S07.E16: The First Day of the Rest of Your Life

[smorbie]

8 minutes ago, Lady Iris said:

Lol! Shitty acting? Poor kid has barely had a mouthful of words to speak this 2nd half of the season. Personally I cant believe he still has the hat and that its still holding up.

I didn't mind this season finale. Shit-ton better than the torture porn of last season's I'll tell ya that. Plus I did get a kick out of Rick slowly backing away when Jadis propositioned him, like, "No thanks lady, Ima pass on that."

The torture porn was actually the first show of this season.  Last year's finale was just all of them kneeling while Ol Bendy wound his way onto the scene

Just now, riverheightsnancy said:

In terms of going forward, I am hoping that Eugene is now under suspicion and THAT is what gets him back over to CDB and taking out Negan. While they have been setting up Rick to kill Negan (which is way too on the nose for me), I would like it to be Eugene. He gets crapped on at Alexandria and they expect him to be loyal. Lots of people (especially Rosita) have used him as an emotional dumping ground, berate him, yell at him-a person can only take so much. I would love for the meek to take out the powerful. 

I've always thought that about Alexandria.  The people there took all his knowledge for granted and kept pushing him for more.  Well, maybe that's his contribution.  He's never going to be a fighter.  It's a square peg in a round hole.  He's better utilized as a one-man think tank.  

[TigerLynx]

2 minutes ago, smorbie said:

I think the fear was there because he realized Rick will never quit.  He can take everything Rick has, his children, his hands, his woman, his health, and Rick. Won't.Quit.  He had a moment of understanding that.  It's true he had the upper hand.  But, Rick is hard and stubborn and he won't be cowed again.  A smarter man would have killed Rick.

Negan's not smart.  He's just brutal and lucky.  I think Negan likes/liked Carl, Sasha, Daryl, etc., because they are fighters and they stand up to him, but it's about his own ego.  Negan wants to break Rick's group, and have them be his fighters.  Once Negan realized he couldn't break Rick, he would have killed him.  This is one of the many things that has gone wrong with the show.  There are to many stupid people doing dumb things over and over again, and accomplishing nothing.

[smorbie]

In not killing him, or defeating him decisively in this skirmish, they are just following the comics.  Remember, Kirkman is ultimately in charge.  And since Gimple took over they have been (according to him) trying to keep closely to the source material.  

I didn't expect them to win the battle, cause I thought they lost the initial skirmish in the comics.  So, I was happy to see the hind end of Jabber Jaws as he retreated.

[LadyMustang65]

10 minutes ago, Dobian said:

The writers never should have written that showdown that way in the first place, it ruined Rick as a character for good. 

Maybe for you.  Not for me.  I loved that at that moment when Rick was about to lose so much, he still refused to give Negan what he wanted most - Rick truly subdued, cowed and afraid.  Negan gets off on people being terrified of him, and Rick would not give him that.  For Negan it's all part of the game.  He doesn't kill Rick because he wants, maybe needs, to break Rick.  So he'll kill Carl, he'll chop off Rick's hands, but he won't kill Rick until Rick completely surrenders to him.  And I loved that last bit of defiance in Rick.  Yeah, he's had zero luck so far, but he is not going to give in, he is not going to give up.  As long as there is breath in his lungs, he will fight.  And because we know what Rick is capable of, I'm looking forward to the moment when Negan knows he's a dead man.

[smorbie]

15 hours ago, Samsnee said:

When are people going to realize that Rick is a pretty shitty leader?

He's not.  He's just not perfect.  He doesn't have the luxury of knowing what will happen.  He's doing the best he can with information and the resources he has at hand.

There are times I disagreed with him, and he's made some mistakes, sure.  But walking in his shoes, I'm not sure I would have done anything differently.

15 hours ago, AimingforYoko said:

[Sarcasm]Boy, was that episode worth the extra 25 minutes. [/Sarcasm]

What?  You didn't find a car you wanted or a new cell plan to switch to?

[TattleTeeny]

Quote

2.  Everyone's dripping sweat, but Sascha insists she'd like a little alone time and she'll be cozier riding along snuggled down inside a closed padded casket, with a tarp draped on top.

Well, to be fair, considering her plan (which I dug), the issue of climate was a moot point.

[smorbie]

15 hours ago, Boofish said:

Put me down in the column for the win. I loved it and now I sit and wait for October. 

I'm happy everyone is alive and well for now - the tiger, man bun, bald black guy, Francine, Tobin, JERRY, kingdom chick who lost her sister, Rick, FPP, black hilltop chick who wanted to learn how to fight. My heart is full

Edited to add - line of the night once again goes to Negan "the widow is alive guns ablazing" LMAO

Who is FPP?

[Anela]

15 hours ago, Macbeth said:

Rick never has a viable plan, but he has been known to rip the throat out of someone who has threatened Carl  Where has that Rick gone?

He was always good in a fight but now he is a neutered rabid dog.

Shiva stole his move. Lucky for him.

 

15 hours ago, patty1h said:

Is there some significance to that toy soldier that Daryl found with the words "didn't know" on it?  Wonder who left it there.

Eugene, Jadis and Dwight are giant scumbags.  That is all.  

*Funny - auto correct changed scumbags to cymbals.  Giant cymbals... okay.

 

14 hours ago, MrsRafaelBarba said:

Dwight.

 

He didn't know that the GPK were in cahoots with Negan.

I didn't see the toy soldier. I was also wondering why Dwight did nothing, and where he disappeared to. 

I was wondering why Rick didn't shoot Jadis, and why he was just kneeling there as Negan was going to kill Carl??? I guess they needed a good shot of the tiger, and a real surprise for Negan (as he backed away, saying, "that's a goddamned tiger!"). It was nice seeing him surprised a few times. The tiger, Sasha (who even in death, helped them, and almost killed Negan), and then Maggie. 

As for good guys versus bad: Shiva knew Daryl, and had "met" Rick and some of the others, so I thought she went after the guys threatening Rick. She missed the main one, though!

I didn't think the episode was great, and I was ready for Eugene to to go, when he said that he was Negan, and was there to see another person die. 

I was confused by Maggie and Sasha sitting there in the strange light on that log. I guess to highlight their friendship, and Maggie "putting her  down" at the end. 

[Bryce Lynch]

1 hour ago, Jel said:

I think Michonne is the most nuanced, multi-dimensional character in the show, (and she's far from useless for having lost a fight). But, the one thing that is not nuanced about her is her outstanding fighting skills.  It's true she is not a super hero, but for this episode she suddenly, conveniently, loses a fight and very badly, rendering her useless in the Alexandrian's big struggle.  When has Michonne ever been a non-factor before? To me, it was cheap. 

I agree, except Michonne IS a superhero.  :)

Maybe the writers are continuing the "Michonne's love for Rick is making her soft" angle, that we saw at the carnival, when she started crying a dropped her sword when she thought Rick was being devoured.

[Anela]

Just now, smorbie said:

Who is FPP?

Father Pee Pants. The Priest.

[smorbie]

oh.  LOL!  Although, he's toughed up now and is more like Friar Tuck, no?

[TigerLynx]

3 minutes ago, LadyMustang65 said:

Maybe for you.  Not for me.  I loved that at that moment when Rick was about to lose so much, he still refused to give Negan what he wanted most - Rick truly subdued, cowed and afraid.  Negan gets off on people being terrified of him, and Rick would not give him that.  For Negan it's all part of the game.  He doesn't kill Rick because he wants, maybe needs, to break Rick.  So he'll kill Carl, he'll chop off Rick's hands, but he won't kill Rick until Rick completely surrenders to him.  And I loved that last bit of defiance in Rick.  Yeah, he's had zero luck so far, but he is not going to give in, he is not going to give up.  As long as there is breath in his lungs, he will fight.  And because we know what Rick is capable of, I'm looking forward to the moment when Negan knows he's a dead man.

It's because I know what Rick and his group are capable of, that I was disappointed in how this played out, and how other things have played out over this season.  I wouldn't expect them to take out Negan immediately, although if someone would at least put a muzzle on Negan I would be very grateful, but the road to this point could have been so much better.  The writers keep turning to many people into incompetent idiots in order to NOT move the plot along, and it is annoying.

[smorbie]

15 hours ago, patty1h said:

Is there some significance to that toy soldier that Daryl found with the words "didn't know" on it?  Wonder who left it there.

Eugene, Jadis and Dwight are giant scumbags.  That is all.  

*Funny - auto correct changed scumbags to cymbals.  Giant cymbals... okay.

Dwight carves toy soldiers so the inference is he left it to tell Rick and the group that he didn't know about the betrayal of the heapsters.  I believe him, but that's kind of a problem because as negan's right-hand man, he should have privy to that information, wouldn't you think?  Makes me wonder how far in the loop he is these days.

[Bryce Lynch]

Just now, smorbie said:

Who is FPP?

Sergeant Carver...I mean Father Gabriel.  I believe it stands for "Father Pee-pee Pants".

[Boofish]

4 minutes ago, smorbie said:

Who is FPP?

Gabriel - AKA Father Pee Pants because of his fraidy cat persona in the beginning

[mrspidey]

A servicable season finale. Those 24 extra minutes weren't really needed as I could have done without all that lame Schrödinger's Sasha stuff. Her fate was sealed the moment Sonequa signed up for Star Trek. 

Didn't need to see Abe again either...

Probs, though, for not leaving us hanging with the Clocktower cliffhanger, as I had initially feared. Guess they learned from all the bad fallout from last year. 

Edited April 3, 2017 by mrspidey

[DonitsYum]

15 hours ago, AngelaHunter said:

I must say, I got a bit sniffly at Sasha's demise. She died for nothing at all.

 

Agreed.  However Sonequa Martin-Green is on to bigger and better things (and probably better writing!) with the new Star Trek series.  Good for her.  I will miss her.

Edited April 3, 2017 by DonitsYum
because Sonequa Martin-Green deserves to have her name spelled correctly

[Dobian]

3 minutes ago, TigerLynx said:

It's because I know what Rick and his group are capable of, that I was disappointed in how this played out, and how other things have played out over this season.  I wouldn't expect them to take out Negan immediately, although if someone would at least put a muzzle on Negan I would be very grateful, but the road to this point could have been so much better.  The writers keep turning to many people into incompetent idiots in order to NOT move the plot along, and it is annoying.

Yeah, the bottom line is that Rick failed.  It was the serendipitous arrival of Hilltop and Kingdom that bailed him out.  I didn't expect him to completely defeat Negan either, but I expected to see him fight and win the battle, not be subdued again.  Defiance means nothing if you are letting your son be executed and your hands chopped off and your entire community disarmed, and your oppressors now know what you've been up to so they will never allow you to re-arm again.  I don't care about Rick's revenge on Negan anymore.  Really, I am more invested in Ezekiel taking Negan's head now because at least Ezekiel showed he is competent, and actually took Negan by surprise.

[smorbie]

15 hours ago, Bryce Lynch said:

I don't think I will be back for another season of Neagan's speech making and Jadis' "trash talk".

I was SO hoping she was one of the people who died.  I've tried to remember whether I saw her body, but I guess from your statement she was one the heapsters booking it out on the garbage truck.  Sigh.....Her. Hate. Me.  See, I can talk just like her.

[uoflfan]

I freaking love that tiger. Long live Shiva!

Also, Ezekial may be the smartest leader we've seen. Not only did the majority of his people not know about the Saviors but the Saviors didn't know about Shiva. I doubt Negan will be pleased that Gavin apparently never went into The Kingdom.

[DonitsYum]

This entire monotonous storyline could have been cured if Shiva had just jumped onto Negan and tore his head off.  Scratch that...tore his vocal chords out first so he couldn't monologue anymore. This show is stupid.

[smorbie]

2 minutes ago, uoflfan said:

I freaking love that tiger. Long live Shiva!

Also, Ezekial may be the smartest leader we've seen. Not only did the majority of his people not know about the Saviors but the Saviors didn't know about Shiva. I doubt Negan will be pleased that Gavin apparently never went into The Kingdom.

I agree about everything you said. I love Shiva and was so worried about her.  And I love Ezekiel.  He's great.  He had a few cheesy lines, but he pulled them off because you would expect his character to be a bit cheesy. 

And I've often wondered whether Negan really knew anything much about the way Gavin was handling the Kingdom. 

20 minutes ago, Bryce Lynch said:

I agree, except Michonne IS a superhero.  :)

Maybe the writers are continuing the "Michonne's love for Rick is making her soft" angle, that we saw at the carnival, when she started crying a dropped her sword when she thought Rick was being devoured.

She's not soft.  She has PTSD. She lost her baby and it closed her off for so long.  Then she found Carl.  And then Rick.  She finally allowed herself to love again and thinking Rick had died brought it all back.  How a person can live with that much grief is just beyond my comprehension.

[Trillian]

I laughed when they did the closeup of the first dead guy (Alexandrian?) who was literally wearing a red shirt.

[uoflfan]

  6 minutes ago, uoflfan said:

I freaking love that tiger. Long live Shiva!

Also, Ezekial may be the smartest leader we've seen. Not only did the majority of his people not know about the Saviors but the Saviors didn't know about Shiva. I doubt Negan will be pleased that Gavin apparently never went into The Kingdom.

I agree about everything you said. I love Shiva and was so worried about her.  And I love Ezekiel.  He's great.  He had a few cheesy lines, but he pulled them off because you would expect his character to be a bit cheesy. 

And I've often wondered whether Negan really knew anything much about the way Gavin was handling the Kingdom. 

I sincerely doubt Negan will approve of how Gavin handled The Kingdom. Gavin may be getting an iron to the face or a toss into the furnace.

I loved Negan's "a goddamn tiger". You know he was thinking "what the fuck?"

[smorbie]

All I could think is why was he still talking?????

SHUT UP!  SHUT UP!  SHUT UP!

[Gobi]

I did enjoy two small touches in this episode. The dead ASZhat lying in the street,  wearing a red shirt. And the sign back at the sanctuary announcing how many days since the last workplace injury; guess that gets reset to zero, now.

Why was there no plan for the Allies to recognize each other? Presumably, each group would know its own members (giving the saviors an advantage), but the Allies would not know the others. They should have been wearing colored armbands, or some other form of ID. And not the same color, but different colors for each group. 

Furthermore, Rick should have given the GPK unloaded guns, just to be safe. He could say "you get ammo when I'm ready to give it to you."

Of course, either of those things would require, you know, planning.

Edited April 3, 2017 by Gobi

[magemaud]

I've been the last holdout of all my friends who stopped watching TWD a few seasons ago so this forum became my only source of discussion of the episodes. I kept thinking that it might regain its former glory and again be the show I couldn't wait to watch each Sunday night. I don't like to give up on a program that I've invested so many HOURS in watching and then rehashing, but after last night, I'm DONE! Maybe I'll continue to catch up on things from time to time here on the forum where the posters are far more entertaining, but I just hit the delete button on my DVR's series programming. 

[Mrs Tvbug]

That was a self-indulgent emo shit show.

[TigerLynx]

I don't believe the writer's line about following the comics.  I haven't read the comics, but I do know that there are things on screen now that NEVER happened in the comics.  As well as things in the comics, that never happen on screen.

I don't have a problem with someone being able to fight Michonne.  However, junkyard idiot was beating the crap out of Michonne, and then the next thing we are shown is her being splat on the ground.  There couldn't have been a few seconds showing Michonne marshaling her reserves, and tossing the dimwit over the balcony?  Negan yaks forever, Morgan/Zeke have another pointless philosophical chat fest, Eugene yaks, and then Negan drones on again, but not a single scene of Michonne trying to teach junkyard idiot how to fly and junkyard idiot failing miserably.

[smorbie]

4 minutes ago, Gobi said:

I did enjoy two small touches in this episode. The dead ASZhat lying in the street,  wearing a red shirt. And the sign back at the sanctuary announcing how many days since the last workplace injury; guess that gets reset to zero, now.

Why was there no plan for the Allies to recognize each other? Presumably, each group would know its own members (giving the saviors an advantage), but the Allies would not know the others. They should have been wearing colored armbands, or some other form of ID. And not the same color, but different colors for each group. 

Furthermore, Rick should have given the GPK unloaded guns, just to be safe. He could say "you get ammo when I'm ready to give it to you."

Of course, either of those things would require, you know, planning.

Neither the Kingdom nor Hilltop was supposed to be there.  As far as Rick knew it was just the Alexandriates and the Heapsters.

4 minutes ago, TigerLynx said:

I don't believe the writer's line about following the comics.  I haven't read the comics, but I do know that there are things on screen now that NEVER happened in the comics.  As well as things in the comics, that never happen on screen.

I don't have a problem with someone being able to fight Michonne.  However, junkyard idiot was beating the crap out of Michonne, and then the next thing we are shown is her being splat on the ground.  There couldn't have been a few seconds showing Michonne marshaling her reserves, and tossing the dimwit over the balcony?  Negan yaks forever, Morgan/Zeke have another pointless philosophical chat fest, Eugene yaks, and then Negan drones on again, but not a single scene of Michonne trying to teach junkyard idiot how to fly and junkyard idiot failing miserably.

They wanted people to believe, as Rick did, that it was Michonne who lost her life.  It was a stylistic choice. I liked it.

[DonitsYum]

15 hours ago, BloatedGuppy said:

Woof. Well, there's your half-season over. From tip to tail this entire Negan run has been an unmitigated disaster, but I'm actually kind of shocked at how quickly (and badly) it has gone completely off the rails in the 2nd half. Where to start...

...[snip everything you said  - and it was all right on the money]...

Anyway, that closes the book on my bitching for another season.

I haven't watched Talking Dead yet and I don't know who the guests were but if it's Gimple and he tries to smugly explain this crap away AGAIN, I'll riot.

[Gobi]

1 minute ago, smorbie said:

Neither the Kingdom nor Hilltop was supposed to be there.  As far as Rick knew it was just the Alexandriates and the Heapsters.

That just shifts it from Rick to Zeke and Maggie. They needed a way to distinguish the ASZhats from the Saviors, and themselves from the Saviors. At some point in the various meetings the issue should have been raised "Well, if you do decide to join us, this is how we'll recognize each other."

And how about sending a rider on horseback (or in a car, both groups have them) ahead for some recon?

[AngelaHunter]

57 minutes ago, smorbie said:

The writers don't know how to write for young people.  Enid suffers from the same thing.  

They don't know how to write, period! Not for young people and not for older people who are feeling or saying or doing anything other than barking orders or outlining strategies on how to blow shit up.

[Ohwell]

1 hour ago, smorbie said:

I'm particularly enjoying all the comments about how "obvious" it was that the heapsters were going to double cross Rick. if it were that obvious, the people would have been talking about it before. But, no one mentioned it.

Well, to be fair, some of us read the spoiler thread, so that's why we said it was "obvious."

[Anela]

I've just watched the clip of the battle, on facebook. So Jadis had one of her men send up a flare, one of her people set off a smoke bomb, and they escaped. 

Morgan took a stick to a gun fight, but he killed a guy who was right behind Rick, with the sharp end of that stick, grabbed his gun, and started shooting. 

2 minutes ago, Ohwell said:

Well, to be fair, some of us read the spoiler thread, so that's why we said it was "obvious."

I read the spoiler thread, but Jadis was iffy before. 

Speaking of which: I wonder how Rick's hand healed up so quickly, unless I missed him favouring it. 

[Anela]

I would have preferred them to end last week's episode with Sasha in the coffin, taking that pill, then starting this episode with their arrival at Alexandria. Ending with something different, like Negan being dead, or at least having lost. 

[Ottis]

12 hours ago, millennium said:

Frustrating episode.   After a whole season of nothing but foreplay, every POS walks away unscathed.

This is why I stopped watching 3 seasons ago (now I only read these posts after the season opener and season ender, hoping vainly to see a change - nope). This show is stuck in an endless loop that started with The Gov, stayed briefly in the prison, included the cannibals, went through Alexandria and now this. Every group they meet creates conflict. Every conflict kills some characters. No one learns anything. When the survivors get free, they just run into conflict again, and repeat. There is no purpose to TWD, and hasn't been for at least 3-4 seasons.

[meep.meep]

4 hours ago, Tony said:

Of course Negan has to run mouth for about a third of the episode.

I'm ready for someone to take out Eugene now.

I find Eugene's talking, where he says a lot of words in a confusing and obtuse manner, but rarely gets to the point, to be just as aweful as Negan's

How did Judith get to Hilltop when a few episodes ago she was with Tara in Alexandria, and before that with Negan and Carl in Alexandria.

[Dobian]

When I look back at that scene with Negan and Rick I keep thinking about the black knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

* Negan bashes Carl's head in

Rick:  I'm gonna kill you Negan!  Yer already dead!

Negan: But I just killed your boy.

Rick: I don't care, yer a dead man, Negan!

* Negan chops off Rick's left hand

Rick: Come on and fight me Negan, I'll beat you with my one good hand!

* Negan chops off Rick's other hand

Negan: Look you stupid bastard, you can't fight me now, you have no hands!

Rick: It's just a flesh wound!  Come on then, I'll kick you in yer nuts, Negan!

* Negan chops off Rick's left leg, Rick starts hopping around on one leg

Rick: Come on, Negan, what're ya waiting for?  Chicken?

* Negan chops off Rick's other leg, then turns and walks away.

Rick: Oh, I see. Running away, eh? You yellow bastard! Come back here and take what's coming to you! I'll bite your legs off!

Edited April 3, 2017 by Dobian

[Timetoread]

1 hour ago, smorbie said:

I think the fear was there because he realized Rick will never quit.  He can take everything Rick has, his children, his hands, his woman, his health, and Rick. Won't.Quit.  He had a moment of understanding that.  It's true he had the upper hand.  But, Rick is hard and stubborn and he won't be cowed again.  A smarter man would have killed Rick.

I don't think Negan felt fear, but I think, for the first time he was truly worried.  Negan has known who Rick was all along.  As have we, which is why I was so shocked to see how many people turned on Rick because he cowed to Negan the first time around.  Rick is not a fearful man - certainly not for his own safety or because of the size and strength of a foe.  Negan may be a man who will beat a man to death with a bat, but Rick will chop a man up with a machete, or gut a man from groin to nipple with a knife, or pull out a jugular with his teeth.  Rick is nobody's punk.  Rick submitted to Negan - after an entire night of bloodshed and threats and humiliation - because he couldn't see any other way to save the rest of his people and most importantly, his son.  That is not fear, that is having sense.  If Rick had given Negan the finger and they shot all of CDB, everybody would have been mad about that too, just like they were mad at Daryl for punching Negan which ended in him killing Glen.  There was no winning, only degrees of losing.

But Negan walked out of that camper and called Rick by name.  By the time the Saviors devised a trap for CDB they had collectively killed 5 separate bands of Negan's group, about 50 men or more.  That CDB, aka Alexandria, is formidable is something Negan had already gleaned.  And game knows game.  He knows Rick is pureblooded alpha.  He. Does. Not. Submit.  He doesn't know how, it's not in him.  Negan had only one card to play - Carl.  The last time he played it, Rick folded.  This time he played it and Rick told him what he could suck on.  So that look on Negan's face was him doing the math on the CDB situation.  He could kill Rick, supposedly cutting the head off the snake, but CBD just grows more heads.  They follow Rick, but only because they want to.  ALL of them are formidable - the women, the children, and the priests.  All are wildcards.  Every day Negan encounters another CDB acting on their own, without Rick's knowledge.  His plan was to control the rest by controlling Rick, but Rick can no longer be controlled.  He's full of piss and is a cop on the case.  He won't stop until it's closed.  Rick will not stop until Negan is dead.  Period.  He is a worthy opponent and I'd wager that Negan was secretly as impressed as he was concerned.  He looked at Rick and saw his own death.

[Anela]

6 minutes ago, meep.meep said:

I find Eugene's talking, where he says a lot of words in a confusing and obtuse manner, but rarely gets to the point, to be just as aweful as Negan's

How did Judith get to Hilltop when a few episodes ago she was with Tara in Alexandria, and before that with Negan and Carl in Alexandria.

I wondered how she got there, too. I guess someone took her to Hilltop, after they were told that Negan was coming for them, the next day. 

I did love seeing Shiva fly out of nowhere - twice. Didn't see her leave, so I hope she's okay. 

[LadyMustang65]

1 hour ago, smorbie said:

My only problem with the fight and the scream announcing someone's death was that Negan somehow knew it was Michonne.  How could he have known she was involved in that fight?  They were too far away to see.

I don't think Negan knew it was Michonne.  He saw Rick react to the scream, and then he said "you just lost someone."  But I didn't get any sense that he knew it was Michonne or even that Rick and Michonne were a couple.  He just heard the scream, saw Rick's reaction, and put two and two together.

[Timetoread]

23 minutes ago, Ohwell said:

Well, to be fair, some of us read the spoiler thread, so that's why we said it was "obvious."

I wasn't spoiled.  I just felt that the whole thing was so one sided.  The Dumpsters hadn't shown any real motivation or what they would get out of going to war with some unmet force.  Any motivation they had seemed to be simply mercenary.  Such people will always go for the best deal, so the fact that Negan had more to offer makes sense.  What shocked me is that while I knew they would back stab, I thought Rick would have figured as much.  He's good at reading people, so I thought he'd read that situation correctly - especially when Jadis was constantly asking for more and renegotiating just for fun. 

26 minutes ago, AngelaHunter said:

They don't know how to write, period! Not for young people and not for older people who are feeling or saying or doing anything other than barking orders or outlining strategies on how to blow shit up.

This right here!  I keep asking Gimple to hire me.  I dont' think I could possibly be worse than what they already have.  And I could help them out some on their representation of black people, women people, and black women people.  They truly suck in all of those departments.

[ghoulina]

2 hours ago, ShadowSixx said:

I'm shipping for them to die together

Amen. They (Rosita and Darly) can take their overreacting, glowering, mopey asses on a long walk right off a short pier. TIRED of those two. 

 

2 hours ago, ShadowSixx said:

If I was to ship any couple it would be Aaron and Jesus. Aaron needs to get rid of that useless bf of his.

Amen again. What is Erik doing there??? Any time I see him holding a gun I just start to snicker. He must have a pact with the gods to still be alive at this point. 

 

2 hours ago, smorbie said:

This is the Rodney Dangerfield of shows. It gets no respect, and yet.. people are still here every week complaining about it. It's the fashionable thing to do.

I have never once in my life watched a show because it was "fashionable". I can't speak for others, but I'm still here week after week because I invested a lot in this show. I fell in LOVE with the early seasons. I think season 4 was maybe one of the strongest. For years it was doing a lot of things right. But it's been going downhill for the last few seasons. I complain because I know the potential it had, and it sucks to see what it's become. I'm still here because I do care about these characters (some of them) and I want to see how things end for them. 

Many posters here are from Television Without Pity, which was a snark forum. Hatewatching is a very real thing, and this isn't going to have the same tone as a fan site would. 

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1 minute ago, LadyMustang65 said:

I don't think Negan knew it was Michonne.  He saw Rick react to the scream, and then he said "you just lost someone."  But I didn't get any sense that he knew it was Michonne or even that Rick and Michonne were a couple.  He just heard the scream, saw Rick's reaction, and put two and two together.

Actually he probably did know and in fact it was probably choreographed.  Negan figured out that Michonne was Rick's woman from that time he took her deer.  Also Jadis, with her "I'll take your man" BS, most likely told him that they were a couple and very lovey dovey at this point.  I bet they chose their best female fighter to be up there with Michonne because Michonne would fight like hell to save Rick.  Negan knew that Michonne was not front and center for the "war" because she was being detained and he knew her position.  The scream came from there and he fleetingly thought this would be enough to stop Rick.

[tricknasty]

I don't want my beautiful Aaron with Eric or Jesus. He is mine! I know he isn't into women. I don't care. Loved him and his afro this ep.

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1 hour ago, smorbie said:

Poor Coral.  You know, the kid's problem is not that he can't act.  I've seen him in other movies and he's actually pretty good.  The writers don't know how to write for young people.  Enid suffers from the same thing.  

Agree. 100% If you're under the age of 25, the writers just don't know what to do with you. Carl gets the shittiest lines. I remember them giving Lizzie a bunch of crap too. Beth as well. Emily Kinney wasn't the best actress, but man....they didn't give her anything to work with. It's like they're talking down to the youngsters instead of truly understanding them. I love Carl/Chandler. I think he does really well with what he has to work with. 

 

1 hour ago, smorbie said:

oh.  LOL!  Although, he's toughed up now and is more like Friar Tuck, no?

Gabriel has morphed into a pretty awesome character, but I doubt he'll ever lose his FPP name. Sorry, FPP. 

 

1 hour ago, Trillian said:

 

I laughed when they did the closeup of the first dead guy (Alexandrian?) who was literally wearing a red shirt.

 

Ahhhh, that was great. They kept panning over all these dead bodies, lingering on them as if to make us sad. And I was all, "Who the fuck is that???"

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6 minutes ago, Timetoread said:

Actually he probably did know and in fact it was probably choreographed.  Negan figured out that Michonne was Rick's woman from that time he took her deer.  Also Jadis, with her "I'll take your man" BS, most likely told him that they were a couple and very lovey dovey at this point.  I bet they chose their best female fighter to be up there with Michonne because Michonne would fight like hell to save Rick.  Negan knew that Michonne was not front and center for the "war" because she was being detained and he knew her position.  The scream came from there and he fleetingly thought this would be enough to stop Rick.

Maybe.  I didn't read it like that, but you could be right.  Would make sense.

[Lady Iris]

I did like that Negan called Rick out for being stupid enough to believe the "filthy garbage people." I mean c'mon, that was actually pretty funny.

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3 minutes ago, tricknasty said:

I don't want my beautiful Aaron with Eric or Jesus. He is mine! I know he isn't into women. I don't care. Loved him and his afro this ep.

Word!  I'd like to see if I could flip him because Aaron is the most attractive man on that show, IMO.  Jesus can have Daryl or Eric.  I don't even care.