for the woman. The real product of earth's asteroid field seems to be Inhumans. I am thinking the Kree are a criminal gang and not part of whatever governing body that sent soldiers to destroy Inhumans when they started showing up on earth. While they are calling the inhumans "soldiers", as that what was the experiments was supposed to be for, there seems to be a lot of gladiator combat in the MCU galaxy

[AnimeMania]

I have been wondering if Simmons can read lips? Did they say that all the children undergo terragenesis? The little girl seemed happy to be sold, it will make her parent's lives easier.

[Raja]

4 minutes ago, AnimeMania said:

I have been wondering if Simmons can read lips? Did they say that all the children undergo terragenesis? The little girl seemed happy to be sold, it will make her parent's lives easier.

Yes all children upon turning 18.

[AnimeMania]

1 hour ago, Raja said:

 Did they say that all the children undergo terragenesis? 

Yes all children upon turning 18.

Shouldn't that mean that everybody who is an adult should be an Inhuman. Don't all non-Inhumans die from terragenesis? Unless the Earth was only destroyed a few years ago, regular people would still be around, but will soon be extinct.

[dwmarch]

5 hours ago, thuganomics85 said:

She sure loves handling those metal balls though (wait, that came out wrong...)

She certainly isn't neglecting them!

Agreed on the excess brutality. There was a similar scene on Angel way back when with Faith getting her ass handed to her by a monster that was basically a big, muscular rock. But Faith knew what she was getting into and is also a Vampire Slayer with more than five minutes of training! And even that scene was rough. Seeing a tween get beat on like this is a remake of the alley scene in They Live was a little much.

Isn't 616 a significant number in the Marvel comics? Ah, so it would seem:

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Earth-616

[Raja]

4 hours ago, AnimeMania said:

Shouldn't that mean that everybody who is an adult should be an Inhuman. Don't all non-Inhumans die from terragenesis? Unless the Earth was only destroyed a few years ago, regular people would still be around, but will soon be extinct.

The deaths were a result of the Afterlife Inhuman colony basically using a bootleg impure method to create their mist. The impurities from the deviner source caused the deaths. Since Hydra in the Framework worked out a clean method presumably using the contaminated fish as a source, and in a  small closed station being able to reuse a gas either everyone left is like the Inhumans in the royal mines or just unaffected humans.

[paigow]

Mack thinks shooting a guy out of an airlock is murder, but framing a guy so he gets executed is OK...Tess is not the one with a twisted world view...

[Chris24601]

56 minutes ago, paigow said:

Mack thinks shooting a guy out of an airlock is murder, but framing a guy so he gets executed is OK...Tess is not the one with a twisted world view...

To be fair, Mack isn't the one who planted the gun, YoYo was and Mack had that "What did my loved one just do?" shocked look on his face once YoYo spoke up about the gun so no, I don't think its Mack being a hypocrite here.

At least not yet. We'll have to see how he interacts with YoYo to really judge that. Does he talk about what she did and why he things she was wrong or does he give a "you did what you had to" speech. If the former then he's not a hypocrite, if the latter then he sort of is.

But at least until next week I don't think Mack's worldview is twisted just yet.

[Sandman]

I don't care if it's topical, politically relevant or whatever other creepy justification the show offers for it -- that scene of Abby being tortured was bullshit. 

I think I'm done.

[shrewd.buddha]

I think we may sit this arc out : 

• The group is trapped in a bubble universe/time that won't matter once they escape back to the present.
• Everything and everyone is horrible. Is there such a thing as misery porn? 
• Not that interested in Simmons'  Handmaid's Tale   in space (is it a purposeful ripoff ?)
• Some of the group are prison workers (Yo-Yo), while others are running around 'free' (Daisy). Why is that? 
• Are Phil and the gang on Dystopia space-station for a reason? Just an accident? I might be more invested without all the WTF's - especially after 3 episodes.
• Is the main mission to escape or become rebels (Star Wars homage) ? It feels like they are just wandering around in the dark (literally), looking for clues.

Do anyone know how long AoS "In Space !!" is supposed to last? 

Edited December 10, 2017 by shrewd.buddha

[Lady Calypso]

That was a brutal episode in general. Is it just going to be Angst City all season? It's just all so...miserable. The entire future world is miserable. Not very many people are content, besides Kasius and his closest friends. Now, this week, it's kids going through terragenesis and getting sold, AND forced to fight! Fun!

I barely could get through the episode. I'm really not liking this arc. I get the purpose, I respect where they're going, but I'm not into it. 

Deke double crossing Daisy is no surprise. He's known her for all of three days, a week at most, and he doesn't have any loyalty to her. To his knowledge, she's here in this world, but she caused this to happen, and he most likely believes that there's no way this future can be saved, so why work alongside her when he can benefit from her capture? 

Mack/Melinda/Coulson teaming up was pretty cool. I also don't mind Tess. I don't love her, I don't hate her. She's being upfront about her feelings and I don't think she's wrong. In the world she's grown up in, it's been about survival. Mack doesn't understand that, which is why he feels like he can judge her about the killing. It's wrong to kill, sure, but the world Tess grew up in involved a whole lot of killing and sacrifice. So, for her, she doesn't know any better than that. 

Yeah, I'm gonna need Fitz to show up soon to rescue them. Also, if they can leave Deke behind but bring Tess, that would be much appreciated. 

[Sandman]

Besides, I've already seen Rya Kihlstedt do her icy bitch number. I have no interest in seeing it again.

Edited December 9, 2017 by Sandman
Bored now!

[Chaos Theory]

SPARTACUS!  SPARTACUS!!!   Wait wrong show.  Still I like the idea of Inhumans fighting each other.  It’s a neat plot.  Hey Daisy when a guy keeps telling you not to trust him..,,don’t trust him.  I am not sure what to make of Deke.  Right now I wouldn’t mind seeing him die.

Funny everyone keeps asking about Fitz.  I keep having to be reminded he is missing and I like the character.

The Coulson/Melinda/Yo-yo/Mack plot is fun but I am really interested in the Simmons plot.   

I am so in for the season.

[Raja]

17 minutes ago, Chaos Theory said:

  Hey Daisy when a guy keeps telling you not to trust him..,,don’t trust him.  I am not sure what to make of Deke.  Right now I wouldn’t mind seeing him die.

 

 

I am reminded of Lando in Empire Strikes Back

[paigow]

33 minutes ago, Raja said:

I am reminded of Lando in Empire Strikes Back

"Dollar Tree Lando" (Hard to find a cape for less than a dollar....)

[paigow]

1 hour ago, Chaos Theory said:

SPARTACUS!  SPARTACUS!!!   Wait wrong show.  Still I like the idea of Inhumans fighting each other.  

Daisy can beat variable molecular density girl...Kasius can win the Gladiator Games and leave Dystopia Station behind....

[Affogato]

11 hours ago, Raja said:

I think so. . I remember from before they said that children did not have metrics and aside from the one hiding in the airlock we have not seen any or parents for that matter. Those chosen for the random fight did seem older,  beyond menopause for the woman. The real product of earth's asteroid field seems to be Inhumans. I am thinking the Kree are a criminal gang and not part of whatever governing body that sent soldiers to destroy Inhumans when they started showing up on earth. While they are calling the inhumans "soldiers", as that what was the experiments was supposed to be for, there seems to be a lot of gladiator combat in the MCU galaxy

Honestly I ended up missing the last two seasons and haven't caught up so I'm sort of floating around trying to figure out what is going on. I think you are right, the kree seem to be more like criminal gangs looking for weapons to sell on the galactic market than anything else. 

there is the Endor's game idea, that the 'soldiers' may not be told the truth about what they are doing. 

Not sure I know enough about it to really comment. 

Edited December 9, 2017 by Affogato

[Chaos Theory]

1 hour ago, Chaos Theory said:

SPARTACUS!  SPARTACUS!!!   Wait wrong show.  Still I like the idea of Inhumans fighting each other.  It’s a neat plot.  

 

12 minutes ago, paigow said:

Daisy can beat variable molecular density girl...Kasius can win the Gladiator Games and leave Dystopia Station behind....

I am thinking a more literal interpretation of the plot.  Daisy literally becomes Spartacus and after beating a few Inhumans unites them and becomes their leader in a rebellion.  I always felt it was a lost plot of Daisy not really being a leader of Inhumans even a small band of them.  

[Lantern7]

5 hours ago, shrewd.buddha said:

• Everything and everyone is horrible. Is there such a thing as misery porn? 

 

Three words: The Walking Dead. I watched until it piled up on the DVR, then I was all, "Fuck it" and let it go.

And yeah, is there an episode limit for Agents of SHIELD: Fucked. In. Sppppppaaaaaaaaaccccccccce?

[paigow]

1 hour ago, Chaos Theory said:

Daisy literally becomes Spartacus and after beating a few Inhumans unites them and becomes their leader in a rebellion.   

Not a Happy Ending for Spartacus though.....

[Senna]

I will be very happy when we get to see whatever Fitz is up to in present day (assuming we do ...). From the Inhuman Hunger Games to the constant living-in-fear and hopelessness, this arc is just too depressing.

[sjohnson]

Little women beating up big men is, I've been forced to conclude, to a large degree a sexual fantasy. I suppose little girls can be watching and thinking "I want to beat guys up!" But I'm afraid I really imagine guys thinking, "Sexy!" Doesn't look believable to me, especially May with a giant hole in her leg. Lampshades don't always stop the glare. 

The idea that Abby could compose her mind after her head is bounced around is why her fight scene looked so much like gratuitous woman beating, in my opinion.

The multiverse theory says this Daisy isn't the world-killer. The future people deciding to erase their existence by sending Daisy back in time prepped to *not* become the world-killer seems like an interesting story to me. Except that AoS pretty much always ignores other people in favor of the regular cast being the only ones who win, bigger and bigger and bigger, except they still suffer more and more and more. Again, my opinion/

[paigow]

57 minutes ago, sjohnson said:

The idea that Abby could compose her mind after her head is bounced around is why her fight scene looked so much like gratuitous woman beating, in my opinion.

 

Abby was "stressed" to unleash her power...much like the abuse that Wade Wilson endured to trigger the Deadpool mutation. Kasius hoped that survival instinct would force her Inhuman side to fight. 

[Raja]

On The Gifted they are also using the stress test to make powers emerge trope on even younger characters 

[sjohnson]

Well, I was apparently overly influenced by the dialogue where Gemma tells Abby to imagine the stars, and she did so while looking like a girl doing yoga. That just seemed so opposite to the kind of "put the brain in neutral and let the instincts take over!" approach, I got confused, evidently. It just looked like it was really, really hard to imagine an internal galaxy with your head ringing like a bell.. But maybe I just have a slow imagination.

Edited December 10, 2017 by sjohnson

[chitowngirl]

I was hoping The Hulk was going to come out as the one Abby was going to have to fight.

[Jediknight]

3 hours ago, chitowngirl said:

I was hoping The Hulk was going to come out as the one Abby was going to have to fight.

And then Korg shows up.

Edited December 10, 2017 by Jediknight

[Affogato]

19 hours ago, sjohnson said:

Well, I was apparently overly influenced by the dialogue where Gemma tells Abby to imagine the stars, and she did so while looking like a girl doing yoga. That just seemed so opposite to the kind of "put the brain in neutral and let the instincts take over!" approach, I got confused, evidently. It just looked like it was really, really hard to imagine an internal galaxy with your head ringing like a bell.. But maybe I just have a slow imagination.

My admittedly minor experience is that breaking a board with my bare fist is a learned meditative channel of my strength but adrenaline works too.

Edited December 10, 2017 by Affogato

[Kromm]

On 12/9/2017 at 0:51 PM, Chaos Theory said:

 

I am thinking a more literal interpretation of the plot.  Daisy literally becomes Spartacus and after beating a few Inhumans unites them and becomes their leader in a rebellion.  I always felt it was a lost plot of Daisy not really being a leader of Inhumans even a small band of them.  

I think you mean "figuratively" but okay. It's not a bad theory otherwise.  That said, since I'm sure the Kree make them fight to the death I doubt the other Inhumans will be in a unifying mood after Daisy has to kill a bunch of them. 

On 12/9/2017 at 4:09 AM, dwmarch said:

Isn't 616 a significant number in the Marvel comics? 

616 IS the Marvel Universe.  At least the default one.

On 12/9/2017 at 1:25 AM, AnimeMania said:

I have been wondering if Simmons can read lips? 

There's a heavy implication she can. The problem is because the only characters she can talk to now are enemies or other people she has no reason to share this with, there's no way for exposition revealing that fact to happen yet.

[Kromm]

On 12/9/2017 at 0:12 AM, missbonnie said:

Am I the only one who noticed that they kept referring to earthlings as Terrans? Isn't that from Guardians of the Galaxy? 

It's a term that comes from the Latin word for Earth, and is still the word in most of the Romance languages. It's use in English-language Sci-Fi goes at least back to the 1950s from Robert Heinlein in Starship Troopers I believe. Maybe even earlier from Buck Rodgers or Flash Gordon or one of those things, but of course Jules Verne likely used it first, seeing as how he wrote in French.

Edited December 10, 2017 by Kromm

[Raja]

3 minutes ago, Kromm said:

I think you mean "figuratively" but okay. It's not a bad theory otherwise.  That said, since I'm sure the Kree make them fight to the death I doubt the other Inhumans will be in a unifying mood after Daisy has to kill a bunch of them. 

Mac will be in her ear, if not ABC Disney, saying we are SHIELD. Notice that the gladiator looked to his master for the kill decision before the Inhuman girl got control of her power. Fights to the death are probably a main event pay per view thing and only used during auditions instead of sending kinds to Black Bolt's mine for what they see as totally worthless Inhumans.

[paigow]

1 hour ago, Raja said:

Notice that the gladiator looked to his master for the kill decision before the Inhuman girl got control of her power.

Daisy could end up as Spartacus or Maximus or Kit Harrington in Pompeii. 

Spartacus: Fail to kill big bad [Crassus], all surviving followers crucified

Maximus: Kill big bad [Commodus], die with honour, surviving followers freed

Kit Harrington: Kill big bad [Kiefer!!], everybody dies anyway due to apocalypse

[missbonnie]

2 hours ago, Kromm said:

It's a term that comes from the Latin word for Earth, and is still the word in most of the Romance languages. It's use in English-language Sci-Fi goes at least back to the 1950s from Robert Heinlein in Starship Troopers I believe. Maybe even earlier from Buck Rodgers or Flash Gordon or one of those things, but of course Jules Verne likely used it first, seeing as how he wrote in French.

I'm aware of this, what I am referring to is, is this the first time it's come up in AoS? 

[Raja]

8 minutes ago, missbonnie said:

I'm aware of this, what I am referring to is, is this the first time it's come up in AoS? 

It will take someone with a MCU history degree but we have had Lady Sif and a Kree on before and in the intergalactic MCU world they normally used Terran

[tarheel220]

I finally watched both episodes last night.  Haven't been able to with being busy.  However, afterwards I told my husband "That was weird.  I want to know what the writers were on when they came up with this."  The whole storyline with Simmons and Kasius makes me uncomfortable.  

[blackwing]

I found this episode slow and boring.  I confess that I have no idea what is going on.  

Coulson, Mack, and Elena met up with some middle aged guy.  That guy died.  So they took his place in some similarly looking middle aged guy's slave quarry, or something like that?   I think May is with them although I don't seem to notice if she is in the slave scenes.

Jemma got kidnapped by some Kree guy and now she's a slave who can only hear when he deactivates her white noise ear thing.   She gets threatened by female Asian Kree with her orbiting balls of death.

Daisy is trying to find Jemma and meets up with Bradley Cooper.  Bradley gives her info about her role in this universe as the Destroyer of Worlds.  She slaps him.  Then she gets betrayed by him.

Fitz is still at the diner.

No idea where any of this is going. It's just weird.  I love the space setting but not so thrilled with the tired dystopian themes.

[Chaos Theory]

I know I will probably be in the minority but this kind of dystopian storyline is right up my Ally.  I am really enjoying Jemna’s Storyline the most right now because like the uhhh Blue lady said she has compassion and to be filled with such compassion as Jemma has and be struck silent is the kind of nightmare scenario that works in science fiction shows.  

Plus I like the whole Gladiator thing going on.  And The question of is Daisy actually responsible for the destruction of Earth or is there something else at play.  

This season so far really is working for me.