Avengers: Infinity War (2018)

[Smad]

21 minutes ago, VCRTracking said:

Quill hitting Thanos was actually about 4 seconds, which Mantis to break connection, then Tony let go of Thanos' arm to try and restrain Quill. After that it was another 5 seconds before Thanos woke up.  Drax was still holding on to his legs, and I think Nebula was too sad about Gamora herself.

It's the whole scene, long before Quill even becomes physical. From his stupid 'my plan' cockiness, to his interrogation of Thanos to him finally freaking out and losing it. It just drags on. People (myself included) are wondering why everyone else is trying to be useful while Quill is just standing there talking to Thanos (which could hinder Mantis from keeping him under and make it possible for Thanos to snap out of it). Once Thanos is under thanks to Mantis, everyone there could have stopped Quill long before he started hitting Thanos. Nebula was just useless to the point where I wondered why they bothered to have her there at all. Her whole reason for being there seemed to be to only tell Quill at the wrong time that Gamora was dead so they could get to the plot part where Quill freaks out. And then she just stands around. So damn stupid.

[Cobalt Stargazer]

2 hours ago, Smad said:

Nebula was just useless to the point where I wondered why they bothered to have her there at all. Her whole reason for being there seemed to be to only tell Quill at the wrong time that Gamora was dead so they could get to the plot part where Quill freaks out. And then she just stands around. So damn stupid.

All things considered, I prefer Nebula being poleaxed, and I think that's in character. When she contacted Mantis and said 'meet me on Titan' my headcanon is that she thought she could get there in time, or even that Gamora could talk Thanos out of it. Because the first thing she does is attack Thanos straight on, so my story is that she thought her sister would still be alive by the time she got there, that maybe she could help save her.

[VCRTracking]

3 hours ago, Smad said:

Once Thanos is under thanks to Mantis, everyone there could have stopped Quill long before he started hitting Thanos.

Thanos wasn't completely subdued. Even while under Mantis' power they still were struggling with him.

3 hours ago, Smad said:

It's the whole scene, long before Quill even becomes physical. From his stupid 'my plan' cockiness, to his interrogation of Thanos to him finally freaking out and losing it. It just drags on.

It's 15 seconds.

Edited June 2, 2018 by VCRTracking

[Smad]

44 minutes ago, VCRTracking said:

Thanos wasn't completely subdued. Even while under Mantis' power they still were struggling with him.

And it would have been easier for Mantis if Quill had shut up instead of engaging Thanos in conversation. Because that way Thanos got a distraction he could focus on and make it harder for Mantis to subdue him.

47 minutes ago, VCRTracking said:

It's 15 seconds.

It's over 1 minute actually. From the moment the others have Thanos and Quill touches down to be his douchbaggy, cocky and narcissistic self ( 'for the record this was my plan') to the first time Quill hits Thanos, it's over 1 minute of screen time. And it's almost 30 seconds between Nebula ending her 'Gamora is dead speech' to the first hit Quill lands. Oodles of time for any of the characters to stop Quill.

[Kel Varnsen]

5 hours ago, Smad said:

And it would have been easier for Mantis if Quill had shut up instead of engaging Thanos in conversation. Because that way Thanos got a distraction he could focus on and make it harder for Mantis to subdue him.

 

Honestly I am not even 100% convinced that the plan to get the gauntlet off of Thanos would have worked even without Quill freaking out.

[Smad]

1 hour ago, Kel Varnsen said:

Honestly I am not even 100% convinced that the plan to get the gauntlet off of Thanos would have worked even without Quill freaking out.

Why not? The thing was almost off. Strange could have then dropped the gauntlet into a portal. Thanos also can't fly as far as I know so how would he catch Iron Man if he decided to fly off with it? And Thanos doesn't seem all that powerful without the stones, so killing him could probably be done by the whole group. Of course Strange could have used a multitude of ways to stop Thanos. Do the same thing Wong did, close a portal around Thanos' arm to cut it off. Dormmamuh was way more powerful than Thanos and Strange beat him with the Time stone and trickery. Strange didn't even bother to use the stone against Thanos. I know people excuse all the stupidity in this movie with 'it had to happen that way because plot' but I can't. You can tell a story without retcons, characters being out of character, nerfing powers and not discarding logic. And you probably shouldn't act like the most technologically advanced nation on Earth in 2018 is reenacting the 300 movie. I could go on but the writing for this movie is just bad. But again it's not surprising to me. Civil War had the same problems with the writing and it is the same writers.

[VCRTracking]

10 hours ago, Smad said:

It's over 1 minute actually. From the moment the others have Thanos and Quill touches down to be his douchbaggy, cocky and narcissistic self ( 'for the record this was my plan') to the first time Quill hits Thanos, it's over 1 minute of screen time. And it's almost 30 seconds between Nebula ending her 'Gamora is dead speech' to the first hit Quill lands. Oodles of time for any of the characters to stop Quill.

The 15 seconds was Quill finds out about Gamora to him hitting Thanos. Why would they stop trying to take off the glove to stop Quill who was just gloating most of that minute? The Avengers let Tony be a cocky asshole, why should he stop someone else? Quill is a stranger to Tony so he doesn't  know he's a bigger loose cannon than he is. He does know Quill cares about Gamora so when it's revealed Thanos killed her he is perceptive enough to tell Quill "Don't engage!" but he's still  concentrating on taking the glove off until Quill starts hitting Thanos.

 

10 hours ago, Smad said:

And it would have been easier for Mantis if Quill had shut up instead of engaging Thanos in conversation. Because that way Thanos got a distraction he could focus on and make it harder for Mantis to subdue him.

Honestly, everybody should have not said anything! LOL! Mantis yelling "He mourns!" Drax asking "What does this monster have to mourn?!" and then Nebula guessing Gamora.   Fact was, Thanos was ridiculously strong in this movie. The writers said that he didn't even need the power stone to beat the Hulk. That was all on his own. Mantis could put an entire living planet asleep but Thanos was able to resist long enough to allow that whole conversation to happen.

Edited June 2, 2018 by VCRTracking

[Wynterwolf]

9 minutes ago, VCRTracking said:

Fact was Thanos was ridiculously strong in this movie. The writers said that he didn't even need the power stone to beat the Hulk. That was all on his own. Mantis could put an entire living planet asleep but Thanos was able to resist long enough to allow that whole conversation to happen.

Right?  I still suspect that if they had gotten the glove off (and there's no guarantee he wouldn't have been able to get it back from them fairly easily, even if they had gotten it off of him for a moment), Thanos would have just killed all of them and simply taken the Time Stone.  Then Strange's 'one chance' would have been gone, because Tony and Nebula would have been dead too.  Quill's actions might well have actually saved Tony and Nebula, allowing them the opportunity to fight another day.  Strange did seem to think that Tony was pretty important.   Plus the way it happened means that Peter and Strange and the Guardians were dusted, rather than straight up killed... which I'm hoping will be significant in how they undo it in A4.  Wheels within wheels.  

[VCRTracking]

I've seen a lot of Lebron-JR Smith related memes the past few days but I love this one:

[Smad]

3 hours ago, VCRTracking said:

The 15 seconds was Quill finds out about Gamora to him hitting Thanos. Why would they stop trying to take off the glove to stop Quill who was just gloating most of that minute? The Avengers let Tony be a cocky asshole, why should he stop someone else? Quill is a stranger to Tony so he doesn't  know he's a bigger loose cannon than he is. He does know Quill cares about Gamora so when it's revealed Thanos killed her he is perceptive enough to tell Quill "Don't engage!" but he's still  concentrating on taking the glove off until Quill starts hitting Thanos.

It's 30 seconds between Nebula's announcement and Quill's first hit. And speaking of Nebula, she wasn't doing anything else. So fine none of the others stop Quill, she could have. Because silly me thought her goal was to kill Thanos and she knows the glove needs to come off for that. And Tony abandons his pulling off the glove to get Quill to stop anyway, so why not sooner.

3 hours ago, VCRTracking said:

Fact was, Thanos was ridiculously strong in this movie. The writers said that he didn't even need the power stone to beat the Hulk. That was all on his own. Mantis could put an entire living planet asleep but Thanos was able to resist long enough to allow that whole conversation to happen.

Eh.Thanos, like every superhero or villain in a CBM, had the power he needed in any given scene. He squashes Hulk like a bug but the likes of Spidey, Tony and Drax can hold him. Gamora thought she could kill him with a simple sword and a dagger which is how she did it even though it wasn't real. She should know better than anyone what can and can't hurt Thanos but that just brings us back to the fact that she doesn't know her adoptive father at all apparently. Strange was doing fine on his own against Thanos and nothing prevented him from pulling Wong's move on him. The only reason he didn't and why he didn't make more use of the Time stone is because....plot. There is no logical reason why, it just is because the plot demanded it. And it's frankly stupid.

Mantis being able to only partially restrain Thanos is probably due to the stones but that just makes me wonder. Why didn't Scarlet Witch attempt to put Thanos under? It's so very convenient how she apparently lost her mind control powers after AoU. Because she could have done that to Proxima and Corvus and escaped with Vision without much fuss. She could have also attempted it on Thanos.

[VCRTracking]

3 hours ago, Smad said:

It's 30 seconds between Nebula's announcement and Quill's first hit. And speaking of Nebula, she wasn't doing anything else. So fine none of the others stop Quill, she could have. Because silly me thought her goal was to kill Thanos and she knows the glove needs to come off for that. And Tony abandons his pulling off the glove to get Quill to stop anyway, so why not sooner.

I chalk it up to her mourning Gamora herself.

 

3 hours ago, Smad said:

Mantis being able to only partially restrain Thanos is probably due to the stones but that just makes me wonder. Why didn't Scarlet Witch attempt to put Thanos under? It's so very convenient how she apparently lost her mind control powers after AoU. Because she could have done that to Proxima and Corvus and escaped with Vision without much fuss. She could have also attempted it on Thanos.

Her mind power if I remember it requires her to be extremely close to the person's head so I don't blame her for using her telekinesis to keep him far away from herself as possible instead. I would! Also I do think she decided not to use her mindmessing abilities anymore because she was trying to reform from her villainous ways in AoU.

[Lantern7]

Found this on Facebook . . . five ways Thanos could have been defeated. I don't get #4.

[BetterButter]

3 hours ago, Lantern7 said:

I don't get #4.

That was John Wick.

[blueray]

4 hours ago, BetterButter said:

That was John Wick.

Who? I didn't get that one either.

I liked that list. Though I think that Thanos probably had some sort of shield to prevent Dr. Strange from make portals on him. Also he had the reality stone, so if Thanos realized what he was trying to do he might be able make him think it worked before it actually did. I think that the Cap one will play a rule in the next movie, as he did almost get it off. And the one where Tony shots Quill was funny lol. Anyhow thanks for posting.

Edited June 3, 2018 by blueray

[BetterButter]

7 minutes ago, blueray said:

Who? I didn't get that one either.

 

[johntfs]

Well, to be fair, the Marvel Universe does have it's own version of John Wick...

[Which Tyler]

On 29/04/2018 at 4:35 PM, Lugal said:

I agree, head or heart, they both would have killed, but the heart shot gave Thanos enough time to close his fist, and change everything.

I just watched this last night, so I know I'm late to the party, and this may have been addressed already, but... did Thor know about the necessity of stopping Thanos from closing his fist? From what I remember, Tony/Strange/Quill gang worked that out whilst Thanos was monologuing at them, but  either the Thor/Rocket/Groot crew, nor the Cap/T'Challa/Vision crew had the chance to know that.

Edited June 5, 2018 by Which Tyler

[Smad]

4 hours ago, Which Tyler said:

I just watched this last night, so I know I'm late to the party, and this may have been addressed already, but... did Thor know about the necessity of stopping Thanos from closing his fist? From what I remember, Tony/Strange/Quill gang worked that out whilst Thanos was monologuing at them, but  either the Thor/Rocket/Groot crew, nor the Cap/T'Challa/Vision crew had the chance to know that.

 

Gamora explained it after they rescued Thor from space. "If he gets all the infinity stones, he can do it with a snap of his fingers.". So Thor knew and his reaction bears that out. Because when Thanos snaps his fingers, Thor screams 'NO!'. Thor knew exactly what had just happened there. And he could have stopped it.

Edited June 5, 2018 by Smad

[Raja]

7 hours ago, Which Tyler said:

I just watched this last night, so I know I'm late to the party, and this may have been addressed already, but... did Thor know about the necessity of stopping Thanos from closing his fist? From what I remember, Tony/Strange/Quill gang worked that out whilst Thanos was monologuing at them, but  either the Thor/Rocket/Groot crew, nor the Cap/T'Challa/Vision crew had the chance to know that.

Besides Thor is a professional soldier, and at that range you shoot for center of mass. I can see the scene when the comic book spoof movie comes out when the shot goes wide left

[mattie0808]

50 minutes ago, Raja said:

Besides Thor is a professional soldier, and at that range you shoot for center of mass. I can see the scene when the comic book spoof movie comes out when the shot goes wide left

That's what I'm saying! I don't quite see why Thanos' taunt is taken as true or why Thor is considered to have done the wrong thing. What he did wound up not working, but that doesn't mean his approach was wrong. I'd think it's more showing off (if that's even what Thor was doing at all, and I'm not convinced) to go for the head because you really raise the chance that you might miss, either completely or enough to make the hit not fatal. It's easier/quicker to move a head out of the way instead of a torso, and you're giving yourself a considerably smaller target. *And* Thanos was shooting a full-on blast from the gauntlet at Thor as Thor came flying in -- a blast from all six infinity stones, no less, that Thor's axe was able to block/absorb, so good job Tyrion -- even more reason for Thor not to try to specifically go for a smaller target (Thanos' head or hand) in trying to kill him. 

Edited June 5, 2018 by mattie0808

[Browncoat]

2 hours ago, mattie0808 said:

even more reason for Thor not to try to specifically go for a smaller target (Thanos' head or hand) in trying to kill him. 

Until the next installment, when Thor will remember the advice to go for the head after time has been reversed and everyone's been un-dusted, and will kill Thanos with a head shot.

[mattie0808]

^^^Maybe. (Though I doubt Thor is going to be the one to truly kill/finish off Thanos.) I'm just saying it doesn't make his actions in IW incorrect, or the product of showing off or whatever; he single-handedly got the kill shot in, which more than any of the rest of the heroes can claim!

[Jeebus Cripes]

15 hours ago, mattie0808 said:

That's what I'm saying! I don't quite see why Thanos' taunt is taken as true or why Thor is considered to have done the wrong thing. What he did wound up not working, but that doesn't mean his approach was wrong. I'd think it's more showing off (if that's even what Thor was doing at all, and I'm not convinced) to go for the head because you really raise the chance that you might miss, either completely or enough to make the hit not fatal. It's easier/quicker to move a head out of the way instead of a torso, and you're giving yourself a considerably smaller target. *And* Thanos was shooting a full-on blast from the gauntlet at Thor as Thor came flying in -- a blast from all six infinity stones, no less, that Thor's axe was able to block/absorb, so good job Tyrion -- even more reason for Thor not to try to specifically go for a smaller target (Thanos' head or hand) in trying to kill him. 

I've only seen the film once and was so overwhelmed by it all that I don't think I noticed Thanos was shooting a blast at Thor. Good to know.

[Wynterwolf]

7 hours ago, Jeebus Cripes said:

I've only seen the film once and was so overwhelmed by it all that I don't think I noticed Thanos was shooting a blast at Thor. Good to know.

Yeah, I didn't really pick that up until the second viewing either.  That was why I was so impressed he had been able to hit Thanos at all... and why I thought Thanos' jib about going for the head was kind of false bravado.  He was relieved that he wasn't dead, like he had been able to 'pass another test' and this one had almost gotten him.  

[JessePinkman]

Thanos survived an axe to the chest, who's to say he wouldn't have survived one to the head? It was, like @Wynterwolf said, him just talking smack.

[Lantern7]

1 hour ago, JessePinkman said:

Thanos survived an axe to the chest, who's to say he wouldn't have survived one to the head? It was, like @Wynterwolf said, him just talking smack.

So you don’t think Mack from Agents of SHIELD could settle Thanos’ hash with the shotgun-axe? That’s an oft-repeated fantasy of mine. ?

[blueray]

6 hours ago, Wynterwolf said:

Yeah, I didn't really pick that up until the second viewing either.  That was why I was so impressed he had been able to hit Thanos at all... and why I thought Thanos' jib about going for the head was kind of false bravado.  He was relieved that he wasn't dead, like he had been able to 'pass another test' and this one had almost gotten him.  

I think that he was just messing with Thor. At that point he had all the stones, so it is impressive that Thor got a shot in at all. However, unfortunately it wasn't a a fatal shot.

[mattie0808]

3 hours ago, blueray said:

I think that he was just messing with Thor. At that point he had all the stones, so it is impressive that Thor got a shot in at all. However, unfortunately it wasn't a a fatal shot.

It wasn’t an *IMMEDIATELY* fatal shot. I think it was a fatal shot (especially as Thor shoved it in!). Just not so 100% fatal to be instant, so Thanos knew he could snap his fingers. That’s not a fault of Thor.

[VCRTracking]

[Jeebus Cripes]

2 hours ago, VCRTracking said:

That just might be the best Yo Mama joke ever.

[VCRTracking]

[Cobalt Stargazer]

It's an interesting video, but I think the narrator watched a different movie than I did. Thanos may insist that his motives are altruistic, but I forget who he tells that he wants to see the sun set 'on a grateful universe'. He wants to be seen as a savior when he's the total opposite, and if he believes his own delusion to the point that the universe was conned into giving him the Soul Stone, maybe that's how it gets reversed later.

On a different note, I hope it takes everyone else less time than it took me to get this joke:

[Jeebus Cripes]

I don't get it...

[Vera]

44 minutes ago, Jeebus Cripes said:

I don't get it...

Drax.

[frenchtoast]

5 hours ago, Jeebus Cripes said:

I don't get it...

Drax can be so still, he's invisible. 

[starri]

[Jeebus Cripes]

I completely forgot about the Drax being invisible scene! LOL.

[Morrigan2575]

23 hours ago, frenchtoast said:

Drax can be so still, he's invisible. 

Thanks for the explanation I totally didn't get it

[Dee]

Avengers: Infinity War hits box-office milestone with $2 billion global take

Quote

Whoa! Break out the champagne, set Tony's spare Iron Man suits to "Kick-line Mode," and put your hands together for Disney and Marvel Studios' AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR which has cleared the $2 billion mark at the worldwide box office! With so many dollars earned for the superhero ensemble adventure, Infinity War is now the fourth film in history to achieve this milestone, and the first summer blockbuster to do so, when not adjusting for inflation.

Infinity War was declared a $2 billion earner on Monday, after 48 days of dominating theaters. The film now boasts a global total of $2.002 billion, including $656.1 million in North America and $1.346 billion overseas. According to the numbers, Infinity War now stands as the fifth-biggest title of all time domestically, and the third-biggest internationally. The total includes a near-$370 million take from China, where Marvel's latest adventure is now the third-largest Western film of all time.

Edited June 12, 2018 by Dee

[VCRTracking]

Seeing Tony in his nifty nano-tech "Bleeding Edge" armor in this movie made realize how much DC dropped the ball with the Green Lantern movie.

[calliope1975]

30 minutes ago, VCRTracking said:

Seeing Tony in his nifty nano-tech "Bleeding Edge" armor in this movie made realize how much DC dropped the ball with the Green Lantern movie.

One of my favorite things about the MCU has been watching Tony's suit evolve over 10 years. 

[Raja]

I guess I am the heretic, I think the Iron Man armor was cooler in The Avengers when you could see retro rockets firing and flaps deploying to keep it stable in flight than the later additions that can do anything., Rivaling a Green Lantern's ring in Infinity War.

[Dandesun]

16 hours ago, calliope1975 said:

One of my favorite things about the MCU has been watching Tony's suit evolve over 10 years. 

I love it too. It totally encompasses Tony's need to make things better... his engineering amped up to 11. My father was an engineer and while it was extremely frustrating at times when you just wanted ONE answer for something it was also hilarious because he could come up with at least three different ways to do one thing. Also, it's one of the things I really liked about Iron Man 3... that Tony's PTSD just accelerated everything and so he spent sleepless nights building better and better suits and figuring out how to make them work better... and how Tony's brain figured out how to rescue 10 people from the plane explosion when he knew he couldn't carry them all to safety. Tony's brain is wonderful.

And he's expanded into the various Spider suits, too. "Mr. Stark! It smells like new car in here!"

Because OF COURSE Tony would design a Spider suit that could take Peter to space.

[calliope1975]

11 minutes ago, Dandesun said:

Because OF COURSE Tony would design a Spider suit that could take Peter to space.

Can you imagine what he's going to come up with now knowing about magic and Drax, et. al or if he meets Rocket/Shuri? 

[Crs97]

I need a montage of Tony and Shuri- a long montage.  I cannot wait for them to meet and start discussing all their inventions and collaborating on new stuff.

[Raja]

1 hour ago, calliope1975 said:

Can you imagine what he's going to come up with now knowing about magic and Drax, et. al or if he meets Rocket/Shuri? 

Is there something special that Drax brought to the table  besides being another alien stronger than humans?

1 hour ago, Crs97 said:

I need a montage of Tony and Shuri- a long montage.  I cannot wait for them to meet and start discussing all their inventions and collaborating on new stuff.

I suspect that Rocket,  Banner and maybe Hank Pym would be in that scene.

[calliope1975]

27 minutes ago, Raja said:

Is there something special that Drax brought to the table  besides being another alien stronger than humans?

Nope. I was just thinking of the characters that Tony interacted with in IW. 

[HunterHunted]

4 hours ago, calliope1975 said:

Can you imagine what he's going to come up with now knowing about magic and Drax, et. al or if he meets Rocket/Shuri?

3 hours ago, Raja said:

Is there something special that Drax brought to the table  besides being another alien stronger than humans?

 

I wonder if everything Tony experiences in Infinity War confirms every paranoid thought and fever dream he's ever had. In Avengers (Assemble), he meets gods, Thor and Loki, but they don't look too terribly different from humans. They are stronger than a regular human, but not stronger than an augmented human like the Hulk. Loki has an alien army that blows Tony's mind, but you're never quite sure what Tony thinks the rest of the universe might be like. I think you get the sense that he's hoping it will be like Thor and Loki, but assuming it's like the Chitauri. I think finding out that magic exists, that there are many types of aliens with all different types of powers, and that he and everyone he knows and cares about are only minor players in a madman's grand plan to reorder the entire universe will only make Tony think every choice he's made over the past decade has been correct. The problem is that he's been so scared of everything that he couldn't plan for what might be. And now that he sees what is the worst possible outcome, his worst instincts are going to be on overdrive.

Edited June 13, 2018 by HunterHunted

[festivus]

I'm really gonna feel cheated if we don't get to see Tony and Nebula's ride back to Earth. Now that is an unlikely pair.

[piequinn35]

7 minutes ago, festivus said:

I'm really gonna feel cheated if we don't get to see Tony and Nebula's ride back to Earth. Now that is an unlikely pair.

I'm guessing Thor will just pick them up?