S09.E03: A New Low

[Mindthinkr]

5 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

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I thought she had left that job when she moved to be with the rich boyfriend.  The one she was with for years before she eloped with the Count while he was out of town?

She did that? Oh my. Tom better beware. A serial marrier (I know there's no such word but it seems to fit, except in the Counts case it was Hypergamy).

I wish they could film and get it onto the screen in a much shorter time. I feel all of this is redundant at times (I.e.: Carole and the election,  LuAnn getting married, Bethenny's divorce and child custody issues). Gosh we haven't even seen the holidays begin so it's still going to be awhile until Lu's I do's. 

[escape]

1 hour ago, sasha206 said:

Actually not true with LuAnn who had a career in Italy as a TV host before she met her husband, so really, you're post is not at all accurate. She had success on her own before she met the Count and was living a really nice lifestyle.  

But it wasn't anything that she was able to sustain on a long term basis.  Once she got married, she was more interested in being The Countess.  Just like Sonja wanted to be Lady Morgan.  And when their marriages ended after their husbands left, both struggled financially.  Whereas Ramona and Bethenny always made their own money and were actually more self-made than the men they married.

Edited April 21, 2017 by escape

[IKnowRight]

2 minutes ago, Mojoker said:

Dorinda keeps getting partially quoted, out of context. She didn't sound irrational.  She was making a valid point, using hyperbole.

Valid point?  She sounded crazy and Carole was nodding along to the hysteria. I listened to it more than once, she made it sound like her daughter should just give it up to any a@@hole.  Considering how rude John has been, I am not so sure Dorinda has a choir boy for a boyfriend herself.

[Mindthinkr]

3 hours ago, jaync said:

Yeah, it's pretty glaringly obvious; the desperate and ridiculous way she pimps her crap is like a bad SNL skit at this point. T

I'd like to see that. I bet it would be funny. 

[Mojoker]

17 minutes ago, IKnowRight said:

Valid point?  She sounded crazy and Carole was nodding along to the hysteria. I listened to it more than once, she made it sound like her daughter should just give it up to any a@@hole.  Considering how rude John has been, I am not so sure Dorinda has a choir boy for a boyfriend herself.

Yes, she was making a valid point using hyperbole. Her comment had nothing to do with her daughter giving it up to anyone; it wasn't meant to be taken literally. Her exact words were: "If I wake up on Wednesday morning and he is the president, I'm going to say to Hannah, 'Go strip right now. Be done with it all, take your brain out of your head, find a misogynist pig, and go strip, 'cause you, too, can be in the White House." Her point was that her daughter could behave in any disgusting manner, be any kind of degenerate, and still become president. Whether you agree with the spirit of the comment or not, there was nothing irrational about it.

[Trooper York]

It was terrible for Bethenny to say that "Luann will be blowing him" about the restaurant owner when she walked into the restaurant. 

But Ramona was just as bad when Carole walked into her dinner party and she shouted "There's a fungus among us!'

They are just so mean.

Edited April 21, 2017 by Trooper York

[snarts]

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But it wasn't anything that she was able to sustain on a long term basis.  Once she got married, she was more interested in being The Countess.  Just like Sonja wanted to be Lady Morgan.  And when their marriages ended after their husbands left, both struggled financially.  Whereas Ramona and Bethenny always made their own money and were actually more self-made than the men they married.

Luann choose to get married and start a family with the Count but I've no doubt that had she chosen a different route, she would've sustained herself.  We've not seen her struggle financially since the divorce.  In addition to the show, she has her clothing collection (which has to be a moderately successful based on the recent expansion into housewares), and some nice Hamptons real estate.

Even Sonja, who has seemed to struggle due to bad investments/resulting lawsuits, still makes nice bank from the show and is sitting on some NY real estate (no idea how much equity she might have).  She's not exactly destitute.

Interested to see how Tinsley fits into the group dynamics.  I liked the way she handles Sonja.

[sasha206]

3 hours ago, escape said:

But it wasn't anything that she was able to sustain on a long term basis.  Once she got married, she was more interested in being The Countess.  Just like Sonja wanted to be Lady Morgan.  And when their marriages ended after their husbands left, both struggled financially.  Whereas Ramona and Bethenny always made their own money and were actually more self-made than the men they married.

I'm not comparing Lu to Bethenny or Ramona. I'm just dismissing that before she was married, she didn't do anything of merit.  A TV job isn't an easy thing to land, particularly if you don't even speak the language.  Seems to me, Lu was enough of a go getter to snag a job like that.  The fact she didn't sustain it once married doesn't mean a lot to me either.  She had kids and he probably traveled a lot.  

I have a lot of respect for women who earned their wealth completely on their own.  I just don't think I would call a life where someone became a nurse, modeled and landed a TV show in Italy as one where she just did nothing but gold dig.

Edited April 22, 2017 by sasha206

[Chit Chat]

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Her point was that her daughter could behave in any disgusting manner, be any kind of degenerate, and still become president. Whether you agree with the spirit of the comment or not, there was nothing irrational about it.

You just described Bill Clinton and a whole host of other politicians we've seen over the years! I wonder if Dorinda felt the same way about any of them.   Shouldn't she have been just as concerned for her daughter if Bill Clinton had been First Husband?  Odd that she'd be okay with that.

As long as you agree with Carol, then you're informed.  If you don't, then you're part of the "most people don't know politics" comment who aren't.  It's really annoying and condescending.  

I hope that LuAnn and Tom's marriage will make it.  Even though the ladies say they'll be there for her if it doesn't, honestly, they're just waiting to say I told you so.   I'd hate to have friends like that.

Edited April 21, 2017 by ChitChat

[Trooper York]

Luann and Tom's marriage will last longer than Bethenny's and Carole's friendship and will be much less lopsided than Ramona's boobs.

They will be fine. They are two adults. Experienced adults in every sense of the word. They got married for their own reasons. Who are we to judge. More importantly who are Bethenny, Carole, Ramona or Sonja to judge. There is not one ongoing long term relationship among the entire coven.

The only one who is in a long term relationship is Sonja with her tattered wardrobe and Sharpie repaired pocket books. Yeesh.

[Mojoker]

54 minutes ago, Trooper York said:

Luann and Tom's marriage will last longer than Bethenny's and Carole's friendship and will be much less lopsided than Ramona's boobs.

They will be fine. They are two adults. Experienced adults in every sense of the word. They got married for their own reasons. Who are we to judge. More importantly who are Bethenny, Carole, Ramona or Sonja to judge. There is not one ongoing long term relationship among the entire coven.

The only one who is in a long term relationship is Sonja with her tattered wardrobe and Sharpie repaired pocket books. Yeesh.

Ramona was married for 22 years, which I consider an ongoing, long-term relationship, and certainly knows, firsthand, what a cheating spouse can do to a marriage. Luann and Tom will stay married for as long as Luann is okay with him screwing around, which is sort of pathetic.

1 hour ago, ChitChat said:

You just described Bill Clinton and a whole host of other politicians we've seen over the years! I wonder if Dorinda felt the same way about any of them.   Shouldn't she have been just as concerned for her daughter if Bill Clinton had been First Husband?  Odd that she'd be okay with that.

As long as you agree with Carol, then you're informed.  If you don't, then you're part of the "most people don't know politics" comment who aren't.  It's really annoying and condescending.  

I hope that LuAnn and Tom's marriage will make it.  Even though the ladies say they'll be there for her if it doesn't, honestly, they're just waiting to say I told you so.   I'd hate to have friends like that.

My comment wasn't political.  I was explaining the full context of Dorinda's comment in this episode. I don't know about Dorinda's opinion of other politicians, nor do I want to know. 

2 hours ago, escape said:

But it wasn't anything that she was able to sustain on a long term basis.  Once she got married, she was more interested in being The Countess.  Just like Sonja wanted to be Lady Morgan.  And when their marriages ended after their husbands left, both struggled financially.  Whereas Ramona and Bethenny always made their own money and were actually more self-made than the men they married.

I believe once Luann got married she was more interested in being a wife and mother than an Italian TV personality.  And when has Luann ever struggled financially??

[Mojoker]

2 hours ago, Mindthinkr said:

She did that? Oh my. Tom better beware. A serial marrier (I know there's no such word but it seems to fit, except in the Counts case it was Hypergamy).

I wish they could film and get it onto the screen in a much shorter time. I feel all of this is redundant at times (I.e.: Carole and the election,  LuAnn getting married, Bethenny's divorce and child custody issues). Gosh we haven't even seen the holidays begin so it's still going to be awhile until Lu's I do's. 

I'm not sure being married once (before Tom) would qualify Luann as a serial marry-er.  I don't think you can be a serial anything if you've only done it once.

[Mindthinkr]

3 minutes ago, Mojoker said:

I'm not sure being married once (before Tom) would qualify Luann as a serial marry-er.  I don't think you can be a serial anything if you've only done it once.

Yes, I see what you mean.  Let me correct that to man-fiend...or addicted to men...maybe the attention or sex. 

Edited April 22, 2017 by Mindthinkr

[Lemons]

2 hours ago, sasha206 said:

I'm not comparing Lu to Bethenny or Ramona. I'm just dismissing that before she was married, she didn't do anything of merit.  A TV isn't an easy thing to land, particularly if you don't even speak the language.  Seems to me, Lu was enough of a go getter to snag a job like that.  The fact she didn't sustain it once married doesn't mean a lot to me either.  She had kids and he probably traveled a lot.  

I have a lot of respect for women who earned their wealth completely on their own.  I just don't think I would call a life where someone became a nurse, modeled and landed a TV show in Italy as one where she just did nothing but gold dig.

You can work and gold dig at the same time. Wealth and status seem to be super important to Luann.   She really went all out with the countess foolishness, a title so meaningless that you can buy one online. She jumped at marrying this guy because he has money and being over 50 in NYC, your prospects get slimmer every year. I'm not saying she doesn't care for him, who knows, but if was the doorman she wouldn't be engaged within months of their first meeting. 

[sasha206]

3 minutes ago, Lemons said:

You can work and gold dig at the same time. Wealth and status seem to be super important to Luann.   She really went all out with the countess foolishness, a title so meaningless that you can buy one online. She jumped at marrying this guy because he has money and being over 50 in NYC, your prospects get slimmer every year. I'm not saying she doesn't care for him, who knows, but if was the doorman she wouldn't be engaged within months of their first meeting. 

I hear you.  And I certainly think that her wanting a wealthy lifestyle is why she would turn a blind eye.  But then again, I never really bought the giddy love she has with them.  I think they both get something out of it -- he gets a famous wife who now has made him famous.  Well, infamous.  There are men who love having that celebrity wife, even if it is just a bravolebrity.

[zoeysmom]

1 hour ago, Mojoker said:

Ramona was married for 22 years, which I consider an ongoing, long-term relationship, and certainly knows, firsthand, what a cheating spouse can do to a marriage. Luann and Tom will stay married for as long as Luann is okay with him screwing around, which is sort of pathetic.

My comment wasn't political.  I was explaining the full context of Dorinda's comment in this episode. I don't know about Dorinda's opinion of other politicians, nor do I want to know. 

I believe once Luann got married she was more interested in being a wife and mother than an Italian TV personality.  And when has Luann ever struggled financially??

I fail to see how Ramona's 20+ year marriage qualifies her as being in on-going long term relationship presently.  She has been flying solo for a few seasons now.  We have no evidence Tom is screwing around but one thing as certain as a stopped clock being right twice a day, Luann's co stars will be sure to bring her any evidence, speculative, non-speculative at every turn because they care that much about her, when they are calling her a slut, whore or predicting she will blow the restaurant manager. 

I actually got what Dorinda was saying, just a note to Dorinda, perhaps your daughter should complete her education or have a job before she fulfills a destiny of becoming a stripper and marries a misogynist.  Tiny steps for Hannah.  I like Dorinda, I understand where she is coming from, and her commentary for the times was succinct.

What sets Luann apart from many a RH, is she is not lavish.  She is very comfortable, lives a great life but why not be waterfront and have an outboard instead of some castle and a yacht?  She is thinking ahead and my guess is her money is hers. and she is not blowing it any time soon.

[HunterHunted]

4 hours ago, ChitChat said:

You just described Bill Clinton and a whole host of other politicians we've seen over the years! I wonder if Dorinda felt the same way about any of them.   Shouldn't she have been just as concerned for her daughter if Bill Clinton had been First Husband?  Odd that she'd be okay with that.

Dorinda wouldn't have an issue with Bill Clinton because she actually knows the Clintons. Richard started as a legislative aide. He was Geraldine Ferraro's speechwriter. He was chief economist for the House Banking Committee. He was chief economist for the House Democratic leadership. He worked for George Soros. He also raised funds for both Clintons' political campaigns.

I believe that the first time Dorinda was on WWHL Hillary tweeted at her.

Edited April 22, 2017 by HunterHunted

[Atlanta]

Lu, invest in this:

[breezy424]

Wow,  interesting turn in the conversation.  And interesting conclusions drawn. 

My two cents.... Yes, Beth was with Jason when she had that conversation with Ro on the bridge.

I would consider Ro's marriage with Mario a long term relationship.

Lu was successful before she met the count.  And heck, I give credit being an RN as successful, never mind her hosting a TV show in Italy.  Is success tied to money?  I hope not.  What does that say about fire and police officers... teachers....?

I don't have a problem with Lu talking with Ro about Beth at the table.  Beth has done the same with Jules.  And since Beth has declared her a whore who has fucked everyone, Lu referring to Beth as doing soft porn is quite tame by comparison IMO.  I don't buy Beth being ok with her past.  She was pissed and walked out after the witch and wicked remarks.  Yep, there are chinks in the armor.  It only works with Beth when things are on her terms.  She wasn't controlling the conversation so she walked.

I don't have as much as a problem with Carole as others.  Don't get me wrong.  I've found remarks she has made insulting (saying to Aviva that she never worked outside the home so she's unqualified).  However, I do kind of get her with Ro being uninformed and a person who doesn't do their research.  Seeing Ro over how many seasons???  Not surprised.  However, she didn't have to throw out that she knows more because of her background.  It comes off being arrogant.  I do get her passion about the election but her delivery didn't work.

Lastly, Tom cheated on Lu but that doesn't make him a serial cheater.  We don't know what happened that night.  There were seasons that I loved Lu and seasons I hated her.  But, the woman was never destitute.  And in the end, she comes off being a lot happier than most of the other housewives.  And if there was one housewife who I would take looks from, it would be Lu.  The woman has it going on physically.  I would take Kyle for family life (excluding dealing with Kim).

[AndySmith]

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Who are we to judge

While this site isn't exactly TWOP, the spirit of that site is strong here...judging the HWs (across all the franchise) is what keeps these boards alive.

[Lemons]

25 minutes ago, AndySmith said:

While this site isn't exactly TWOP, the spirit of that site is strong here...judging the HWs (across all the franchise) is what keeps these boards alive.

I know, right?  I thought we were all judging, that's what's so fun,  being judgy about people you never have to have a real conversation with. 

[breezy424]

This site is so much better than TWOP.  We have moderators who give us so much more leeway.  Just saying.

[Petunia13]

I actually don't mind Beth's new hair. She has very severe features and frame so maybe she should embrace editorial hair. I wonder if she went Ellen Page with her hair or androgynous with her look it would strangely work. 

I also don't mind Hannah (Dorinda's daughter's) big eyebrows. I enjoy seeing something different. I think Frida Kahlo was extremely beautiful and a style icon and while she's no Frida or Salma good for her for embracing a quirk. 

I also think Dorinda is really pretty but I find Edie Falco attractive and Dorinda looks like a less edgy/cool "safe" version of her. 

[motorcitymom65]

7 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

Dorinda wouldn't have an issue with Bill Clinton because she actually knows the Clintons. Richard started as a legislative aide. He was Geraldine Ferraro's speechwriter. He was chief economist for the House Banking Committee. He was chief economist for the House Democratic leadership. He worked for George Soros. He also raised funds for both Clintons' political campaigns.

I believe that the first time Dorinda was on WWHL Hillary tweeted at her.

Thanks for this reminder. I had forgotten Dorinda's close ties to the Clinton's. This was probably really personal to her. 

[Mindthinkr]

3 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Thanks for this reminder. I had forgotten Dorinda's close ties to the Clinton's. This was probably really personal to her. 

I had also forgotten that backstory re: Richard and Dorinda. You'd think that this would have given her a big thing in common with Carole to discuss, giving them a reason to be become closer friends. Everyone is chatting about how Carole has the potential to be OTT this season with all of her election speak. I wouldn't mind seeing Carole and Dorinda becoming closer now that it appears that Bethenny is loosing patience with Carole. Out of this blossoming friendship I would also like them to discover other things that they have in common to get us out of the ruts that are being formed in the road called housewife street! 

[AndySmith]

Didn't they already bond over being widows?

[Mindthinkr]

I think so but I haven't seen to much bonding between them as other housewives have always been present. 

I wish we could view these women doing more 'things' together besides the eating scenes. An example would be a ski trip. Sonja would make a funny bunny drinking and flirting at the lodge, a non-skiier would be funny to watch trying to learn the snow plow and gee wouldn't the producers love showcasing Bethenny's skills at parallel skiing (don't know that she can). Heck, there are a few places within 1.5 hours of the city for skiing. What about taking the women horseback riding? Hmm..wonder who would be silly enough to wear shorts and get saddle sores? A scavenger hunt could be interesting. I'd love to see Carole and Adam out of their normal habitat (her apt). Put them (all of the women)  into a cooking class where they learn to cook a new cuisine. What about a ropes course and zip line venue? Those are just a few off of the top of my head but I could elaborate with more but y'all get the idea. Give them something to do so we can discuss how they do it rather than their personalities (which can be stale at this point). I hope the new girl Tinsley can breathe some fresh life into this franchise. 

Edited April 22, 2017 by Mindthinkr
Clarification. Not enough tea yet lol.

[motorcitymom65]

23 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

I think so but I haven't seen to much bonding between them as other housewives have always been present. 

I wish we could view these women doing more 'things' together besides the eating scenes. An example would be a ski trip. Sonja would make a funny bunny drinking and flirting at the lodge, a non-skiier would be funny to watch trying to learn the snow plow and gee wouldn't the producers love showcasing Bethenny's skills at parallel skiing (don't know that she can). Heck, there are a few places within 1.5 hours of the city for skiing. What about taking the women horseback riding? Hmm..wonder who would be silly enough to wear shorts and get saddle sores? A scavenger hunt could be interesting. I'd love to see Carole and Adam out of their normal habitat (her apt). Put them (all of the women)  into a cooking class where they learn to cook a new cuisine. What about a ropes course and zip line venue? Those are just a few off of the top of my head but I could elaborate with more but y'all get the idea. Give them something to do so we can discuss how they do it rather than their personalities (which can be stale at this point). I hope the new girl Tinsley can breathe some fresh life into this franchise. 

I agree with you about seeing them do different things than just sit down to meals that usually end up with someone screaming at someone else. The thing is, I do think they do a lot of other things, but we don't see it because there isn't enough drama. We know they do a lot of other things because the HW's have lamented the fun stuff that we never get to see. Below is the blog post that Carole wrote after the Montana trip, which was a shit storm. There was so much that we didn't see. Who among us wouldn't have loved to have seen these gals dirty dancing with locals at a bar? Sign me up for this, and probably all the other stuff that got cut out of this, and other episodes, especially the vacations:

"We had a better time than you all saw. The show always focuses on drama. Yes, we got on each other's nerves, we drank too much, and slept too little. But we also had a blast at a local bar. We met the most interesting people. We went dirty dancing, we twirled and two-stepped. We raced three-wheelers through wide open fields, we sang patriotic songs, we rode horses to places so beautiful, and saw views so majestic it would make even me cry (it did). We saw a part of the country that people rarely get to see. It was magnificent. We are lucky, I'm owning that. We have a beautiful country. We are blessed. We were all happy we didn't have asthma.

I love it because it is such a great reminder of the serious editing that goes on here and that we only see a tiny fragment of what actually happens with these women. Which isn't their fault. 

[Mindthinkr]

1 minute ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I agree with you about seeing them do different things than just sit down to meals that usually end up with someone screaming at someone else. The thing is, I do think they do a lot of other things, but we don't see it because there isn't enough drama. We know they do a lot of other things because the HW's have lamented the fun stuff that we never get to see. Below is the blog post that Carole wrote after the Montana trip, which was a shit storm. There was so much that we didn't see. Who among us wouldn't have loved to have seen these gals dirty dancing with locals at a bar? Sign me up for this, and probably all the other stuff that got cut out of this, and other episodes, especially the vacations:

"We had a better time than you all saw. The show always focuses on drama. Yes, we got on each other's nerves, we drank too much, and slept too little. But we also had a blast at a local bar. We met the most interesting people. We went dirty dancing, we twirled and two-stepped. We raced three-wheelers through wide open fields, we sang patriotic songs, we rode horses to places so beautiful, and saw views so majestic it would make even me cry (it did). We saw a part of the country that people rarely get to see. It was magnificent. We are lucky, I'm owning that. We have a beautiful country. We are blessed. We were all happy we didn't have asthma.

I love it because it is such a great reminder of the serious editing that goes on here and that we only see a tiny fragment of what actually happens with these women. Which isn't their fault. 

Thank you. Guess we are in for another season of scripted (and on the fly) drama, back stabbing, bad table manners and the wedding with the hurt feelings that ensue. 

[IKnowRight]

14 hours ago, Mojoker said:

Yes, she was making a valid point using hyperbole. Her comment had nothing to do with her daughter giving it up to anyone; it wasn't meant to be taken literally. Her exact words were: "If I wake up on Wednesday morning and he is the president, I'm going to say to Hannah, 'Go strip right now. Be done with it all, take your brain out of your head, find a misogynist pig, and go strip, 'cause you, too, can be in the White House." Her point was that her daughter could behave in any disgusting manner, be any kind of degenerate, and still become president. Whether you agree with the spirit of the comment or not, there was nothing irrational about it.

I understand she was using hyperbole, that's the point I was making, be it sloppy...I don't need hyperbole explained to me...

Dorinda was being flip and in my opinion, she was all worked up, and that sounded irrational to me because I truly believe that she believes what she was saying even though she was being sarcastic.  If Ramona was talking to Carole and using hyperbole about what would happen with Bill Clinton being back there in the WH, and sarcastically discussing how she would need to hide Avery, because God forbid Avery or her sorority sisters are assigned to aid the First Husband, Carole would be offended.  She wouldn't like that joke at all.  She likely would have had another talking head about how she can talk to Dorinda because she's so informed but just can't with Ramona and also bash Ramona for reading fake news. She doesn't open her mind to someone who doesn't agree with her on politics.  IMHO it's irrational for Dorinda to joke about something like that just because she thought it was so outrageous for Clinton to lose to someone like Trump.  It's Dorinda's right to say and think anything and feel anything but in comparison, that's ok, but when Ramona is asked about it and she mentions news articles and emails, Carole immediately became defensive.  It's also my right to label her as bring irrational on the subject.

Even Bethenny, her BFF on the show is telling Carole to ease up and calm it down.  Bethenny has now mentioned this multiple times.  And yes, Bethenny has a mean streak, but that doesn't mean she is wrong with her assessment on Carol's election fever.  Carole can be an exclusive mean girl, we have seen it before, mainly towards Aviva. Ramona was also acting strange that night towards Bethenny.  I do think she was trying to warn her but at the same time, she seem unglued at that dinner.

1 hour ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Thanks for this reminder. I had forgotten Dorinda's close ties to the Clinton's. This was probably really personal to her. 

Exactly what I saw, Dorinda was taking this personally, that was obvious to me.

[AndySmith]

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We were all happy we didn't have asthma

And this is why a part of my heart will always belong to Carol...

[Chit Chat]

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If Ramona was talking to Carole and using hyperbole about what would happen with Bill Clinton being back there in the WH, and sarcastically discussing how she would need to hide Avery, because God forbid Avery or her sorority sisters are assigned to aid the First Husband, Carole would be offended.  She wouldn't like that joke at all.

This, a thousand times.  Carole only wants to hear the opinion that she has deemed is the right one.  I hate talking to people like that.  

Carole's blog about Montana was nice.  It's too bad we didn't get to see more of the good times they had.  It doesn't always have to be about the drama.  I'm hoping that Tinsley will be more easily accepted by the group.  It's always a tough first season for the newbies, and that kind of storyline gets old in a hurry.   The ones who will shun her will be her best friend the next season.  Air kisses and hugs!  Go figure.

[IKnowRight]

7 hours ago, Lemons said:

I know, right?  I thought we were all judging, that's what's so fun,  being judgy about people you never have to have a real conversation with. 

I mentioned not judging a few posts back,  but I didn't explain my point very well.  My apologies if I offended anyone.

 If we couldn't snark on here, then what's the point?!  I like snark.  I meant to just point out that sometimes I agree that we sometimes misjudge these people based on our own bias not on what is actually happening on the screen.  Be it, very edited and crafted by producers to look one way even if that's not what happened in real time. 

I think we are all entitled to our humble opinions, judge away!!

[IKnowRight]

16 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

This, a thousand times.  Carole only wants to hear the opinion that she has deemed is the right one.  I hate talking to people like that.  

 

That's why I am not thrilled at all that we will see too much reality with regards to the election this episode, last episode and the next...We will have to once again experience real life chaos instead of manufactured or silly housewife chaos.  I could feel the anxiety coming through the screen watching Ramona & Carole argue and Dorinda and Carole working themselves up.  It was a very negative experience and it's coming back into our living rooms.  Whether we agree with these ladies or not, it was a divisive real life experience.  We the viewers have passively watched these people fight about superficial issues like horrible revolving boyfriends, competing products, stealing dresses and such frivolity over the years, not much that intersects with our real lives.  This is different, it drags us into their squabbles.  Once was enough.  

Thanks Carole.

[motorcitymom65]

5 minutes ago, IKnowRight said:

That's why I am not thrilled at all that we will see too much reality with regards to the election this episode, last episode and the next...We will have to once again experience real life chaos instead of manufactured or silly housewife chaos.  I could feel the anxiety coming through the screen watching Ramona & Carole argue and Dorinda and Carole working themselves up.  It was a very negative experience and it's coming back into our living rooms.  Whether we agree with these ladies or not, it was a divisive real life experience.  We the viewers have passively watched these people fight about superficial issues like horrible revolving boyfriends, competing products, stealing dresses and such frivolity over the years, not much that intersects with our real lives.  This is different, it drags us into their squabbles.  Once was enough.  

Thanks Carole.

But it always happens - that some get anxiety about whatever is going on. The topic of eating disorders impacted some deeply last season. It was so boring I almost stopped reading. There were pages detailing different experiences, emotions, and judgements. People became very passionate and in some cases deeply invested in the drama. The Kim storyline has always done the same over on the BH forum, and the cancer one over on the OC thread. These gals have always had differing opinions about literally everything. Most of them have something they won't give an inch on, while being more laid back and less judgmental about something else. In real life many people are like that. I believe I am right about some things and no one will change my mind about those things. Ever. On other things I have an opinion about I can be more open minded. I can completely close my mind to differing political ideology because that is my thing. At the same time I am agnostic and not a big fan of organized religion, but am completely open minded in talking about it and fascinated by it. Probably because I just don't really care but still find the fact that others do so interesting and I want to know everything about why they feel how they do. I think most people are like this to a degree. 

1 hour ago, AndySmith said:

And this is why a part of my heart will always belong to Carol...

Yep, one of the many reasons I will never quit her. 

[Martinigirl]

1 hour ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I agree with you about seeing them do different things than just sit down to meals that usually end up with someone screaming at someone else. The thing is, I do think they do a lot of other things, but we don't see it because there isn't enough drama. We know they do a lot of other things because the HW's have lamented the fun stuff that we never get to see. Below is the blog post that Carole wrote after the Montana trip, which was a shit storm. There was so much that we didn't see. Who among us wouldn't have loved to have seen these gals dirty dancing with locals at a bar? Sign me up for this, and probably all the other stuff that got cut out of this, and other episodes, especially the vacations:

"We had a better time than you all saw. The show always focuses on drama. Yes, we got on each other's nerves, we drank too much, and slept too little. But we also had a blast at a local bar. We met the most interesting people. We went dirty dancing, we twirled and two-stepped. We raced three-wheelers through wide open fields, we sang patriotic songs, we rode horses to places so beautiful, and saw views so majestic it would make even me cry (it did). We saw a part of the country that people rarely get to see. It was magnificent. We are lucky, I'm owning that. We have a beautiful country. We are blessed. We were all happy we didn't have asthma.

I love it because it is such a great reminder of the serious editing that goes on here and that we only see a tiny fragment of what actually happens with these women. Which isn't their fault. 

The editing thing is off to me. Carol is all depressed three days before the election? Hillary was pretty much doing a victory dance three days before the results. I also wonder what Carol's original tag line was? That was certainly changed and dubbed in. 

[Ellee]

I've must have missed this in the episode but T. Kyle didn't.  For as much as this young man has made me giggle....I have to post it.  Have to.  Don't know what was being discussed here. 

 

[motorcitymom65]

16 minutes ago, Martinigirl said:

The editing thing is off to me. Carol is all depressed three days before the election? Hillary was pretty much doing a victory dance three days before the results. I also wonder what Carol's original tag line was? That was certainly changed and dubbed in. 

Publicly they were doing a victory dance, in private there was wide spread and total panic, which I am sure Carole knew. Three days before the election people who were paying close attention were becoming concerned.  I live in Michigan and thought everyone nuts that last week for saying that HRC was in trouble because my very closed mind simply couldn't conceive of it, but I was getting freaked out by what people in the know were saying. Micheal Moore was all over the media the week before the election screaming to anyone who would listen that this whole thing was about to go up in flames in a historic manner. And Carole listens intently to what Micheal Moore says. He was furious and kept saying Pennsylvania and Michigan were in play and not enough was being done to address it. There is zero chance that Carole wasn't freaked out, even though she was remaining confident because she simply could not imagine a world where the thing she saw as unthinkable was thinkable. Just the way many others were. Bravado and false hope all the way around. 

Edited April 22, 2017 by motorcitymom65

[Mojoker]

1 hour ago, IKnowRight said:

I understand she was using hyperbole, that's the point I was making, be it sloppy...I don't need hyperbole explained to me...

Dorinda was being flip and in my opinion, she was all worked up, and that sounded irrational to me because I truly believe that she believes what she was saying even though she was being sarcastic.  If Ramona was talking to Carole and using hyperbole about what would happen with Bill Clinton being back there in the WH, and sarcastically discussing how she would need to hide Avery, because God forbid Avery or her sorority sisters are assigned to aid the First Husband, Carole would be offended.  She wouldn't like that joke at all.  She likely would have had another talking head about how she can talk to Dorinda because she's so informed but just can't with Ramona and also bash Ramona for reading fake news. She doesn't open her mind to someone who doesn't agree with her on politics.  IMHO it's irrational for Dorinda to joke about something like that just because she thought it was so outrageous for Clinton to lose to someone like Trump.  It's Dorinda's right to say and think anything and feel anything but in comparison, that's ok, but when Ramona is asked about it and she mentions news articles and emails, Carole immediately became defensive.  It's also my right to label her as bring irrational on the subject.

Even Bethenny, her BFF on the show is telling Carole to ease up and calm it down.  Bethenny has now mentioned this multiple times.  And yes, Bethenny has a mean streak, but that doesn't mean she is wrong with her assessment on Carol's election fever.  Carole can be an exclusive mean girl, we have seen it before, mainly towards Aviva. Ramona was also acting strange that night towards Bethenny.  I do think she was trying to warn her but at the same time, she seem unglued at that dinner.

Exactly what I saw, Dorinda was taking this personally, that was obvious to me.

If you really believe that Dorinda literally wants her daughter to scoop out her brain, marry a misogynist, and be a stripper, then, yes, I guess her comment would seem irrational. And I don't think that Carole defending her professional reputation against a person so desperate to be a talking point on this show that she not only made ridiculous and baseless claims she knew would garner media attention, she also took off her prosthetic leg and threw it across a crowded, upscale restaurant really pegs Carole as an exclusive mean girl. If Aviva had tried that shit with me, they'd still be trying to extract that prosthetic leg from her jacksy.

[Mojoker]

3 hours ago, Mindthinkr said:

I had also forgotten that backstory re: Richard and Dorinda. You'd think that this would have given her a big thing in common with Carole to discuss, giving them a reason to be become closer friends. Everyone is chatting about how Carole has the potential to be OTT this season with all of her election speak. I wouldn't mind seeing Carole and Dorinda becoming closer now that it appears that Bethenny is loosing patience with Carole. Out of this blossoming friendship I would also like them to discover other things that they have in common to get us out of the ruts that are being formed in the road called housewife street! 

It's funny how so many people seem to think that Bethenny and Carole aren't good friends anymore. They actually seem to be doing just fine IRL.

http://www.bravotv.com/the-daily-dish/carole-radziwill-gives-update-on-friendship-with-bethenny-frankel-video

[Mojoker]

3 hours ago, Mindthinkr said:

I had also forgotten that backstory re: Richard and Dorinda. You'd think that this would have given her a big thing in common with Carole to discuss, giving them a reason to be become closer friends. Everyone is chatting about how Carole has the potential to be OTT this season with all of her election speak. I wouldn't mind seeing Carole and Dorinda becoming closer now that it appears that Bethenny is loosing patience with Carole. Out of this blossoming friendship I would also like them to discover other things that they have in common to get us out of the ruts that are being formed in the road called housewife street! 

I think Carole and Dorinda are still good friends IRL.

http://www.bravotv.com/the-daily-dish/carole-radziwill-rift-with-dorinda-medley-details

[SweetieDarling]

1 hour ago, IKnowRight said:

That's why I am not thrilled at all that we will see too much reality with regards to the election this episode, last episode and the next...We will have to once again experience real life chaos instead of manufactured or silly housewife chaos.  I could feel the anxiety coming through the screen watching Ramona & Carole argue and Dorinda and Carole working themselves up.  It was a very negative experience and it's coming back into our living rooms.  Whether we agree with these ladies or not, it was a divisive real life experience.  We the viewers have passively watched these people fight about superficial issues like horrible revolving boyfriends, competing products, stealing dresses and such frivolity over the years, not much that intersects with our real lives.  This is different, it drags us into their squabbles.  Once was enough.  

Thanks Carole.

with any luck, the editors will cut the more annoying stuff?  I know it's a long shot, as Andy loves him some controversy, but, sometimes the editors seem to like us.  Plus, can they really afford to piss off and lose any more viewers?  Maybe it would help to tune out what they're saying and watch what fools they make of themselves in how they're saying it?

[Martinigirl]

I still question the editing. I wish I could go go back and read her tweets on the three days prior to the election.  

[TheMole]

18 hours ago, Lemons said:

You forgot to mention the accomplishment of a hostess too.  My point is that neither were satisfied with their respectable trades and both wanted to be rich. And it's doubtful that Luanne brought much money into their marriage. Did she continue her work as a TV hostess?  Probably not as soon as she snagged a wealthy man.

Sonja allegedly once told a school friend she would never learn how to balance a checkbook because she she would make sure she never had to...the implication being she would marry into wealth.

 

She got fired from her hostess job at San Pietro after an article was written about her and how well she knew the male clientele.

Edited April 22, 2017 by TheMole

[Vanderboom]

For me, the Carole irritation factor lies in her insistence that her resume makes her opinion the only one worth listening to. Granted, I'd trust her political analysis over Ramona "Who's Going Low?" Singer's, but the smug superiority and stereotypes about the opposing viewpoint grates.

I still have mixed feelings about the Bethenny confrontation. I was on board for her sarcasm when Ramona concern-trolled her, but I thought she overreacted to Luann and Ramona's side conversation. You don't need to pounce on EVERY provocation.

Sonja needs more outside interests. She's not equipped to shit-talk Dorinda. Whatever happened to her fashion line and party planning businesses? I did laugh at her Dior granny bloomers. What's the point of high end clothes if they look terrible?

[jumper sage]

9 minutes ago, Martinigirl said:

I still question the editing. I wish I could go go back and read her tweets on the three days prior to the election.  

You can go to twitter and see her tweets.  She tweets a lot!  I finally googled: Carole Radziwill twitter November 2016 and voila!  Put in any month you want and pick from the google list.

Edited April 22, 2017 by jumper sage

[TheMole]

Just now, Vanderboom said:

Sonja needs more outside interests. She's not equipped to shit-talk Dorinda. Whatever happened to her fashion line and party planning businesses? I did laugh at her Dior granny bloomers. What's the point of high end clothes if they look terrible?

She still claims they are part of her businesses but when was the last time she did anything? She has the alcohol and the clothing. She's out of the restaurant.

[IKnowRight]

32 minutes ago, Mojoker said:

If you really believe that Dorinda literally wants her daughter to scoop out her brain, marry a misogynist, and be a stripper, then, yes, I guess her comment would seem irrational. And I don't think that Carole defending her professional reputation against a person so desperate to be a talking point on this show that she not only made ridiculous and baseless claims she knew would garner media attention, she also took off her prosthetic leg and threw it across a crowded, upscale restaurant really pegs Carole as an exclusive mean girl. If Aviva had tried that shit with me, they'd still be trying to extract that prosthetic leg from her jacksy.

No, not literally, but to have conjured up that thought in her brain to joke about was ridiculous IMO.  No, I don't think she wants Hannah to do that, but then stop getting all worked up over something that is not going to really happen.  Dorinda gets nutty and goes on a rant every now and then and IMO this was yet another example.

Looks like she's going to behave the same way with Sonja next...

I actually like Dorinda, I think she can be fun and reasonable at times, but often she becomes unglued.

yes, Aviva was ridiculous, but that doesn't absolve Carole of any of her nasty behavior.  Carole can be so cool, and really funny, just like Dorinda, but again IMO sometimes is a snotty bitch.

[TheMole]

9 minutes ago, Martinigirl said:

I still question the editing. I wish I could go go back and read her tweets on the three days prior to the election.  

You should question it. It was quite near the election but not 3 days. In the first episode they had scenes that were filmed on the first week of shooting and a scene or two shot in 2017.

[IKnowRight]

1 hour ago, motorcitymom65 said:

But it always happens - that some get anxiety about whatever is going on. The topic of eating disorders impacted some deeply last season. It was so boring I almost stopped reading. There were pages detailing different experiences, emotions, and judgements. People became very passionate and in some cases deeply invested in the drama. The Kim storyline has always done the same over on the BH forum, and the cancer one over on the OC thread. These gals have always had differing opinions about literally everything. Most of them have something they won't give an inch on, while being more laid back and less judgmental about something else. In real life many people are like that. I believe I am right about some things and no one will change my mind about those things. Ever. On other things I have an opinion about I can be more open minded. I can completely close my mind to differing political ideology because that is my thing. At the same time I am agnostic and not a big fan of organized religion, but am completely open minded in talking about it and fascinated by it. Probably because I just don't really care but still find the fact that others do so interesting and I want to know everything about why they feel how they do. I think most people are like this to a degree. 

 

That's true, you are right, MCM, there have been other topics that have touched us posters/viewers personally.

 For me, this speaks to what our personal preferences are as to what we see on these shows.  I'm more of the old school housewives style of just being an observer behind the gates...House and travel porn, hijinks, the more fun side vs. picking teams, constantly arguing and getting into real stuff.  This is why I like watching them doing silly things.  Life gets too deep, and I don't want to take on their dark issues, just the fun stuff.  Bring on more Frederick selling their posh pads and Hampton retreats, it's why I don't mind Bethenny's snark.  I just want to be entertained.