S09.E02: It Girl, Interrupted

[TheNewJanBrady]

Guess I'm the only Asian here--it's normal in Asian cultures to take shoes off at the door. Keeps the floors cleaner. Plus I live in NYC and am walking all day, on sidewalks and roads where feces (human and animal), garbage, etc. has definitely touched down. No way I'm walking on that all day and then walking those shoes around my clean house. (I don't ask guests to take theirs off.)

Unrelated: Interview with Carole today that touches on the show a bit:

http://nymag.com/strategist/article/7-products-carole-radziwill-loves.html?mid=facebook_vulture

Edited April 16, 2017 by TheNewJanBrady

[KungFuBunny]

Sonja never uses her inside voice when screeching into the Intercom. This is because, like all other electrical devices she owns, they don’t work. So when someone is outside ringing the buzzer, she screams so that the Not Pickles intern can hear her and so that the person standing outside hears her voice from the open window.

Chocolate Not Pickles, at your earliest convenience!!!....

Does she make her own zzzzzzz sound when she turns on the vibrator?

[motorcitymom65]

57 minutes ago, IKnowRight said:

Do you really want to see actual policy debates on the real housewives shows?  I watch Bravo to escape reality, and I sure as heck don't give a damn what any of these ladies think about politics, or what luxury car gets the best gas mileage or which grocery store carries the finest organic goji berry supplements in Manhattan.  Aviva was annoying enough with her preachy anti Diet Coke, you will die if you drink that, persona, in one of her first appearances on this show.  It's about as much fun as a wet blanket.  There's a time and a place but in the last decade or so, social decorum has gone the way of the Dodo bird because of social media and lack of boundaries day to day.

I don't give a flying fig if Carole is more in tune than Ramona on the election.  She brought it up at least twice now and Bethenny and Ramona told her to drop it.  What's next, a debate on religion?  Should the next episode be a debate on the best affordable health care design?  Bravo and HGTV keeps me sane after reading and watching the news the majority of the time. 

We all know that Carole thinks highly of herself and now she's proving it once and for all, that she's a sanctimonious b@tch to seal the deal.  Yes, we know, Carole smart, Ramona dumb.  

I completely get your POV. And no, I don't necessarily want to see policy debates. What I want to see on a Reality TV show is their reality. The actual stuff they are doing and care about. Like it was when the shows first started. Now it seems like they carefully craft a narrative and a "storyline". Like they all start the season by saying "let's see, what can I make my persona about this year". If they are passionate about something and care about it, I like to see that on the show. They have brought us some really heavy stuff - heavier in my opinion than politics. Eating disorders, infidelity, etc. None of that is pleasant to me either, but that is what is going on. I hate it when they want to hide that stuff. I like Beth, but was hard on her a couple of seasons ago when she acted like she was alone, when we knew she had a serious boyfriend on the side that she was running away from filming to join for dinner and vacations. The conversation like the one between Carole and Ramona were happening everywhere. It is very real. Carole thinks she is more informed than Ramona. My only point was that Carole could have easily proven Ramona to be a liar face if she wanted to, but she didn't. Or Ramona could have proven herself to be a Political Scholar. 

[IKnowRight]

8 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I completely get your POV. And no, I don't necessarily want to see policy debates. What I want to see on a Reality TV show is their reality. The actual stuff they are doing and care about. Like it was when the shows first started. Now it seems like they carefully craft a narrative and a "storyline". Like they all start the season by saying "let's see, what can I make my persona about this year". If they are passionate about something and care about it, I like to see that on the show. They have brought us some really heavy stuff - heavier in my opinion than politics. Eating disorders, infidelity, etc. None of that is pleasant to me either, but that is what is going on. I hate it when they want to hide that stuff. I like Beth, but was hard on her a couple of seasons ago when she acted like she was alone, when we knew she had a serious boyfriend on the side that she was running away from filming to join for dinner and vacations. The conversation like the one between Carole and Ramona were happening everywhere. It is very real. Carole thinks she is more informed than Ramona. My only point was that Carole could have easily proven Ramona to be a liar face if she wanted to, but she didn't. Or Ramona could have proven herself to be a Political Scholar. 

Great points MCM.  You are right, they do talk about lots of things we don't want to hear!

I just can't take any more politics...and I don't care about carefully crafted storylines either...I want some fun and cattiness, gossip, house and travel porn, and shopping trips. When they go in too deep, you are going to aggravate and alienate people.  Just like when they get hit too hard and mean, it's not fun to watch. 

I agree, the first seasons were so much more genuine and real life-ish.  Season 1 of NY & OC were good.

[Chit Chat]

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Or Ramona could have proven herself to be a Political Scholar. 

Ramona doesn't have to prove anything to Carole.   Ramona knows what she knows, and has formed her opinions based on her own experiences (which she never said who she was voting for, but merely said something about the emails, but was quickly shut down.)   Ramona showed just how obnoxious Carole was being by walking away.  No need to engage in that conversation. I would've done the same.  I don't have to explain to anybody why I believe and do things the way I do.  Doesn't make me right or wrong,  and I don't need somebody to stand there and beat me over the head and tell me why they think I'm wrong.  I had a friend ask me a few days ago if I liked oysters.  I said no.  She continued to prattle on about how I should cook them and eat them, because she was positive I would like them.  I stood there thinking, STFU.  I hate oysters.  I'm not going to eat oysters.  Why do you care if I don't like oysters?  Why do I have to explain why I don't like oysters?    Point?  Oysters, like politics, is a personal preference.  No need to force one's opinion about either on somebody else.  ;)

Carole was too concerned about everybody else's political views.  She should just worry about herself, and let the chips fall where they may.  Did she hold any rallies for her candidate?  I honestly don't know, but that would've been the ideal venue for her to espouse her expert opinions, not on unsuspecting friends at tea parties.

[SunnyBeBe]

I got the impression that Bethenny wanted Sonja to remove her shoes so that she wouldn't hurt the puppies with a sharp heel.  That was my take on it.  I normally dislike it if someone asked me to remove my shoes in their home.  It doesn't happen often, but, it turns me off.  Not sure why. I think the germ aspect is a valid concern, but,  I don't live in NYC.    To me, small puppies should be put in a crate or otherwise kept secure from house guests, if you have invited them over.  I adore pets, but, I don't always want a teething puppy grabbing my ankles, clawing my clothes, etc.  It's best to keep them at bay and offer the guest the chance to view and pet them later in the visit.  It looks like Bethenny's puppies were kept behind a gate, but, right in the front door area Odd.

[AndySmith]

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Does she make her own zzzzzzz sound when she turns on the vibrator?

Oh, c'mon. If there is one electrical appliance Sonja has working properly in her home, its that.

[ScoobieDoobs]

OK, so Moaner, you ask a woman you just met, 2 seconds after you've met her, if she regrets not having children with her ex-husband?  Typical Moaner.

Tinsley's hair looks very, very Baby Jane.  She is really reminding me of Kelly.  Remember how Kells was always bouncing around like in her head it was 1992 & she was still some hot 20-something model?  I'm gettin' the same vibe on Tinsley.  She was bouncing around Madison Avenue like it was 2002 & she's doing her best imitation of Carrie Bradshaw & she's on the scene of the high society types.  Hoo boy.  As deluded as Sonja was & still is, Tinsley is even more deluded, if that's possible.  What is it with this show & deluded, misplaced middle-aged women?  Satan Andy & his minion producers (and maybe Bethenny too) seem to take great pleasure in mocking them.  Ugh.

Btw, did anyone else think Tinsley's eyebrows look exactly the same as they did in her mugshot -- despite her protests about how crazy they looked?  They still look pretty crazy, hun.  Between the eyebrows & the hair & her spacey, bewildered demeanor, she acts like she just got out of a loony bin -- or a nutsy '70's Carol Burnett sketch.

Idk, we're getting glimmers, albeit tiny, tiny, tiny glimmers of the old Bethenny from earlier seasons.  No more wah-wah-ing & no more divorce whining or Jason jabs.  And to my shock & total surprise -- some very slight & short moments of humor.  But then of course she kills it with stale hooker jokes & ridiculous babble about her deigning to make other women moguls -- by casually giving away her used throwaway shoes.  Oh, how generous & thoughtful of you, Bethenny.  Rolling eyes hard & choking back vomit on that one.

Edited April 17, 2017 by ScoobieDoobs

[KungFuBunny]

40 minutes ago, AndySmith said:

Oh, c'mon. If there is one electrical appliance Sonja has working properly in her home, its that.

I don’t know about that.

I see her dumpster diving at the local hardware store, Staples, Home Depot – looking for toss out items that have expired.

So her vibrators work like the morse code…zzz stop z stop z z stop zzz…dead.

Even Sonja’s Sharpies – I picture her spitting at the tip to see if she can get one drop of grey color out of them.

Sonja told Tinsley don’t use the elevator unless I’m home – otherwise I can’t get you out if you get stuck.

Her elevator is actually a modified Dumb Waiter. She’ll shove Tinsley in it and manually pull the rope.

When they showed Tinsley’s mugshot – I thought of Dina Lohan

[motorcitymom65]

2 hours ago, ChitChat said:

Ramona doesn't have to prove anything to Carole.   Ramona knows what she knows, and has formed her opinions based on her own experiences (which she never said who she was voting for, but merely said something about the emails, but was quickly shut down.)   Ramona showed just how obnoxious Carole was being by walking away.  No need to engage in that conversation. I would've done the same.  I don't have to explain to anybody why I believe and do things the way I do.  Doesn't make me right or wrong,  and I don't need somebody to stand there and beat me over the head and tell me why they think I'm wrong.  I had a friend ask me a few days ago if I liked oysters.  I said no.  She continued to prattle on about how I should cook them and eat them, because she was positive I would like them.  I stood there thinking, STFU.  I hate oysters.  I'm not going to eat oysters.  Why do you care if I don't like oysters?  Why do I have to explain why I don't like oysters?    Point?  Oysters, like politics, is a personal preference.  No need to force one's opinion about either on somebody else.  ;)

Carole was too concerned about everybody else's political views.  She should just worry about herself, and let the chips fall where they may.  Did she hold any rallies for her candidate?  I honestly don't know, but that would've been the ideal venue for her to espouse her expert opinions, not on unsuspecting friends at tea parties.

Well of course Ramona doesn't have to explain herself. Lu doesn't have to explain her relationship, but she engages. Beth doesn't have to explain why she called Lu a whore, but she tried.  Carole doesn't have to explain to Beth why she talks all the time about the election, but she made an attempt. Nobody has to 'splain nothing to nobody. But they do and for the most part, the show would be really boring if folks just said shit and there wasn't a discussion about what or why they said what they did and the reactions of the others.  What would we be watching then? 

Edited April 16, 2017 by motorcitymom65

[film noire]

3 hours ago, ChitChat said:

Ramona doesn't have to prove anything to Carole.    

I think she does have to prove something - we all do, if we want to be taken seriously on a topic we claim to be well informed about - it's how we separate village idiots and hucksters from the rest of the world.  And since Ramona turned the talk to a specific political event (Carole didn't bring up the emails, The Howler Monkey did) if Singer wants to be treated as someone who is conversant on politics, it's on Ramona to back up her new Amanpour -like status. ("From Tom's dick to Trump's hairy, Singer has the story!")  It's no different than when a housewife brags about her home, wealth, marriage, and social status; sooner or later, the cards hit the table and the empty braggarts are revealed.

From her cagey behavior in this episode, I think it's pretty clear Ramona knows she isn't as well informed as Carole. It's why (at the garden party) she tried to escape her blowharding by retreating into the stance bullshitters always adopt -- refusing to settle an issue by showing their hand -- all she had to do was tell Carol she'd read article X and Think Piece Y about the emails, and bam! she's the winner. Unless she's been reading fake news and Alex Jones, it's a done deal.  Ramona Singer loves to be right - she lives for it -- and yet she decided to not prove she was right in this very public situation; funny, that.

Edited April 16, 2017 by film noire

[KungFuBunny]

3 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I got the impression that Bethenny wanted Sonja to remove her shoes so that she wouldn't hurt the puppies with a sharp heel.  That was my take on it.  I normally dislike it if someone asked me to remove my shoes in their home.  It doesn't happen often, but, it turns me off.  Not sure why. I think the germ aspect is a valid concern, but,  I don't live in NYC.    To me, small puppies should be put in a crate or otherwise kept secure from house guests, if you have invited them over.  I adore pets, but, I don't always want a teething puppy grabbing my ankles, clawing my clothes, etc.  It's best to keep them at bay and offer the guest the chance to view and pet them later in the visit.  It looks like Bethenny's puppies were kept behind a gate, but, right in the front door area Odd.

Ramona (I LOVE HER!!!) walks like Mrs. Whiggins – even barefoot.

We know how traumatized Bethenny is by scuff marks – so I would imagine she asked Ramona the klutz to take off her shoes so she didn’t clomp around her digs leaving black marks on her hardwood floors.

The dogs were all put there in the hallway on purpose by Bethenny. She knew the cameras were filming in her home that day and she wanted to show them off.

Crazy Noodle says babies and puppies are resilient…who knew?

[Chit Chat]

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From her cagey behavior in this episode, I think it's pretty clear Ramona knows she isn't as well informed as Carole

Maybe it's as simple as not wanting to talk politics at a tea party.  That's not why Ramona was there.  In Bethenny's words, Carole was relentless with the political talk.  That's annoying.   Even if Ramona had cited news articles, etc. that helped form her opinion,  most likely Carole still would've been condescending and dismissive.  It's a no-win situation with people like Carole, no matter how many valid points you might have.  In Carole's case, I guess being able to "read between the lines" makes her a political savant.

 (Note to self:  Always carry a notebook with all of my sources for any and every subject that I might need to defend.)   ;) 

Edited April 16, 2017 by ChitChat

[Trooper York]

Ramona could cite chapter and verse to support her views and that would not matter. It would be dismissed out of hand. Just look at how she dismissed Aviva as someone who had never worked outside the home.  Aviva was talking about her experiences in producing a Housewife book trying to find common ground. Carole dismissed her out of hand and led a jihad against her from that point forward. Because only her experience is relevant. Only her position is correct.

She is the bore who pontificates about politics at every family gathering. You just have to go to the next room to avoid them. Does Bravo want the viewers to do that? Because going to the next room means changing the channel.

[ghoulina]

16 hours ago, lunastartron said:

Bethenny and Carole live in what are presently the most aspirational neighborhoods for real estate. They are considerably removed from the others - probably like 20 minutes in a taxi on a good day, up to 40 minutes or an hour in bottlenecks.

Carole occupies a shoebox but the West Village is quiet, clean, residential, and picturesque. There are boutiques and cafes as well as an occasional bar or two but the commerce doesn't overwhelm. Her real estate value has undoubtedly skyrocketed since she initially bought the property.

Bethenny lives in SoHo, which is far busier than WV in terms of shopping. The sidewalk situation is thus less convenient due to the high volume of pedestrian traffic but it's trendy, polished, and still relatively sanitized as far as urbanity goes. There are galleries and designer shops everywhere so it's basically the archetypal fantasy of the city.

Ramona, Dorinda, and Lu all basically live on the UES, which is the classical neighborhood for old money. But they all live east of the choicest streets. The area is good for kids, though, and where most of the best private schools in Manhattan are located. 

And where is Sonja?

[IKnowRight]

2 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

 

 

When they showed Tinsley’s mugshot – I thought of Dina Lohan

Yes, she does resemble Dina Lohan, good comparison KFB.

[IKnowRight]

23 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

And where is Sonja?

I could be wrong, but I thought someone said midtown before.  I've definitely walked by that block before and realized it was her place, but I'm only in NYC a few times a year to visit, I've never lived there permanently.

[film noire]

1 hour ago, ChitChat said:

Maybe it's as simple as not wanting to talk politics at a tea party. 

I don't think that's a possibility, given Ramona's behavior on this show. She's never shown a reluctance to talk about anything, in any circumstance, as long as it boosted her ego.  And this exchange with Carole would've done exactly that -- turned into a big win -- if Ramona actually WERE informed about politics. But she's dumber than dirt and a braggart to boot, so she did what she always does; skated onto thin ice while claiming she was pulling off a triple Salchow.

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In Bethenny's words, Carole was relentless with the political talk.  That's annoying. 

If Ramona was annoyed, she had no right to be.  She's been unrelenting in yammering on about topics nobody else wanted to hear -- if Karma finally bit her self aggrandizing ass, that's another thing she should become informed about.

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Even if Ramona had cited news articles, etc. that helped formed her opinion,  most likely Carole still would've been condescending and dismissive.

Only if the articles were clearly fake news, unsourced hacks, or crazy nutters like Alex Jones and Infowars. That leaves hundreds of articles written by conservatives, liberals and independents on the topic Ramona herself brought up (and backed away from)  the "emails" (as well as the election cycle overall).  

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 (Note to self:  Always carry a notebook with all of my sources for any and every subject that I might need to defend.)   ;) 

Heh!  -- me, I just tell people what I read & how it informed my opinion - super easy ; )

Edited April 16, 2017 by film noire

[lunastartron]

25 minutes ago, film noire said:

I don't think that's a possibility, given Ramona's behavior on this show. She's never shown a reluctance to talk about anything, in any circumstance, as long as it boosted her ego.  And this exchange with Carole would've done exactly that -- turned into a big win -- if Ramona actually WERE informed about politics. But she's dumber than dirt and a braggart to boot, so she did what she always does; skated onto thin ice while claiming she was pulling off a triple Salchow.

If Ramona was annoyed, she had no right to be.  She's been unrelenting in yammering on about topics nobody else wanted to hear -- if Karma finally bit her self aggrandizing ass, that's another thing she should become informed about.

Only if the articles were clearly fake news, unsourced hacks, or crazy nutters like Alex Jones and Infowars. That leaves hundreds of articles written by conservatives, liberals and independents on the topic Ramona herself brought up (and backed away from)  the "emails" (as well as the election cycle overall).  

Heh!  -- me, I just tell people what I read & how it informed my opinion - super easy ; )

When Carole sat down with an exasperated sigh for her luncheon with Aviva to discuss Leggy Blonde, she inquired about the background that could have prepared Aviva to write  the text (which, of course, wasn't exactly complex but literally a transcription of the life events that Aviva had experienced firsthand). Of course, a literature degree from Vassar and a JD, which entails extensive writing, were worthy of an eye roll. An essay that Aviva had published warranted a sneer of "that was a letter to your mother." 

I realize the parameters of Twitter aren't exactly conducive to in-depth discussions of political philosophy but "dumbass," "you seriously need help," and "stop reading Breitbart" aren't exactly suggestive of openness to an earnest back and forth about ideologies. Nor is Tweeting Ivanka Trump, "your dress is hideous and you and your hubby are clueless. Please tell your senile dad to resign."  

Other brilliant manifestos include "omg move on (from Hillary) its unhealthy"

"calling me Mean us (sic) the definition of dumbass"

"Who said anything about Hillary? You are obsessed with her. You can get help for it."

[KungFuBunny]

1 hour ago, IKnowRight said:

Yes, she does resemble Dina Lohan, good comparison KFB.

Here's the mugshot they showed

I don't know if you've ever heard of Cholafied

I'm gonna modify my thought to say she looks like Dina Lohan and she's been Spockified

[film noire]

10 hours ago, lunastartron said:

When Carole sat down with an exasperated sigh for her luncheon with Aviva (snip for space)

Ramona still gets the win regardless of how  Carole (or anyone else) reacts. If Ramona were truly informed about politics, she'd have no trouble saying "Hey, Princess Snot Nose, I read a couple of great articles about the emails,  written by Ms. Smarty Pants and Mr Big Thots,  I'll send you the links". And if --  in this alternate, spooky universe which has sprung up where Ramona Singer is a policy wonk (exactly when did the housewives move to the Overlook Hotel? -- oh look, the twins are dressed like Carole!*) if in this scary new world, Ramona still gets mocked by Radziwill, then Carole looks bad, not Ramona.

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I realize the parameters of Twitter aren't exactly conducive to in-depth discussions of political philosophy but "dumbass," "you seriously need help," and "stop reading Breitbart" aren't exactly suggestive of openness to an earnest back and forth about ideologies.

Just because Carole is an asshole doesn't mean Singer deserves to be believed, or taken at her own crazy-ass word. Ramona is neither self aware nor a reliable narrator -- this is the same demented loon of a creature who took a pregnancy test at fifty-six because OMG SONJA I MIGHT BE PREGGERS -- hardly a brain trust in action.

 

*"Is the salad ready, Adam?"

Edited April 17, 2017 by film noire

[film noire]

38 minutes ago, Agent99 said:

Ha! How did I forget about that?! Yes, the most likely explanation for being late when you're 56 is that you're pregnant. Ramona's such a loser.

I like Carole, dammit. She's somebody I could have fun with, even if she annoys me sometimes.

I'm not a fan of Carole's at all (sorry ; ) but (minus a late breaking development where Ramona Singer turns out to be a combo of Nellie Bly and friggin' Banksy) I can't deny Carole Radziwill knows more about politics than Ramona Singer. 

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Buffoons don't get elected President.

Sure they do.  Politics is made for buffoons : )  Fools enjoy all kinds of undeserved successes; high office, crowns, medals, awards.  Just look at the housewives alone - no further proof needed! ; )

Edited April 16, 2017 by film noire

[Petunia13]

I don't believe Ramona when she claimed to be covering a hickey. Unless it was from a vacuum cleaner. She sounded crazy at Bethennys apartment rambling and blurting pet acquisition announcement ediquette. She has the verbal skills of Screetch from Saved by the Bell.     

Bethenny was a bitch meeting Tinsley.  If you're too hot shit or above it all to meet the woman don't go to her "welcoming" party then do exactly the opposite. Also the constant comments about Luann's giant head. For 40 plus years you walked around with the jaw of a Glen Quagmire so people in misformed scull houses shouldn't throw stones. Btw Luann's head seems normal to me. 

Tinsley looks like a contestant on The Bachelor or tv host - she has a very safe attractiveness but kinda brittle features with fussy traditionally feminine grooming. 

[seasick]

7 hours ago, ScoobieDoobs said:

Idk, we're getting glimmers, albeit tiny, tiny, tiny glimmers of the old Bethenny from earlier seasons.  No more wah-wah-ing & no more divorce whining or Jason jabs.  And to my shock & total surprise -- some very slight & short moments of humor

I noticed that are TH's are a lot softer in tone this year. (at least in this episode I noticed it.)   There's a little sparkle in her eyes. My thoughts are that she's sitting across from an attractive male producer or whoever does that with them--she seems almost charming. It's odd.     (II said almost.. I'm not a fan.

[Chit Chat]

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Heh!  -- me, I just tell people what I read & how it informed my opinion - super easy ; )

One of my previous posts mentioned how we form opinions from years of experience and from reading books, newspapers, etc.  I can't tell you verbatim what I read a few years ago, or where I may have heard it, but I do remember the gist of it.  That was my point many posts ago when I said that Ramona knows what she knows, meaning, many of her ideas were probably formed from years of reading about both candidates.  They have both been in the news my entire adult life, so like Ramona and everybody else, I have formed my opinions based on that and not just current events.  I can tell you what I read about both of them clear back to the 1980's, but if you ask me to quote you chapter and verse the source, well, that's not going  to happen.  Hence, my joke about carrying a notebook with my sources! 

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I don't believe Ramona when she claimed to be covering a hickey.

Me either.  And honestly, I wish she'd grow up in this department!  Grown women can have hickeys, but most don't go around announcing it.  It's very juvenile.  I wonder if Bethenny will give Tinsley a chance.   Any newbie on a Housewives show usually has a tough first year.   I think Bethenny respects women more if they have worked and accomplished something, not been handed stuff.  I'm not saying that about Tinsley because I don't know anything about her, but I don't think Bethenny will appreciate the socialite aspect of her.  We'll see how it unfolds.

Edited April 17, 2017 by ChitChat

[Petunia13]

You make a good point. That may be why Bethenny was so frosty to Tinsley. I wish she and her bff Carole were more open minded. Last year they made much to do about how "la do dah" fun cool girls they were, but were the absolute most critical of the bunch! They couldn't go one episode without picking out others faults, nit picking, or getting butt hurt over others behavior. It was pretty clueless IMHO. 

[Lemons]

5 hours ago, ChitChat said:

   Even if Ramona had cited news articles, etc. that helped form her opinion,  most likely Carole still would've been condescending and dismissive.  It's a no-win situation with people like Carole, no matter how many valid points you might have.  In Carole's case, I guess being able to "read between the lines" makes her a political savant.

 

I would guess that Carole would enjoy talking to someone knowledgeable on the subject.  The fact that Ramona said "what about the emails?" would alert anyone who has kept up with in-depth reporting that the emails turned out to be nothing, so that was enough to know that Ramona was not up on the news and maybe saw little snippets on the news about "emails."   

I also don't find it hard to believe that Carol is better at dissecting the news than the "average" person based on her background and wouldn't be insulted in the least.  Let's be honest.  Most people, probably including Ramona, Bethany, Sonya and the others don't read detailed news articles from various sources.  They read "superficially."  

38 minutes ago, Petunia13 said:

I don't believe Ramona when she claimed to be covering a hickey. Unless it was from a vacuum cleaner. She sounded crazy at Bethennys apartment rambling and blurting pet acquisition announcement ediquette. She has the verbal skills of Screetch from Saved by the Bell.     

 

Poor Ramona is trying so hard to sound like she's desirable and on all these dates.  Imagine if Bethenny managed to take off the scarf only to show no hickey?

[film noire]

27 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

One of my previous posts mentioned how we form opinions from years of experience and from reading books, newspapers, etc. 

Ramona was talking about the emails, so she wasn't reaching back decades ago.

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I don't believe Ramona when she claimed to be covering a hickey. 

I know right? Vampires give hickeys, they don't get them ; )

[HunterHunted]

31 minutes ago, Petunia13 said:

I don't believe Ramona when she claimed to be covering a hickey. Unless it was from a vacuum cleaner. She sounded crazy at Bethennys apartment rambling and blurting pet acquisition announcement ediquette. She has the verbal skills of Screetch from Saved by the Bell.     

Bethenny was a bitch meeting Tinsley.  If you're too hot shit or above it all to meet the woman don't go to her "welcoming" party then do exactly the opposite. Also the constant comments about Luann's giant head. For 40 plus years you walked around with the jaw of a Glen Quagmire so people in misformed scull houses shouldn't throw stones. Btw Luann's head seems normal to me. 

Tinsley looks like a contestant on The Bachelor or tv host - she has a very safe attractiveness but kinda brittle features with fussy traditionally feminine grooming. 

Ramona is a toddler who has barest understanding of how adults behave. She's like the woman who wants to flash her engagement ring without having to tell everyone she's engaged. Ramona was tugging at her shirt to "cover" her hickey a.k.a. call attention to it. I think there was a hickey, but only because Ramona comes off like a 16 year old girl. I'm sure she talks about what bases she'll allow after a certain number of dates.

Bethenny was a complete bitch to Tinsley, but I suspect it was because during Tinsley's heyday Bethenny wasn't someone she'd give a second of her time. I don't think that Tinsley is a great fit for this show. She really was the type of socialite that Jill and LuAnn pretended to be in the earlier seasons. And I think after that High Society debacle she's not trying to come across as a messy disaster. 

LuAnn has big head. So does Oprah. Bethenny has a hatchet jaw.

[lunastartron]

2 hours ago, Lemons said:

I would guess that Carole would enjoy talking to someone knowledgeable on the subject.  The fact that Ramona said "what about the emails?" would alert anyone who has kept up with in-depth reporting that the emails turned out to be nothing, so that was enough to know that Ramona was not up on the news and maybe saw little snippets on the news about "emails."   

I also don't find it hard to believe that Carol is better at dissecting the news than the "average" person based on her background and wouldn't be insulted in the least.  Let's be honest.  Most people, probably including Ramona, Bethany, Sonya and the others don't read detailed news articles from various sources.  They read "superficially."  

Poor Ramona is trying so hard to sound like she's desirable and on all these dates.  Imagine if Bethenny managed to take off the scarf only to show no hickey?

Ramona said that it would be interesting to see what happens with the emails in the aftermath of the initial Comey announcement. What was going to occur in the future with respect to that particular item of news and/or If it would have an impact electorally is different from the question of whether or not the overarching issue amounted to "nothing." So I don't see how Ramona offering up a pretty benign and neutral/noncomittal comment reflects how educated she was on the matter.

Carole has condescended to and demeaned the professional/lifestyle choices of the other women in disputes that had little to do with either ("you're nothing, you've never worked outside the home"), their physical characteristics ("I heard two men ... one was LuAnn"), and their conduct that has been identical in certain respects to hers ("I didn't know if she was dating him or adopting him"). 

She shits on people almost automatically in many capacities. 

It's not surprising she's denigrating the intellectual capability of an adult woman to offer a perspective with some value on the election. 

3 hours ago, film noire said:

Ramona still gets the win regardless of how  Carole (or anyone else) reacts. If Ramona were truly informed about politics, she'd have no trouble saying "Hey, Princess Snot Nose, I read a couple of great articles about the emails,  written by Ms. Smarty Pants and Mr Big Thots,  I'll send you the links". And  --  in this alternate, spooky universe which has sprung up where Ramona Singer is a policy wonk (exactly when did the housewives move to the Overlook Hotel? -- oh look, the twins are dressed like Carole!) if Ramona still gets mocked by Radziwill, then she looks bad, not Ramona.

Just because Carole is an asshole doesn't mean Singer deserves to be believed, or taken at her own crazy-ass word. Ramona is neither self aware nor a reliable narrator -- this is the same demented loon of a creature who took a pregnancy test at fifty-six because OMG SONJA I MIGHT BE PREGGERS -- hardly a brain trust in action.

*Shrug* And Carole is still the idiot who assaulted a coworker in her own home and, more saliently, couldn't determine if she herself was part of the one percent and tripped over herself with her head up her ass to declare that "anyone past the third grade" knows not to use the term "Indian." 

Ramona may not be Mark Halperin but the bat is demonstrably set pretty low for being as informed as Carole. 

Also, the point about Leggy Blonde and Aviva was that, as the discourse here originated between you and ChitChat, Carole would still have been disrespectful and dismissive. Not whether Ramona would have pulled out "the win." 

Edited April 17, 2017 by lunastartron

[sasha206]

2 hours ago, ChitChat said:

Me either.  And honestly, I wish she'd grow up in this department!  Grown women can have hickeys, but most don't go around announcing it.  It's very juvenile.  I wonder if Bethenny will give Tinsley a chance. 

I wish Ramona could see that instead of coming off like someone who really is enjoying the single life, she comes off as someone who is desperately trying to show Mario what he's missing.  

I mean, I'm actually feeling sorry for this woman!

[sasha206]

6 minutes ago, lunastartron said:

Carole has condescended to and demeaned the professional/lifestyle choices of the other women in disputes that had little to do with either ("you're nothing, you've never worked outside the home"), their physical characteristics ("I heard two men ... one was LuAnn"), and their conduct that has been identical in certain respects to hers ("I didn't know if she was dating him or adopting him"). 

I forgot about the "dating him or adopting him" comment.  How rich!  I remember the "men don't even get interesting until they reach X age" (50?)  I guess Adam is either a very old soul or dull as fuck.

I miss the Carole and Heather scenes.  That's when Carole was her most likable.  That's when I thought she could be someone fun to hang around. And she's certainly led an interesting life.  But the condescension and the "I'm a serious journalist" banner she waves while mucking it up with the rest of these yo yos on a reality show wears thin.

[Lemons]

2 hours ago, lunastartron said:

Ramona said that it would be interesting to see what happens with the emails in the aftermath of the initial Comey announcement. What was going to occur in the future with respect to that particular item of news and/or If it would have an impact electorally is different from the question of whether or not the overarching issue amounted to "nothing." 

I don't remember her saying all that. I thought she only said "what about the emails?"   

[film noire]

4 hours ago, lunastartron said:

Also, the point about Leggy Blonde and Aviva was that, as the discourse here originated between you and ChitChat, Carole would still have been disrespectful and dismissive. Not whether Ramona would have pulled out "the win." 

 I don't think your interpretation of my conversation with somebody else is the single valid arbiter of what's being discussed :)

And as I said in my very first post (and touched on in every subsequent post) Ramona loves to win, and could easily have taken the win (if she were genuinely informed) but chose not to, leading me to oh, wonder if she was doing what she usually does; bragging and boasting with nothing to back it up (that's *my* point in this discourse : )

And Carole being condescending is a red herring to me because she is routinely condescending,  and it has never once stopped Ramona from doing or saying whatever the hell she wanted.  Ramona Singer is not a tender deer in the woods reading the wind on the leaves, nervously stepping back because someone might frighten her, shy dear thing that she is; she's a stupid blind bull of a woman who has never once stopped from getting her needs met, regardless of the emotional reaction she's receiving.  If she could've bested Carole, she would have. Ramona loves rubbing people's noses in being wrong. But she couldn't, because Ramona Singer doesn't know shit about politics. (To be fair, she does know a few things -- where to find sunglasses in the J.C. Pennywise collection & the name of a breast surgeon who will leave you looking like a pouter pigeon, for example -- those things she's a stone cold expert on.)

Edited April 17, 2017 by film noire

[queenjen]

On 4/15/2017 at 4:15 PM, breezy424 said:

That's totally different.  Generally speaking though, I don't get it and I think it ridiculous.  Just sayin.  And if you have a dog...  Why are paws ok and not shoes?  I'm off the box.

I don't know if anyone's mentioned this yet, but wearing shoes inside in many Asian and Middle Eastern countries is absolutely not on. In some of these countries, showing someone the sole of your shoe is an insult. You never wear shoes inside temples and mosques and other sacred sites either. I've visited places where the pile of shoes is so varied and enormous, I wonder if I will ever find my own. Similarly, when visiting, everyone takes their shoes off. I think it makes a lot of sense and more people are becoming aware of how unhygenic it is to bring in whatever you've been stepping in all day into your own sanctuary. Personally, I take my outdoor shoes off and put them down in my kitchen and swap into slippers as soon as I get into the house. I don't demand others do it. Yet. But I've really been giving some thought to these lessons from Asia, where they are keenly aware of the demarcation between public and private spheres. It's both a practical custom and a spiritual one. 

Real Hos of Auckland hasn't aired in the States yet, I don't think, but one of the hos there has a very new modern home and insists her guests remove their shoes everytime they visit . There is a long line of expensive heels by the door and much moaning about how outfits are ruined etc. It's not uncommon in Australia either, with many claiming that high heels in particular ruin the wooden floorboards that are common in the subtropics and this is true:  you just respect your hosts wishes and go with the flow. Given the rise of super bugs, I foresee this custom/practice becoming a lot more common on health grounds in the near future. 

[breezy424]

31 minutes ago, queenjen said:

I don't know if anyone's mentioned this yet, but wearing shoes inside in many Asian and Middle Eastern countries is absolutely not on. In some of these countries, showing someone the sole of your shoe is an insult. You never wear shoes inside temples and mosques and other sacred sites either. I've visited places where the pile of shoes is so varied and enormous, I wonder if I will ever find my own. Similarly, when visiting, everyone takes their shoes off. I think it makes a lot of sense and more people are becoming aware of how unhygenic it is to bring in whatever you've been stepping in all day into your own sanctuary. Personally, I take my outdoor shoes off and put them down in my kitchen and swap into slippers as soon as I get into the house. I don't demand others do it. Yet. But I've really been giving some thought to these lessons from Asia, where they are keenly aware of the demarcation between public and private spheres. It's both a practical custom and a spiritual one. 

Real Hos of Auckland hasn't aired in the States yet, I don't think, but one of the hos there has a very new modern home and insists her guests remove their shoes everytime they visit . There is a long line of expensive heels by the door and much moaning about how outfits are ruined etc. It's not uncommon in Australia either, with many claiming that high heels in particular ruin the wooden floorboards that are common in the subtropics and this is true:  you just respect your hosts wishes and go with the flow. Given the rise of super bugs, I foresee this custom/practice becoming a lot more common on health grounds in the near future. 

Actually, I did mention in two of my posts that I had a friend who is Vietnamese and that because of their culture, you did not wear shoes in their home.  And I respected that.

There's a difference between culture and so called cleanliness.  Ever think about what is being placed on your couch?  Sorry, I'm not directing this specifically toward you. 

People may be more obsessive about cleanliness and that's, IMO, not a good thing.  People need to calm down.  Kids need to play in dirt because that actually boosts their immune system.  Super bugs?  I don't get the connection at all.  Super bugs are here because of the overuse of antibiotics, not people taking off their shoes.

Is it about respecting your hosts wishes or is it about respecting your guests?  Sorry, I'm about my guests.  And if high heels are going to ruin your wood floors, then you've got cheap floors.  Sorry but that is what it is. 

[queenjen]

10 hours ago, Petunia13 said:

Bethenny was a bitch meeting Tinsley.  If you're too hot shit or above it all to meet the woman don't go to her "welcoming" party then do exactly the opposite. Also the constant comments about Luann's giant head. For 40 plus years you walked around with the jaw of a Glen Quagmire so people in misformed scull houses shouldn't throw stones. Btw Luann's head seems normal to me. 

It was intentional, don't go and don't bring a basket of your cheap and nasty product because the guest of honor is 'Southern' either, then blank her like she's staff. Bethenny also spoke of googling Tinsley earlier, saying she had the world 'at her fingertips' and lost it all. So she also informed herself about Tinsley in anticipation of this party. As usual, if the event isn't put on by Bethenny herself, she blows in and blows out again, dropping wannabe Dorothy Parker witticisms. If she was the comedian she thinks she is, her talk show would be bigger than Oprah's, not cancelled. 

Edited April 17, 2017 by queenjen
Porter/Parker Tomayto/Tomahto

[queenjen]

28 minutes ago, breezy424 said:

Actually, I did mention in two of my posts that I had a friend who is Vietnamese and that because of their culture, you did not wear shoes in their home.  And I respected that.

There's a difference between culture and so called cleanliness.  Ever think about what is being placed on your couch?  Sorry, I'm not directing this specifically toward you. 

People may be more obsessive about cleanliness and that's, IMO, not a good thing.  People need to calm down.  Kids need to play in dirt because that actually boosts their immune system.  Super bugs?  I don't get the connection at all.  Super bugs are here because of the overuse of antibiotics, not people taking off their shoes.

Is it about respecting your hosts wishes or is it about respecting your guests?  Sorry, I'm about my guests.  And if high heels are going to ruin your wood floors, then you've got cheap floors.  Sorry but that is what it is. 

I often wonder how much cultural and some religious practices are actually based on common sense and hygiene (like eating with one hand because you wipe your nether regions with the other, even though of course people wash their hands after abluting, pigs are profane to Jews and Muslims and this may have something to do with hard desert ground, burials above ground and pigs scavenging.). I was just observing this. Personally, I've been giving thought to the 'removing shoes' issue lately because I like how it demarcates the public and private spheres. Taking off your shoes, removing your bra, whatever, these rituals herald entry from the outside world into the interior world of comfort that you control. There is some common sense in the shoe removal practice because it does have a basis in acknowledging purity and sanctity. In many of the places you remove your shoes, you may also need to wash your hands and face and cover your hair. To me, this is about protecting the sacred environment from profanity and dirt brought in from the outside. It's both literal and metaphoric. As far as what I said about 'superbugs': I see people traveling to and from Asian countries wearing masks because of flu fears. More strains of severe influenza have been discovered since 2012 than have been identified in the prior century. It's a fact. Disease control centres are taking this seriously. I was just acknowledging that and the effect it has on people. All of my kids were brought up under the  'a little dirt, never hurt' mantra, specifically because I believed it assisted their developing immune systems, especially in their home environment. I homebirthed 2 of my kids in a house full of cats, litter trays etc. I still don't sanitise and disinfect my house, I use green products etc. But, it's a different world now. As far as couches are concerned, i don't sit in dog shit and garbage, but I may inadvertently and easily walk in some? Wearing shoes also batters carpets and rugs. High heels scuff floors and in some of the older houses here, they do leave dents. It isn't always about cheap flooring, and even if it is, if the owner of said floors would like to try and protect them and keep them nice, I'll respect their wishes.

[Alison]

On ‎4‎/‎14‎/‎2017 at 1:30 PM, SunnyBeBe said:

OMG.!  I didn't see it.  I wonder why I never heard of this before.  I've only visited NY a handful of times, but, I have quite a few friends in NC, who grew up in the Northeast and I've never heard it from them either.  Anyway, I'm so sorry if my comment was offensive.  I certainly had no idea it was a regional accent thing.  Please accept my apology. 

Oh, no apology needed! I wasn't offended at all, just wanted to show that Carole doesn't have some weird speech pattern :)

On ‎4‎/‎14‎/‎2017 at 5:36 PM, chewycandy said:

another question: what did Ramona mean when she called Bethenny a "B.I." in the preview for next week?

I thiiiiink she was going to finish that with "T.C.H." That's my best guess, but with Ramona, you never know, because she's the queen of malapropisms.

[KungFuBunny]

12 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

Ramona is a toddler who has barest understanding of how adults behave. She's like the woman who wants to flash her engagement ring without having to tell everyone she's engaged. Ramona was tugging at her shirt to "cover" her hickey a.k.a. call attention to it. I think there was a hickey, but only because Ramona comes off like a 16 year old girl. I'm sure she talks about what bases she'll allow after a certain number of dates.

Bethenny was a complete bitch to Tinsley, but I suspect it was because during Tinsley's heyday Bethenny wasn't someone she'd give a second of her time. I don't think that Tinsley is a great fit for this show. She really was the type of socialite that Jill and LuAnn pretended to be in the earlier seasons. And I think after that High Society debacle she's not trying to come across as a messy disaster. 

LuAnn has big head. So does Oprah. Bethenny has a hatchet jaw.

The hickey thing is Ramona regurgitating Carole's "turn on" from a few seasons ago. I don't remember if Carole was with Russ or Adam and she started talking abut loving hickies, blah, blah blah

Did you mean to say Hodgit?

[Yours Truly]

On 4/14/2017 at 0:41 PM, seasick said:

I'm a big LuAnn fan.  But one of the incidents her detractors cite was in an early season when Ramona was explaining to Lu that she had advised Bethenny to just go out and date a lot--date lots of different men (because this is what Ramona did in her single days)   IIRC Lu got all haughty and naughty about the idea.  I hope I'm recalling the event  correctly that many feel showed a lot of hypocrisy in LuAnn because she indeed, has notches on her bedpost .  ( I hope I'm expressing their argument correctly)

But this is where I see that whole incident differently.  First--just to say that Lu's teen daughter Victoria was there.  And..I believe in Lu's mind  (because Lu does enjoy a good romp)  she may interpret 'dating around' a little more broadly.  So with that mindset I think she was projecting a very sanctimonious view about it for the sake of her young daughter  (which I agree with. I believe it's always a good idea to pretend you're the Virgin Mary to your budding teen until they well, don't believe it anymore)   And-- like I said I think LuAnn probably doesn't think of dating generally as a 'kiss goodnight at the door' activity , which I think is what Ramona meant.  

So it seems somehow ironic or contrary or something.. but if you do assume your dates are going to end up in the sack, then yes--for heavens' sake keep it to one guy --(not counting out-of-the circle run-ins and any out-of-towners of course.)  For Lu I think it's the old-school reputation idea.  No shame in doing it--the shame is allowing yourself to be stupid --stupid enough to get a reputation. 

During that conversation Ramona said LuAnn's husband was "old.".  She said it in front of Victoria too-- and LuAnn reamed her.  Not sure if lLuAnn's put down of Ramona's dating idea came after that or not.  But it was rude and insulting and Lu was pissed. 

 I don't think acting 'coy' or keeping your sexual activity on the down-low is hypocritical.  She has a "lady-like" code. Perhaps a lady does not show off her hickeys.  She does not brandish her sex toys. When possible, she takes her indiscretions out of town.  If one has a 'friends with benefits' agreement, you don't speak of this.  If people think you're 'missionary mary' that's even better.  Lu's would likely never deny that her mattress mileage could put the others to shame but it's nobody's business.  One has nothing to do with the other.

 I don't see Lu pearl-clutching at Sonja's behaviour (more than anyone else) and I don't hear Bethy screaming at Sonja that she's a slut and a whore.   Putting it all on display is a personal choice and so is keeping it on the down-low.  One is not automatically a  judgement or commentary of the other and I don't see it as hypocritical. 

See I remember this somewhat and I'm sure that million year old clip is a part of this HUGE Lu preached here and judged there etc. etc. etc.

I think it's funny that others hold onto that as an example considering it really wasn't for all that in the first place. So she disagreed with the approach or the idea or whatever. As I recall she offered up an alternative approach. A more traditional one albeit but she was just expressing her views on it and offering up other ways to manuever the dating field.  I find it so comical that people seem to think that, as you've described, Lu's tendency to want to be more discreet about her sexual escapes and prowess is somehow hypocritical and her shocked reactions to the others flashing their snatches is the equivalent to someone who is handing out Scarlet letters by the barrel.

Completely Agree to the second bolded!!!

Edited April 17, 2017 by Yours Truly

[oakville]

On 4/15/2017 at 8:10 PM, crgirl412 said:

OMG! I can't even picture who would be the "brain" on that topic!  I *think* that brain cell for brain cell Caroline Fleming is the smartest in reality.  Juliet I-am-from-Chicago Angus would probably think that she knows the most somehow.

I love Ladies of London. Caroline Fleming vs Bethenny would be a battle of the Queen Bees.

[Yours Truly]

On 4/14/2017 at 2:00 PM, motorcitymom65 said:

What do scholarly accolades have to do with the fact that Carole gets called out more than the rest of them for not doing much of anything? There are several posts this week already where she is called lazy. More last week and many more last season. It is an honest question - why is that? You could compare her to any number of these chicks, but the easiest and most obvious comparison would be Dorinda. Maybe I've missed them all, but I don't recall anyone calling Dorinda lazy or driftless. They are roughly the same age, both had very successful careers, both are widowed, and both don't seem to have anything that we can see that would take up a lot of their time. This is Dorinda's 3rd season. By her 3rd season, Carole had released a book since being on the show. I will grant you not a very good book, or a successful one, but she did accomplish something. Can someone please point me in the direction of what Dorinda has done in 3 seasons? Hey, I don't mean to hammer Dorinda. I like her fine, although she is looney as hell and IMO the most judgmental about others and what she believes to be right and wrong (don't walk into a restaurant without me, and don't say "fuck" in Europe). Dorinda is very smart, extremely accomplished in her prior career, yet she does absolutely nothing and as far as I have been able to ascertain from her time on the show, and unless I've missed it, hasn't talked about wanting or needing to do anything except travel up to the Berkshires. Which is just fine by me. I just don't understand why the same folks who think Carole is lazy don't feel that way about Dorinda. 

Because since she joined we've seen Miss Author and Journalist have actual commitments that have fizzled in a sea of ki'ens, fuck bois, (or rather boi), Beths anus, etc. etc. all the while trying to come across as some visitor to the franchise and not an actual participant. She's condescending and she uses her esteemed past as a reason to see herself as superior. Not only that, she uses that to elevate herself above others so ummmmm yeah she gets called out. Sonja might be hot mess but she's bouncing off the walls with whackadoo projects so no one is wondering what she's up to and some of her less than glamorous projects, I assume, make some sort of money. Ramona has been shown working, we know she had her business when she started the show and we know she's followed through with a few vanity projects while on the show as well. Lu's got her own line on evine. Wrote a couple of books put out a couple of songs (lol) during her time on the show... Dorinda isn't siting this or that as reasons why her political opinion holds more weight and it isn't just this season where it seems Carole will probably be more insufferable. Her whole time on the show has been peppered with superior attitudes regarding the others and the viewers meanwhile she hasn't produced not one thing during her time on the show. Nothing, nada. Hell I could care less if she wants to claw at that couch all day with her ki'ens while Adam braids her damn hair. What I'm not feeling is how Carole by meerly existing feels she's such a force to be reckoned with on any given day. THAT'S why she gets called out cause everyone is wondering where she gets off projecting this air of authority meanwhile Lu is so pretentious and Ramona is uniformed, Sonja is delusional. Jules has a problem, etc. etc. but what do YOU do Carole?

At least that's why I call her out. Basically, the way I see it. She ain't one to talk.

[seasick]

1 hour ago, Yours Truly said:

See I remember this somewhat and I'm sure that million year old clip is a part of this HUGE Lu preached here and judged there etc. etc. etc.

I think it's funny that others hold onto that as an example considering it really wasn't for all that in the first place. So she disagreed with the approach or the idea or whatever. As I recall she offered up an alternative approach. A more traditional one albeit but she was just expressing her views on it and offering up other ways to manuever the dating field.  I find it so comical that people seem to think that, as you've described, Lu's tendency to want to be more discreet about her sexual escapes and prowess is somehow hypocritical and her shocked reactions to the others flashing their snatches is the equivalent to someone who is handing out Scarlet letters by the barrel.

Completely Agree to the second bolded!!!

I can't think of any other incidences other than the Adam/Carole thing where Lu had an opinion on another's sexual behavior unless pushed ( as on the reunion telling B she was dating a married man)   I'd like to take it to past episodes.  Someone also asked why B hates Lu so much and I think I recall how they first met up and got off on the wrong foot there.   Also the issue about the Beth/Jill fight where Lu somehow got in the middle.  That is a murky incident where Jill claiming some behind the scenes stuff--IDK.  

I have Direct Tv and it seems to me my only re-runs are Atlanta (which I hate).  I don't recall the recent run of an old season of NY--maybe I missed it . I think it's odd that I wouldn't catch it--unless it was just one day,  and would think it very strange if DTV does different programming than Comcast.  Anyway--would like revisit and hear opinions and recollections -- will see if something can get started in past episodes thread.

[Otherkate]

It may have been rude, but Carole saying "I heard two men talking and one of them was Luanne" is easily the funniest thing she's ever said on this show. I've got a lot of built up tolerance for her because of that one. 

[breezy424]

An article by Brian Moylan who does the Housewive's recaps for Vulture.  His description remind me of Beth's apartment:

http://gawker.com/5458722/actually-yes-i-do-mind-taking-off-my-shoes

[Trooper York]

Now if you wanted to be a politically correct SJW like Carole you would demand that Carole be punished for mocking Luann because she identifies as a woman.

Being a pompous condescending politically correct twit can be quiet confusing.

[zoeysmom]

Ramona's choice of wearing a scarf had nothing to do with hickeys.  She had a mole removed and didn't want a guaze bandage on her neck.  The level of stupidity of Ramona and her pretend dates is getting old.

[ryebread]

2 hours ago, Yours Truly said:

At least that's why I call her out. Basically, the way I see it. She ain't one to talk.

I call her out on her laziness because I believe she *likes* being perceived as a lazy dum dum (when it suits her/wants to be 'cute').  That's interesting to me.

The blowies, boys, M&M diet and barfing on her boyfriends' shoes because she took acid-laced gummi bears from a stranger in a club.  She smokes pink cigarettes because she says they don't cause cancer.  She says these things proudly and with purpose. Like she's 15.  FWIW, I think she's intelligent but these things are contradictions to the smart, serious writer and feminist she thinks she is. 

Why is she so proud that she never pays her bills and carries around a purse full of past due and shut-off notices?  I guess this is why I enjoy bagging on her so much.  She's smart but tries to be stupid sometimes but don't forget she's a serious journalist, yo.  She's a conundrum.  Or in her case, a conundumdum.

I carry them with me, but I never pay them.  Tee hee hee.

[Celia Rubenstein]

6 hours ago, Yours Truly said:

I think it's funny that others hold onto that as an example considering it really wasn't for all that in the first place. So she disagreed with the approach or the idea or whatever. As I recall she offered up an alternative approach. A more traditional one albeit but she was just expressing her views on it and offering up other ways to manuever the dating field.  I find it so comical that people seem to think that, as you've described, Lu's tendency to want to be more discreet about her sexual escapes and prowess is somehow hypocritical ...

But Luann didn't just say "be discreet."  She said women should behave a certain way when she herself doesn't behave that way.  

That's not just disagreeing with with someone's approach or demonstrating a more traditional alternative.  It's the very definition of being a hypocrite.  And the reason that label has stuck with her is because of the magnitude of her hypocrisy. 

This is a woman who has been written up in the paper for getting drunk at a wedding and insisting on singing and groping men who were present and fighting with her husband and falling in a parking lot, etc.  Her catting around is notorious. Nobody is saying she has to be a saint ... she should go for it if that's what she wants.  She doesn't owe anyone an apology or an explanation.   Just don't preach to people they should be something you yourself are famous for NOT being.  It's that simple. 

Edited April 17, 2017 by Celia Rubenstein