S06.E22: Viva Las Vegas

[Calm81]

Is it just me or is Catelynn trying to look more presentable these past episodes? She's wearing nicer tops and during that dinner with Tyler's mom she had her hair in a nice bun. 

Idk, maybe I'm trying too hard to say something nice about these asshats but I haven't seen the ugly zebra hoody and she's brushing her hair and wearing makeup. She just needs to STOP with the sideswept bangs. 

Edited May 24, 2017 by Calm81

[imjagain]

5 hours ago, LotusFlower said:

I just watched the aftershow and I agree.  He is so slimy, and it was gross to see Amber and Nessa accept all his excuses.  They all acted like his only transgression was using the f word, but what about everything else he said and did?  Total pass.  He totally tried to manipulate Amber in the wedding chapel, but no one brought this up.  He called Amber a "fucking psycho ass," but because he didn't call her a bitch (like stupid Nessa thought), he gets away with it ("See?  I didn't call her a bitch!)  The blow job remark?  No mention.   Then he's asked about dealing with naysayers, and he gives the finger.  Class personified.  And Amber thinks she's so "haute." 

Another thing I noticed - when Matt was talking about how he "doesn't do this for free" (meaning he takes all the criticism on the chin because "the job" pays so well), Nessa changed the topic right quick.  MTV hates when the cast talks about the fat pay checks.  Especially to friends/boyfriends/peripheral players.  Kinda throws cold water on the whole reality or documentary concept.

And didn't you just love how Amber was all "stop that" smacking his hand asking MTV to blur that? This is the same woman who stomped on stage and tried punch Farrah ,  and was ranting like a lunatic. All the while her child was back stage. 

I'm sorry, I know I should feel for Amber because Matt is a scumbag con man and he is definitely using her.  There is just something that pisses me off. She has so much evidence on film that the man is a creep and still she stays. Idk why, but Amber pisses me off. 

[butterbody]

I saw an item from C&T's line. It was a tiny pair of lace hot pants. Absolutely disturbing.

I loved the scene when Cait is cleaning Nova's room and Tyler is just sitting there, talking her ear off and not picking up anything, and nova walks up to him and yells SIT! And I'm thinking, yeah, sit on your ass, dickwad.

[mamadrama]

Matt was more concerned with how he looked on TV than the fact that his gf was having a panic attack at the thought of marrying him.

[Chris Knight]

I don't know why this bugs me so much, considering his list of faults is about 500k miles long, but I can't stand it when Matt gives the finger. He did it that stupid book photo session and it's just so immature. He and I are about the same age and I cannot remember the last time I saw someone give the finger. God, grow the hell up.

[CofCinci]

8 minutes ago, ChicagoChris said:

I don't know why this bugs me so much, considering his list of faults is about 500k miles long, but I can't stand it when Matt gives the finger. He did it that stupid book photo session and it's just so immature. He and I are about the same age and I cannot remember the last time I saw someone give the finger. God, grow the hell up.

Seriously.  You know that Bender from The Breakfast Club is his spirit animal.  Matt is such a rebel. Bababoey!!!

[butterbody]

13 minutes ago, ChicagoChris said:

I don't know why this bugs me so much, considering his list of faults is about 500k miles long, but I can't stand it when Matt gives the finger. He did it that stupid book photo session and it's just so immature. He and I are about the same age and I cannot remember the last time I saw someone give the finger. God, grow the hell up.

Cause he's a bad ass, dude! 

[Inga]

14 hours ago, Christina said:

Farrah probably doesn't let any man near her money, so the leeches like Matt would have no interest. She has many, many, many faults, but controls her finances expertly.

I don't know why I think this, and did a quick search and couldn't find anything, but I think Taylor's non-MTV job was installing custom kitchens. When he and his friends were shown talking once, maybe with the barber but I don't really remember, I thought he said something about waiting for a new job to go through since sales were slow. Like when you order through Lowe's or Home Depot and can pay extra for installation, as opposed to hiring a contractor first. The installers are private contractors. 

Sounds like I'm going to have to track down this episode to watch, along with the after show. 

Totally agree about Farrah--she would have the guy sign a pre-nup.

[LilaFowler]

I finally watched this -- WOW, Ryan was high as a kite when he and Narc were looking at reception venues. How can she just sit there and pretend like everything is normal? Ryan needs rehab.

Farrah and Debra continue to be weird.

[Mambo Gladys]

Re Farrah's men: At least the guys she has been with actually have jobs, support themselves, and don't have a criminal record or a bunch of baby mamas. She's bat shit crazy, but at least she chooses men who aren't the scum of the earth. She also doesn't move them into her house after 2 dates (Jenelle) and have a "miracle baby" (Maci) to trap them.  Simon's kind of a turd in his own way, but at least he's probably not using Farrah for her money. 

[Jax7917]

21 hours ago, poopchute said:

Agree on the no chemistry. When Taylor proposed Maci's response was "finally."  So romantic!

I agree. But I also think Maci would be like that with anyone. She has a very laid back/ one note personality. I can't see her being lovey dovey/cutesy with anybody she'd be with. 

36 minutes ago, Inga said:

Totally agree about Farrah--she would have the guy sign a pre-nup.

I actually disagree. She seems so desperate to get married that she bought her own ring. She constantly pays for her moms plastic surgeries and remember hearing that she pays her parents. I think she's the type to give her money to anyone who will be in her presence since no one will do it for free.

[ginger90]

If you were Gary, how would you feel in real time, about Leah spending the weekend at Amber's? (I say real time because if he watches the show, I'm sure he wasn't aware of 3/4 of this crap.)

[GreatKazu]

4 minutes ago, Jaclyn88 said:

I agree. But I also think Maci would be like that with anyone. She has a very laid back/ one note personality. I can't see her being lovey dovey/cutesy with anybody she'd be with. 

I actually disagree. She seems so desperate to get married that she bought her own ring. She constantly pays for her moms plastic surgeries and remember hearing that she pays her parents. I think she's the type to give her money to anyone who will be in her presence since no one will do it for free.

Farrah LOANED her mom money for her facial procedure. She didn't give her the money. She should pay her parents for all the babysitting they do. I surely don't see Farrah giving away her money unless it is an investment or to benefit her in some way. 

[Cherry Cola]

12 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

If you were Gary, how would you feel in real time, about Leah spending the weekend at Amber's? (I say real time because if he watches the show, I'm sure he wasn't aware of 3/4 of this crap.)

I wouldn't want Leah anywhere near Matt.  He is just trouble.  And I would be worried for Amber.  Something ain't right. 

[guilfoyleatpp]

14 hours ago, DeeReynolds said:

Thank you MTV for the close-up shots of Maci and her friend chowing on chicken wings. Seriously??

I'm glad you pointed that out. It reminded me.  The talk around that made me think that her friend was hesitant to chow down on wings in front of the camera.  So just to be extra dicks and show their contempt for everyone who agrees to be on this show, they showed a tight shot of her biting into a messy wing.

Dicks.

[teapot]

20 hours ago, ChicagoChris said:

I don't know why this bugs me so much, considering his list of faults is about 500k miles long, but I can't stand it when Matt gives the finger. He did it that stupid book photo session and it's just so immature. He and I are about the same age and I cannot remember the last time I saw someone give the finger. God, grow the hell up.

Once my mom was driving up the road & my dad was driving down the road & they gave each other the finger!  I was a kid, and that was comedy gold at the time!

Edited May 25, 2017 by teapot

[ghoulina]

18 hours ago, bounnatalie said:

One other non-Amber/Matt thought. Given what is supposedly going on with Ryan (? drugs ?TBI) why would McKenzie want to marry him?  Their segments are chemistry-free and somewhat like a transaction. I wish MTV would show some footage of their love so we could better understand.

She is his nurse. The Edwards pay her. They have even LESS chemistry than Maci and Taylor, if that's possible. She talks to him like a teacher half the time. I'm not even joking when I speculate this. Someone check if homegirl has a license for being a medical assistant or caretaker or something. 

8 minutes ago, teapot said:

Once my mom was driving up the road & my dad was driving down the road & they gave each other the finger!  I was a kid, and that was comedy gold st the time!

I flip my husband off all the time. There's something about the way Matt does it, though. He just thinks he's super cool and edgy, but he's just an old, stinky nerd. No, he's not even cool enough to be a nerd. He's a pathetic troll.

[poeticlicensed]

Even Massholes think Matt is a dick. And that's saying something. 

[ginger90]

11 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

She is his nurse. The Edwards pay her. They have even LESS chemistry than Maci and Taylor, if that's possible. She talks to him like a teacher half the time. I'm not even joking when I speculate this. Someone check if homegirl has a license for being a medical assistant or caretaker or something. 

I found a bio, not sure of accuracy, that states she attended nursing school. It doesn't say she completed the program.

[ghoulina]

8 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

I found a bio, not sure of accuracy, that states she attended nursing school. It doesn't say she completed the program.

Mmmmmhmmm. Ya see? If she didn't complete it, the Edwardses may have even retained her for a discounted rate. 

[GreatKazu]

14 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

Mmmmmhmmm. Ya see? If she didn't complete it, the Edwardses may have even retained her for a discounted rate. 

I love your theory and how your mind thinks. 

I am at the point where I believe it is possible. She is also there for the MTV money train and by having a future "handicapped" spouse, she is in control. She must have had a real bad first marriage if Ryan is a winner in her eyes. 

[CofCinci]

1 hour ago, saratothej said:

Re Farrah's men: At least the guys she has been with actually have jobs, support themselves, and don't have a criminal record or a bunch of baby mamas. She's bat shit crazy, but at least she chooses men who aren't the scum of the earth. She also doesn't move them into her house after 2 dates (Jenelle) and have a "miracle baby" (Maci) to trap them.  Simon's kind of a turd in his own way, but at least he's probably not using Farrah for her money. 

Guys? Outside of Simon and Dead Daddy Derrick, she Farrah really dated?

[GreatKazu]

4 minutes ago, CofCinci said:

Guys? Outside of Simon and Dead Daddy Derrick, she Farrah really dated?

Don't forget Daniel. 

[poeticlicensed]

1 minute ago, GreatKazu said:

Don't forget Daniel. 

Was he the one who she went to visit and he took off and left her in a hotel when she asked him when he was going to propose? They had about 3 dates, if I am remembering. 

[GreatKazu]

6 minutes ago, poeticlicensed said:

Was he the one who she went to visit and he took off and left her in a hotel when she asked him when he was going to propose? They had about 3 dates, if I am remembering. 

Yes. They had dated for a month when Farrah started pushing him into proposing. 

He left her in a hotel because he didn't want to be with her after how she talked to his family and friends. That part wasn't shown on television, but we did get the scene where Farrah called Daniel's mom a "lone bird". 

[Mambo Gladys]

1 hour ago, GreatKazu said:

Yes. They had dated for a month when Farrah started pushing him into proposing. 

He left her in a hotel because he didn't want to be with her after how she talked to his family and friends. That part wasn't shown on television, but we did get the scene where Farrah called Daniel's mom a "lone bird". 

Thank you, I couldn't remember his name. He's the one from when she was in Florida, correct? Plus, didn't she claim to be dating the porn guy whose name I've forgotten? Something Deen? 

Edited May 24, 2017 by saratothej

[GreatKazu]

9 minutes ago, saratothej said:

Thank you, I couldn't remember his name. He's the one from when she was in Florida, correct? Plus, didn't she claim to be dating the porn guy whose name I've forgotten? Something Deen? 

Farrah claimed they dated. She also accused him of rape. 

Not sure why this article popped up at the top of the Google page when I was looking for something, but it was a People article from two months ago. Amber goes into the wedding details, how many people are going to be invited and how at least 50 of them she doesn't even know. She mentions what style of dress she was looking for, how busy she is but goes to the gym 3 times a week and eats well. Oh, that is really funny. Matt said in the previous episode how busy Amber is and how they have eaten take out for a month straight. She states she invited ALL the Teen Moms from both shows. She talks about her sobriety (ha!) and her medications. She talks about the work she had done on her body and then remarks she doesn't believe in major plastic surgery. Alrighty then It is pretty funny to read knowing it is all bullshit: http://people.com/tv/amber-portwood-staying-sober-liposuction-wedding-plans/

Her constant talk about wanting to be a role model for Leah can just stop now. It is no longer funny. It is downright disgraceful. Especially now that we know she visited Vivid Entertainment about possibly doing a porno. 

[Jax7917]

4 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

Farrah LOANED her mom money for her facial procedure. She didn't give her the money. She should pay her parents for all the babysitting they do. I surely don't see Farrah giving away her money unless it is an investment or to benefit her in some way. 

Didn't Farrah also pay for simons and her families trip to Hawaii where he ended up leaving her and doing his own thing when he got there ? Oh believe me , I don't blame people for taking money from her  because of how she treats them .. but she definitely is not tight with her money 

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

On May 18, 2017 at 0:07 AM, Emmierose said:

On a softer note regarding Amber, I don't think she is primarily worried about being wrong about Matt and that's why she stays.   I really get the sense that she is a messed up, lonely girl, whose father died not too long ago and Matt the creeper is using that to his advantage.  I've lost a parent and it honestly took me a few years to think straight again.   Sure I functioned, went to work, paid my bills etc, but looking back now, I was not fully engaged a lot of the time.  You're just in a fog for a while.   I hope for Amber and Leah's sake that Matt is out of the picture sooner rather than later. 

I definitely think the fact that her dad just died played heavily on Amber becoming such a ripe mark for Matt.

On May 22, 2017 at 8:45 PM, druzy said:

Matt is disgusting! He told the producer "I don't care who you have to have oral with but keep this off the air"- or something close to that. He is DIRTY!!! Who does he think he is?

The president?  (I kid, I kid.)

On May 22, 2017 at 9:01 PM, Linny said:

Matt just delivered a masterclass in manipulation. He hit all the highlights: putting Amber on the spot in public, giving her little time to make a decision, texting Leah to overwhelm Amber with thoughts that she'll disappoint Leah if they don't get married, blaming Amber's brother for no reason, lashing out and threatening to never marry her, and finally feigning ignorance and claiming everything's fine. I feel sick after watching him in action. If Amber's still with him in real time, she need only watch this episode to motivate herself to leave him. Matt's behavior is NOT okay. It's textbook emotional exploitation, and if he will act this way on camera, I hate to think how he acts behind closed doors. 

And his attempt to coerce the producer into not airing the footage was disgusting. I'm glad they showed it, even though it made me uncomfortable, because now there's undeniable proof of what a scumbag this guy is. I really hope Amber's brother and other family members can help her leave Matt for good. Nobody deserves to be treated this way by a partner.

I rooted for Amber when she got out of prison and seemed to take ownership of (most of) her shit. She got her GED in prison and I thought she might actually get her life together. Then her dad died, she reconnected with her couch, and connected with Matt. I think he absolutely jumped on the chance to exploit her dad's death and daddy issues. I don't care for Amber anymore, but I'm 110% sure Matt is an emotionally abusive asshole...and no one deserves that. My friend recently divorced her emotionally abusive husband of 15 years....and this was after ten years of failed attempts at leaving him. The gas lighting makes it really hard to break away. Amber and Matt both suck, but Matt is a manipulative con-man and Amber doesn't have enough life experience and isn't sophisticated enough to really see it. 

On May 22, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Blissfool said:

Well, i actually just happened to read on The Ashley that Producer Heather was fired because she crossed the line between work and friendship. Apparently, she became close friends with Farrah and would spend the night at her house, which was a big no-no.

You know Deb is gonna be pissed when she finds out Heather was allowed to sleep over at Farrah's when she had to get a hotel room....I also assume Heather didn't have to use the port-a-potty.

Edited May 25, 2017 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[mamadrama]

I think Maci still has a hard on for Riine. I love her little speech about saving him and how SHE has to do something, etc. etc. Girlfriend, he has a fiancee and parents for that. But, you know, nobody but Saint Maci can possibly fix his not-drug problems...

[Calm81]

3 hours ago, mamadrama said:

I think Maci still has a hard on for Riine. I love her little speech about saving him and how SHE has to do something, etc. etc. Girlfriend, he has a fiancee and parents for that. But, you know, nobody but Saint Maci can possibly fix his not-drug problems...

Yeah, I agree. The girl has never gotten over the fact that she couldn't control him and that he played her on national television. Maci wasn't over the top with her nagging while dating Rhine as that started when her ego was inflated by fans saying, "what would Maci do?" Now she thinks she's a walking words of wisdom.

I don't know if it's producer driven but she is obsessed with the Rhine topic. She's placing way too much importance on her role in life as she's always the one that is doing more than everyone else and doing it better. She's constantly telling Taylor how "The house would turn upside down if I stop and sit down for a minute" implying he doesn't do anything (he probably doesn't but still lol).

I lost my point ...?

Edited May 25, 2017 by Calm81

[GreatKazu]

3 hours ago, Calm81 said:

Yeah, I agree. The girl has never gotten over the fact that she couldn't control him and that he played her on national television. Maci wasn't over the top with her nagging while dating Rhine as that started when her ego was inflated by fans saying, "what would Maci do?" Now she thinks she's a walking words of wisdom.

I don't know if it's producer driven but she is obsessed with the Rhine topic. She's placing way too much importance on her role in life as she's always the one that is doing more than everyone else and doing it better. She's constantly telling Taylor how "The house would turn upside down if I stop and sit down for a minute" implying he doesn't do anything (he probably doesn't but still lol).

I lost my point ...?

Maci's house looks like it has turned upside down. Every episode. What is the girl doing while her kids are at daycare and Bentley is in school all day? 

[Jennifersdc]

So on what planet does Matt reside that he thinks 12 million people watch this show? 

Has he mistaken this show as a reincarnation of Friends? Maybe he believes Amber's actually a zombie he's really on The Walking Dead? What a  narcissistic fool.

[StatisticalOutlier]

I don't think this has been mentioned here yet:  When Maci and her friend were eating (and chewing while talking--yuck), the friend said, "It looks like Ryan kind of does whatever he wants and MacKenzie's along for the ride and I hate that for her" and Maci replies, "That's pretty much how every woman in his life is, except for me."

You know, it wasn't that long ago that the sagacious Maci was similarly under Ryan's thrall.  I really don't think she's as much of an exception as she thinks she is. 

[CaliforniaLove]

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So on what planet does Matt reside that he thinks 12 million people watch this show? 

Has he mistaken this show as a reincarnation of Friends? Maybe he believes Amber's actually a zombie he's really on The Walking Dead? What a  narcissistic fool.

Maybe he thinks if the show had 2 million viewers one week, and 1 million viewers the following week, that means 3 million people have watched the show. He skews the versions of everything else in his life, why not actual fact-based mathematics too?!  

[StatisticalOutlier]

On 5/24/2017 at 3:02 PM, GreatKazu said:

Yes. They had dated for a month when Farrah started pushing him into proposing. 

He left her in a hotel because he didn't want to be with her after how she talked to his family and friends. That part wasn't shown on television, but we did get the scene where Farrah called Daniel's mom a "lone bird". 

Didn't that happen in Austin, even though neither one of them lived there?  If so, is that how she ended up there? 

[GreatKazu]

1 hour ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

Didn't that happen in Austin, even though neither one of them lived there?  If so, is that how she ended up there? 

Daniel's family lives in Austin. Here is the run-down of what happened. Daniel mentions the MTV editing. He describes a night that included Farrah berating a fast-food worker. http://www.eonline.com/news/338262/teen-mom-farrah-s-ex-daniel-alvarez-reacts-to-last-night-s-breakup-episode

It is often referenced now and then how Deb is always on the receiving end of Farrah's brutal attacks because it is her own doing due to the past. The other reason being that somehow Deb brings it out of Farrah. Somehow Deb should just stop with whatever it is she is doing that brings out the worst in Farrah. I can't get on board with that because it is not just Deb that gets treated that way. The mention of Farrah berating a fast food employee by her ex, degrading his mom and his two friends, and other incidents where she has been rude and mean to people other than Deb shows Farrah is a beast to people whom she feels are beneath her or somehow are deserving of a tongue-lashing because they didn't appease her, move fast enough or they dared to breathe wrong. 

3 hours ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

I don't think this has been mentioned here yet:  When Maci and her friend were eating (and chewing while talking--yuck), the friend said, "It looks like Ryan kind of does whatever he wants and MacKenzie's along for the ride and I hate that for her" and Maci replies, "That's pretty much how every woman in his life is, except for me."

You know, it wasn't that long ago that the sagacious Maci was similarly under Ryan's thrall.  I really don't think she's as much of an exception as she thinks she is. 

Agree.

Maci thinks highly of herself and loves to rewrite history. She is also a liar. 

[LilaFowler]

Maci has only ever wanted Ryan to be an involved and responsible parent. He doesn't even give Bentley that much. She's a kinder person than I am because there is no way I would allow my child around that drug addict. He is messed up in the head from his car accident and he still doesn't wear a seat belt. He's such a loser -- he'll never grow up.

[AmyFarrahFowler]

21 minutes ago, LilaFowler said:

Maci has only ever wanted Ryan to be an involved and responsible parent. He doesn't even give Bentley that much. She's a kinder person than I am because there is no way I would allow my child around that drug addict. He is messed up in the head from his car accident and he still doesn't wear a seat belt. He's such a loser -- he'll never grow up.

And neither will she.

[GreatKazu]

8 minutes ago, AmyFarrahFowler said:

And neither will she.

Touché.

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She's a kinder person than I am because there is no way I would allow my child around that drug addict. He is messed up in the head from his car accident and he still doesn't wear a seat belt. He's such a loser -- he'll never grow up.

She's a big time loser herself. She's the kind of person who drinks while pregnant. 

[WhosThatGirl]

Yeah I don't consider Maci all that grown up and she's a decent mom to Bentley, but I say decent. I don't think she's the greatest mom ever- which in the first early seasons of TM we were to believe he was but then she moved herself and Bentley to go live with her new boyfriend who I think she had only been dating a month or two and who she broke up with on and off a lot, her parents didn't even think it was a good idea and that's when I realized her mom was awesome because her facial reactions ruled.

And I want to feel for Amber. I'm sure her dad dying played a big part in why she fell into Matts trap, but at the same time when she announced her engagement to her mom and brother, they didn't have good reactions.

I feel like that's a problem with these women, things happen and they announce and they don't listen or hear the reactions of people who love them and who want what's best for them. And this is another thing that makes me think these people are so stunted, when you get older and grow up I think you do become more aware of people's opinions and the things they say to you and consider what they are saying but with these people, if the opinion doesn't match what outcome they want, they don't hear it and just start shouting about people being negative. That isn't the case.

Also when Amber got off the phone with her brother who stated he thought it was messed up to elope but Amber could do it if she wanted to, Matt said "it's really messed up what YOUR BROTHER just did to you" like.. that sounded incredibly creepy to me.

[ginger90]

When Amber got off the phone and Matt was right there, as always, and asked, "What did he say? I heard what he said. What did he say?" I wanted to scream run Amber, now!

[StatisticalOutlier]

9 hours ago, WhosThatGirl said:

And this is another thing that makes me think these people are so stunted, when you get older and grow up I think you do become more aware of people's opinions and the things they say to you and consider what they are saying but with these people, if the opinion doesn't match what outcome they want, they don't hear it and just start shouting about people being negative. That isn't the case.

I think what you're referring to is their lack of maturity, yet I'm sure they'd claim (and I've probably heard them claim, actually) that having a baby as a teenager has made them more mature than other people their age.  No, it just gave them more responsibility.  Not the same thing.  And in fact I'd argue even about having more responsibility when it comes to some of them.

[ilovetrashtv]

Ryan's face was positively scary in this episode. First time I've ever been totally freaked out by him.

[GreatKazu]

2 minutes ago, ilovetrashtv said:

Ryan's face was positively scary in this episode. First time I've ever been totally freaked out by him.

That's been his look for quite some time. Last season we mocked his eyes. I posted some of the lyrics to Hall and Oates' song "Private Eyes" and renamed it "Ryan's Eyes".

[woodscommaelle]

"How exciting." Umm, Kim. You could not look more bored by your daughter-in-law's (not that I blame her) stories. I really fucking hate that lady. 

Double hypnotherapy? What in the hell?

Matt creeps me out WAY MORE than Jenelle's Dave/David. What his DSMV diagnosis? Could it be simple enough as 'just a fucking asshole?'

Farrah's eye lashes look like geisha fans. 

Amber is dressed like Mrs. Roper.

You don't want to be as big as JC Penny's, Tyler? That makes sense ?.

Edited May 27, 2017 by woodscommaelle

[woodscommaelle]

On 5/22/2017 at 10:39 PM, Blissfool said:

Apparently, she became close friends with Farrah and would spend the night at her house, which was a big no-no.

Uh weird.  Why would you hang out with Farrah if you didn't HAVE to? 

[qtpi17]

This show is ridiculous. Not even about being a mom. It's young women wanting to get married and start online businesses. They all have the same storyline!

Edited May 27, 2017 by qtpi17

[DoctorWhovian]

My Favorite part of the Farrah/Daniel stuff is that after she visits, and gets ditched in, Austin with him, she ends up moving there. Now he's talking a San Diego move, where Simon lives, but they're not together, of course. 

[CofCinci]

10 hours ago, woodscommaelle said:

Matt creeps me out WAY MORE than Jenelle's Dave/David. What his DSMV diagnosis? Could it be simple enough as 'just a fucking asshole?'

Narcissistic Personality Disorder vs. Antisocial Personality Disorder 

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