S08.E02: Down that Route: 2017.07.24

[GreatKazu]

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Briana is faced with a heart-wrenching decision; Kailyn's friend reveals some very personal information; Jenelle and Nathan confront each other in court; Leah tries to reunite Addie with Jeremy; and Chelsea brings home new baby, Watson     http://www.mtv.com/video-clips/ie78dg/teen-mom-2-sneak-peek-kailyn-s-big-secret-revealed

You see Javi's mom in that preview linked above. I see Kail takes advantage of those benefits of having Javi's family as her babysitters. Oh, and she still drives without a hands-free device. 

Edited July 24, 2017 by GreatKazu

[Moogen]

"I'm taking Isaac to Javi's because he asked to spend the night there. Plus I have a ton of schoolwork to do". Admit it Karl. You're dumping him off there shamelessly to your poor browbeaten ex and his family because you want alone time as per usual.  This woman is the worst!!! I don't know which of her or Jenelle I find more repulsive. God I feel sorry for Karsyn.

[Scarlett45]

14 minutes ago, Moogen said:

"I'm taking Isaac to Javi's because he asked to spend the night there. Plus I have a ton of schoolwork to do". Admit it Karl. You're dumping him off there shamelessly to your poor browbeaten ex and his family because you want alone time as per usual.  This woman is the worst!!! I don't know which of her or Jenelle I find more repulsive. God I feel sorry for Karsyn.

I find Jenelle 100% more repulsive due to the drugs and complete and utter disregard for her children's safety and well being. Kailyn is a nasty abuser and a nasty person, but I don't think she would ever put her boys in harms way, allow someone to mistreat them, let them be unclean/hungry etc like Jenelle would. Everyone she has watching them does care for them and is responsible. 

I agree Kailyn needs to stop having children. Not everyone excels at being a primary caregiver so just stop. 

[SPLAIN]

9 hours ago, Moogen said:

"I'm taking Isaac to Javi's because he asked to spend the night there. Plus I have a ton of schoolwork to do". Admit it Karl. You're dumping him off there shamelessly to your poor browbeaten ex and his family because you want alone time as per usual.  This woman is the worst!!! I don't know which of her or Jenelle I find more repulsive. God I feel sorry for Karsyn.

I posted this back in March in the Jenelle thread:

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Kail and Jenelle both drive like bats out of hell with no concerns for other drivers or the law. They have both been cited for their driving. Kail tops Jenelle in that she has driven while taking photos with her camera. 

Kail and Jenelle are both abusers in every sense of the word. They manipulate their children. They both mentally and emotionally abuse their children.

Kail and Jenelle have engaged in physical abuse in front of their children. Kail takes the cake because she abused Javi in the presence of her friends' children who were in her apartment. Kail cut her boyfriend's dreads off in an apparent heated argument.

Kail and Jenelle can't keep away from dicks.

Kail and Jenelle are both liars.

Kail and Jenelle air their dirty laundry for the public to read and see. They both trash their exes.

Kail and Jenelle have both accused their partners of DV with Kail being the major asshole who went as far and claimed DV upon Jo in order to keep him away from their son.

Kail and Jenelle use their kids as pawns.

Kail and Jenelle have both walked off the reunion shows.

Kail and Jenelle have threatened to quit the show.

Kail and Jenelle are quick to dump their children with anyone.

Kail and Jenelle take countless vacations and feel the need to lavish themselves with materialistic items.

Kail and Jenelle don't own their own home.

Kail and Jenelle have hidden their pregnancies.

Kail and Jenelle have defied court orders. Jenelle violated her probation many times while Kail moved to Delaware against what the judge told her.

Kail and Jenelle now have three children by three different fathers.

Kail and Jenelle have been pregnant at least 5 times each.

Kail and Jenelle are both ugly. Inside and out. They are both hypocrites and they treat people like garbage.

Kail and Jenelle are both divorced.

Kail and Jenelle have kept their children away from their children's fathers out of spite.

Kail and Jenelle have both referred to POC in vile ways. Jenelle texted or tweeted to Keifer and used the "N" word to him. As for Kail, we know what she said to a black girl about her "nappy hair". Then, there is what she said about Isaac. What was it? He was looking like a thug with his haircut? *palm face*

Disgusting bitches. Kail may not do drugs but, that is the only thing that separates her from Jenelle. 

Edited July 25, 2017 by SPLAIN

[Moogen]

Oh Splain I love the above post! Interesting seeing the comparison! The worst is that they 100% use their kids as pawns. Karl was sooo quick to quash Isaac's dream of having a room at Javi's and break his poor little heart for her own nasty gain. But as soon as she needs more hulk-time she dumps him around there on the pretense that it's because "Isaac asked if he could stay the night there". Epic bitch.

[GreatKazu]

49 minutes ago, Moogen said:

Oh Splain I love the above post! Interesting seeing the comparison! The worst is that they 100% use their kids as pawns. Karl was sooo quick to quash Isaac's dream of having a room at Javi's and break his poor little heart for her own nasty gain. But as soon as she needs more hulk-time she dumps him around there on the pretense that it's because "Isaac asked if he could stay the night there". Epic bitch.

Right. Those children are pawns. Those two brought those children into this world for their own gain. Two narcissistic and selfish bitches is what they are, nothing more. 

[ReadMeLattice]

Whatever her motives, I thought it was really positive that Isaac still has a relationship with Javi. As much of a dick as he was to Jo, Javi loves Isaac and I'm glad they continue to have a relationship. Kailyn's motives are probably selfish but whatever is best for the kids. Let's just hope she doesn't change her mind the next time she decides to manipulate in some other way. I was really afraid that she would try to keep Isaac from Javi, so if she wants to dump him off to screw other dudes or lay around or whatever, I'm happy.

Edited July 24, 2017 by Lm2162

[GreatKazu]

At this point, the boys are better off with anyone other than Kail. They could be with Javi's brother and I wouldn't have a problem with it. They are all seen as babysitters anyways, in Kail's eyes. 

There is something about her saying she has too much homework rather than saying Isaac will spend time with his step-dad. That just rubs me the wrong way. She always has to throw in about what is going on with her and why she can't have the kids rather than it is Javi's request to see Isaac or Isaac was missing Javi. She would never give Javi or Jo that satisfaction. 

Edited July 25, 2017 by GreatKazu

[guilfoyleatpp]

Kailyn can't help being a miserable cow. WTF is the matter with her?

[CofCinci]

7 minutes ago, guilfoyleatpp said:

Kailyn can't help being a miserable cow. WTF is the matter with her?

and

[Christina]

Between Brianna and her family's outrage that the man she knew for 30 minutes before she got pregnant was also sleeping with others and Kail's nasty self, this show was awful. I muted Brianna once the coven had decided they all were dying from a terminal disease because the baby daddy wasn't faithful, unmuted for Chelsea's scene introducing the baby, muted Kail whining, unmuted Corey, turned channels. 

Kail is so clearly pregnant while filming, what difference does it make that Sterling said it? Very clearly pregnant. 

[Mr. Miner]

Briana is as dumb as Karl is disgusting.

[woodscommaelle]

Why was Roxanne being so god damn outrageous? 

Aubrey is so stinking cute. The whole family is, actually.   Edit: uh oh drama. 

Brianna's daughter and Marisa should hang out. Poor kids thrown into all this shit. 

Edited July 25, 2017 by woodscommaelle

[ClassyCourtHeels]

8 minutes ago, woodscommaelle said:

Why was Roxanne being so god damn outrageous? 

Aubrey is so stinking cute. The whole family is, actually. 

Brianna's daughter and Marisa should hang out. Poor kids thrown into all this shit. 

Because the coven is extra as fuck and trying to play it up to ensure another season for them because if they don't it's back on welfare 

[Scarlett45]

9 minutes ago, Christina said:

Between Brianna and her family's outrage that the man she knew for 30 minutes before she got pregnant was also sleeping with others and Kail's nasty self, this show was awful. I muted Brianna once the coven had decided they all were dying from a terminal disease because the baby daddy wasn't faithful, unmuted for Chelsea's scene introducing the baby, muted Kail whining, unmuted Corey, turned channels. 

Kail is so clearly pregnant while filming, what difference does it make that Sterling said it? Very clearly pregnant. 

Briana's family and their outrage was ridiculous but I think Briana's words regarding how hard it was to raise Nova on her own and considering adoption were real. I don't think she's that good of an actress or that emotionally manipulative.   

I wanted to smack Luis, Briana was actually very reasonable pointing out that Luis had shown his colors and could walk out on any time leaving her a single parent again. Smug ass Luiz said "oh well you're a strong independent woman you can handle whatever happens"- no DUMBASS! So it's okay for men to just abandon their responsibilities because "strong independent women" will pick up the slack?! Hell no. I do truly hate this narrative. Being a strong independent woman doesn't let men off the hook for their responsibilities, it doesn't negate their character flaws, it doesn't make it OKAY to treat a person badly because they "can take it because they are strong".

We know in real time she is parenting her child but that scene made me so angry. 

[woodscommaelle]

Just now, ClassyCourtHeels said:

Because the coven is extra as fuck and trying to play it up to ensure another season for them because if they don't it's back on welfare 

Lol! Why are watching this? ?

[pheebs]

UBT is soooo on blow. Major signs - fiddling with his nose, stiff shiny upper lip, stilted speech, indoor sunglasses. Of course Jenelle doesn't want him out of her sight. He'll do it all.                            

 Leah - "Do you want to hear about me at school?" and the kids yell back "blahblahblah blah!"  Yeah, girlses, we know, we know. WALMART!                                                                      

Karl, ugh, there is no words. She just sucks. What a downer.                                                              

Briana is a giant bore.                    

Chelsea is tired.  

Could this ep been more boring?       

Edited July 25, 2017 by pheebs
Wonky paragraphs. My bad.

[guilfoyleatpp]

I seriously need Kailyn to not fucking facetime and drive at the same time.  WTF.

[woodscommaelle]

Brianna's sister needs to just stop talking.  Jenelle too. 

[Reppiks2897]

Kail " it's not like I was going to marry the guy or anything"  ....no she'll just get pregnant again and yet another child will grow up in a broken home being shuffled from house to house to house to house.  This girl is ridiculous and has no family values or morals!

[Mkay]

29 minutes ago, ClassyCourtHeels said:

Because the coven is extra as fuck and trying to play it up to ensure another season for them because if they don't it's back on welfare 

I fast forward through all her scenes. 

[poeticlicensed]

Wtf did kail do to her lips? They don't even look human 

I love that Javi is just screwing with her, walking in and going through her house. And she's too stupid and nasty to realize he's just punking her. 

I half expected Leah's voiceover on day 2 of college to be that she had to drop out because she didn't have time for school. 

Wtf was the big deal about packing their shit if Janelle and ubt were renting a FURNISHED house?

[ClassyCourtHeels]

3 minutes ago, poeticlicensed said:

Wtf did kail do to her lips? They don't even look human 

I love that Javi is just screwing with her, walking in and going through her house. And she's too stupid and nasty to realize he's just punking her. 

I half expected Leah's voiceover on day 2 of college to be that she had to drop out because she didn't have time for school. 

Wtf was the big deal about packing their shit if Janelle and ubt were renting a FURNISHED house?

Because it wasn't really about mold. They probably got evicted and had to get everything out by a certain date.

 

And at that date their trailer on the land wasn't ready so they used PODS to store their stuff until their trailer was ready 

[Linny]

Sorry, but I don't feel any sympathy for Briana's predicament. She's "stuck" being a single mom to two kids because of her own bad decisions. She's not a victim here; she chose to have unprotected sex with a man she hardly knew and now she's reaping the consequences. Maybe next time she should get to know a man and let him prove his trustworthiness before starting a family with him. 

It was painful watching Aubree act out in the car. She's clearly feeling jealous and insecure because of Watson. I wished Chelsea hadn't made that comment about how much she needed a little baby to hold, because I'm sure that made Aubree feel inadequate. But Chelsea and Cole obviously adore Aubree, so I have faith that they'll find ways to help her adjust to having a sibling and find ways to make her still feel important.

There are no winners in Jenelle's fight with Nathan over custody. Kaiser loses no matter who has him. The poor little guy seems so sweet, and he deserves better parents than these two miscreants.

Shout out to Corey and that brief scene of him telling the twins they can't date until after college. The girls always seem so happy with Corey, and I love that he seems like a good, attentive father. As for Leah, someone needs to teach her to apply her makeup with a lighter hand, because she looked horrible tonight.

Kail is a truly awful individual. I know that's not news because she proves it every damn episode, but she was terrible in the conversation with Javi. Would it kill her to show him a shred of hospitality and to talk to him without shouting? Javi was joking and playful, but Kail is completely incapable of being lighthearted. Her intensity is always at 100% and I find that maddening. And were we really not supposed to be able to tell she was pregnant in these scenes? Who does she think she's fooling? Girlfriend was super puffy in the face and had undeniably gained weight, so the options are she's pregnant or she's preparing to return to the sea in her true form as a whale. Her friend's slip up on the phone was just stating the obvious.

[ClassyCourtHeels]

Gracie was da real MVP in the car tonight 

[ReadMeLattice]

@Linny, 100% everything!

Kail needs to quit being so extra. Every moment with her would just be EXHAUSTING. She is literally mad all. the. time.

I did feel a tiny bit bad for Brianna just because realizing you made that *dumb* of a decision while you're pregnant and the guy, who made just as dumb of a decision, can just walk away if he wants, would suck. Biology is unfair. Also I'm 38 weeks pregnant and fucking over it so I feel bad for all other pregnant women. lol.

The fight over Kaiser between Jenelle and Nathan is like watching two rabid dogs fight over a chipmunk. Whoever gets it will destroy it. When I watch Barb and Jenelle fight over Jace, I have some degree of satisfaction knowing that with one of those two he'll be safe. Not the case here.

I already know not to get excited about Leah's school for even a moment because she's dropped out.

Edited July 25, 2017 by Lm2162

[Scarlett45]

@Lm2162 I agree with you. For the record in my post above I wasn't letting Briana off the hook. She chose Luis- she was an adult woman, without some type of mental impairment (disability or illness), who chose to have unprotected sex with a man she barely knew. That's on her. My great aunt Eunice told me once "when you choose to lay down with a man that's a reflection on you! Remember that if you're quick to complain about him when you don't get your way."

 I don't feel sorry for her, nor did I like Brittany's "what you did to my sister I will have to attack you"- so frustrating. "Nova is here"......I loved Nova's My Little Pony shirt. 

[ReadMeLattice]

2 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

@Lm2162 I agree with you. For the record in my post above I wasn't letting Briana off the hook. She chose Luis- she was an adult woman, without some type of mental impairment (disability or illness), who chose to have unprotected sex with a man she barely knew. That's on her. My great aunt Eunice told me once "when you choose to lay down with a man that's a reflection on you! Remember that if you're quick to complain about him when you don't get your way."

 I don't feel sorry for her, nor did I like Brittany's "what you did to my sister I will have to attack you"- so frustrating. "Nova is here"......I loved Nova's My Little Pony shirt. 

Yeah, I really don't get the point of her on this show and I'm still wondering what exactly she adds. She's another not-very-bright bad decision maker. Let's go home from The Club and do it raw? Who does that in 2017? And why should I care about either one of those people? I just feel bad for the baby. She did seem a little serious about adoption and that likely would have been a better choice.

Edited July 25, 2017 by Lm2162

[zenme]

So funny hearing UBT telling Jenele how beautiful she looked, and then the camera goes to him wearing dark  SUNGLASSES!

I like  Chelsea's "mad" voice. She actually sounds like an adult.  I wish  Cole would find his.

[guilfoyleatpp]

It was just so obvious that Aubree was feeling sad and insecure during her melt down. I know Chelsea and Cole are probably also both sleep deprived, but I wish they would have approached it from a place of trying to understand her rather than going right to punishment.

Just a "I know things are out of whack right now and you're feeling like you don't have as much attention. It's ok to have feelings. We love you very much." pep talk. 

[woodscommaelle]

11 minutes ago, guilfoyleatpp said:

It was just so obvious that Aubree was feeling sad and insecure during her melt down. I know Chelsea and Cole are probably also both sleep deprived, but I wish they would have approached it from a place of trying to understand her rather than going right to punishment.

Just a "I know things are out of whack right now and you're feeling like you don't have as much attention. It's ok to have feelings. We love you very much." pep talk. 

Chelsea (and maybe Cole) could probably use a little pep talk themselves.  

[Scarlett45]

17 minutes ago, guilfoyleatpp said:

It was just so obvious that Aubree was feeling sad and insecure during her melt down. I know Chelsea and Cole are probably also both sleep deprived, but I wish they would have approached it from a place of trying to understand her rather than going right to punishment.

Just a "I know things are out of whack right now and you're feeling like you don't have as much attention. It's ok to have feelings. We love you very much." pep talk. 

I thought Chelsea handled it well. Aubrey is old enough to know not to back talk to adults and not start crying just because she didn't get her way. She is 7 not 2-3yrs old.

 My Mom was "old school"- I was allowed to have feelings and express those feelings with the appropriate tone towards my elders but that didn't mean I was allowed to act however I wanted, whine, cry, raise my voice etc. When an adult said "no" that was the end of the discussion. IMO seven is old enough to know better. 

[GreatKazu]

Briana: "I axed her..." 

It's the least of that girl's problems but, that shit bugs me. 

[Quilty]

9 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

I find Jenelle 100% more repulsive due to the drugs and complete and utter disregard for her children's safety and well being. Kailyn is a nasty abuser and a nasty person, but I don't think she would ever put her boys in harms way, allow someone to mistreat them, let them be unclean/hungry etc like Jenelle would. Everyone she has watching them does care for them and is responsible. 

I agree Kailyn needs to stop having children. Not everyone excels at being a primary caregiver so just stop. 

If Kail didn't have Joe and Javi to take the boys as often as they do I'm sure we'd see her unleash that unpredictable temper on her boys for sure. She is a very impatient bitch.

[GreatKazu]

Did I hear Jenelle right? She started telling David why she was going to court. She said, "My mom told me about...uh...there are beer cans all over his house." Was that a slip of the tongue there? Barb told her about the beer cans? 

[qtpi17]

2 hours ago, Christina said:

Between Brianna and her family's outrage that the man she knew for 30 minutes before she got pregnant was also sleeping with others and Kail's nasty self, this show was awful. I muted Brianna once the coven had decided they all were dying from a terminal disease because the baby daddy wasn't faithful, unmuted for Chelsea's scene introducing the baby, muted Kail whining, unmuted Corey, turned channels. 

Kail is so clearly pregnant while filming, what difference does it make that Sterling said it? Very clearly pregnant. 

Are they really trying to work around Karl's pregnancy? 

[JocelynCavanaugh]

From now on I'm always recording this to watch later so I can FF Briana's scenes. She is just dumb and trashy and I hate her voice and I don't want to hear about her festering landfill of a life. 

Kailyn seems to go from zero to shrewasaurus every time she's around Javi. What is the deal? It's totally irrational and I don't appreciate her putting me in a position where I feel bad for that guy!

When Leah's professor asked who liked mathematics I totally would've raised my hand. I don't love it but come on, help a guy out! Start the semester off on a positive note! (I could be slightly biased here since I also teach apathetic freshmen in a subject they think they don't need...)

[Hagosaurus]

2 hours ago, pheebs said:

Leah - "Do you want to hear about me at school?" and the kids yell back "blahblahblah blah!"  Yeah, girlses, we know, we know. WALMART!  

Leah never gets away with anything when greasy is around. That kid has her number.

Leah: Do you want to hear about My day at school?

Gracie: (hands over ears) Fuck no! I'm sick of listening to your bullshit! Shouldn't you have a job by now?

[Hagosaurus]

2 hours ago, woodscommaelle said:

Brianna's sister needs to just stop talking.  Jenelle too. 

Ugh. They both are so self-righteous. And they have that tone.

[druzy]

27 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

Did I hear Jenelle right? She started telling David why she was going to court. She said, "My mom told me about...uh...there are beer cans all over his house." Was that a slip of the tongue there? Barb told her about the beer cans? 

I thought I heard that too!

[bethster2000]

TeamNathan.  No apologies.

[nikita]

Luis: I'm all about family...unless it gets in the way of my tomcatting around.

[GreatKazu]

5 minutes ago, druzy said:

I thought I heard that too!

I am recording the show on the DVR. I will check it out tomorrow. 

But if she did say Barb, then she is lying about not talking to her mom, and she sure doesn't have an issue with her mother if that is how she is finding out things. 

At this rate Gracie and Ali will graduate from college before Leah. 

[Hagosaurus]

2 hours ago, poeticlicensed said:

Wtf was the big deal about packing their shit if Janelle and ubt were renting a FURNISHED house?

Absolutely this! What the fuck was that?!?! I mean really, she couldn't load a couple of heftys with her shit and take the kid to chill at the new place that's turn-key so that they wouldn't fight, Kaiser wouldn't be in the way and there would be a lot less chaos for everyone. Her storyline is so gross.

Edited July 25, 2017 by Hagosaurus

[Mkay]

Kail is on twitter saying she had a bad year.  ? She also claims that she didn't want to appear fake. Huh? We know you're hulk Kail. Her segments make me so angry. 

 

I agree about Aubree being old enough to know better.  It's an outing for adults and she is too old for a temper tantrum.  I blame that part on the Adam DNA. Hahaha

[poopchute]

44 minutes ago, qtpi17 said:

Are they really trying to work around Karl's pregnancy? 

I don't understand why she was upset about the pregnancy comment on the phone. Did she think this season was airing live, in real time?  She had to know that by the time the episode aired, her pregnancy would be public. Right??

[ReadMeLattice]

I don't like Nathan because he has that similar Jenelle's World tendency of blaming everything on everyone else. "The brat always get what she wants." Wellllll, maybe, but your continued arrests for violence and disruption and your ongoing addiction *might* play a role in the judge's decision, perhaps? Especially since both you and Jenelle have ANOTHER kid that you don't have any custody of? Personally I can't ever have any love for him-- anybody who abuses their partners and doesn't come out and own up to it and work on it actively is a piece of shit, man or woman. Hence my ongoing hatred for Amber, Kail, & David as well.

6 minutes ago, poopchute said:

I don't understand why she was upset about the pregnancy comment on the phone. Did she think this season was airing live, in real time?  She had to know that by the time the episode aired, her pregnancy would be public. Right??

I took it as she just wasn't ready to discuss it with producers yet? Which is ultra stupid because it was so incredibly obvious?

Personally I didn't see anything wrong with how C/C handled Aubree. She is a cute, sweet kid, but she is spoiled (at least partly Chelsea's fault) and sometimes bratty.

Edited July 25, 2017 by Lm2162

[nikita]

What happened to those little short (often humorous) clips during the commercial break around 40:00?

Also: f_ck you Kail, you sexist jerk. ("Girls and their drama.")

[GreatKazu]

I think Aubree is used to getting her way at her paternal grandparents' house. She may get a lot of leeway. We are not privy to her visits over there but, we know she spends her visitation with them a lot more than her dad. I bet they are the laid-back kinda grandparents. When Aubree is with Chelsea, she tries to pull that shit with her. Chelsea has been pretty consistent with laying down the law with her. She lays out what the consequence will be if she continues, and eventually she doles out the consequence. It was a melt-down. I dealt with those many times with my youngest. That evil eye look just didn't work on him like it did on the rest of my brood. All kids are different. lol 

@Lm2162 so true. Nathan blames others instead of checking himself. Now, he has to have supervised visitation when he has Kaiser. My question is, who supervises Kaiser when he is with UBT and Jenelle? 

Edited July 25, 2017 by GreatKazu
Kaiser not Nathan

[guilfoyleatpp]

2 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

I thought Chelsea handled it well. Aubrey is old enough to know not to back talk to adults and not start crying just because she didn't get her way. She is 7 not 2-3yrs old.

 My Mom was "old school"- I was allowed to have feelings and express those feelings with the appropriate tone towards my elders but that didn't mean I was allowed to act however I wanted, whine, cry, raise my voice etc. When an adult said "no" that was the end of the discussion. IMO seven is old enough to know better. 

Meh, parenting evolves. My parents were pretty old school too.

I almost wrote in my first post that the approach I suggested probably wouldn't work with a kid like Jace, say.  All kids are different and respond to different things.

I try not to humiliate  my kid or anyone else's kid who is in my care. I consider having a contest of wills in front of other people (or cameras) to be humiliating for them. What do they learn from being humiliated? 

The parent is obviously going to win. You have all the power. Why not reasonably acknowledge that you understand that the kid is having big feelings while letting them know that their behavior isn't acceptable? Aubree seems like the kind of kid who would respond to that.

One of the great things about being an old ass parent (aside from financial and relationship stability) is that one has much more patience, perspective and gives zero fucks about what anyone else thinks about the kid or the parenting style.

YMMV...it's definitely not for all kids or all people. I'm also blessed with a super laid back kid who has had zero tantrums ever. They're all different...