Season 19 Live Feed Discussion

[ByaNose]

I wonder if we missed a lot of drama without the feeds last night? Did Mark and Josh have words? Were they all in one room while Mark was alone? Over 24 hours is a lot of time without live feeds. Am I getting a discount on CBS All Access for this down time? Doubt it.

[Lady Calypso]

22 minutes ago, ByaNose said:

I wonder if we missed a lot of drama without the feeds last night? Did Mark and Josh have words? Were they all in one room while Mark was alone? Over 24 hours is a lot of time without live feeds. Am I getting a discount on CBS All Access for this down time? Doubt it.

I want to know if Cody's speech affected Paul or Raven in any way; she seemed to process what he was saying in a quick shot of her when he mentioned her by name. I want to know if Paul just dismissed Cody's speech because Jason could have put him up for DE, as well as him not trusting Cody, or if it got him paranoid to the max. 

41 minutes ago, wings707 said:

He joins in on the hate fests, though.  

Does he? Ok, to be fair, I rarely pay attention to Matt cam because then I have to pay attention to Raven cam. All I really know is that he laughs a lot and makes out with Raven. I haven't really heard him say anything hurtful, although he also does nothing to stop it. I just haven't heard him bashing people to the extent that every other houseguest does. The only person I've heard him bash consistently is Raven...to her face.

53 minutes ago, MrHufflepuff said:

Nice people don't use their spooge towels on the dishes.

I was trying to block that out of my head. I don't think he was doing it intentionally to hurt people, but I don't know why the hell he would do it anyway. Gross. Like...just wash the damn towel after you use it like that. My god, man. Gross and disgusting, but I don't think his intentions are to be mean. 

Edited August 18, 2017 by Lady Calypso

[Brian Cronin]

Matt's definitely slightly better than the others. He shows SOME sense that what they're doing is BS. He's more a case of a perfect example of privilege. He can occasionally knock the behavior, but he doesn't really try to fix it because it doesn't hurt him. He thinks Raven is nuts, but she's regularly fucking him and so long as he's getting some, he'll look the other way. He's far less gross than the others, but he's still pretty gross.

[gunderda]

1 hour ago, Lady Calypso said:

Does he? Ok, to be fair, I rarely pay attention to Matt cam because then I have to pay attention to Raven cam. All I really know is that he laughs a lot and makes out with Raven. I haven't really heard him say anything hurtful, although he also does nothing to stop it. I just haven't heard him bashing people to the extent that every other houseguest does. The only person I've heard him bash consistently is Raven...to her face.

The one prime example I can think of that we saw was the first time Paul was telling everyone they needed to ambush cody and jessica to get cody to quit.  Matt was VERY vocal about it being a dumb idea, he was worried someone would get hurt (ie, cody would punch someone) and that it was just going a little too far.  But he got so much back lash that he basically backed down and said "ok... if this is what we have to do... then we'll do it... but this is the only time" and that's when Christmas got all ragey on him because he then told her he didn't think it was a good idea.  I don't think he's been around much for the other discussions. 

[NeverLate]

2 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

Matt's actually the next nicest guy in the house next to Mark. He's just so bland and he's attached to Raven, so he's guilty by association. Seriously; if the guy could actually do something, I'd probably be less hostile toward him because he hasn't said one bad thing about another houseguest. It's just a shame that I don't always remember that because he's always with Raven. 

I forget he's there. No wonder he has names like doorMatt, or drywall Matt. Zzzzzzzz 

[gunderda]

I would actually like to see Matt play without Raven in the house.  

[Vixenstud]

2 hours ago, MrHufflepuff said:

Nice people don't use their spooge towels on the dishes.

Marry me...NOW!

[YouKnowNothing]

16 minutes ago, gunderda said:

I would actually like to see Matt play without Raven in the house.  

I would like to see them ALL play without Paul in the house. Knowing what I know now, I cannot fault Cody for trying to get Paul out ASAP. That week ruined this whole season. Raven might not be so obnoxious because she wouldn't be one of Paul's dogs, Josh might not be so hostile because he wouldn't have Paul egging him on, Alex might have worked with Cody, Jason might have been more bold. And it's these maybe might haves could have should have would haves that make me mourn what I think could have been a FUN season if Paul was gone. And it makes me sad that we'll never know. 

[willgracefan]

From Elena's exit interview for the live feeders. "I'm going to be spending my birthday on Saturday alon-well with Cody, so alone. Which will be sad"

I cracked up hearing that!

I am kinda glad that it is Elena in the Jury House with Cody, can you imagine Cody alone with Josh?

[ByaNose]

5 minutes ago, willgracefan said:

From Elena's exit interview for the live feeders. "I'm going to be spending my birthday on Saturday alon-well with Cody, so alone. Which will be sad"

I cracked up hearing that!

I am kinda glad that it is Elena in the Jury House with Cody, can you imagine Cody alone with Josh?

I think Elena and Cody are a good start for the jury house. They get along and will be good for.................a day or two. LOL!!! Whomever comes next (unless it's Mark) will not be too pleasant.

[gunderda]

24 minutes ago, willgracefan said:

From Elena's exit interview for the live feeders. "I'm going to be spending my birthday on Saturday alon-well with Cody, so alone. Which will be sad"

I cracked up hearing that!

I am kinda glad that it is Elena in the Jury House with Cody, can you imagine Cody alone with Josh?

Josh would probably drive everyone nuts because Cody would probably ignore him the entire time and Josh would have no one to talk to! except for their handlers. 

Unfortunately I think Josh is going to go pretty far..... which really annoys the crap out of me.

[Wings]

17 minutes ago, gunderda said:

Unfortunately I think Josh is going to go pretty far..... which really annoys the crap out of me.

Yeah, I see that too.  The perfect goat.  F3 Paul, Josh, Raven.  lol

[Wings]

Mark winning HOH and veto is the only hope for something interesting.  

Thanks for the link @missyb.  Funny that they blamed Kevin for spreading the news of Paisley when he only told Paul and Paul spread it to everyone.  

I wish the audience warm up guy would allow them to boo if anyone but Mark wins HOH.  Come on, just once?  Consider it a gift. 

Edited August 18, 2017 by wings707

[peachmangosteen]

11 hours ago, SiobhanJW said:

I don't know if Jason was actually telling Mark the truth which Elena said he would BD Paul. But if he was, he clearly panicked. Because he looked VERY panicked. 

He was actually crying lol. What a fucking loser seriously. I don't think he was ever going to actually target Paul because he's way too much of a chickenshit, but I think deep down he does know he should be targeting Paul.

1 minute ago, wings707 said:

I wish the audience warm up guy would allow them to boo if anyone but Mark wins HOH.  Come on, just once?  Consider it a gift. 

The audience won't be there anymore when they play the HOH comp.

[Wings]

3 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

The audience won't be there anymore when they play the HOH comp.

forgot!  

[Cutty]

Josh was goaded by Paul and Alex all week to get under Mark's skin after the eviction. As if it affected Mark at all. I'm guessing Josh has already expressed remorse, shed some tears and said he's not going to attack people anymore while Paul says "Bro, you did nothing wrong! Mark is a sack of shit!" It happens every week. Josh acts like a total dickhead, wakes up the next day feeling dumb and says he's not going to do it anymore. Then does it. Rinse repeat. 

Watching Elena's meltdown during her first speech gave me anxiety. That would be my worst fear going on this show. Of course Elena is a total idiot so I'm glad she embarrassed herself. I can just picture her practicing it in the mirror. YES! I'm so funny! I'm gonna slay them!

[lasandi]

I have zero faith that Mark, if he wins HOH, will do anything other than what Paul wants.  How can he not?  He's alone and will be happy he is being treated decently.  Unless a few of the other sheep are willing to turn on Paul.  I just don't see it.  

[watch2much]

these people are so crazy.  We have Josh screaming at Elena several times then as she's leaving yelling, "love you, Elena".  And Alex is such a disappointment.  The only consolation is seeing her face when Paul decides it's time for her to go.  And what's with all the girls wearing nothing but quasi-bras and short shorts all the time?    The reason I still like Cody is that he was able to maintain his demeanor even when they were throwing the worst possible insults at him.  It drove them crazy that he wouldn't engage.   

[SiobhanJW]

As per that spoiler person on Reddit who has been right this whole season. Christmas won the HoH. So probably good bye Mark. 

[Never Again]

2 hours ago, YouKnowNothing said:

I would like to see them ALL play without Paul in the house. Knowing what I know now, I cannot fault Cody for trying to get Paul out ASAP. That week ruined this whole season. Raven might not be so obnoxious because she wouldn't be one of Paul's dogs, Josh might not be so hostile because he wouldn't have Paul egging him on, Alex might have worked with Cody, Jason might have been more bold. And it's these maybe might haves could have should have would haves that make me mourn what I think could have been a FUN season if Paul was gone. And it makes me sad that we'll never know. 

Imagine if one little swap: if Paul had to nominate five people the first week, and Cody had three weeks immunity.  

[Cutty]

3 minutes ago, SiobhanJW said:

As per that spoiler person on Reddit who has been right this whole season. Christmas won the HoH. So probably good bye Mark. 

Just kill me now.

[Wings]

So Mark on the block with probably Matt.  lol

If Mark wins veto, Kevin will go up. Here is to hoping Mark survives to live another HOH comp.  

[Brian Cronin]

Come on, PoV win. A PoV win might be even better than normal this week, as it will show which side of the house Christmas is on.

Also, to a certain extent, if Mark/Cody/Elena are going to win a single HoH between them, they were going to be fucked no matter what. They're just shitty players period. 

[Cutty]

3 minutes ago, wings707 said:

If Mark wins veto, Kevin will go up. Here is to hoping Mark survives to live another HOH comp.  

I know that's who Paul will be pushing for as a backup option but will Christmas really put up her snuggle buddy? 

Probably irrelevant anyway. Mark won't win veto because nothing good ever happens on this show.

[Brian Cronin]

Something good DID happen and then they fucked it up anyways by putting up Ramses and Josh, so we were screwed all along that the comparatively "good" side were just awful BB players.

[Michichick]

23 minutes ago, SiobhanJW said:

As per that spoiler person on Reddit who has been right this whole season. Christmas won the HoH. So probably good bye Mark. 

Fuuuuuuuuuck

[Sandycat]

If all this is true and Christmas did win HOH, I hate to say this, but I hope maybe Matt would win the next one, but he's an idiot and would just listen to Paul anyway and Kevin would be gone. I have no idea why these hyena-sheep are so willing to give Paul the win. Are those friendship bracelets filled with magical power so he can control them? 

Edited August 18, 2017 by Sandycat

[Brian Cronin]

Now that I think about it, it really doesn't matter. I don't see how Mark can possibly outlast everyone. Let's say he wins PoV AND wins HoH next week. He STILL won't be able to put a dent in Paul's control. So he'll just go the next week. In effect, there's no way that Mark could ever build a coalition that would protect him. Just can't happen. These people are too devoted to Paul. 

[Sandycat]

I Paul and I hate how this stupid show was rigged right from the start for him to win.

[Ceeg]

Well the good thing about Mark probably leaving is that the sheep will start eating themselves sooner rather than later. And maybe Paul will accidentally win HOH and have to show some of his cards. 

The plus side of Paul winning this godforsaken game is that none of these other assholes will. Only one asshole can win it all!

[Brian Cronin]

Just now, Ceeg said:

Well the good thing about Mark probably leaving is that the sheep will start eating themselves sooner rather than later. And maybe Paul will accidentally win HOH and have to show some of his cards. 

The plus side of Paul winning this godforsaken game is that none of these other assholes will. Only one asshole can win it all!

I'll still root for him somehow losing. It won't happen, but I'll still root for it!

[LoveLeigh]

5 minutes ago, Ceeg said:

Well the good thing about Mark probably leaving is that the sheep will start eating themselves sooner rather than later. And maybe Paul will accidentally win HOH and have to show some of his cards. 

The plus side of Paul winning this godforsaken game is that none of these other assholes will. Only one asshole can win it all!

And that is what they seem to not realize. I sort of now want Paul to win so they can get out of the house and be bombarded on social media with how stupid their game play was to escort Paul to a f2 and to not be in it to win it for themselves. And I prefer a Paul win to a Raven win and I have said I think Raven will be sitting next to Paul on finale night. Pau; will have to choose between Christmas and Raven and Raven will be his choice. 

And if Cody wins fan favorite: perfect!

Edited August 18, 2017 by DakotaLavender

[Cutty]

I think Jason could beat Paul in F2 but there's no way he gets there unless he beasts comps to get there (which given the mental aspect of the last few comps seems highly unlikely). 

[mooses]

Unfortunately, out of The Team, it does make the most sense for Christmas to go after Mark. He hates her. He's hated her since the beginning of the game and hasn't changed his mind. So I won't even be able to say that she's being stupid or just following Paul's demands when she targets Mark. 

I'm still hoping for a, "We gotta work together to get those pairs left," but I really can't see either of those two putting their feelings aside. And, although I like Mark, he's known by The House for flipping depending on power - so you can't really trust what he says. 

If Mark wins POV (I hope!), then I can say Christmas is a terrible Paul disciple if (when) she targets Kevin. 

[Brian Cronin]

I think Paul wants to be in F3 with Raven and Christmas, since he can beat both in the final HoH (especially since Christmas can't do physical stuff) and he figures that either of them will pick him and he will easily beat either one of them. I imagine he wants to be sitting next to Raven, though, at the end. 

[LoveLeigh]

1 minute ago, Brian Cronin said:

I think Paul wants to be in F3 with Raven and Christmas, since he can beat both in the final HoH (especially since Christmas can't do physical stuff) and he figures that either of them will pick him and he will easily beat either one of them. I imagine he wants to be sitting next to Raven, though, at the end. 

This is spot on and what I have been saying now for weeks. Perfect and well said. 

[Wings]

7 minutes ago, Brian Cronin said:

Now that I think about it, it really doesn't matter. I don't see how Mark can possibly outlast everyone. Let's say he wins PoV AND wins HoH next week. He STILL won't be able to put a dent in Paul's control. So he'll just go the next week. In effect, there's no way that Mark could ever build a coalition that would protect him. Just can't happen. These people are too devoted to Paul. 

Mark cannot outlast the others, true.  I still want him to get Alex/Christmas and Paul on the block and win the veto so they stay there.  I have to have a dream. 

6 minutes ago, Ceeg said:

Well the good thing about Mark probably leaving is that the sheep will start eating themselves sooner rather than later. And maybe Paul will accidentally win HOH and have to show some of his cards. 

The plus side of Paul winning this godforsaken game is that none of these other assholes will. Only one asshole can win it all!

That is going to be boring because we know the order.  Kevin, Matt, Raven.  After they go, I suppose there might be some interest. 

[Brian Cronin]

No way Paul plans to let Alex get to F5. She's too much of a HoH/Diamond POV risk. 

I think the boot order goes Mark, Kevin, Matt, Alex, Jason, Josh, Christmas with Raven being the F2 with him. 

[missyb]

I think Mark is in a unique position to try and make a pitch to Xmas to keep him off the block. He is truly alone in the game. He is not aligned with anyone. Jason rebuked him. Matt told Paul what he said about going after him. He has no one after Cody and Elena left.

He can offer himself as a shield to Xmas. Keep me off the block this week and I will never ever be a vote against you. If I win an HOH never ever put you on the block or renom while there are still options. Xmas, soon you will have to get rid of other epode. I can do that for you.  That's my offer. I am not saying I am loyal to anyone else but I will be to you.

In another story, lets not forget there another temptation may be unleashed on the house in another twist. Diamond POV ? Pandoras Box ?? Mark ain't done yet !

[Cutty]

4 minutes ago, Brian Cronin said:

I think Paul wants to be in F3 with Raven and Christmas, since he can beat both in the final HoH (especially since Christmas can't do physical stuff) and he figures that either of them will pick him and he will easily beat either one of them. I imagine he wants to be sitting next to Raven, though, at the end. 

Josh definitely in the mix too. 

I normally hate bitter juries but I think it would be hilarious if Paul gets to the end again and loses to a goat because the jury is so pissed at him.

[Brian Cronin]

Just now, Cutty said:

Josh definitely in the mix too. 

I normally hate bitter juries but I think it would be hilarious if Paul gets to the end again and loses to a goat because the jury is so pissed at him.

I think he wants Josh to the Final 4, but at Final 3, he has to split Josh and Christmas up, and since Christmas is injured, she's a better bet to keep around. But sure, I wouldn't be shocked if Paul went for Josh over Christmas and had it be Josh/Raven/him. Once again, either of the other two would take him to the finals. 

[gunderda]

1 hour ago, peachmangosteen said:

He was actually crying lol. What a fucking loser seriously. I don't think he was ever going to actually target Paul because he's way too much of a chickenshit, but I think deep down he does know he should be targeting Paul.

The audience won't be there anymore when they play the HOH comp.

Who cried?? I haven't watched the episode yet.

46 minutes ago, SiobhanJW said:

As per that spoiler person on Reddit who has been right this whole season. Christmas won the HoH. So probably good bye Mark. 

ughhhhhhhhhhh

15 minutes ago, Ceeg said:

Well the good thing about Mark probably leaving is that the sheep will start eating themselves sooner rather than later.

As much as I hate to see Mark eventually leave, I almost want the inevitable to happen because of this reason alone.

[Wings]

There is a twist and we will see what that is tonight.  I am not even trying to figure it out.  

[Vixenstud]

Just now, wings707 said:

There is a twist and we will see what that is tonight.  I am not even trying to figure it out.  

Let it be a Diamond POV that Mark wins or some type of 'America chooses the nominations instead of Xmas'

Gotdammit, a bitch can dream, cain't she?!

[Brian Cronin]

By the way, I will admit that I am at least holding out the SLIGHTEST bit of hope that Alex is not a complete moron and that she knows that Paul is getting a good edit so she is only pretending to be with him. I don't think that that is the case, but I can't say that it is 100% impossible, so I am at least slightly hoping that maybe she pulls off a Paul coup sometime this season. She's the only one who could do it. She won't, but she could, so I am not completely writing her off just yet.

[CertainJewel]

On 8/17/2017 at 8:24 AM, neenyah said:

I've already discussed Cody's belligerent use of of transphobic speech. He'd have been out in Charlottesville, I have no doubts.

What happened in Charlottesville was horrible. He had a transphobic speech and so now he would join a group that advocates genocide?! I don't care for Cody but really?! That's quite a leap based on an opinion he has on transgender (probably just doesn't understand this fully). I listened to some of his talk and I didn't hear that he wanted all transgender people to be eliminated? Did I miss something? If so please cite this.

[Lady Calypso]

10 minutes ago, gunderda said:

Who cried?? I haven't watched the episode yet.

Jason. He looked like he was going to throw up when he realized that he had to target Mark/Elena. He's stated that he'd rather both of them stay over Matt/Raven (I think that was Jason). 

1 hour ago, wings707 said:

Thanks for the link @missyb.  Funny that they blamed Kevin for spreading the news of Paisley when he only told Paul and Paul spread it to everyone.  

Well....technically Kevin also told Jason, though Jason already knew through Paul. So it's not like Kevin just told Paul and stayed silent...and then he gladly theorized what kind of father Cody was with the hyena-sheep once everyone knew. 

57 minutes ago, SiobhanJW said:

As per that spoiler person on Reddit who has been right this whole season. Christmas won the HoH. So probably good bye Mark. 

Kill me now. Two weeks ago, I would have been thrilled for a Christmas HOH.

Now? She's not going to do jackshit. She'll nominate Mark/Matt because Mark's been her enemy from week one, and Matt hasn't done shit. Since Paul has turned Christmas against Kevin, he'll be used as a backdoor option just in case Mark wins veto. 

Like, I get why Christmas would want to take Mark out and it makes sense....but I hate it because he's our last hope left, the last shred of dignity in that house, and then I'll have to root for Paul's backstabs in each of his alliance members and hope that someone gets him out sooner rather than never. 

Plus, Christmas in power has been fairly insufferable. And she hasn't been HOH yet!

I don't even know if I want Mark to win veto; he'll be much happier with Elena and Cody in jury, and he'd have to legit win every other HOH and veto to get to the finale. But Mark winning one final veto this week will get Paul to show his true colours toward Kevin, as he's the next target on the chopping block. I think Paul might want to keep Matt around one more week as a pawn situation, so he'll probably work to get Kevin out...so Mark winning veto one last time will ensure something happening.

[MrHufflepuff]

The twist is "Super Duper Safety."  The holder (Paul) of this power (Paul) will be granted safety for the next four weeks (Paul).  He (Paul) will also be crowned most awesome Big Brother player ever (Paul) and will be the star (Paul) of the new hit CBS show "Big Brother in Paradise."

[Skycatcher]

1 hour ago, wings707 said:

Yeah, I see that too.  The perfect goat.  F3 Paul, Josh, Raven.  lol

Of those 3  I would have to vote for Josh to win. Isn't that pathetic. 

[Cutty]

I know we all hate Paul and the herd mentality but Mark is after Christmas (and her closest ally Josh). Getting him out is probably what's best for her game at the moment. Taking a shot at Paul right now would appease us but ultimately tank her game.