S09.E05: The Politics of Friendship

[BBHN]

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I couldn't find a tweet by anyone with that hashtag. I don't follow Carol on Twitter, I just know her from the show. 

I haven't seen it either.

[lunastartron]

Here ya go.

There are actually others in which Carole indicts Melania's "pussy shots"; wonders why anyone would be interested in what "this woman has to say" because of whom she's married to (yet at the same time argues that Bill Clinton is totally separate from his wife because spouses shouldn't be judged by each other). This doesn't even touch upon the contradictory commentary about sexual assault as related to the election that she put forth. 

Feminism for the win! 

Compassion. 

[LIMOM]

She understand that Melanie was a model and as such, taking clothes off for money is part of the job?

As far as Andy Cohen, come on now. His buddy Frederick is a former porn star, double standard much?

[BBHN]

As long as the former porn star isn't bullying anyone, I guess...

[ryebread]

6 hours ago, film noire said:

Her last job as a journalist was on the front lines in Afghanistan, embedded with the 101st airborne -- not twenty years ago, but in 2004 -- she won a Peabody and three Emmys (one Emmy was for a story about a real fluff topic: land mines in Cambodia).  She may be lying but at least publicly, she cites both the right leaning Wall Street Journal and the left leaning The Atlantic as reading material. She is friends and a former colleague of the people who report the news (and hear the news that can't be reported at all). I can't stand the woman but she absolutely has bragging rights when it comes to claiming she has legit credentials in this arena. 

I respectfully disagree. She may have bragging rights to claiming what she's accomplished and who she knows. But legit credentials in the Presidential election arena? All she's got is an opinion just like anyone else who has informed themselves to the best of their ability. 

[Chit Chat]

Wow!  Those tweets by Carole are terrible, IMO.   I take back my previous compliment to her of seemingly handling the loss well.  These are high school, mean girl type of tweets. 

From the tweet: "Marrying a misogynist says everything about her."  Seriously?  Having watched Hillary stand by Bill after he humiliated her on many occasions is one reason I don't respect the woman.  Forgiving one indiscretion, I can understand, but multiples times?  Nope.  As a woman, I wanted her to publicly humiliate him by leaving his sorry ass.  And Carole was okay at the thought of having him back in the White House?  Hide the cigars and the interns.   ;)

[lunastartron]

34 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

Wow!  Those tweets by Carole are terrible, IMO.   I take back my previous compliment to her of seemingly handling the loss well.  These are high school, mean girl type of tweets. 

From the tweet: "Marrying a misogynist says everything about her."  Seriously?  Having watched Hillary stand by Bill after he humiliated her on many occasions is one reason I don't respect the woman.  Forgiving one indiscretion, I can understand, but multiples times?  Nope.  As a woman, I wanted her to publicly humiliate him by leaving his sorry ass.  And Carole was okay at the thought of having him back in the White House?  Hide the cigars and the interns.   ;)

Actually, Carole was much worse on that topic than the comment about Melania being married to a misogynist.

In the days before the election (so roughly simultaneous this episode), she repeatedly referred on Twitter to the women who accused Bill Clinton of sexual assault as his "mistresses"; suggested Juanita Broaddrick was a liar while simultaneously lamenting that any dubiousness which greeted DT accusers was why rape victims stayed silent; etc. 

Edited May 7, 2017 by lunastartron

[lunastartron]

1 hour ago, LIMOM said:

She understand that Melanie was a model and as such, taking clothes off for money is part of the job?

As far as Andy Cohen, come on now. His buddy Frederick is a former porn star, double standard much?

Also completely different from Bethenny taking off her clothes for money as an actress. 

And Carole posting photographs of her own ass on social media to emphasize how sexually enticing it remains.

For someone so concerned about misogyny and girl power, she seems to have a very unstable grasp on both. 

[ladle]

On 5/4/2017 at 9:13 AM, Juliegirlj said:

Ramona's date reminded me of Steve Martin doing his  " Wild and Crazy Guys".... He had a deer in the headlights reaction when he realized he was on camera. 

He reminded me of a poor man's Bill Pullman.

[Martinigirl]

8 minutes ago, ladle said:

He reminded me of a poor man's Bill Pullman.

Here's hoping he met someone else at Ramona's B-Day party. I'm certain were plenty of single women in the group. It was a surprising turnout. I really would have thought Carole would have the bigger turnout at her election party. Looked to be about ten people....and three were Bethenny's friends. I felt for the poor restaurant owner.  

[jinjer]

I think the tweets about Melanie posing naked are in response to the tweets about about Michele Obama being called an Ape etc and the outcry about when she wore a sleeveless dress as being inappropriate. Double standard for the two - especially coming from Christian conservatives. As a feminist, Carole could have called out the double standard of those voters without criticizing Melania for her modeling choices. 

Edited May 7, 2017 by jinjer

[motorcitymom65]

4 minutes ago, jinjer said:

I think the tweets about Melanie posing naked are in response to the tweets about about Michele Obama being called an Ape etc and the outcry about when she wore a sleeveless dress as being inappropriate. Double standard for the two - especially coming from Christian conservatives. As a feminist, Carole could have called out the double standard of those voters without criticizing Melania for her modeling choices. 

Agreed, I didn't like the tweet at the time at all, and said so on her forum. She could have easily made her point (which is valid to the extreme) without going there about M. Trump getting naked for money. Just no need to do it. The anger was real, however, with the horrendous thing that had been said and posted about M. Obama, which was what she was responding to. It was just so damned ugly, but I agree Carole could have handled it differently. I tend to lose my perspective when talking about racism, however, as it just makes me so damned mad. More mad than anything else. 

[CaliCat]

6 hours ago, lunastartron said:

Here ya go.

Yeah, those tweets were disrespectful to Melanie Trump, even in the context of defending mean and racist things said about Michelle Obama and the irony of Melania's anti bullying platform. But I think people can be disrespectful at some times and compassionate at others. YMMV

[LIMOM]

14 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Agreed, I didn't like the tweet at the time at all, and said so on her forum. She could have easily made her point (which is valid to the extreme) without going there about M. Trump getting naked for money. Just no need to do it. The anger was real, however, with the horrendous thing that had been said and posted about M. Obama, which was what she was responding to. It was just so damned ugly, but I agree Carole could have handled it differently. I tend to lose my perspective when talking about racism, however, as it just makes me so damned mad. More mad than anything else. 

It is sad that people got away calling a fellow human being, a freaking Ape.

15 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Agreed, I didn't like the tweet at the time at all, and said so on her forum. She could have easily made her point (which is valid to the extreme) without going there about M. Trump getting naked for money. Just no need to do it. The anger was real, however, with the horrendous thing that had been said and posted about M. Obama, which was what she was responding to. It was just so damned ugly, but I agree Carole could have handled it differently. I tend to lose my perspective when talking about racism, however, as it just makes me so damned mad. More mad than anything else. 

SHe should complain about MT staying in NYC! Such a waste of taxpayers' money.

[Otherkate]

1 hour ago, LIMOM said:

It is sad that people got away calling a fellow human being, a freaking Ape.

SHe should complain about MT staying in NYC! Such a waste of taxpayers' money.

Yes, the ape thing was repulsive. People reacted out of anger, but a lot of my fellow libs showed their ass by doing so. I don't give a shit if Melania posed naked and shaming her for doing so is disgusting to me.  

RE: MT staying in NYC - not just the money, but a total disruption, including for shops in the vicinity. People are pissed. But...I kind of don't blame her. She's probably thrilled. 

[BBHN]

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I don't give a shit if Melania posed naked and shaming her for doing so is disgusting to me.  

Yeah, lord knows there are plenty of other things we can criticize/make fun of about her. Posing naked shouldn't be one of them.

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Here's hoping he met someone else at Ramona's B-Day party

Would Ramona have even noticed if he had? lol

[TexasGal]

23 hours ago, ryebread said:

I completely understood that Carole didn't know what all the gadgets were in the rental car.  Sometimes it takes a minute. 

But when a 50 year old woman says, as she's taking long glances at the controls while driving on the freeway says, "What is this?" Long glance. "What if I press that buh-in?" Long glance. 

Mom: "Don't press it." 

Carole:  "Pressed it." heeheeheehee

She tries way too hard to be cute as a buh-in.  They must have cut out the part where she had her non-driving foot perched on the dashboard while driving, playing with all the buh-ins and jamming to Aerosmith. 

I'm pretty sure she had her left foot tucked under her while driving at one point.

[TexasGal]

On 5/5/2017 at 2:17 PM, KungFuBunny said:

Ramona 5/3/17

Ok y'all - yes her face looks amazing but what is under her armpit and why?!  I keep telling myself it's the top of a chair but it looks like her curled fist.  Pushing back her perceived arm fat?  I either need more coffee or have already had too much.

[DelicateDee]

41 minutes ago, TexasGal said:

I'm pretty sure she had her left foot tucked under her while driving at one point.

It looked like she had her left leg/foot kind of resting on the drivers side door, like she was a 20 something carefree silly thing.

[Trooper York]

Carole is nothing but dismissive and condescending to anyone who is not in lockstep with her ultra liberal social justice warrior views. Everything that you see in contrast to her nasty attitude is damage control mandated by the fact that flyover America in places like Georgia and Staten Island and Pennsylvania is what pays the bills for Satan Andy and his fellow minions from Hell. I am quite certain if you heard her uncensored opinions you would see the contempt she has for half of the country. They are doing a good good of ameliorating her toxicity. 

Well done Satan.

[robroy]

Its rather ironic that everyone loved Carole for condescending to less favored housewives but are pissed that she acts like that to people in general. It reminds me of how people are now losing their love for Bethenney- they never had a problem with name calling and aggression as long as it was against someone they personally also disliked. But when she turns fire on someone they do its supposedly shocking?

And equally perplexing about Carole- she wants to shame Melania for marrying a rich blowhard and making money from modeling/body shots but she herself had entre onto this show and was able to sell her book because she had married into a family associated with the Kennedys- and JFK Jr specifically. I can only imagine her meltdown if Melania started posting butt pics and tagging them 'ass by God.' Or putting her friends up to mentioning that Melania had supposedly dated Clooney as a badge of merit. 

Its not like Carole is a middle aged person of dubious success who partner with a younger, minimally successful model and throws haymakers on social media- or is she:

[tribeca]

I know so many people I work with who could not afford insurance and now have it. Well for now anyway. One coworker who has some kind of mental illness.  She is a totally different person when she was able to afford her medicine.  She reminds me of an older Kelly. 

     Ramona  is very self centered but she is also entertaining LOL.  She just needs so much attention.  Her party looked awesome.  Was home watching wishing I could try those shrimp! 

Edited May 7, 2017 by tribeca

[film noire]

9 hours ago, ryebread said:

I respectfully disagree. She may have bragging rights to claiming what she's accomplished and who she knows. But legit credentials in the Presidential election arena? All she's got is an opinion just like anyone else who has informed themselves to the best of their ability. 

I adore you ryebread, but.... : )

Anybody with expertise on a topic has more to bring to the table than those without expertise. Radziwill spent close to fifteen years covering hot button topics in American politics ( gun control, abortion, foreign policy - she was in Israel during the SCUD attacks in Gulf 1, and embedded with the 101st airborne in Afghanistan) and has won several major awards (three Emmys and a Peabody) and she also covered elections -- interviewing senators and congressmen and political hacks while at ABC news -- and after she left hard news, her “lunch date” interview column for Glamour included Anderson Cooper, Bobby Kennedy, Rudi Giuliani.  Much fluffier than her hard news work, yes, but not just celebs either. In her private life, she married into one of the greatest political dynasties ever. She is also someone who once voted Republican (Reagan and Bush 1) and now votes Dem, so she is familiar with both sides of the political aisle as a voter, not just as a journalist.

So -  to me - to say all of that highly specialized and heralded history, specifically covering politics and news, does not give the woman bragging rights into sifting through election coverage is like saying a prestigious food writer who spent fourteen years working in an illustrious  restaurant (winning three James Beard awards and a Michelin star along the way) who also married into the food equivalent of the Kennedys,  somehow doesn’t know more than any good home cook. It doesn’t logically scan to me. I have to give her the truth of her career covering news and politics, and the very high likelihood she knows more than people who did not spend a decade and a half  covering hard news,  cultural third rails and elections.

I put myself in that category, btw, and I consider myself a pretty well informed political junkie. I read widely (British, Canadian and American news coverage, right and left) as well as blogs and books. I’ve been doing some version of that since I was a teenager (harder pre-internet; WE HAD TO READ MAGAZINES AND NEWSPAPERS, KIDS!)  I’ve ended up (often) using politics in scripts (most recently a pilot about a NY city congressman -- which didn’t sell. Sad. film noire is a loser.) My husband is as big a junkie as I am. As are my family,  my in-laws, and every friend I have. And I'm pretty sure I cannot hold a candle to what Radziwill can bring to the table when discussing politics.  Because however much I read and search and sift... I’m in the audience, she’s backstage. I can’t pick up the phone and get RFK Jr to tell me what the mood is like in Washington around HRC or Trump's campaign. I can't email WH reporters for dish and inside info.   I’ve never interviewed Giuliani.  I dislike her immensely -- the condescension, the pigtails, the legs kicking on the goddamn bicycle handlebars -- but I have no doubt she could leave me in the dust if we got into a political discussion.

eta; Trooper is punning below on my use of "mop the floor" which I changed right as he posted, because I preferred PTV history record me as being "left in the dust" -- at least I stay dry that way ; )

Edited May 7, 2017 by film noire

[Trooper York]

I would rethink that film noire. Carole has never graced us with anything resembling an informed opinion. She simply parrots liberal social justice warrior cant that you can get from any undergraduate. You can at least reason and speak and write articulately without a ghostwriter. You would mop the floor with her.

That is also because Carole never mops her floor which is probably a disgusting amalgam of dog piss, cat hair and vegetable shavings hidden under a tattered smelly couch.

[Former Nun]

On 5/6/2017 at 9:22 AM, Martinigirl said:

They are savvy at six.  lol

...but definitely not FIVE!

[ryebread]

1 hour ago, film noire said:

Anybody with expertise on a topic has more to bring to the table than those without expertise. Radziwill spent close to fifteen years covering hot button topics in American politics ( gun control, abortion, foreign policy - she was in Israel during the SCUD attacks in Gulf 1, and embedded with the 101st airborne in Afghanistan) and has won several major awards (three Emmys and a Peabody) and she also covered elections -- interviewing senators and congressmen and political hacks while at ABC news -- and after she left hard news, her “lunch date” interview column for Glamour included Anderson Cooper, Bobby Kennedy, Rudi Giuliani.  Much fluffier than her hard news work, yes, but not just celebs either. In her private life, she married into one of the greatest political dynasties ever. She is also someone who once voted Republican (Reagan and Bush 1) and now votes Dem, so she is familiar with both sides of the political aisle as a voter, not just as a journalist.

So -  to me - to say all of that highly specialized and heralded history, specifically covering politics and news, does not give the woman bragging rights into sifting through election coverage is like saying a prestigious food writer who spent fourteen years working in an illustrious  restaurant (winning three James Beard awards and a Michelin star along the way) who also married into the food equivalent of the Kennedys,  somehow doesn’t know more than any good home cook. It doesn’t logically scan to me. I have to give her the truth of her career covering news and politics, and the very high likelihood she knows more than people who did not spend a decade and a half  covering hard news,  cultural third rails and elections.

What was, was - but that's not what she is now.  Her twitter feed has given her away. 

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I put myself in that category, btw, and I consider myself a pretty well informed political junkie. I read widely (British, Canadian and American news coverage, right and left) as well as blogs and books. I’ve been doing some version of that since I was a teenager (harder pre-internet; WE HAD TO READ MAGAZINES AND NEWSPAPERS, KIDS!)  I’ve ended up (often) using politics in scripts (most recently a pilot about a NY city congressman -- which didn’t sell. Sad. film noire is a loser.) My husband is as big a junkie as I am. As are my family,  my in-laws, and every friend I have. And I'm pretty sure I cannot hold a candle to what Radziwill can bring to the table when discussing politics.  Because however much I read and search and sift... I’m in the audience, she’s backstage. I can’t pick up the phone and get RFK Jr to tell me what the mood is like in Washington around HRC or Trump's campaign. I can't email WH reporters for dish and inside info.   I’ve never interviewed Giuliani.  I dislike her immensely -- the condescension, the pigtails, the legs kicking on the goddamn bicycle handlebars -- but I have no doubt she could leave me in the dust if we got into a political discussion.

eta; Trooper is punning below on my use of "mop the floor" which I changed right as he posted, because I preferred PTV history record me as being "left in the dust" -- at least I stay dry that way ; )

I've been reading your posts for years now.  And Carole's tweets and blog entries for almost the same amount of time.  I'm fairly confident you could hold your own re: politics with her.  See, you have critical thinking skills.  And she's just....hysterical.  Regardless of whom she could ring up, I'm betting that if they're watching her, reading her, have known her for any length of time, most would find her as much of a condescending child/woman as you and I do.  She might be able to say, "I had lunch with RFK Jr and he told me xyz...."  But I still would argue that what she comes away with from that conversation is his backstage opinion, mingled with her own opinion and the truth lies somewhere in the middle.  Sure, she's got bragging rights to her past and who she knows now - but for me it's her method of bragging that makes me think she's a complete and utter ninny.

[Trooper York]

My money is on you film noire. Mopping or dusting. You won't be left in the dust by Carole.

Because seriously. Do you think Carole ever dusts anything? 

I bet you could write the Declaration of Independence on the dust on the top of her dresser.

Edited May 7, 2017 by Trooper York
Because I need a ghostwriter.

[Luckylondon]

On 5/6/2017 at 11:03 AM, KungFuBunny said:

My one comment about Carole's Election Party.

Carole's wore red gloves while using her phone.

I want to know what kind of phone that is, because every phone I have had I can not use the phone while having any type of fabric on my hands. I tried mittens (Carole pronunciation would be mi ins), gloves. In all fabrics wool, leather. I can't even swipe to type in my pass code. I had to buy fingerless gloves for the winter.

Carole's red leather gloves are fingerless. She has worn them before in other seasons. 

[Chit Chat]

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And I'm pretty sure I cannot hold a candle to what Radziwill can bring to the table when discussing politics.

Give yourself some credit, film noire!  I'm sure Carole was spouting off the same talking points we all heard a thousand times before.  I don't think she really had anything new to bring to the table.  It was all the same regurgitated info we heard from both parties for over a year.  I'm just not that impressed with her "superior" knowledge. 

[LIMOM]

3 hours ago, film noire said:

I adore you ryebread, but.... : )

Anybody with expertise on a topic has more to bring to the table than those without expertise. Radziwill spent close to fifteen years covering hot button topics in American politics ( gun control, abortion, foreign policy - she was in Israel during the SCUD attacks in Gulf 1, and embedded with the 101st airborne in Afghanistan) and has won several major awards (three Emmys and a Peabody) and she also covered elections -- interviewing senators and congressmen and political hacks while at ABC news -- and after she left hard news, her “lunch date” interview column for Glamour included Anderson Cooper, Bobby Kennedy, Rudi Giuliani.  Much fluffier than her hard news work, yes, but not just celebs either. In her private life, she married into one of the greatest political dynasties ever. She is also someone who once voted Republican (Reagan and Bush 1) and now votes Dem, so she is familiar with both sides of the political aisle as a voter, not just as a journalist.

So -  to me - to say all of that highly specialized and heralded history, specifically covering politics and news, does not give the woman bragging rights into sifting through election coverage is like saying a prestigious food writer who spent fourteen years working in an illustrious  restaurant (winning three James Beard awards and a Michelin star along the way) who also married into the food equivalent of the Kennedys,  somehow doesn’t know more than any good home cook. It doesn’t logically scan to me. I have to give her the truth of her career covering news and politics, and the very high likelihood she knows more than people who did not spend a decade and a half  covering hard news,  cultural third rails and elections.

I put myself in that category, btw, and I consider myself a pretty well informed political junkie. I read widely (British, Canadian and American news coverage, right and left) as well as blogs and books. I’ve been doing some version of that since I was a teenager (harder pre-internet; WE HAD TO READ MAGAZINES AND NEWSPAPERS, KIDS!)  I’ve ended up (often) using politics in scripts (most recently a pilot about a NY city congressman -- which didn’t sell. Sad. film noire is a loser.) My husband is as big a junkie as I am. As are my family,  my in-laws, and every friend I have. And I'm pretty sure I cannot hold a candle to what Radziwill can bring to the table when discussing politics.  Because however much I read and search and sift... I’m in the audience, she’s backstage. I can’t pick up the phone and get RFK Jr to tell me what the mood is like in Washington around HRC or Trump's campaign. I can't email WH reporters for dish and inside info.   I’ve never interviewed Giuliani.  I dislike her immensely -- the condescension, the pigtails, the legs kicking on the goddamn bicycle handlebars -- but I have no doubt she could leave me in the dust if we got into a political discussion.

eta; Trooper is punning below on my use of "mop the floor" which I changed right as he posted, because I preferred PTV history record me as being "left in the dust" -- at least I stay dry that way ; )

While I agree with you that she has a storied former career, I would not discount your deep knowledge of politics and unfavorably comparing yourself to Carol.

Yes, she was in the presence of many politicians and at one time was part of the most famous democratic family in this country, however that does not make her a political genius.

She might be privy to some of their private thoughts and know a bit more about the behind the scene, but so what?

She has access but imo lacks insight.

If she was really that into politics and journalism, she would still be at it.

There was a fluff article today in the NYT about Judy Woodroff. Now, her and Gwen (rip) are true passionate journalists.

As far as her tweeter feed and her instagram, who knows if she actually is the one who authors it all or if she has an intern.

Edited May 7, 2017 by LIMOM

[KungFuBunny]

Ramona's Party pic

 

[Ki-in]

For someone with such an impressive pedigree and resume why wasn't Carole on any pundit show during the election? You know, having interviewed politicians and having her finger on the pulse of the nation and all. Even Bill Maher had Chelsea Handler, a mere comedian, on his show but not this tuned in, smarter more informed than the average voter award winning journalist who was once married to a Kennedy cousin writer girl   .

Carole needed someone to explain to her that opinion is not the same as fact. 

Edited May 7, 2017 by Ki-in

[KungFuBunny]

The premiere party for this season..a few short interviews with Dorinda, Sonja, Carole, Ramona, Luanne.

Andy is in the group shot at the end

[motorcitymom65]

16 minutes ago, Ki-in said:

For someone with such an impressive pedigree and resume why wasn't Carole on any pundit show during the election? You know, having interviewed politicians and having her finger on the pulse of the nation and all. Even Bill Maher had Chelsea Handler, a mere comedian, on his show but not this tuned in, smarter more informed than the average voter award winning journalist who was once married to a Kennedy cousin writer girl   .

Carole needed someone to explain to her that opinion is not the same as fact. 

Maybe because she is just happy doing what she is doing? 

[motorcitymom65]

Maybe we can just let Carole have the fact that she is more into politics than the others, and might know more about it because of her interest. They all have something. Lu knows the most about etiquette and open marriages, Ramona the most about being the rudest person on the face of the planet, and the one that can get an A/C unit delivered and installed in a mere few hours, Dorinda knows when it is appropriate to say "fuck" (never in Europe - because it is just not done there), the rules for walking into a restaurant, and how many ins and outs are allowed in Sonja's "tunnel". Sonja knows about interns, and Tinsley knows how to become famous for absolutely nothing (although so far I am really liking her). They all have their things, so maybe we should just let them have their things and it will all be nice. 

[KungFuBunny]

7 hours ago, BBHN said:

Yeah, lord knows there are plenty of other things we can criticize/make fun of about her. Posing naked shouldn't be one of them.

Would Ramona have even noticed if he had? lol

Are you sure? Sometimes that Tricky Turtle is observant

[LIMOM]

34 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Maybe we can just let Carole have the fact that she is more into politics than the others, and might know more about it because of her interest. They all have something. Lu knows the most about etiquette and open marriages, Ramona the most about being the rudest person on the face of the planet, and the one that can get an A/C unit delivered and installed in a mere few hours, Dorinda knows when it is appropriate to say "fuck" (never in Europe - because it is just not done there), the rules for walking into a restaurant, and how many ins and outs are allowed in Sonja's "tunnel". Sonja knows about interns, and Tinsley knows how to become famous for absolutely nothing (although so far I am really liking her). They all have their things, so maybe we should just let them have their things and it will all be nice. 

Did Carole ever say what she was doing after writing her book and joining the show?

And what was she doing in LA?

I

[Otherkate]

If she does have an intern doing her twitter feed, she should fire them because it's embarrassing. And I'm willing to bet that Carole and I agree on 99.4% of the issues, but her tweets are awful. I completely respect her journalistic cred and don't think it should be dismissed. God knows, I believe she knows more than Ramona. But - she's not doing herself any favors with that feed. IMO there's a lot going on that we need to be paying attention to but people like Carole make those things easy to dismiss by acting like reactionary lunatics online.

Re: Carole's friend with the deplorable shirt - it's not hard for me to imagine that Carole's tolerance is much higher for a respected, maybe longtime friend (don't know) than it would be for an insane cockatoo like Ramona. 

I miss Gwen so much, LIMOM. 

[Martinigirl]

1 hour ago, KungFuBunny said:

Are you sure? Sometimes that Tricky Turtle is observant

LOL! She looks like the vintage Kit Cat Clock. 

[Atlanta]

As far as Carole having the inside view on politics, surely no moderate or conservative would confide in her. She only has one 'inside' view. She may have friends in high places, but they subscribe to her same group-think. A lot of people follow the news and check a variety of sources and are informed. Carole doesn't own the franchise on that.

[Lemons]

On 5/4/2017 at 7:28 PM, Mozelle said:

Wasn't that a rental car that Carole had? I don't rent cars all that frequently, but the last time I was in LA, I did rent a nice vehicle--much more modern and updated than my decade old Mazda 3 lol. I only learned to work the Bluetooth of the rental and didn't futz with all the other stuff because I didn't know what they did. I was curious, of course, but too scared to actually start pushing anything.

I rent cars a lot and and every one is so different you need to fiddle with buttons for at least a day before you know what they are. The worst is getting used to different GPSs.

[Trooper York]

Clean up on aisle three please.

[lunastartron]

1 hour ago, breezy424 said:

I do think, because of her professional role in journalism and production, Carole has more insight into politics than the average person.  I totally give her that.  I've had a little participation in politics and...well.. it's mind blowing.  I also think she was extremely passionate about the election.  The reality is that most people don't look beyond the headlines and bullshit that 'politics' is all about.  I don't do twitter and apparently some of her tweets come off as having more to do with emotion rather than insight.   And that's not journalism.

I don't want to cross any lines here about politics but I'm going to get on the soap box.  I will say that Carole as well as myself have been listening to Trump long before he became a national celebrity.  New Yorkers and the NY metropolitan area have been listening to him and his BS for decades.  He was going to save Atlantic City.  Yeah, how many of his casinos have bankrupt.  I get that people want a savior of sorts.  Ken in the red sweater who worked in the coal industry?  I get Carole attitude.  It's like really?  Trump?  Daddy gave him how many millions to 'start' his career?  He hasn't a clue.

Heck.  I've watched this guy for decades.  The video of him and Billy Bush was the icing on the cake for me.  I have a daughter.  Just no.  Say what you will about Bill Clinton but Hillary Clinton is not Bill Clinton.  I get the attitude Carole, as well as Heather, had.

Ok.  A lot of politics here but do we not all agree that the woman's march was one of the most fantastic things to be a part of or see on TV?  Well, except for Madonna and her ignorant comments.  I don't know if Carole participated but I hope she did.  Off the box.  Sorry mods.

Per her own words, Carole can't decide if a woman is completely discrete from her husband or of being married to a particular man says everything that needs to be known about a woman. 

She calls out the irony of Melania calling for civility while defending her husband ... yet can't discern the irony in lambasting a woman's intellect as "#Braindust" because she's loyal to a spouse that uses puerile insults.

She's "informed" but refers to women who have accused Clinton of sexual assault as his "mistresses." 

She champions Hillary because she's nominally all about feminism and opposed to misogyny but thinks slut shaming a woman for being free with nudity and her own body is logical. 

It's clear IMO that this storied career in news production that conferred such astute capabilities of "reading between the lines" didn't give Carole any critical thinking skills.

[film noire]

8 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

 Sonja knows about interns

I dig your posts, MCM 65 (imagine me in a beatnik beret -- and those damn pigtails -- throwing jazz hands as I say that)  but THOSE ARE FIGHTING WORDS.

CLEARLY,  SONJA'S EXPERTISE IS ALL THINGS BIDET. 

IN FACT, SHE'S WORKING ON A COMBO BIDET /TOASTER OVEN EVEN AS WE POST. IT CAN WASH YOUR PANTIES AND REHEAT LOBSTER THERMIDOR AT THE SAME TIME.

16 hours ago, Otherkate said:

 But...I kind of don't blame her. She's probably thrilled. 

Right? ("Okay, Barron, sleepy time! Yes, Mama loves you -- no, Mr. Bad Man won't be back for WEEKS! Sleep well, budchen!...how I LOVE being alone in this gilded cage....MICROWAVE POPCORN for dinner! -- and my favorite cocktail, a Cosmo! Just like Carrie and her friends...when will I meet my Mr Big, I wonder? Look -  Seth and Stephen, my TV boyfriends are on! -- I  wonder what funny thing Stephen will say about Mr. Bad Man? Cock holster?!! WAS HE WATCHING US ON VACATION LAST YEAR?")

God it would be awesome if she somehow became a NY housewife in the next few years.

A GIRL IN PIGTAILS CAN DREAM, CAN'T SHE?

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Because seriously. Do you think Carole ever dusts anything? 

I think she likes to polish up her ego,  every now and then ; )

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[film noire]

8 hours ago, ryebread said:

What was, was - but that's not what she is now.  Her twitter feed has given her away. 

I've been reading your posts for years now.  And Carole's tweets and blog entries for almost the same amount of time.  I'm fairly confident you could hold your own re: politics with her.  See, you have critical thinking skills.  And she's just....hysterical.  Regardless of whom she could ring up, I'm betting that if they're watching her, reading her, have known her for any length of time, most would find her as much of a condescending child/woman as you and I do.  She might be able to say, "I had lunch with RFK Jr and he told me xyz...."  But I still would argue that what she comes away with from that conversation is his backstage opinion, mingled with her own opinion and the truth lies somewhere in the middle.  Sure, she's got bragging rights to her past and who she knows now - but for me it's her method of bragging that makes me think she's a complete and utter ninny.

I think this is one of those YMMV moments, ryebread (in this case, we're actually on the road; we're going to Washington, to visit everybody she's interviewed, to get the definitive dirt on her political smarts - and you're driving and I'm pushing the bu'ons -- cuz I can't drive. Well, technically, I CAN, but  IT'S A BAD IDEA FOR MANKIND. It's THAT kind of YMMV. )

[KungFuBunny]

4 hours ago, film noire said:

I think this is one of those YMMV moments, ryebread (in this case, we're actually on the road; we're going to Washington, to visit everybody she's interviewed, to get the definitive dirt on her political smarts - and you're driving and I'm pushing the bu'ons -- cuz I can't drive. Well, technically, I CAN, but  IT'S A BAD IDEA FOR MANKIND. It's THAT kind of YMMV. )

For a more authentic feel, can you and ryebread re-name the car Baby?

Snapchat videos would be appreciated

[hoodooznoodooz]

Do you think Ramona will ever become more self-aware? She's so arrogant and smug and condescending.

Or do you think, deep down, she realizes that she's overcompensating for enormous insecurities and low self esteem?

[Martinigirl]

22 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Do you think Ramona will ever become more self-aware? She's so arrogant and smug and condescending.

Or do you think, deep down, she realizes that she's overcompensating for enormous insecurities and low self esteem?

I don't think she has a damn clue

[KungFuBunny]

31 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Do you think Ramona will ever become more self-aware? She's so arrogant and smug and condescending.

Or do you think, deep down, she realizes that she's overcompensating for enormous insecurities and low self esteem?

Somewhere in NY, Ramona is busy putting together her DWTS audition tape.

[Martinigirl]

6 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

Somewhere in NY, Ramona is busy putting together her DWTS audition tape.

Oh, I want to see that!!!!!!!!

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