S09.E02: It Girl, Interrupted

[UsernameFatigue]

1 hour ago, ryebread said:

Almost as condescending as when she said that if you don't work outside the home, you're a nobody. 

I missed the beginning of this episode and the "Ramona not taking off her shoes" scene.  But I did notice in the last episode, that when Bethenny showed up to Sonja's in the rain, she did a cursory wipe of her wet shoes on the rug before heading up the steps.  Why does she insist people remove theirs at her house if not extending the same courtesy for others?

Bethenny asked Ramona to remove her shoes because of the puppies and Cookie, afraid that Ramona might kick one of them with her shoes. Which is exactly what Ramona did, and then claimed that it wasn't a big deal because puppies are resilient. Which lead to what I thought was the hilarious TH of Bethenny's, about kicking puppies and babies being OK because they are resilient. 

[sasha206]

1 hour ago, ChitChat said:

What Carole lacks is the grace and humility to give others a chance to voice their opinion on the subject.  She shuts them down immediately.  RUDE!   I would think someone of her pedigree would be socially adept at navigating the do's and don'ts of discussing politics with friends. 

The funny thing is she could have had a lot of fun with it and let Ramona wax on and show how uninformed she may be.  

[breezy424]

Ok.  I thought it a bit weird that Beth asked Ro to take off her shoes because of the puppies.  Weren't the puppies child gated?  So yeah, maybe it's ok to ask a guest to take off their shoes when going through the 'penned' area?  Just found that odd.  Add to that, I'm not particularly happy to take off my shoes if I don't know that it's going to be required.  I know in certain cultures that removing your shoes at the door is customary.  And I've done that because I know that's what expected.  So what I'm trying to say is that I did get Ro saying that she's uncomfortable being required to take off her shoes.  Oh god, I'm agreeing with Ro.....

It seems that Ro and Carole have had political discussions before.  Apparently, Ro must be a Trump supporter.  Maybe Carole is basing her frustration on those previous conversations.  Beth could be a Trump supporter as well or maybe Beth just doesn't want to hear it because it's not about Beth being center stage.  As for Carole and her career, I do get how the deaths of her husband, John and Carolyn might have taken some time to get to her.  Apparently, Carole had the financial means to walk away.  Her career at ABC was not an easy one.  She may be living in a bit of a fantasy world now but she seems to enjoy herself in the moment.  She's got the chic apartment and the young boyfriend.  Denial about the future?  Maybe.  She's taking the moment.  Can she be condescending and hypocritical at times?  Yep.  

I'm still trying to figure out why Beth hates Lu so much.  As for Ro and Sonja...maybe they're just pissed that Lu got Tom.  I don't take Ro at her word saying she wasn't interested and well, we saw how upset Sonja was when Lu and Tom got engaged. And then there's the whole single woman competition game that goes on with the three of them. 

[Ms Blue Jay]

If I get the time, I will try and read all of your posts, BUT ----

Episodes 1 and 2 were so boring!  Oh my god !  I miss Jules!  Do I even like this show!?

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NY is my favorite franchise but these women are awful. Except for Dorinda who is a friend in my head.

Exactly, oh god, exactly.  I'm in love with her.

22 hours ago, breezy424 said:

Nope.  Jason has been totally silent.  He could have made some big bucks telling all about Beth.  She is going to learn from her little friends and the internet.

On another note, Beth felt she had to make a comment about the size of Lu's head.  Sorry Beth, no matter how anyone feels about Lu, IMO she's a lot more attractive than you.  Better face and body.  Hate her or not, Lu has got it going on in the looks and body department.

Plus, It's obvious Beth has had a LOT of work done whereas Lu looks like she hasn't had any.  (Maybe she has, I don't mind being corrected on this) but Lu always looks so hot, natural, and gorgeous!

Carole is disgusting in looks and in personality.

I miss Jules ,both for her looks and for her personality.  I truly do hope she is well.

Edited April 14, 2017 by Ms Blue Jay

[sasha206]

Tinsley reminds me of a cross between Nicole Brown Simpson and Rachel Zoe.

[ivygirl]

8 hours ago, MerryMary said:

Dorinda gives off a positive/fun vibe most of the time.  She's the one I wouldn't mind hanging out with IRL.  She seems content with her life.  I love that "I made it nice" became part of her tag line.

She really does know how to laugh at herself. Last season, I loved that she wore a "What are you doing here without Dorinda!?!" T shirt. 

[WireWrap]

35 minutes ago, breezy424 said:

Ok.  I thought it a bit weird that Beth asked Ro to take off her shoes because of the puppies.  Weren't the puppies child gated?  So yeah, maybe it's ok to ask a guest to take off their shoes when going through the 'penned' area?  Just found that odd.  Add to that, I'm not particularly happy to take off my shoes if I don't know that it's going to be required.  I know in certain cultures that removing your shoes at the door is customary.  And I've done that because I know that's what expected.  So what I'm trying to say is that I did get Ro saying that she's uncomfortable being required to take off her shoes.  Oh god, I'm agreeing with Ro.....

It seems that Ro and Carole have had political discussions before.  Apparently, Ro must be a Trump supporter.  Maybe Carole is basing her frustration on those previous conversations.  Beth could be a Trump supporter as well or maybe Beth just doesn't want to hear it because it's not about Beth being center stage.  As for Carole and her career, I do get how the deaths of her husband, John and Carolyn might have taken some time to get to her.  Apparently, Carole had the financial means to walk away.  Her career at ABC was not an easy one.  She may be living in a bit of a fantasy world now but she seems to enjoy herself in the moment.  She's got the chic apartment and the young boyfriend.  Denial about the future?  Maybe.  She's taking the moment.  Can she be condescending and hypocritical at times?  Yep.  

I'm still trying to figure out why Beth hates Lu so much.  As for Ro and Sonja...maybe they're just pissed that Lu got Tom.  I don't take Ro at her word saying she wasn't interested and well, we saw how upset Sonja was when Lu and Tom got engaged. And then there's the whole single woman competition game that goes on with the three of them. 

Last season we saw Bethenny ask everyone to remove their shoes when they came into the apartment, this isn't something new or something Ramona didn't know. This is just Ramona not liking to take her shoes off, maybe she has ugly toes! LOL

[breezy424]

13 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Last season we saw Bethenny ask everyone to remove their shoes when they came into the apartment, this isn't something new or something Ramona didn't know. This is just Ramona not liking to take her shoes off, maybe she has ugly toes! LOL

Yeah, I do remember Beth having a thing about removing their shoes.  LOL.  But she made the puppies as being the 'excuse' this time.  So I get Ro (as much as I hate to admit it because I can't stand Ro) being indignant about the whole thing.  LOL.

[ryebread]

16 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Last season we saw Bethenny ask everyone to remove their shoes when they came into the apartment, this isn't something new or something Ramona didn't know. This is just Ramona not liking to take her shoes off, maybe she has ugly toes! LOL

We sure did. And that's why I thought it was rude that Beth didn't think it necessary to remove HER shoes when going upstairs to Sonja's. Do as I say but not as I do, and all that.

[WireWrap]

2 minutes ago, breezy424 said:

Yeah, I do remember Beth having a thing about removing their shoes.  LOL.  But she made the puppies as being the 'excuse' this time.  So I get Ro (as much as I hate to admit it because I can't stand Ro) being indignant about the whole thing.  LOL.

IMO, I think Bethenny just used the puppies in hopes that Ramona would take them off. LOL

Just now, ryebread said:

We sure did. And that's why I thought it was rude that Beth didn't think it necessary to remove HER shoes when going upstairs to Sonja's. Do as I say but not as I do, and all that.

I agree and as much as I think Bethenny is an ass, would you want to remove your shoes in Sonja's house? We have seen her dogs use her carpets as their bathroom before! LOL

[biakbiak]

49 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

agree and as much as I think Bethenny is an ass, would you want to remove your shoes in Sonja's house? We have seen her dogs use her carpets as their bathroom before! LOL

Well Bethanny wanted people to remove their shoes to walk through the puppies area which I imagine has also been the site of accidents.

[zoeysmom]

I believe if someone is particular about shoes in the house at least offer your guests shoe covers or slippers.  Some people really don't like going barefoot unless it to shower or go to bed. 

[film noire]

14 hours ago, psychoticstate said:

When Bethenny, of all people, is telling you you're being rude and need to zip it, you've crossed the line.  

Bethenny talking about rudeness is like a pimp talking finger bowl etiquette while slapping a whore around.

Ramona, imo, is one of  the most witless creatures to ever walk the franchise.  Very few others have revealed themselves to be so needy,  fame-greedy and completely brain-bleedy.   In comparison to Ramona, Jules is Justice Brandeis, Kelly B is Madam Curie and Carole's dog is a Pulitzer prize winning mutt taking a dump on a 55 K couch  (and  the pup is still smarter than Ramona, with all her faculties, surgically induced walleyes and delusional self aggrandizement intact). The day Ramona Singer becomes a valid arbiter of smarts is the day civilization dies, imo.  I may loathe Carole, but at least I know she can read; I suspect Ramona just looks at the words on the page and moans vowel sounds to herself.

Edited April 14, 2017 by film noire

[Kanena]

Carole is trying hard to get her credibility back after spending years of playing high school mean girls with Beth. I like them better apart, so good for her. I give her a pass for trying to appear serious, as I know the alternative is scenes of her rolling around in bed with her bestie trashing everyone else.

I notice that they are both actually eating now too, which is positive. Beth almost looks healthy, she must be getting help with her eating disorder instead of projecting her obvious issues with food onto others like she did to Jules last season.

[motorcitymom65]

16 hours ago, psychoticstate said:

I was provided with an advance copy of The Widow's Guide to Whatever.  I was excited to read it because, at the time, Carole didn't annoy the shit out of me.  I could barely get through two or three chapters before I tossed it to the side.  Terrible.  Boring.  

I think other people have said this but what exactly does Carole do all day?  We know she doesn't seem to be a motivated writer. If nothing else, at least learn how to chew with your mouth closed and properly pronounce "kittens."  Sheesh. 

What does Dorinda do all day? Or Ramona? Or Lu? Or Sonja? Some of them have occassional opportunities, but I don't think that any of them are doing anything except this show full time. Not even Ramona who use to actually go to work every day. It's always been interesting to me, especially since Dorinda joined the show 3 years ago, that folks always wonder what Carole does, but you rarely hear anyone ask what Dorinda in particular does. 

[motorcitymom65]

12 hours ago, sasha206 said:

I don't know if she did.  Perhaps she did.  I would think if they approved, they might have joined her.  

Or perhaps could see them saying, "Why don't you try to contact YOUR OWN DEAD HUSBAND?"  

Did the medium try that and fail?  Or was Radziwill so sure the Kennedy clan would ream her a new one in the press that she didn't dare?

For whatever reason, Carole seems to believe in this stuff. She said once that she hasn't always been a believer, but over the last few years it has given her comfort. We saw her do the Medium stuff with Heather and Dorinda a few seasons ago, which was about Anthony. I think it is all strange - the Medium stuff and all and always roll my eyes, but to some it is powerful stuff. Without knowing that CBK's family was upset, it's hard for me to have any outrage. Maybe there were fine with it. Maybe after all of these years they are happy to know that not everyone has forgotten that they lost a daughter (or two) on that terrible day. Maybe they don't like it, but respect that this terrible tragedy happened to Carole too. Respect that she was a part of CBK's life and has a right to her memories and feelings and to confront them how she likes. 

[motorcitymom65]

12 hours ago, Mozelle said:

Really, the only difference here is that the request is about politics. Nine seasons in, and I'd love to know when any of these ladies have ever stopped talking about the horror du jour when they were asked not to bring it up. That's an entire trope in this RH universe: something happens, someone talks about it, someone asks them not to talk about, others still talk about it, someone suggests a tea or luncheon or dinner party to "clear the air" about the thing that supposedly no one wants to talk about, and next thing you know, it's 14 episodes in talking about the thing no one wanted to talk about back in episode two...

And Ramona is dumb. Suddenly, there are expectations to take her (supposed) intelligence seriously because Carole's talking politics? Heh.  

Lastly, as someone pointed out in another thread (and has been discussed often), these RH shows have never solely been about real estate porn and shopping excursions and vacations what with real world issues like alcoholism, suicide, eating disorders, infidelity, domestic abuse, etc. snaking their way in, seasons in and seasons out. 

God, I love this comment. Yes, Ramona is dumb. It should be pointed out often and said loudly. All the time. Every episode. She should be introduced this way to other people - "I'd like you to meet Ramona the Idiot". She should have to wear a sign that says it. Who cares if someone says it because it's over politics? If someone told her she was dumb about the way she acts about men and relationships, folks would applaud. And to Ramona, men and relationships are serious business, much more serious business than is politics. Carole - in pretty much any situation I can imagine - is smarter than Ramona. She just is. I don't think anyone has to like Carole to believe this. Anyone doubt that Carole knows a lot more about what is going on in the election? A lot more about positions, opinions, etc? People might not think she is right, but she is certainly more well informed about the issues than is Ramona the Idiot.

[motorcitymom65]

5 hours ago, WireWrap said:

Last season we saw Bethenny ask everyone to remove their shoes when they came into the apartment, this isn't something new or something Ramona didn't know. This is just Ramona not liking to take her shoes off, maybe she has ugly toes! LOL

Correct. She made Carole do it last season when she came over, and Carole rolled her eyes at the instruction but she did it. 

I don't think I've had a person enter my home in 15 years that hasn't offered to take off their shoes. Certainly it started with service people, who always remove their shoes or put on little booties, but everyone seems to do it. In interviewing realtors to sell my home, they all removed their shoes first thing. My friends all offer to take off their shoes. I always offer to take off my shoes when I go into any persons house. It is just second nature. I just thought that was the way things worked now and had no idea it was offensive to some. 

[queenjen]

On 4/13/2017 at 1:00 PM, JennyMominFL said:

I think Tinsley kind of looks like Gretchen Rossi. Just me?

If you squint at her mugshot (I did), you'll see a resemblance to Gretchen, I think it's the fillers she's had so far and the overdone face that looms in her future. Try it.

[Beden]

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For whatever reason, Carole seems to believe in this stuff. She said once that she hasn't always been a believer, but over the last few years it has given her comfort. We saw her do the Medium stuff with Heather and Dorinda a few seasons ago, which was about Anthony. I think it is all strange - the Medium stuff and all and always roll my eyes, but to some it is powerful stuff. Without knowing that CBK's family was upset, it's hard for me to have any outrage. Maybe there were fine with it. Maybe after all of these years they are happy to know that not everyone has forgotten that they lost a daughter (or two) on that terrible day. Maybe they don't like it, but respect that this terrible tragedy happened to Carole too. Respect that she was a part of CBK's life and has a right to her memories and feelings and to confront them how she likes. 

 

Personally I don't believe in this but, like many people, have friends who have lost loved ones and find comfort  and perhaps some resolution in being told that their friends/parents/children all right, that they're happy and that they're waiting for them all to be reunited.

It's not for me (I'm too much of a cynic) but have less than no problem if others find some comfort in this and don't criticize.

Carol, a woman I've never met, suffered devastating losses in quick succession. If this makes her less lonely and unhappy then good for her.

[Otherkate]

2 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Correct. She made Carole do it last season when she came over, and Carole rolled her eyes at the instruction but she did it. 

I don't think I've had a person enter my home in 15 years that hasn't offered to take off their shoes. Certainly it started with service people, who always remove their shoes or put on little booties, but everyone seems to do it. In interviewing realtors to sell my home, they all removed their shoes first thing. My friends all offer to take off their shoes. I always offer to take off my shoes when I go into any persons house. It is just second nature. I just thought that was the way things worked now and had no idea it was offensive to some. 

I have a thing about this as well. I always offer to take off my shoes when I go to someone else's house. Most people offer to remove their shoes when they come to mine and I always say "If you don't mind!" I certainly wouldn't force someone, but I personally find it pretty gross. Of course, my dog does walk around my house but unfortunately I can't ask her to remove her paws.

[Chit Chat]

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Anyone doubt that Carole knows a lot more about what is going on in the election?

I believe that Carole thinks she knows more than anybody else about the election.  Yeah, she has more political connections and is in the know, but it is so very rude to engage someone about politics and then tell them why you think they're wrong. 

The point isn't whether Ramona is smart or not (I do believe she has the business smarts to have made it this far, even though her appearances on camera say otherwise), it's about Carole showing some class by trying to have a civil conversation without going straight into condescending mode.  We all read the same news stories the past year, and we all came up with our own view on said stories.  That doesn't make me right and you wrong, and vice versa.   Carole should've kept her yap shut during parties, unless she was with a group of like-minded folks.   I'm not among the elite society, but this average Joe is smart enough to know that if I started talking to someone about the election, I'd start off with something like "Wow!  This is a crazy campaign season."  Then I'd let them say something, and I'd know right away which side of the aisle they were on.  It's called reading the room (or person), then either shutting your own yap, or proceeding with the conversation without offending the other person.

Might I offer up to Carole what I had to write on every history test I took in 9th grade (41 years ago, and I still remember it): Tact:  A keen discernment of what to do or say when dealing with others without giving offense. 

Edited April 14, 2017 by ChitChat

[queenjen]

21 hours ago, NYCNJbear06 said:

not as bad as when you were the first to eat the wedding cake and the doggie wedding, but equally as rude.

don't forget the caviar party. Ramona's eyes bulged out of her head and she started shoveling as much caviar into her snout as she could. You could actually read her mind: she looked at the camera and said 'fck it. I don't care, it's worth thousands a gram and i'm swallowing all of it". I reckon she was wrapping it up in napkins to take home. Ramona is this sort of person. First the free food, then the niceties. This came across at Sonja's with the (ass) sandwiches. I wouldn't eat anything sitting out uncovered at Sonja's: all that dander and aerosolized dingleberry dust flying around. No. Ramona's got a fundamental poverty attitude, probably from her upbringing. She loves a freebie. Key to her heart.

[Chit Chat]

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I wouldn't eat anything sitting out uncovered at Sonja's: all that dander and aerosolized dingleberry dust flying around

I saw Sonja wipe/blow her nose while in the kitchen while all of the food was getting plated.  Yuck!  She didn't turn around and wash her hands either.  That's a big pet peeve of mine.   I was in a buffet-style restaurant one time and saw one of the servers standing near the buffet just honking away into a tissue.  I just about lost my lunch right there.  I couldn't eat anymore after that.   I was too grossed out. 

[Sai]

I'm just so happy to have Ramona back in my life once a week.  I don't care what anyone says, that chick cracks me up!!  And she was right about the pups.  You get new puppies, you tell people!  I freakin told strangers on the streets when I got 2 new puppies!

[queenjen]

16 hours ago, Yours Truly said:

Pick a lane, do the work that gets you where you want to be and stop expecting to be revered just for the simple act of existing. 

Personally, I think Carole is just plain lazy. She's experiencing cognitive dissonance because she's been set up (a home on each coast, plenty of money in the bank) and this is at odds with her idea of herself as a social justice warrior of sorts. Maybe that's why she's so rabid over the election. She's got that evangelical glint in her eye, she is NOT going to STFU on this. I'm wondering how crunchy Adam coped with Election Carole. Maybe he just retreated to the kitchen and ran raw stuff through the NutriBullet when she got annoying. Or played his guitar. Back to the lazy hypothesis, I think Carole keeps coming up with book ideas that she has no real connection with or intention of ever putting in the hard work to see published. It's all a smokescreen so she can kick back in her apartments with her cool hipster bf, gets everyone around her off her back and lends her credibility with them. Whatever. I find her pretty bland and her 'world's oldest hipster' schtick is getting trying.

Does Bethenny know how ridiculous and insulting she is with appropriating her pets' names? she should have just called them Manolo and Louis like every other housewife. I wonder what Heather would say?

[motorcitymom65]

40 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

I believe that Carole thinks she knows more than anybody else about the election.  Yeah, she has more political connections and is in the know, but it is so very rude to engage someone about politics and then tell them why you think they're wrong. 

The point isn't whether Ramona is smart or not (I do believe she has the business smarts to have made it this far, even though her appearances on camera say otherwise), it's about Carole showing some class by trying to have a civil conversation without going straight into condescending mode.  We all read the same news stories the past year, and we all came up with our own view on said stories.  That doesn't make me right and you wrong, and vice versa.   Carole should've kept her yap shut during parties, unless she was with a group of like-minded folks.   I'm not among the elite society, but this average Joe is smart enough to know that if I started talking to someone about the election, I'd start off with something like "Wow!  This is a crazy campaign season."  Then I'd let them say something, and I'd know right away which side of the aisle they were on.  It's called reading the room (or person), then either shutting your own yap, or proceeding with the conversation without offending the other person.

Might I offer up to Carole what I had to write on every history test I took in 9th grade (41 years ago, and I still remember it): Tact:  A keen discernment of what to do or say when dealing with others without giving offense. 

I think Carole's point (and I certainly agree based on the people that I know) is that everyone doesn't read the same news. Again, doesn't mean that Carole is right, but her point is dead on. I have several people in my life that were not even registered to vote before this election because in general they could not give two shits about politics, became engaged in this election, and got all of their news from Facebook. They believed everything they read there, reposted it, and would argue for days that actual news stories were Fake News, tending to believe a conspiracy theory posted on FB. Carole knows Ramona. Has known her for years. Spends lots of time with her for months at a time. She is well aware that Ramona is not reading any news about Politics. She isn't sitting down and reading The Washington Post or NY Times hoping to keep abreast of Politics. She isn't even reading the lead political story when she pops on Yahoo. She just isn't. Carole is well aware that Ramona might have an opinion about something, but it's not like it is particularly informed by any real information. Which is fine; not everyone has the level of interest that Carole has. Ramona doesn't have to care as much as Carole does. It doesn't have to be a big deal to Ramona. She just needs to acknowledge that she really doesn't know (or care) much about it. 

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[QuinnM]

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I'm just so happy to have Ramona back in my life once a week.  I don't care what anyone says, that chick cracks me up!!  And she was right about the pups.  You get new puppies, you tell people!  I freakin told strangers on the streets when I got 2 new puppies!

Yes, I would totally miss Ramona.  But seriously Bethenny told her 1.5 twitter followers, her 1.2 Instagram followers and who knows on Snapchat.  What she didn't do was text her bestie Ramona.  But I don't see Ramona in her life when they're not filming so I guess B made the mistake of thinking Ramona only cared during RHONY season.  Or maybe Ramona thinks she's like the Godfather and all of the other housewives are like minions?  But seriously you walk through the small caged area where there are dogs and never even mention the dogs? 

Also I remember Dorinda when she came in once saw the shoes at the door and mentioned that she had gone to no shoes in her place too after some article in the Post or something.  So no shoes at B's isn't new but 2 small dogs are.  But this is Ramona and she can't be bothered with these details in her minions life.

[Chit Chat]

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She is well aware that Ramona is not reading any news about Politics.

Respectfully, Carole doesn't know this, unless she was with Ramona 24/7.  It's an assumption on Carole's part, IMO.  Carol has a very pompous "I'm right and you're wrong" attitude, and I find that offensive.  I especially hate when people think they know what I know or have experienced, and then try to tell me what they think I don't know!   Carole had to be pretty annoying for Bethenny to have said something about it.  At least with Bethenny she didn't try to engage Carole about the candidates, but instead tried to get her to shut up before she alienated everybody. 

[Normades]

10 minutes ago, queenjen said:

Does Bethenny know how ridiculous and insulting she is with appropriating her pets' names? she should have just called them Manolo and Louis like every other housewife. I wonder what Heather would say?

Let's not forget that she told a room full of entrepreneurial women that she has a kinship with black women because she is loud and that they should hire white men as the face of their company.  OH, and it's good to sleep with men for start up capital.  This woman is absolutely the lowest!!  So, appropriation is by far not her greatest sin and everyone loves her cuz she's so awesome (in her mind). 

No wonder she and ErICKa from RHOBH didn't get along.  They're too much alike. 

[tribeca]

My sis was Carole this past election just on the other side.  My family thought she was unbearable before the election after it became so much worse.  My DD a republican set rules of no political talk just family time when we all came over 

  Know I am not a stylish so didn't understand why they were making fun of Luanne's dress.  At least she tried to stay in theme of party and have fun with it.  

[queenjen]

13 hours ago, WireWrap said:

In Atl. I think Kandi and Kenya are the only ones that have pets, the OC. has Tamra, Kelly and Meghan with dogs and as far as NJ, I haven't watched in a couple of years but Teresa Guidice has dogs but I do not know if anyone else on there does.

I can't recall Kandi's dog/s? Probably taken a backseat now Ace is in the picture. Dolores Catania has dogs, one of her old ones died last season, that was sad. I think nutso Jac Laurita may have one. The Gorgas definitely do. Most of the Australian housewives do (both Melbourne and now Sydney, one of the Sydney hos has a snake b/c attention seeker). However, I feel so sorry for a lot of these pets. Many of them exist as accessories. I cringe watching animals treated like people or babies and not cared for properly. Also, a lot of passes are given to people who have a pet when perhaps a deeper look should be taken at who they truly are. My fingers itch to call Cesar Milan sometimes...

[AndySmith]

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No wonder she and ErICKa from RHOBH didn't get along.  They're too much alike. 

They are nothing alike lololol

[SweetieDarling]

10 hours ago, ChitChat said:

If Carole was that informed, she should've figured out that the mood of the country was shifting away from her candidate.  It wasn't difficult to see.  She said that she could read between the lines.  That's a bullshit answer to as why she's more informed than Ramona.  Yeah, Ramona is a nut, but for someone to stand there and tell her to her face that she basically can't read the paper was utterly insulting.   Carole failed to look outside her own little bubble to the bigger picture around her.  It's the same mistake her candidate made.  

FWIW, I liked LuAnn's party dress.  At least she followed the directions on the invitation!  Sonja's house is pretty.  I wouldn't like living next to a parking garage, but once you're inside the house, it's pretty swanky.

She might have cred, but I fail to see how that makes her an expert on all things political.   Geraldo did the same thing, but I take his political insights with a grain of salt.   What Carole lacks is the grace and humility to give others a chance to voice their opinion on the subject.  She shuts them down immediately.  RUDE!   I would think someone of her pedigree would be socially adept at navigating the do's and don'ts of discussing politics with friends. 

She may have been a journalist, but she was no investigative reporter.  If she were, she'd have noticed (as I did) that the poll numbers the employed professional journalists were citing did not match the  "she's winning by a landslide" words coming out of their more informed mouths, especially the closer we got to election day.

[SweetieDarling]

7 hours ago, biakbiak said:

Well Bethanny wanted people to remove their shoes to walk through the puppies area which I imagine has also been the site of accidents.

So they could get puppy poo and pee on their socks instead?

[sasha206]

3 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

For whatever reason, Carole seems to believe in this stuff. She said once that she hasn't always been a believer, but over the last few years it has given her comfort. We saw her do the Medium stuff with Heather and Dorinda a few seasons ago, which was about Anthony. I think it is all strange - the Medium stuff and all and always roll my eyes, but to some it is powerful stuff. Without knowing that CBK's family was upset, it's hard for me to have any outrage. Maybe there were fine with it. Maybe after all of these years they are happy to know that not everyone has forgotten that they lost a daughter (or two) on that terrible day. Maybe they don't like it, but respect that this terrible tragedy happened to Carole too. Respect that she was a part of CBK's life and has a right to her memories and feelings and to confront them how she likes. 

But on a cheap reality TV show? 

Why?  What is the real purpose of going on a TV show to contact a friend of yours?  A friend that you only knew for a short period of time?  Why didn't she stick to trying to conjure up her husband?

I think Mediums are the biggest con artists, but if she wanted to do all of that off camera, good for her.  I have a problem that she chose to get on a reality show to do this.  I can't find one altruistic reason to do this; instead it sounds like another famewhore move capitalizing on a friend's death.

Edited April 14, 2017 by sasha206

[WireWrap]

22 minutes ago, queenjen said:

I can't recall Kandi's dog/s? Probably taken a backseat now Ace is in the picture. Dolores Catania has dogs, one of her old ones died last season, that was sad. I think nutso Jac Laurita may have one. The Gorgas definitely do. Most of the Australian housewives do (both Melbourne and now Sydney, one of the Sydney hos has a snake b/c attention seeker). However, I feel so sorry for a lot of these pets. Many of them exist as accessories. I cringe watching animals treated like people or babies and not cared for properly. Also, a lot of passes are given to people who have a pet when perhaps a deeper look should be taken at who they truly are. My fingers itch to call Cesar Milan sometimes...

Here is Kandi's dog,

Here are Bethenny's pups a little older....

No picture of Cookie with the pups though, I wonder if she has accepted them at all?

[MerryMary]

I can't believe that Carole is gullible enough to believe in mediums (media?).  They're all the same.  

[WireWrap]

8 hours ago, biakbiak said:

Well Bethanny wanted people to remove their shoes to walk through the puppies area which I imagine has also been the site of accidents.

I get the feeling that Bethenny had her staff clean and sanitize any accidents that pups had right away, unlike Sonja/her crew more relaxed outlook. LOL

[motorcitymom65]

43 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

Respectfully, Carole doesn't know this, unless she was with Ramona 24/7.  It's an assumption on Carole's part, IMO.  Carol has a very pompous "I'm right and you're wrong" attitude, and I find that offensive.  I especially hate when people think they know what I know or have experienced, and then try to tell me what they think I don't know!   Carole had to be pretty annoying for Bethenny to have said something about it.  At least with Bethenny she didn't try to engage Carole about the candidates, but instead tried to get her to shut up before she alienated everybody. 

But wouldn't it surprise you to know that Carole doesn't know this about Ramona after 5 years? I can easily tell you the friends (even semi-friends) that pay any attention to the news or who care and follow politics. It would be shocking to me that after years of traveling together, spending 5 months at a time together both in large groups and in smaller settings (in the first years of the show we saw Ramona and Carole together one on one quite often) that nothing had come up to make Carole aware of Ramona's attention span regarding current events. Small talk in general often gives a person this awareness. I've never seen Ramona in person, met her, or brushed up against her, and I can tell you from my living room outside of Detroit, Mi that Ramona is not paying attention to the news. She has shown zero awareness or concern of matters that don't directly impact her. She didn't remember that she had met the gal at Sonja's before. Last season she couldn't be bothered to remember Avery's friend and acted like she was meeting her for the first time. Avery had to remind Ramona that this gal had been at their home for Spring Break the year before. Ramona's response in her TH was what it always is: "I'm just too busy to keep up with all of this and I meet so many people". I highly doubt part of what keeps her busy is staying riveted to political news. 

[QuinnM]

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I get the feeling that Bethenny had her staff clean and sanitize any accidents that pups had right away, unlike Sonja/her crew more relaxed outlook. LOL

As the snapchat reporter:

Nope, she's very clear on Snap that staff do not do dog clean up.  That is her responsibility.  I figured that that is why some folks have dogs that poop every place.  If you don't clean it up you won't be invested in getting them trained.  Cookie was having a health problem and the silk rug went out to John's fancy cleaners for clean up.  Judging from her cleaning then I can pretty much guarantee that those puppies pee and poop was gone before it hit the floor.  The gates were in a different place while potty training.  So I bet they are trained now. 

Cookie mostly sleeps.  The dogs have been slowly introduced.  They are now often all on her bed together.  I think they still are separated during feeding.  At one point the puppies went to sleep away camp for training and she said that one of the things that they would be working on was teaching the puppies how to be nice to Cookie.  Poor Cookie is like almost 17 years old. 

[WireWrap]

6 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

As the snapchat reporter:

Nope, she's very clear on Snap that staff do not do dog clean up.  That is her responsibility.  I figured that that is why some folks have dogs that poop every place.  If you don't clean it up you won't be invested in getting them trained.  Cookie was having a health problem and the silk rug went out to John's fancy cleaners for clean up.  Judging from her cleaning then I can pretty much guarantee that those puppies pee and poop was gone before it hit the floor.  The gates were in a different place while potty training.  So I bet they are trained now. 

Cookie mostly sleeps.  The dogs have been slowly introduced.  They are now often all on her bed together.  I think they still are separated during feeding.  At one point the puppies went to sleep away camp for training and she said that one of the things that they would be working on was teaching the puppies how to be nice to Cookie.  Poor Cookie is like almost 17 years old. 

Good to hear. We adopted a GS pup last year and it took our then 15 year old Malt a little while to accept her. He is blind/deaf and we never left him alone with her until she learned to leave him alone. Now she helps him navigate the house and protects him from our male cat when the cat is in a mischievous mood. Oh, and she allows him to still rule the roost! LOL I may not care much for Bethenny but I love how much she loves/treats Cookie.

[SweetieDarling]

12 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

At one point the puppies went to sleep away camp for training and she said that one of the things that they would be working on was teaching the puppies how to be nice to Cookie

Beth should have gone with them for this part of the training.  She could use some help in the "being nice to others" department.

[njbchlover]

1 hour ago, QuinnM said:

Yes, I would totally miss Ramona.  But seriously Bethenny told her 1.5 twitter followers, her 1.2 Instagram followers and who knows on Snapchat.  What she didn't do was text her bestie Ramona.  But I don't see Ramona in her life when they're not filming so I guess B made the mistake of thinking Ramona only cared during RHONY season.  Or maybe Ramona thinks she's like the Godfather and all of the other housewives are like minions?  But seriously you walk through the small caged area where there are dogs and never even mention the dogs? 

Also I remember Dorinda when she came in once saw the shoes at the door and mentioned that she had gone to no shoes in her place too after some article in the Post or something.  So no shoes at B's isn't new but 2 small dogs are.  But this is Ramona and she can't be bothered with these details in her minions life.

I'm not on Twitter or Snapchat, and don't follow Bethenny on Instagram, but I would assume Ramona does follow Bethenny on those social media sites.  So, if Bethenny blasted the puppies all over her social media, chances are that Ramona already knew about them, no? 

I'm thinking Ramona was aware that Bethenny adopted the two new puppies, and ignored them on purpose, because she was pissed that Bethenny didn't send her a personal puppy announcement.  Ramona had a bit of an attitude with Bethenny about the puppies, and it was evident in her talking head comments about Bethenny only wanting to be friends with someone when she needs something or it is convenient for Bethenny.  (I was wondering if Jill Zarin was watching and when she heard Ramona make those comments, Jill was yelling at her TV "See - I was right about Bethenny - finally, I'm validated!!)

Edited April 14, 2017 by njbchlover

[Jel]

9 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Good to hear. We adopted a GS pup last year and it took our then 15 year old Malt a little while to accept her. He is blind/deaf and we never left him alone with her until she learned to leave him alone. Now she helps him navigate the house and protects him from our male cat when the cat is in a mischievous mood. Oh, and she allows him to still rule the roost! LOL I may not care much for Bethenny but I love how much she loves/treats Cookie.

That is the sweetest thing I have read in this forum, ever! :) Sounds like you did an excellent job with the introductions, WireWrap.

(My bias, but I think you can tell a lot about a person by how they treat their animals.)

[WireWrap]

4 minutes ago, Jel said:

That is the sweetest thing I have read in this forum, ever! :) Sounds like you did an excellent job with the introductions, WireWrap.

(My bias, but I think you can tell a lot about a person by how they treat their animals.)

Thank You.

[Jel]

2 hours ago, ChitChat said:

I believe that Carole thinks she knows more than anybody else about the election.  Yeah, she has more political connections and is in the know, but it is so very rude to engage someone about politics and then tell them why you think they're wrong. 

The point isn't whether Ramona is smart or not (I do believe she has the business smarts to have made it this far, even though her appearances on camera say otherwise), it's about Carole showing some class by trying to have a civil conversation without going straight into condescending mode.  We all read the same news stories the past year, and we all came up with our own view on said stories.  That doesn't make me right and you wrong, and vice versa.   Carole should've kept her yap shut during parties, unless she was with a group of like-minded folks.   I'm not among the elite society, but this average Joe is smart enough to know that if I started talking to someone about the election, I'd start off with something like "Wow!  This is a crazy campaign season."  Then I'd let them say something, and I'd know right away which side of the aisle they were on.  It's called reading the room (or person), then either shutting your own yap, or proceeding with the conversation without offending the other person.

Might I offer up to Carole what I had to write on every history test I took in 9th grade (41 years ago, and I still remember it): Tact:  A keen discernment of what to do or say when dealing with others without giving offense. 

That is fantastic -- and Bethenny needs to write that out a few thousand times herself. And Ramona.  Some of these women seem to think it's okay across the board if tact is the casualty of "being direct and honest". It really isn't. 

[Mojoker]

  1 hour ago, queenjen said:

Does Bethenny know how ridiculous and insulting she is with appropriating her pets' names? she should have just called them Manolo and Louis like every other housewife. I wonder what Heather would say?

Let's not forget that she told a room full of entrepreneurial women that she has a kinship with black women because she is loud and that they should hire white men as the face of their company.  OH, and it's good to sleep with men for start up capital.  This woman is absolutely the lowest!!  So, appropriation is by far not her greatest sin and everyone loves her cuz she's so awesome (in her mind). 

No wonder she and ErICKa from RHOBH didn't get along.  They're too much alike. 

Who did she say those things to, and when? Is there some video of that?

[Otherkate]

27 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Good to hear. We adopted a GS pup last year and it took our then 15 year old Malt a little while to accept her. He is blind/deaf and we never left him alone with her until she learned to leave him alone. Now she helps him navigate the house and protects him from our male cat when the cat is in a mischievous mood. Oh, and she allows him to still rule the roost! LOL I may not care much for Bethenny but I love how much she loves/treats Cookie.

This is so impressive! I just got my first puppy last month, so I now know how much goes into training them to do pretty much anything. We're still gated and working on potty training, lord help me.

I follow B on snapchat too and she does strike me as a pretty responsible and loving pet owner.

[Mojoker]

  1 hour ago, QuinnM said:

Yes, I would totally miss Ramona.  But seriously Bethenny told her 1.5 twitter followers, her 1.2 Instagram followers and who knows on Snapchat.  What she didn't do was text her bestie Ramona.  But I don't see Ramona in her life when they're not filming so I guess B made the mistake of thinking Ramona only cared during RHONY season.  Or maybe Ramona thinks she's like the Godfather and all of the other housewives are like minions?  But seriously you walk through the small caged area where there are dogs and never even mention the dogs? 

Also I remember Dorinda when she came in once saw the shoes at the door and mentioned that she had gone to no shoes in her place too after some article in the Post or something.  So no shoes at B's isn't new but 2 small dogs are.  But this is Ramona and she can't be bothered with these details in her minions life.

I'm not on Twitter or Snapchat, and don't follow Bethenny on Instagram, but I would assume Ramona does follow Bethenny on those social media sites.  So, if Bethenny blasted the puppies all over her social media, chances are that Ramona already knew about them, no? 

I'm thinking Ramona was aware that Bethenny adopted the two new puppies, and ignored them on purpose, because she was pissed that Bethenny didn't send her a personal puppy announcement.  Ramona had a bit of an attitude with Bethenny about the puppies, and it was evident in her talking head comments about Bethenny only wanting to be friends with someone when she needs something or it is convenient for Bethenny.  (I was wondering if Jill Zarin was watching and when she heard Ramona make those comments, Jill was yelling at her TV "See - I was right about Bethenny - finally, I'm validated!!)

The thing is, Ramona's been saying the same thing about Bethenny since Bethenny was first successful. It kind of works both ways. The minute Bethenny was no longer the poor, struggling thing in need of Ramona's wisdom and guidance (which was really condescension in disguise), Ramona pretty much lost interest in Bethenny and kept looking for ways to subtly undermine her confidence. I don't blame Bethenny for not being tight with Ramona. It comes at a price.