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The Lonely Js Club: James, Jackson & Johannah

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Ijustwantsomechips
Ijustwantsomechips

Maybe Jana needs her own thread as a token of the respect she’ll never garner as a single woman in Gothardland.  

andromeda331
andromeda331

How about both hop in the plane close the door really quickly and fly off.  Abbie: "Where are we going?" JD: Cayman Islands. We're elope. And we're not coming back! Abbie: Wait we need

BitterApple
BitterApple

Wow, so this is what, the fourth guy to publicly release a statement denying involvement with Jana? That must be doing wonders for her self-esteem.  These guys are starting to piss me off, though

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Maybe Jed! wanted it. I doubt there are any other women or exciting new adventures on the horizon, and Daddy says it will make him even godlier and more likely to win his next race. Maybe as one of the more ambitious and less good looking guys in the pack, this was a chance Jed! jumped at.

ETA: I think we're going to see Jeer court or get engaged very soon now, too. The twins seem close and I think it'll be too lonely and weird for Jeer to be left behind on his own once Jed! is gone.

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Zella

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15 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Screenshot of the swanky pad the Nakatsus just bought in Arkansas. JimBob must be having orgasms right now. 

 

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I saw that last night! They bought the house and a separate plot of land. The house was bought in December so at least a few weeks before the betrothal. Ol' Kory is just as thirsty as Hilaria in his own way, I suspect! 

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BitterApple

BitterApple

10 minutes ago, Zella said:

I saw that last night! They bought the house and a separate plot of land. The house was bought in December so at least a few weeks before the betrothal. Ol' Kory is just as thirsty as Hilaria in his own way, I suspect! 

I can picture Dwain Swanson  weeping into his corn flakes. He uprooted his family to ride Duggar coattails, and only got to be Boob's prized pig for a couple of months.

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jennblevins

jennblevins

2 hours ago, laurakaye said:

Just curious why Jed! got a Biblically Betrothed spouse and the rest did not...was it purely so JB could choose an appropriate spouse for his future congressman son?  And if he did this for Jed!, why not do it for the rest of the J-boys that got skipped in the lineup when teenage Justin got hitched?

For all we know, the rest of them are currently in the process of getting spouses assigned and that information just hasn’t made it out to the public.  Although the suspicious part of me wonders if the betrothal and information “leak” were engineered to distract us from something else ...

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

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2 hours ago, rue721 said:

Maybe Jed! wanted it. 

Jed! may also have career ambitions that cause him to want a father-in-law who can fork over some funding, too, I think. Whereas the others seem to be pretty content hanging around solely in JB's enterprises, JB and Jed! may still cherish other dreams for Jed!. And a well-off father-in-law can help. 

RE: the money topic -- We've heard numerous rumors of Lauren Caldwell pre-courting this and that Duggar over time. But I have a feeling that Lauren now is in the "last-resort' basket of possible Duggarling brides.

I don't think JB is as oblivious to the limitations of his wealth as many of his fans seem to be when it comes to totting up what the clan will need and want as JB and M age and the young hordes expand exponentially. If they can get some in-laws into the mix who can also help out the young families with employment and cash, it'll make a huge difference for them, I expect. But Paul Caldwell has 9 youngish kids with only one out of the house and that one's already sucking on the Duggar teat; may produce yet more young kids (and wants to, I'm sure); and as a preacher-mechanic clearly hasn't prospered financially and is unlikely to do so with that as his career. That makes Lauren a not-very-desirable-Duggarling-bride, I'd bet. In the -- 'We'll take her if we can't get somebody whose parents will be financial contributors" sense. 

Two times in a row now, Duggarlings have hooked up with Gothardite families with profitable businesses, and I expect JB will be pushing to continue that streak.  I expect them to really beat the bushes for not just families with money but families who are Gothardites, rather than other brands of fundie, too, since it's the Gothardites who really seem to have bought the brainwashing about the Duggs being something very special. 

Also noting that an Arkansas Gothard compound seems to be forming around JB and M. Yikes. 

 

21 minutes ago, Zella said:

When you play the game of Jim Boob, you lose or you lose. 😉 

You may just not realize you lost right at first.....

But soon.....soon......

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JoanArc

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36 minutes ago, Zella said:

I saw that last night! They bought the house and a separate plot of land. The house was bought in December so at least a few weeks before the betrothal. Ol' Kory is just as thirsty as Hilaria in his own way, I suspect! 

 Maybe it’s an all about Eve situation with Kory Going after Jim Bob’s role.

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laurakaye

laurakaye

1 hour ago, Zella said:

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I'm also not opposed to--hear me out--putting Jim Bob, Dwain, Kory, and Hilaria on a small deserted island and seeing what happens. 

Survivor: Fundie Edition.  Can we put Josh and JillRod out there too?

I think the idea of Fundie Big Brother was kicked around as well but I like the deserted island much better.  JB without his AquaNet and Hilaria without her phone?  Josh with no snacks, JillRod with no makeup?  I would pay to see who melts down first. 

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BitterApple

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Holy shit. The Nakatsu rabbit hole gets even deeper. Apparently, Katey's half-brother and bio mom Kim were featured on World's Strictest Parents. Kim seems like a dingbat and the boy is an entitled, racist douche. Kim is also wearing a bright pink bra under a sheer white top. Classy. Kory is fifty shades of crazy, but there may be a reason he got custody. I'm also confused on how many times Kim's been married? According to Reddit, she re-wed after Kory, so would that be three? I can't even keep up with this shit anymore.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DuggarsSnark/comments/mbltp3/kateys_older_half_brother_was_on_worlds_strictest/

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Churchhoney

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1 hour ago, BitterApple said:

Holy shit. The Nakatsu rabbit hole gets even deeper. Apparently, Katey's half-brother and bio mom Kim were featured on World's Strictest Parents. Kim seems like a dingbat and the boy is an entitled, racist douche. Kim is also wearing a bright pink bra under a sheer white top. Classy. Kory is fifty shades of crazy, but there may be a reason he got custody. I'm also confused on how many times Kim's been married? According to Reddit, she re-wed after Kory, so would that be three? I can't even keep up with this shit anymore.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DuggarsSnark/comments/mbltp3/kateys_older_half_brother_was_on_worlds_strictest/

I think Kim was at least married twice, unless Flanigan is also her married name.

When the web mentions names connected to hers, you tend to get Kimberly Flanigan, Kimberly Nakatsu and KImberly Roberts. There may be more, but those are the only ones I've seen. And I've also seen Kimberly Flanigan Nakatsu and Kimberly Flanigan Roberts.....And currently she seems to come up as Flanigan.

So I think what's most l likely is that Flanigan is her maiden name and she was married to Nakatsu and then Roberts. (or the other way around) But that she's not currently married. 

Yeah -- the last name of the brother from World's Strictest Parents is Roberts. I've seen that guy's alleged first name, but I don't remember what it was....Frank? 

 

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GeeGolly

GeeGolly

11 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Holy shit. The Nakatsu rabbit hole gets even deeper. Apparently, Katey's half-brother and bio mom Kim were featured on World's Strictest Parents. Kim seems like a dingbat and the boy is an entitled, racist douche. Kim is also wearing a bright pink bra under a sheer white top. Classy. Kory is fifty shades of crazy, but there may be a reason he got custody. I'm also confused on how many times Kim's been married? According to Reddit, she re-wed after Kory, so would that be three? I can't even keep up with this shit anymore.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DuggarsSnark/comments/mbltp3/kateys_older_half_brother_was_on_worlds_strictest/

She must have a good paying job or gets some crazy ass child support!

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BitterApple

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I found Kim's Facebook page. She got married April of 2020. I'm assuming Flanigan is her maiden name, and she declined to change it for the third go-around. There's also lots of pictures of her with Katey and her sister. Everyone looks happy and at-ease, so I'm assuming there's a good relationship there.

This is going to be one interesting wedding.....

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Nysha

Nysha

3 hours ago, Zella said:

I'm also not opposed to--hear me out--putting Jim Bob, Dwain, Kory, and Hilaria on a small deserted island and seeing what happens. 

I'd totally watch a Survivor-like show with all the Duggar adults and Duggar in-laws on a small deserted island. My bet is it would turn into a Lord of the Flies remake in less than a week.

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Churchhoney

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49 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

I found Kim's Facebook page. She got married April of 2020. I'm assuming Flanigan is her maiden name, and she declined to change it for the third go-around. 

This is going to be one interesting wedding.....

This was probably a good call. 😁

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madpsych78

madpsych78

Sounds like the bio mom is normal in many respects. Still snarkable, but definitely not fundie. 

Katie Joy from Without a Crystal Ball spilled some tea...take it with a grain of salt, but with respect to courtships, this is what she shared:

  • Jana, Jer, and Jason are supposedly dating/courting. Jana and Jer with the Wissmans, not sure about who is tied to Jason.
  • Lauren Caldwell is NOT tied with any Duggar son. 

And, she also shared info about the personalities of many of the Duggar children, based on some of her sources who have talked with her.

  • Evidently, most of the older Duggars (through Joe) are really nice. Especially JD, Jill, and Joe, but even Jana and, believe it or not, Jessa.
  • Not much was shared about Josh or Jinger.
  • Of the middle Duggars (Josiah through Justin), they are perceived as more arrogant and stuck-up compared to their older counterparts - perhaps because more of their life has been spent on TV. Joy, Jed, and Justin were singled out as being arrogant/snobby, whereas Josiah was described as a handful. (again, take with a grain of salt because OH HEY it's all the married middle ones)
  • Evidently Kendra did engage in pre-courting with Jed! initially, but then ended up with Joe (a better choice, in my opinion).
  • Not much described of the youngest Duggars (Jackson on down).

And, (interesting if true) evidently Boob and Paul Caldwell had a falling out. It does seem like there is less happening with Dwain Swanson as well, so I guess Kory Nakatsu is the main dish of the day for Boob. Eventually Boob will tire of him too.

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BitterApple

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27 minutes ago, Zella said:

Any word on what Jim Bob and Paul Caldwell allegedly got into it about?

I saw the WOACB video, and it had something to do with the running of Paul's church. 

I think Katie's info with regards to Duggars and personalities is fairly accurate.

Jed's always come off like a smug jerk, and I can see the rest of the Howlers having a similar entitlement complex. They spent the majority of their lives receiving perks and free trips thanks to their mother's uterus. I can believe they have loads of unearned confidence. 

Interesting though if the Jer/Jason courtships are true. Boob certainly seems to be having a fire sale on his middle group of sons. Why the sudden rush to unload offspring?

 

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lianau

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1 hour ago, BitterApple said:

Holy shit. The Nakatsu rabbit hole gets even deeper. Apparently, Katey's half-brother and bio mom Kim were featured on World's Strictest Parents. Kim seems like a dingbat and the boy is an entitled, racist douche. Kim is also wearing a bright pink bra under a sheer white top. Classy. Kory is fifty shades of crazy, but there may be a reason he got custody. I'm also confused on how many times Kim's been married? According to Reddit, she re-wed after Kory, so would that be three? I can't even keep up with this shit anymore.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DuggarsSnark/comments/mbltp3/kateys_older_half_brother_was_on_worlds_strictest/

So Duggarlings are now marrying World's Strictest Parents cast members ? 

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Zella

Zella

1 hour ago, BitterApple said:

I saw the WOACB video, and it had something to do with the running of Paul's church. 

I think Katie's info with regards to Duggars and personalities is fairly accurate.

Jed's always come off like a smug jerk, and I can see the rest of the Howlers having a similar entitlement complex. They spent the majority of their lives receiving perks and free trips thanks to their mother's uterus. I can believe they have loads of unearned confidence. 

Interesting though if the Jer/Jason courtships are true. Boob certainly seems to be having a fire sale on his middle group of sons. Why the sudden rush to unload offspring?

 

I LOL'd so hard at "fire sale."

Actual footage of Jim Bob pimping out his sons:

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iwantcookies

iwantcookies

8 hours ago, Zella said:

I saw that last night! They bought the house and a separate plot of land. The house was bought in December so at least a few weeks before the betrothal. Ol' Kory is just as thirsty as Hilaria in his own way, I suspect! 

Where I live that will get you a tiny apartment. Forget a house. Wow. Location, location, location.

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Panopticon

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27 minutes ago, Heathen said:

Nah, it'll be "The Lonely J Club: Jana," for another two years until Johannah is added. 

Bold of you to assume Hannie won’t pull a Justin and skip that thread entirely. Jana may finally get a thread of her own because all 18 of her siblings will get married off first. 

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cmr2014

cmr2014

1 hour ago, iwantcookies said:

At the rate the J are getting married this thread will be empty.

 

I hope that's the case. I'm no big fan of child brides and arranged marriages, but for the most part I think they're happier out of the TTH.

As much as I bristle at the "my spouse is my BEST FRIEND" thing that they parrot all the time, none of them has ever really had a friend, and their siblings were all encouraged to tattle on them. While there are a couple of spouses who I think were selected as informants (Anna and Lauren), for the most part, I think that their marriages are the first opportunity that they've ever had to simply have an unfiltered conversation with another person.

The boys at least are getting fed better and living in clean houses with clean clothes. They get human affection (and sex!), and they can go to the bathroom alone. It's a pretty good deal when the alternative is the TTH.

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Zella

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5 hours ago, madpsych78 said:

 

  • Evidently, most of the older Duggars (through Joe) are really nice. Especially JD, Jill, and Joe, but even Jana and, believe it or not, Jessa.

  • Of the middle Duggars (Josiah through Justin), they are perceived as more arrogant and stuck-up compared to their older counterparts - perhaps because more of their life has been spent on TV. Joy, Jed, and Justin were singled out as being arrogant/snobby, whereas Josiah was described as a handful. (again, take with a grain of salt because OH HEY it's all the married middle ones)

FWIW, from what I have heard from people who have encountered them in social settings, the Duggars can certainly be quite pleasant in a superficial way, so I do believe this is true. 

This is of course very dated, but I had some relatives who met them back when Jim Bob was campaigning for office. And of course politicians are going to be pleasant while campaigning, so the fact the adults found the kids nice and well-mannered didn't surprise me. Of more interest to me was one of my cousin's impressions. She and Jill are about the same age, give or take a few months, and she was around the Duggars at some fundraising dinner in the early 2000s because she was dragged along by her parents. She would have been 10/11.

I don't think she interacted much with the boys because she didn't mention them when she told me this story a few years ago, but she said the girls her age were nice to her. She said Jill in particular was very sweet to her. But she also told me even as a sheltered homeschooled child herself, she found the whole thing weird. They didn't get to play with each other or socialize with each other like normal kids that age would have at an event. My cousin said the older girls were running around trying to watch the younger kids and feed them pizza while the adults did their thing, and she felt sorry for them and tried to help. So, that was her context of spending a couple of hours with them when they were tweens. 

In any event, I wouldn't be surprised that the older ones are better trained to keep sweet in basic interactions. They probably remember the days of being paraded around at their dad's campaign stops, and though I don't think Jim Bob and Michelle were ever terribly hands-on, I do think the older siblings had more parenting from actual adults than the younger ones did and probably do have better memories of life before TV "fame." 

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cmr2014

cmr2014

22 minutes ago, Zella said:

FWIW, from what I have heard from people who have encountered them in social settings, the Duggars can certainly be quite pleasant in a superficial way, so I do believe this is true. 

This is of course very dated, but I had some relatives who met them back when Jim Bob was campaigning for office. And of course politicians are going to be pleasant while campaigning, so the fact the adults found the kids nice and well-mannered didn't surprise me. Of more interest to me was one of my cousin's impressions. She and Jill are about the same age, give or take a few months, and she was around the Duggars at some fundraising dinner in the early 2000s because she was dragged along by her parents. She would have been 10/11.

I don't think she interacted much with the boys because she didn't mention them when she told me this story a few years ago, but she said the girls her age were nice to her. She said Jill in particular was very sweet to her. But she also told me even as a sheltered homeschooled child herself, she found the whole thing weird. They didn't get to play with each other or socialize with each other like normal kids that age would have at an event. My cousin said the older girls were running around trying to watch the younger kids and feed them pizza while the adults did their thing, and she felt sorry for them and tried to help. So, that was her context of spending a couple of hours with them when they were tweens. 

In any event, I wouldn't be surprised that the older ones are better trained to keep sweet in basic interactions. They probably remember the days of being paraded around at their dad's campaign stops, and though I don't think Jim Bob and Michelle were ever terribly hands-on, I do think the older siblings had more parenting from actual adults than the younger ones did and probably do have better memories of life before TV "fame." 

I think you're right about the older kids. I was a sister-mom when I was a teen, and I thought I was a really good "mother." I certainly cared more about my siblings than my parents ever seemed to care about me or my older siblings. I played with them, read to them, fed them, and looked after them and I thought I did a good job. The reality is, though, that they have struggled as adults.

Teenage siblings aren't parents. It matters when adults essentially abandon their kids, and it has lasting effects. For all that terms like "the howlers" and "the lost girls" are snark, there's some truth there. I think that there will be real issues going forward with the youngest dozen or so.

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madpsych78

madpsych78

6 hours ago, lianau said:

So Duggarlings are now marrying World's Strictest Parents cast members ? 

To be fair, Kim's son appeared to be playing the "rebel" role in this show. Her son would be the one who would be shipped off to the Forsyths and Austin would probably look at him like he's a freak LOL. And Mr. and Mrs. Forsyth would try to set him straight.

Also, I'm guessing that neither Kory nor Katey were on the show if Kim and Kory were divorced by that time and Kim was raising him as a single mother.

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Churchhoney

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10 hours ago, Heathen said:

Nah, it'll be "The Lonely J Club: Jana," for another two years until Johannah is added. 

Unless he pulls a Justin, Jackson'll be eligible in about a year and a half. 

Although I suppose the way things are going right now, it wouldn't be surprising if Jackson surprise-photobombed his own wedding sometime in the summer of 2022. 

(He turns 17 this May)

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1 hour ago, Churchhoney said:

Unless he pulls a Justin, Jackson'll be eligible in about a year and a half. 

Although I suppose the way things are going right now, it wouldn't be surprising if Jackson surprise-photobombed his own wedding sometime in the summer of 2022. 

(He turns 17 this May)

I forgot about Jackson. And his birth was on the first special I watched. 

I preemptively submit "I Forgot About Jackson...and Random Girl's Name" as his thread title when the inevitable courtship/engagement/marriage happens in the next few years. 

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Discussing the charges against Jana is fine, but do not post any information that reveals her address/contact information- even if said documents are public (i.e. a part of court proceedings.)

Discussing charges against Jana is NOT a jumping off point to speculate on other instances abuse/neglect etc towards the M-children or to elaborate on Josh's conviction and potential victims.  

 

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