Molly & Luis: My Baby Does the Sanky Panky

[Arwen Evenstar]

He may not have had one in DR if he didn’t own a car or had driving/valet parking responsibilities at the resort.

[biakbiak]

20 minutes ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

He may not have had one in DR if he didn’t own a car or had driving/valet parking responsibilities at the resort.

Right but that is still on him for not getting one before he left. 

[Bryce Lynch]

11 hours ago, Emkat said:

I lol'ed when Brother Molly called Luis Big Papi.

It was also funny when Louise was mocking Brother Molly's hitting, saying Americans can't hit like Domincans and then Brother Molly snarked back at Louise (who was much worse) saying he thought all you Domincan boys could hit.   For those who don't know, the DR is a huge hotbed for baseball talent.  About 10% of major league players are Domincan.  

[AZChristian]

8 hours ago, gavinmac said:

And why does he want to move back? He can make 5-10 times as much as a bartender in the USA. He's making no sense. Most definitely.

But his "line" for getting good tips from unescorted American women in DR was, "Hi, Beautiful.  I'm gonna marry you."  That's not going to work any more.

1 hour ago, Bryce Lynch said:

It was also funny when Louise was mocking Brother Molly's hitting, saying Americans can't hit like Domincans and then Brother Molly snarked back at Louise (who was much worse) saying he thought all you Domincan boys could hit.   For those who don't know, the DR is a huge hotbed for baseball talent.  About 10% of major league players are Domincan.  

So if Luis' batting skills are so bad . . . what else can he not do as well as he thinks he can?

[keetmommy]

Does he really think that Molly is going to go to DR with him? This is not going to end well.

[Booger666]

11 minutes ago, keetmommy said:

Does he really think that Molly is going to go to DR with him? This is not going to end well.

Depending on how it was edited, he basically said Kensley can go live with her dad and he and Molly can move to the DR because he’s bored.  It came across as a threat to me that Molly needs to get rid of Kensley so Molly and Luis can party all the time.  I’m sure he expects the brother to tell Molly because Luis is a manipulative, passive aggressive little shit.

[DangerousMinds]

21 hours ago, Awfarmington said:

It sounds like Molly brought him here as domestic help, and for free gigolo services. Pretty good deal (for her) even with the money paid to get him here. Free child care, dog walker, sex, and probably makes him clean and cook. 

Sounds a lot like what many men expect of women.

[spankydoll]

Dilly, dilly on House Molly having odd décor. I can't figure out how a woman who owns a successful high end lingerie company dries out her precious unmentionables by slopping them over the towel rack in the bathroom. It looks so slovenly and can't be very good for the items.

[Arwen Evenstar]

2 hours ago, spankydoll said:

Dilly, dilly on House Molly having odd décor. I can't figure out how a woman who owns a successful high end lingerie company dries out her precious unmentionables by slopping them over the towel rack in the bathroom. It looks so slovenly and can't be very good for the items.

It’s the Pit of Misery.  Dilly, Dilly.

[Christina]

He has no intention of moving back to the DR. It's in the script and all foreign spouses have to threaten to just return home if something or other doesn't happen because Sharp refuses to adjust the script or hire better writers.

It's probably took him proposing to quite a few women before one bit. He's not going to throw it all away any time soon. 

[Polliwollidoodle]

love all the comments here- and super surprised that i have not seen mention of her giggle. THAT is annoying beyond tolerance.Her older daughter really seems to have it together. must say.

[BeachyWave]

I'm a performing artist, and I'm about to use a term that might be offensive. If so, please just delete it or the whole post.

In the cabaret/acting world, straight women who love partying with/hanging with gay men were once upon a time called "fag hags." Back in the day (I'm an old fart) gay men in entertainment found the term and phenomenon funny and generally enjoyed being around women who accepted them -- which was fairly unusual 30 years ago. I realize times and terminology have changed, so apologies in advance, and again, just delete this if it's problematic.

The characteristics of such a woman were generally 1. Hefty Hefty Hefty 2. Likes likker 3. Flamboyant 4. Appreciates the gay guys' fashion advice (which is undeniably great) 5. Likes the presence of well-groomed men 6. Cackles at jet-plane decibel level.

Anyway, I'm wondering if her hard-to-fit bra shop might not cater to some particular gentlemen's unique needs. (Gay men would not be interested, but transgender and cross-dressing men, who are usually straight but have private playtime are.) I have a young relative who's come out as transgender (I changed his diaper 18 years ago so reasonably sure of the bio identity) and is a strapping individual, so I have recent acquaintance with shops catering to people larger than average women's sizes. Now THAT would be a show.

Edited November 26, 2017 by BeachyWave

[Arwen Evenstar]

I’m sure drag queens and MTF transgenders would have a great time at Molly’s shop. They would no doubt be treated royally.  Creating an enviable silhouette is hard to do and limited by ones tolerance for tight garments or straight lacing.

Edited November 26, 2017 by Arwen Evenstar
Afterthought

[Baltimore Betty]

On 11/20/2017 at 6:13 PM, spankydoll said:

Dilly, dilly on House Molly having odd décor. I can't figure out how a woman who owns a successful high end lingerie company dries out her precious unmentionables by slopping them over the towel rack in the bathroom. It looks so slovenly and can't be very good for the items.

I know!  I had posted a while ago that if I was expecting a camera crew I'd have tidied up a bit and maybe bought a new (fill in the blank), deep cleaned the carpets, etc...

Dilly, dilly, lololol! 

[BeachyWave]

3 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

I’m sure drag queens and MTF transgenders would have a great time at Molly’s shop. They would no doubt be treated royally.

Indeed -- I was in no way snarking or minimizing (bad pun) her main business of hard-to-fit ladies, but since she has the skill and is friendly, I think drag and transgenders would feel welcome there. Also I believe she's able to custom-make garments.

[Arwen Evenstar]

1 hour ago, BeachyWave said:

Indeed -- I was in no way snarking or minimizing (bad pun) her main business of hard-to-fit ladies, but since she has the skill and is friendly, I think drag and transgenders would feel welcome there. Also I believe she's able to custom-make garments.

I didn’t for a second believe you were snarking.  It gave me the idea that Molly’s business was  definitely a very welcoming one.  Molly seems to be a good hearted  gal who hasn’t got time for hate.  

Sadly, LGBTQ people are still not welcome everywhere, despite a supposedly more enlightened society. RPDR queens Alexis Matteo and Yara Sofia were  kicked out of a wig shop in Florida, which was really a dumb thing for the owner to do.  Their money is just as green, and they have drag friends who spend big money on wigs and will be now be spending it elsewhere and telling their friends not to shop there.  I’m sure Molly would love to sell RuPaul and friends all the bustiers, forms, and waist cinchers they want. 

[CoachWristletJen]

Okay, they're re-running last week's episodes, complete with new Azan and Nicole cuddle scenes, and I just rewatched the scene with Luis and the swing. I don't want to beat a dead horse. And, that's why I came to this board instead. I repeat, I do not, do not, think he's a pedophile!!!!!
 

That being said, the reason she doesn't want him to push her from the front his because when he's pushing her, for whatever reason, his hands keep going to the insides of her legs for some reason. Instead of holding onto the swing, he's grabbing her legs. She clearly hates it. Luis just has no boundaries, and for him she's an object, and grabbing her is every bit as good as grabbing the swing, he just doesn't care that she's annoyed. She hasn't immediately accepted him 100% so in his mind, she's a little brat. She keeps saying, "Push me from the back!" Because, she's a kid and she doesn't want to say, "Get your hands off my legs!" It's really a weird thing to watch, and we're watching the edited version. Who knows how long he pushed her on the swing?

One thing we know about Luis. When you ask him not to do something, he's going to keep doing it, with relish.

I don't like him.

Meanwhile Molly has her face buried in the phone, legs splayed out on the the bench, obviously airing out the V.

No, he's not a pedophile.

He just doesn't respect Molly or her daughters.

[BeachyWave]

3 minutes ago, CoachWristletJen said:

obviously airing out the V.

You win the Interwebs for today!

[R-tori]

Exactly. He doesn't respect boundaries. Luis is a creep because he has been told "no" or "stop" in many ways and times but he stubbornly plows ahead with little regard to the feelings and expressed wishes of the women/girls he lives with. Cultural difference is not a free pass to behave as you wish. I don't care if Kensley is a precocious "brat" (not my word and i don't believe she is) or Olivia a sexually active teen (who cares?) the reality is that Luis is the adult, the "stepfather," in this scenario with inherent power over his stepdaughters and he is always subtly exerting it. He doesn't show any respect or empathy for them. And I think Kensley knows it. 

[Nowhere]

6 minutes ago, R-tori said:

Exactly. He doesn't respect boundaries. Luis is a creep because he has been told "no" or "stop" in many ways and times but he stubbornly plows ahead with little regard to the feelings and expressed wishes of the women/girls he lives with. Cultural difference is not a free pass to behave as you wish. I don't care if Kensley is a precocious "brat" (not my word and i don't believe she is) or Olivia a sexually active teen (who cares?) the reality is that Luis is the adult, the "stepfather," in this scenario with inherent power over his stepdaughters and he is always subtly exerting it. He doesn't show any respect or empathy for them. And I think Kensley knows it. 

I kind of do care if Kensley is a precocious brat. She screams "Put me down!" When he tries to help her out of the car seat and then when he swings her she demands that he swing from the back. No "please". No "thank you". Just a demanding little brat. If I were Luis I wouldn't bow before the little queen either. She needs to learn how to talk to people if she wants something. I'm one that thinks Luis was innappropriate with what he said to Olivia but I don't think he's being anything but playful with Kensley and probably wondering why she hasn't been taught how to respect adults. I probably wouldn't have pushed her from the back until she asked nicely. I honestly don't blame him for being annoyed especially after hearing that he doesn't know how to push a swing because "you're not from my country." Good lord what are these children being taught? Apparently nothing at all or 'Murica. 

[R-tori]

That's definitely one interpretation. I do see it, and Kensley may not be polite, but initially she seemed quite enamoured with him and now she's not. Or at least that's the edit. 

I see all these other cues of an adult male not respecting her space, her familial relationships etc...and steam rolling over her. From that perspective I can see how she's completely put off by him. It's not like the swing is the only incident. He didn't respect her paternal relationship. Repeatedly. Yes she was rude, but he was rude first and he had all the power. He made excessive comments to Olivia even after she asked him to stop. He was showing PDA with Molly in the restaurant even though Olivia was by herself and asked them to stop. During the TH with Molly he belligerently insisted on discussing Olivia's sex life even though Molly said it was off limits. He constantly crosses the line and it's not acceptable for anyone, regardless of culture. When you're told to stop, STOP  

 Even if Kensley is rude it doesn't mean Luis isn't disrespecting her boundaries. I don't see this as a ´Murica thing. I see this as a respecting a child's autonomy thing. The nationality, ethnicity or socioeconomics are irrelevant. 

[Nowhere]

25 minutes ago, R-tori said:

That's definitely one interpretation. I do see it, and Kensley may not be polite, but initially she seemed quite enamoured with him and now she's not. Or at least that's the edit. 

I see all these other cues of an adult male not respecting her space, her familial relationships etc...and steam rolling over her. From that perspective I can see how she's completely put off by him. It's not like the swing is the only incident. He didn't respect her paternal relationship. Repeatedly. Yes she was rude, but he was rude first and he had all the power. He made excessive comments to Olivia even after she asked him to stop. He was showing PDA with Molly in the restaurant even though Olivia was by herself and asked them to stop. During the TH with Molly he belligerently insisted on discussing Olivia's sex life even though Molly said it was off limits. He constantly crosses the line and it's not acceptable for anyone, regardless of culture. When you're told to stop, STOP  

 Even if Kensley is rude it doesn't mean Luis isn't disrespecting her boundaries. I don't see this as a ´Murica thing. I see this as a respecting a child's autonomy thing. The nationality, ethnicity or socioeconomics are irrelevant. 

It's not irrelevant when the child says you don't know how to push a swing because you're not from her country. So what I meant was that things are said around the kid and she repeats what she hears the adults say. Just because Luis is from another country doesn't mean he's stupid, in other words, and both kids have implied that. 

Molly keeps telling Luis that he needs to be a father. Before he met the kids, Molly was probably saying they need a father. Then when Luis said what he probably thought Kensly would be happy about (because Molly probably told him that), he got shot down. Rudely. He seems to be trying to make Kensly happy but he's failing. And I can tell he doesn't like her but is still trying to do what Molly tells him to do. 

The problem is with Olivia. He hasn't been appropriate around her. No question about that. 

[Lemons]

I know men who don't even want to play with children anymore because of fear.  Who wants someone over analyzing every move they make?  I hate to see the pendulum swing so far to the left or to the right that men are too scared to get involved.   I know people say it isn't racist but I wonder if those were white hands would people have seen evil where there is none.  

[ALittleShelfish]

Just a thought on the whole SwingGate issue.  (I recognize this horse is probably asking to not be beaten anymore...)

Maybe Luis is more comfortable in conversation, in his second language, face to face  -  or at least able to see the person's face, mouth, or other facial expressions.  This was the case for me when I was learning languages, but maybe just me.  IDK.  

Or maybe he's just being a twat for the sake of being a twat. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[gonecrackers]

1 hour ago, Lemons said:

I know men who don't even want to play with children anymore because of fear.  Who wants someone over analyzing every move they make?  I hate to see the pendulum swing so far to the left or to the right that men are too scared to get involved.   I know people say it isn't racist but I wonder if those were white hands would people have seen evil where there is none.  

I understand what you're saying, but for me it's been his behavior around the girls, & especially the lack of respecting boundaries I saw as a red flag, & I would've no matter what his race. I didn't like the uncle's behavior either - as in - not telling Luis to shut up around Olivia, & I haven't seen this week's episode yet but they both seem to be acting like asses at that club.

[R-tori]

2 hours ago, Lemons said:

I know men who don't even want to play with children anymore because of fear.  Who wants someone over analyzing every move they make?  I hate to see the pendulum swing so far to the left or to the right that men are too scared to get involved.   I know people say it isn't racist but I wonder if those were white hands would people have seen evil where there is none.  

I know and these are all really good questions. There are good men who legitimately have to worry through no fault of their own.  I still fall down on the side of respecting the comfort and autonomy of those without the power, and it's possible Luis has not had a favourable edit, but his behaviour is still not ok (imo). 

[Lemons]

21 minutes ago, R-tori said:

I know and these are all really good questions. There are good men who legitimately have to worry through no fault of their own.  I still fall down on the side of respecting the comfort and autonomy of those without the power, and it's possible Luis has not had a favourable edit, but his behaviour is still not ok (imo). 

He acts like an idiot half the time but I think talking about where his hands are while swinging a child is a bit extreme. 

1 hour ago, gonecrackers said:

I understand what you're saying, but for me it's been his behavior around the girls, & especially the lack of respecting boundaries I saw as a red flag, & I would've no matter what his race. I didn't like the uncle's behavior either - as in - not telling Luis to shut up around Olivia, & I haven't seen this week's episode yet but they both seem to be acting like asses at that club.

The uncle should have told them both to knock it off.  I just wouldn’t go so far as seeing red flags. Olivia’s part of the conversation was just as inappropriate and she instigated the whole thing. We can cut her a little slack because she’s younger. 

[Lemons]

2 hours ago, ALittleShelfish said:

Just a thought on the whole SwingGate issue.  (I recognize this horse is probably asking to not be beaten anymore...)

Maybe Luis is more comfortable in conversation, in his second language, face to face  -  or at least able to see the person's face, mouth, or other facial expressions.  This was the case for me when I was learning languages, but maybe just me.  IDK.  

Or maybe he's just being a twat for the sake of being a twat. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Probably both. 

[BeachyWave]

I think the younger girl is very smart and has figured out how to keep from being harmed. That is hardly being a "brat." She feels uncomfortable, has likely had no support, and has figured out how to keep herself safe all on her own. And that is very sad.

8 hours ago, Nowhere said:

kind of do care if Kensley is a precocious brat. She screams "Put me down!" When he tries to help her out of the car seat and then when he swings her she demands that he swing from the back. No "please".

She certainly did say "please." At least twice, maybe more, which is unusual for a 6-y-o. This child has learned how to stand up for herself as no one else is, and is hardly being bratty.

[Real Eyes]

I think she was bratty in the swing scene. I watched a second time and didn’t see anything inappropriate in terms of hand placement. 

 

I think Kensley’s attitude comes from Olivia, i.e. you’re not from this country, you don’t know how to do this.  Her behaviour in that scene was obnoxious and Molly should have disciplined her. 

 

Molly should not be pushing Luis to look after her kids. With time, they will learn to accept him. 

[Christina]

8 hours ago, Lemons said:

I know people say it isn't racist but I wonder if those were white hands would people have seen evil where there is none.  

Yes, because he is being called out on his actions which have nothing to do with his race. He is pushing and crossing boundaries that he has no business crossing, and those actions are typical of abusers. I don't think he is a pedophile intending to sexually assault either girl, but do think he is an asshole who enjoys making them uncomfortable because he doesn't want them around. His behavior is typical of someone grooming a future victim, and those of us who recognize it can't unsee it. I completely disagree that I'm seeing evil where there is none or that it is because of his skin color. I'm African American and Native American if that matters, which it shouldn't.

Some people on PTV have said they suffered at the hands of an abuser, and I worked as a paralegal who sued abusers, including a doctor and a teacher's aid, who kept getting transferred in what was termed "pass the trash" and the teacher who kept disclosing his inappropriate actions was told to shut up before he sued the district. Our first client was the seventh victim of his, we also found the other six by the teacher who kept telling on him, and reported their names to the police, too. Our first client was in therapy and kept talking about a boyfriend that the therapist figured out was an adult at the school and reported it SEVEN times before any action was taken. There was also a girl's basketball coach and a chiropractor, along with an attorney, who was sexually abusing the juveniles he was representing, one of them ended up in a foster home out of a group home and trusted the foster mother enough that she told her what was going on. The police found fourteen other girls. All of the predators had a pattern to make the kids more pliable to their actions, which begin with pushing boundaries. 

Luis has acted inappropriately more than once, to Molly, Olivia and Kensley, and we're getting a short period of their lives. As I said in one of the episode threads, some people are uncomfortable with comments about him and others of us are not willing to ignore what we see as risky behavior of his, and the two sides are at an impasse; we will never agree. I haven't watched the last episode, yet, but the preview looks like he has fun at a strip club and Molly gets pissed, and that brief clip doesn't look like he did anything wrong. Hopefully, we won't be subjected to him and the kids that he clearly dislikes since they are pumping up drama between him and Molly instead.

[Lemons]

6 hours ago, Christina said:

Yes, because he is being called out on his actions which have nothing to do with his race. He is pushing and crossing boundaries that he has no business crossing, and those actions are typical of abusers. I don't think he is a pedophile intending to sexually assault either girl, but do think he is an asshole who enjoys making them uncomfortable because he doesn't want them around. His behavior is typical of someone grooming a future victim, and those of us who recognize it can't unsee it. I completely disagree that I'm seeing evil where there is none or that it is because of his skin color. I'm African American and Native American if that matters, which it shouldn't.

Some people on PTV have said they suffered at the hands of an abuser, and I worked as a paralegal who sued abusers, including a doctor and a teacher's aid, who kept getting transferred in what was termed "pass the trash" and the teacher who kept disclosing his inappropriate actions was told to shut up before he sued the district. Our first client was the seventh victim of his, we also found the other six by the teacher who kept telling on him, and reported their names to the police, too. Our first client was in therapy and kept talking about a boyfriend that the therapist figured out was an adult at the school and reported it SEVEN times before any action was taken. There was also a girl's basketball coach and a chiropractor, along with an attorney, who was sexually abusing the juveniles he was representing, one of them ended up in a foster home out of a group home and trusted the foster mother enough that she told her what was going on. The police found fourteen other girls. All of the predators had a pattern to make the kids more pliable to their actions, which begin with pushing boundaries. 

Luis has acted inappropriately more than once, to Molly, Olivia and Kensley, and we're getting a short period of their lives. As I said in one of the episode threads, some people are uncomfortable with comments about him and others of us are not willing to ignore what we see as risky behavior of his, and the two sides are at an impasse; we will never agree. I haven't watched the last episode, yet, but the preview looks like he has fun at a strip club and Molly gets pissed, and that brief clip doesn't look like he did anything wrong. Hopefully, we won't be subjected to him and the kids that he clearly dislikes since they are pumping up drama between him and Molly instead.

Why are you talking about people being sued for abuse or people here who talk about being sexually abused as kids?  What does this have to do with the show?  

7 hours ago, BeachyWave said:

I think the younger girl is very smart and has figured out how to keep from being harmed. That is hardly being a "brat." She feels uncomfortable, has likely had no support, and has figured out how to keep herself safe all on her own. And that is very sad.

She certainly did say "please." At least twice, maybe more, which is unusual for a 6-y-o. This child has learned how to stand up for herself as no one else is, and is hardly being bratty.

I don’t think it’s unusual for six year olds to say please because at this age parents are still teaching it, or should be teaching it. If kids aren’t saying please at this age it’s usually because the parents aren’t on top of it.  Molly is putting effort into that anyway. 

[Bryce Lynch]

15 hours ago, Lemons said:

I know men who don't even want to play with children anymore because of fear.  Who wants someone over analyzing every move they make?  I hate to see the pendulum swing so far to the left or to the right that men are too scared to get involved.   I know people say it isn't racist but I wonder if those were white hands would people have seen evil where there is none.  

I agree that we have become a bit paranoid about child molesters and about being perceived as one.  That said, I have 2 teenage daughters and I would never have swung them the way Luis did.  I think decent men have a natural aversion to putting their hands anywhere near little girls' private parts.  

It bothered me a little when he swung her from the front, but when she loudly objected and he kept doing it, that bothered me 10 times more.  I think Kensley felt uncomfortable with it, without fully understanding why, and communicated it the best she knew how by saying, "We don't do it like that in America."  

[Lemons]

1 minute ago, Bryce Lynch said:

I agree that we have become a bit paranoid about child molesters and about being perceived as one.  That said, I have 2 teenage daughters and I would never have swung them the way Luis did.  I think decent men have a natural aversion to putting their hands anywhere near little girls' private parts.  

It bothered me a little when he swung her from the front, but when she loudly objected and he kept doing it, that bothered me 10 times more.  I think Kensley felt uncomfortable with it, without fully understanding why, and communicated it the best she knew how by saying, "We don't do it like that in America."  

I have a six year old who is terrible at swinging. We go to the playground all the time because we live in the city. People swing children from the front or the back, depending on their preference. I’ve never seen a child “uncomfortable” either way. To me it’s such a bizzare thing to connect to being near a child’s “private parts”. 

And it’s not natural for a six year old to say we don’t do that in America. She got that from her sister or an adult. And considering about half of the children in my daughter’s class are foreign born, I’d shut that down pretty quick. 

[Bryce Lynch]

1 minute ago, Lemons said:

I have a six year old who is terrible at swinging. We go to the playground all the time because we live in the city. People swing children from the front or the back, depending on their preference. I’ve never seen a child “uncomfortable” either way. To me it’s such a bizzare thing to connect to being near a child’s “private parts”. 

And it’s not natural for a six year old to say we don’t do that in America. She got that from her sister or an adult. And considering about half of the children in my daughter’s class are foreign born, I’d shut that down pretty quick. 

It is not the child's rear, but her front that made me uncomfortable.  I would generally push swinging kids from their lower back.

The setup with Luis and Kensley was a bit odd because she was in some sort of special needs swing that covered way more of her than a regular swing.  Because of that, I gave Luis some slack, until Kensley started vehemently objecting.  Even, if there was nothing sexual about it, he seemed mean and spiteful in the way he kept doing it, and wouldn't let her out of the swing when she wanted to get out.  It seemed like he was intentionally, lightly tormenting her.  

[Lemons]

12 minutes ago, Bryce Lynch said:

It is not the child's rear, but her front that made me uncomfortable.  I would generally push swinging kids from their lower back.

The setup with Luis and Kensley was a bit odd because she was in some sort of special needs swing that covered way more of her than a regular swing.  Because of that, I gave Luis some slack, until Kensley started vehemently objecting.  Even, if there was nothing sexual about it, he seemed mean and spiteful in the way he kept doing it, and wouldn't let her out of the swing when she wanted to get out.  It seemed like he was intentionally, lightly tormenting her.  

There was nothing sexual about it, but he should have just stopped swinging her when she was telling her the "american way" and told Molly to get up off her ass and swing her.  I still don't understand how swinging from the front made anyone uncomfortable.  It's done all the time.  

[BeachyWave]

58 minutes ago, Lemons said:

Why are you talking about people being sued for abuse or people here who talk about being sexually abused as kids?  What does this have to do with the show?  

I believe the poster was saying that people posting here who've been sexually abused as children are more aware of early warning signs because they've lived through it. And that she has seen it as a neutral third party because she worked in an office that prosecuted predators -- and therefore saw a pattern of early warning signs. Not to say that's definitely going on here, but that when it does happen, here are some early tactics many of those cases had in common.

I think your comment -- and I'm not being critical at all -- illustrates this somewhat. I'm unfortunately in the "was molested" camp, Luis's behaviors of crossing boundaries make my very uncomfortable, in fact make my skin crawl. If you have not lived through it as a child, I can certainly see why it wouldn't ding the radar.

[funky-rat]

On ‎11‎/‎26‎/‎2017 at 1:45 AM, BeachyWave said:

I'm a performing artist, and I'm about to use a term that might be offensive. If so, please just delete it or the whole post.

In the cabaret/acting world, straight women who love partying with/hanging with gay men were once upon a time called "fag hags." Back in the day (I'm an old fart) gay men in entertainment found the term and phenomenon funny and generally enjoyed being around women who accepted them -- which was fairly unusual 30 years ago. I realize times and terminology have changed, so apologies in advance, and again, just delete this if it's problematic.

The characteristics of such a woman were generally 1. Hefty Hefty Hefty 2. Likes likker 3. Flamboyant 4. Appreciates the gay guys' fashion advice (which is undeniably great) 5. Likes the presence of well-groomed men 6. Cackles at jet-plane decibel level.

My mom was a Fag Hag back in the 80's.  Sadly, all of her friends have all passed on.  HIV hit that community hard.  She fits your list except for #2.  She's not a drinker.  She stuck to her guns in a time where being friendly with HIV-Positive people was not looked upon well.  People from our own church told her that she'd "Catch the AIDS" and bring it home to us, and we'd make everyone else sick.  I was instructed not to tell people that I'd ate food they prepared, used the bathroom in their homes, hugged them, etc.  I use that term gently with the younger generation.  I never know how many of them even know what it means.  I have many gay friends (mostly men, a few women, and one trans - F to M).  I love them all.  : )

[BeachyWave]

3 minutes ago, funky-rat said:

  I was instructed not to tell people that I'd ate food they prepared, used the bathroom in their homes, hugged them, e

But we honestly didn’t know how it was transmitted at first; I saw my first of 100+ friends die in 1983. When guys showed up with Kaposi’s Sarcoma (skin spots) you knew it wouldn’t be long.

[funky-rat]

17 minutes ago, BeachyWave said:

But we honestly didn’t know how it was transmitted at first; I saw my first of 100+ friends die in 1983. When guys showed up with Kaposi’s Sarcoma (skin spots) you knew it wouldn’t be long.

This was the later 80's, when we knew somewhat better, but many chose not to listen, or believe.  It was easier just to shut up about it because many believed straight-up that you only got it from being gay, or from blood transfusions from a gay donor.  Plus I live in a somewhat conservative area.

My favorite TV show back then was Degrassi High.  I cheered hard when they gave HIV to a straight guy, and that he got it from a girl he had a fling with over the summer.  Those kids on the show were my age, and I was glad they were getting the word out that it's everyone's disease and everyone's problem.

[Lemons]

5 hours ago, BeachyWave said:

I believe the poster was saying that people posting here who've been sexually abused as children are more aware of early warning signs because they've lived through it. And that she has seen it as a neutral third party because she worked in an office that prosecuted predators -- and therefore saw a pattern of early warning signs. Not to say that's definitely going on here, but that when it does happen, here are some early tactics many of those cases had in common.

I think your comment -- and I'm not being critical at all -- illustrates this somewhat. I'm unfortunately in the "was molested" camp, Luis's behaviors of crossing boundaries make my very uncomfortable, in fact make my skin crawl. If you have not lived through it as a child, I can certainly see why it wouldn't ding the radar.

I just think it might be a little dangerous for people who have been abused to see themselves as experts and for them to insinuate abuse on a guy who was forced to swing a kid he didn’t like. A guy whose not good with kids no matter how many nieces and nephews he has. 

[booboopbedoo]

On 26/11/2017 at 3:21 PM, CoachWristletJen said:

He just doesn't respect Molly or her daughters.

I am sure he had no idea he would be home with the kids all day long being Mrs Doubtfire. He is used to fun in the Sun and not making grilled cheese sandwiches and trying to figure out how to get skid marks out of her thongs.

He wants to be single and said it a couple of times in the car.

 

It amazes me that she actually thinks he is or will be happy in that roll.

4 hours ago, funky-rat said:

My mom was a Fag Hag back in the 80's.  Sadly, all of her friends have all passed on. 

me too - I used to party with my boys and then watched them die one by one

[BeachyWave]

2 hours ago, Lemons said:

think it might be a little dangerous for people who have been abused to see themselves as experts

Fun fact: we *are* experts, alas.

[Arwen Evenstar]

5 hours ago, booboopbedoo said:

I am sure he had no idea he would be home with the kids all day long being Mrs Doubtfire. He is used to fun in the Sun and not making grilled cheese sandwiches and trying to figure out how to get skid marks out of her thongs.

I think you’d owe me a new tablet if I’d been eating or drinking anything when I read that. Disturbing. Deeply, deeply disturbing.

[booboopbedoo]

9 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

14 hours ago, booboopbedoo said:

I am sure he had no idea he would be home with the kids all day long being Mrs Doubtfire. He is used to fun in the Sun and not making grilled cheese sandwiches and trying to figure out how to get skid marks out of her thongs.

I think you’d owe me a new tablet if I’d been eating or drinking anything when I read that. Disturbing. Deeply, deeply disturbing.

Yes, I have been told I am disturbed!

mmmwwwwwahahhahahahahahahha

[lenny]

On 10/16/2017 at 9:19 PM, Toaster Strudel said:

The first thing he told her is: "One day I'm going to marry you."

She's a complete moron. Who falls for these facile, insincere lines? And actually wants to wed after a few days together?

I knew a woman who fell for these lines too and she was similar to Molly in other ways, financially successful and unnattracted to men her own age. Another case of a 4 wanting to be with a 10 and hoping to buy it. But in this case Molly is not less attractive than Luis just older. I wouldn't consider her old if I saw her with a man in his 40s but next to a kid she looks old, especially while wearing the clothes of an 18 year old.

[lenny]

On 11/25/2017 at 5:30 PM, mayvenne said:

love all the comments here- and super surprised that i have not seen mention of her giggle. THAT is annoying beyond tolerance.Her older daughter really seems to have it together. must say.

Yep, I love the older daughter, bright girl and very pretty. Actually the young girl is pretty smart too. I loved it when Luis was telling her he is her Daddy now and she told him "I you're not my Daddy, I already have one"

What is it with these women wanting to marry a guy so the guy can raise their kids for them? Just like the moron with Azan. She had the little girl calling him Daddy before the girl met him. Poor kid. She's one of those women who brings every guy she dates home and has the kids call him Daddy. Relationships develop in their own time in blended families and it's usually a slow process. And unless the other biological parent isn't present, the step parent doesn't replace the biological parent but can be a beloved addition if the relationship is not forced.

[spankydoll]

Where is the prenup? She better get one. 

[Arwen Evenstar]

8 hours ago, spankydoll said:

Where is the prenup? She better get one. 

Luis has definitely fallen into the hunny pot. I used to think he was an OK guy, but he’s made it clear that he doesn’t like her kids, hates life here, yada yada yada.

Since he cant work here yet, I get that he’s bored.  He had a fun job at a nice resort with a beautiful beach and he could ogle the women and talk to grownups. At the present, he’s got no purpose as he sees it. He probably came from a family where “the women folk” did all the domestic chores.  Since I’ve not been able to work due to my health, I totally understand that he misses the social stimulation he got from working.  Now, he’s stuck entertaining a six year old, who has made it clear she doesn’t like him. For all we know, she may be a better judge of character than Molly.

[mamadrama]

1 hour ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

Luis has definitely fallen into the hunny pot. I used to think he was an OK guy, but he’s made it clear that he doesn’t like her kids, hates life here, yada yada yada.

Since he cant work here yet, I get that he’s bored.  He had a fun job at a nice resort with a beautiful beach and he could ogle the women and talk to grownups. At the present, he’s got no purpose as he sees it. He probably came from a family where “the women folk” did all the domestic chores.  Since I’ve not been able to work due to my health, I totally understand that he misses the social stimulation he got from working.  Now, he’s stuck entertaining a six year old, who has made it clear she doesn’t like him. For all we know, she may be a better judge of character than Molly.

I haven't been able to hold an out-of-the-house job for 8 years due to my illness. Luckily, I am an author and am able to work from home and set my own hours-which sometimes means working at 4am if I am feeling some relief and need to be productive. But, like you, I also get missing the social stimulation. When you don't work outside of your home, you have to create your own sources of entertainment and socialization and that can be a LOT harder than people think. I mostly end up not doing it at all, ha ha. I suspect that Luis is possibly depressed, too, having to be totally dependent upon Molly for everything. 

Still...what a jerk. 

I still don't believe that he is showing signs of being sexually inappropriate with her kids. Like most of us on here, I am also a survivor of sexual abuse. In addition to being molested myself, when I was in the 4th grade I watched my hugely popular and likable male teacher sexually molest half a dozen of our male students right in front of the class. If we back talked him or disgruntled him in any way, he would physically abuse us by smacking us and throwing things at us-like chairs. 

With that being said, while my hinky meter isn't going off on the sexual inappropriateness front, I DO believe that dude is a total dick. I don't like the manner in which he speaks to her kids OR about them. If I'd been Molly in that car when he was talking about Kensley, it would've been hard for me not to knock the shit out of him. And I've never hit anyone in my life. He is disrespectful in the way he talks to Molly, too, and my brother would not have stood for my fiance talking about me like that to him, either. 

She needs to cut the cord and move on. It was a vacation romance that just went too far.