S01.E03: Chapter Three: Body Double

[shapeshifter]

4 hours ago, Neurochick said:

When I was in high school and my friends and I used to read the Archie comics, we used to think that Riverdale was in...well, Riverdale, as in New York.  Technically, Riverdale is in the Bronx, but most people who live there will say, "I live in Riverdale," as opposed to, "I live in The Bronx." Riverdale is a pretty upscale community, at least it was when I was a teenager.

I have a very distant memory of an original Archie comic in which the main characters piled into a convertible and made a road trip to the Grand Canyon, so after that, I always assumed Riverdale was somewhere out west.

[Danny Franks]

2 hours ago, ZoloftBlob said:

I get your point Loki567 - I know plenty of talented white guys, they exist.

But there is white male privilege in this world and a lot of this show plays right into it. What comes between Betty and Veronica? Archie the school quarterback who kinda treats Betty like shit - there is clueless and then there is Archie. But is there any doubt that Archie will continue to be Betty's pined for love even as he nails Mrs. Grundy? Of course not - that's the Archie comic trope... and the Archie comic trope is all about white privilege.

Idealising 1950s America the way this show does (even if it's set in the modern day), and the way the comics apparently do, will always highlight white male privilege. That's what the 1950s were built on, after all. It's the classic Americana again: perfect little small town, full of attractive and wholesome white people who live charmed lives and split their time between playing football, going to class and hanging out at the malt shop. It's dreaming of a world where everything was good and proper (as long as you weren't a woman or a minority).

Now, if they want to extend that privilege to everyone, and have people enjoying that idyllic life regardless of gender, sexuality or skin colour, then fine. That's a different kind of fantasy, but whatever. But making the darker skinned males the villains of two of the three episodes (with a white girl being the villain of the first) isn't a good look.

[wayne67]

13 hours ago, Neurochick said:

Question.  Why do you think Josie was being racist to Archie?Wasn't she just telling him the truth?  That it's harder for a black woman than a white man?

Because she assumed solely on the basis of his skin that he was incapable of having empathy for her situation or that he was even capable of writing good songs. There's also all the baby nonsense she threw out to shut him down from talking. Sounds a lot like racism to me. 

She didn't even consider he might have some natural talent and have some useful suggestions as an outsider... Since she never read a line of his work or listened to a minute of his own songs before coming to the conclusion he was useless because he's white. 

Edited February 13, 2017 by wayne67

[Danny Franks]

30 minutes ago, wayne67 said:

Because she assumed solely on the basis of his skin that he was incapable of having empathy for her situation or that he was even capable of writing good songs. There's also all the baby nonsense she threw out to shut him down from talking. Sounds a lot like racism to me. 

She didn't even consider he might have some natural talent and have some useful suggestions as an outsider... Since she never read a line of his work or listened to a minute of his own songs before coming to the conclusion he was useless because he's white. 

Was it because he was white, or because he was a jock football player who no one even knew liked writing music? I may be off base, but wasn't Betty, his best friend, surprised to hear he'd started writing at all, let alone writing music? If I was a singer songwriter in a band, and someone came along saying, 'hey, I'm into music now too. Let me tell you what's what,' I think I'd be offended too.

Archie is a weird blank slate character, where he seems to have suddenly found these new interests that drive him, but no one has given any hints as to what he liked, or was like, before them. Have the writers given his backstory any thought at all?

Edited February 13, 2017 by Danny Franks

[wayne67]

4 minutes ago, Danny Franks said:

Was it because he was white, or because he was a jock football player who no one even knew liked writing music? I may be off base, but wasn't Betty, his best friend, surprised to hear he'd started writing at all, let alone writing music? If I was a singer songwriter in a band, and someone came along saying, 'hey, I'm into music now too. Let me tell you what's what,' I think I'd be offended too.

Archie is a weird blank slate character, where he seems to have suddenly found these new interests that drive him, but no one has given any hints as to what he liked, or was like, before them. Have the writers given his backstory any thought at all?

Except she didn't complain that he had no previous experience, she went on about what rooms she wasn't allowed in, whining about his 'privilege'.  Also he was there to gain some experience from semi established song writers/performers so her attitude and rant was unnecessary. 

Frankly I'm more interested in why Archie and Jug had a falling out then about any of Archie's interests. This music sub plot is boring as . 

[ZoloftBlob]

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Frankly I'm more interested in why Archie and Jug had a falling out

Already explained. Archie ditched a road trip with Jughead over the 4th of July to fuck Ms. Grundy blind.

[wayne67]

5 minutes ago, ZoloftBlob said:

Already explained. Archie ditched a road trip with Jughead over the 4th of July to fuck Ms. Grundy blind.

I thought it was something more than that. Like he abandoned him completely over the summer, instead of missing a single event. *shrugs*

[ZoloftBlob]

I can believe fucking Ms. Grundy happened all through out the summer that Archie was Daddy Luke Perry's road crew/construction crew/fuck around America crew.... :)

[The Crazed Spruce]

The conversation about perceived racism in the show has started to overwhelm this thread. Please stick to discussing the episode at hand here. If you feel the need to keep the discussion on the topic going, please take it to this thread.

[Mabinogia]

I'm assuming, when Archie started hooking up with Porno Fantasy Teacher he started spending less and less time with ole Juggy. Juggy, being a writer certainly picked up on Archie's suddenly acting shady (he was, after all, sneaking around) and kind of avoiding him and either thought he had done something, but had no idea what, or that maybe Archie was growing away from him.

I agree, though, that Archie and Juggy's falling out is the most interesting storyline Archie has right now. Probably because, so far, the only person I've seen Archie have any real chemistry with (friends chemistry, romantic chemistry, enemy chemistry, any chemistry) is Jughead. He just seemed more present in their few scenes than he has with any other character.

Juggy and Betty had great chemistry as well, so maybe the actor playing Juggy is one of those who just has instant chemistry with people.

[peachmangosteen]

1 hour ago, Mabinogia said:

Juggy and Betty had great chemistry as well, so maybe the actor playing Juggy is one of those who just has instant chemistry with people.

I think that might be it actually. He even had great antagonistic chem with Reggie in their brief scene. They need to put him in a scene with Josie stat. Maybe then I'll be able to stand her for a minute!

[Mabinogia]

4 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

They need to put him in a scene with Josie stat. Maybe then I'll be able to stand her for a minute!

I would actually like to see that experiment played out. I want to like Josie, I really do. Being in scenes with Archie isn't gonna do it for me though.

[swanjun]

Archie is SOOOOOOOO the least interesting thing about this show. Betty's plan for vengeance, plus her investigative reporting thing with Jughead (who is more than low-key sexy) were giving me Veronica Mars feels! If the show was just them against the world, I'd be so happy.

[maxineofarc]

5 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

I think that might be it actually. He even had great antagonistic chem with Reggie in their brief scene. They need to put him in a scene with Josie stat. Maybe then I'll be able to stand her for a minute!

 Co-signed. He seems to me to be the standout actor in the ensemble so far and I hope he continues to good things. (I also co-sign the low-key sexy and was even kind of eyeballing his grunge wardrobe in a positive way.)

[Tara Ariano]

In case you missed it, here's the Previously.TV post on the episode!

Riverdale Presents: Whoa, Dark Betty (Bam-a-Lam)

Dark Betty has a wig, bam-a-lam; look out, football pigs, bam-a-lam.

[ruby24]

40 minutes ago, swanjun said:

Archie is SOOOOOOOO the least interesting thing about this show. Betty's plan for vengeance, plus her investigative reporting thing with Jughead (who is more than low-key sexy) were giving me Veronica Mars feels! If the show was just them against the world, I'd be so happy.

Agreed! I totally got that vibe too.

[peachmangosteen]

2 hours ago, maxineofarc said:

(I also co-sign the low-key sexy and was even kind of eyeballing his grunge wardrobe in a positive way.)

I agree with this, which makes me really uncomfortable lol. I am way too old to be crushing on Cody from Suite Life, man!

Edited February 13, 2017 by peachmangosteen

[Tiger]

20 hours ago, ZoloftBlob said:

I can believe fucking Ms. Grundy happened all through out the summer that Archie was Daddy Luke Perry's road crew/construction crew/fuck around America crew.... :)

It seems that in the six weeks or between the end of freshmen year and July 4th, Archie got hot, started fucking Grundy, and as a result of those things developed a completely new personality and interests.  People definitely change in high school, but not literally overnight.

Edited February 14, 2017 by Tiger

[MarkHB]

2 minutes ago, Tiger said:

It seems that in the six weeks or between the end of freshmen year, Archie got hot, started fucking Grundy, and as a result of those things developed a completely new personality and interests.  People definitely change in high school, but not literally overnight.

It just dawned on me that, while it's one thing for "abs" to have happened over the summer (a long-standing tradition on teen shows), the murder timeline indicates that they happened between the end of Freshman finals and the Fourth of July.  That's what, a month at most for most high schools?  I know mine had finals week (except for seniors) in the teens of June.

[Danny Franks]

5 hours ago, maxineofarc said:

 Co-signed. He seems to me to be the standout actor in the ensemble so far and I hope he continues to good things. (I also co-sign the low-key sexy and was even kind of eyeballing his grunge wardrobe in a positive way.)

To me he seems marginally better than the kid playing Archie. He has better physical acting skills, but all his line reads are flat as hell.

I'm not sure any of the people in this show have much acting ability, and the only one who has convincingly hit several different emotional beats is the girl playing Betty.

[dirtypop90]

On 2/11/2017 at 10:04 PM, Oscirus said:

CW's had one break out character, and since Betty's blonde with a ponytail too, she gets the ridiculously positive edit which apparently seems to be working.

I'm actually going to continue just to see how blatant they can get with it.  I'm going to guess that the new triangle will be Jughead Betty Archie, because at this point, why not?

Omygoodness this is totally happening. I'm an avid watcher of CW shows so I should've seen it coming before you said something. Archie will "wake up" and realize she's the one when she starts dating Jughead. blech. 

I'm just going to lower my hopes for more cheryl and josie and prepare myself for veronica getting pushed to the back as well; there can only be one!

Edited February 14, 2017 by dirtypop90

[Eneya]

It was strange to read this forum. :)
What I am taking of the show that it is not straighforward, realistic portrayal. I mean, obviously, one has Skins, if they are into realistic teens. This is definitely intentionally over-the-top, almost like a dream-sequence at moments, with all these references and little nods to this and that. So... I think in order to enjoy the show, once has to accept that?

Veronica and Betty ARE enjoyable, let us see how it goes.
Cheryl... ok, her parents must have hated her. I mean... Cheryl Blossom??? Anyway... so, I had fun with her character, I hope they keep her and proceed with adding layers.

The teacher thing is squeaky. I thought Archie is 18 or something... but I saw several people mentioning 15? Is he supposed to be 15 really?

About Josie not wanting to work with Archie... and being called diva for her trouble... I mean... REALLY? "A white heterosexual guy will hardly be the most knowledgeable person about being a black woman, so... no, thanks dude" is now apparently racist? Okaaaay then. I must be super racist AND sexist myself, because I am septic that a teenage white guy (even a teenage white girl) has something of value to offer on the topic, unless proven otherwise. And I am white myself... Go figure.

And to the poster who shared that white men have it the worst... (as opposed of their experience as... not passing for white, straight dude?), the discussion has obviously jumped the shark badly.

I am having fun with the show and the nonstop over-the-topness. :)

So, a few bad news.
The creators have said Veronica and Betty pairing is not going to happen. Which is a bummer.
Not a bad news, Jughead is supposedly keeping his asexuality. :)

 

Edited February 14, 2017 by Eneya

[peachmangosteen]

1 hour ago, Eneya said:

Not a bad news, Jughead is supposedly keeping his asexuality. :)

Where did you read that? From what posters here have said, Cole Sprouse had said he is not going to be asexual.

[Eneya]

9 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

Where did you read that? From what posters here have said, Cole Sprouse had said he is not going to be asexual.

Honestly... I will need to review my history of browsing, because it was a week ago.
If you have the patience to wait, I will get back to you on that?

[peachmangosteen]

Sure. No need to even look really! If you happen to find it then I'd like the link, but it's fine either way. Honestly, I'm pretty sure he won't be asexual. I just don't see the CW going there.

ETA: I went ahead and looked myself and found this article, which basically says that they might go the asexual route in a future season, but not this season.

Edited February 14, 2017 by peachmangosteen

[Chicago Redshirt]

On 2/3/2017 at 10:35 PM, shapeshifter said:

Wait. Didn't this also happen in the beginning of Smallville (only with Chloe instead of Betty)? And why does my iPad predictive text know "Smallville?"

I was having Smallville flashbacks, both from a) Betty/Chloe starting a newspaper and b) Betty/Chloe having an issue with crazy relative.

I'm thinking Archie is smarter than the Big Dumb Alien. But we'll see.

On 2/10/2017 at 0:21 AM, ZoloftBlob said:

I think my problem is that as a kid from a small town... I'm not buying how sophisticated all these yokels are.

And the cops are currently so dumb as to be nonexistent.

I mean, how exactly did Betty and Veronica explain how they knew all the details to Chuck's fuck book without the fuck book being held as evidence for Chuck and the team's rape trial. Oh right, lets assume these warriors for justice were fine with Chuck being publically ousted from the team and made to walk in shame in front of the school as punishment (which in this litigious time wouldn't happen) after Chuck told his tale of being drugged on his date, chained in a hot tub and filmed confessing?

<Cutting a lengthy response because I wrote it and then suspected it would be taken badly.> 

1) There's no evidence that the jocks were rapists. What was shown was that Chuck lied and said that he had sex with Veronica when he didn't; that one of them lied about having sex with Ethel; that Jason put down that he had sex with Polly and rated her, and there were numerous others in the book. While scummy to sleep with women and gossip behind their back and to slut-shame them, that's a whole different ballpark from sleeping with these girls without their consent.

2) Part of the issue as framed was that the authorities were not willing to do anything without concrete evidence. Why the facebook feeds showing Veronica having gotten a "sticky maple" or the testimony of more than a half-dozen women didn't constitute concrete evidence, I don't know.

3) Being suspended from the team (at least temporarily) is a fair punishment for slut-shaming, IMO, YMMV.

4) That said, it doesn't make sense that they got access to the book unless they never gave it to Weatherbee in the first place. Maybe they felt somehow the coerced video confession was enough, or Chuck, being dumb as a brick, confessed to Weatherbee himself.

On 2/10/2017 at 1:04 AM, Oscirus said:

This show took one of the two major black characters from the comics and turned him into a sexual deviant?

WTF SHOW? Are you kidding me with that?  I'll ignore the obvious misandry that's fairly rampant through this show just because I think that these writers don't know any better.

Just wow. How many more characters are they going to sacrifice just to make Betty more "kick ass?"

SMDH.

Chuck isn't a "sexual deviant." He was a jerk about the sex he was claiming to have and some he may actually had.

I don't think it's misandry. Other than Veronica and Betty, there are very few main or supporting characters who one can say are good people. Archie's dad is about it of the people we've seen much of in the couple of episodes. And with this episode, it appears that Betty is mentally ill, so even she's not flawless.

On 2/10/2017 at 2:24 PM, Ms Blue Jay said:

What does "having an alter" mean?

The short lay version is it's the same as having a split personality -- a personality that can take actions that the main personality is completely unaware of. In this episode, Betty acted as "Polly" and it seemed clear that she did not remember doing so when Veronica had a follow-up conversation with her.

BTW, I didn't realize that Veronica was a Latina until her mom referred to her as "mi hija."

Also, how does Betty's mom have a paper after running a headline "Cheryl Blossom: Guilty as Sin!" 

Did anyone see if Reggie was in the journal?

[maxineofarc]

16 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

I agree with this, which makes me really uncomfortable lol. I am way too old to be crushing on Cody from Suite Life, man!

He was on Suite Life???! Oh, man.

9 minutes ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

The short lay version is it's the same as having a split personality -- a personality that can take actions that the main personality is completely unaware of. In this episode, Betty acted as "Polly" and it seemed clear that she did not remember doing so when Veronica had a follow-up conversation with her.

The vibe I got from that was that she was pretending not to remember, not that she actually didn't, but that remains to be seen I guess. I see the Cabaret Wig of Doom has migrated to her locker.

[peachmangosteen]

1 minute ago, maxineofarc said:

The vibe I got from that was that she was pretending not to remember, not that she actually didn't, but that remains to be seen I guess. I see the Cabaret Wig of Doom has migrated to her locker.

I too got the vibe that she was pretending not to remember. I don't think Betty is going to have DID, I think it's more that she has a dark/bad side and isn't all sweetness and light like she appears to be on the surface.

And yes Cole Sprouse was Cody on Suite Life of Zach and Cody and Suite Life On Deck.

[maxineofarc]

19 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

And yes Cole Sprouse was Cody on Suite Life of Zach and Cody and Suite Life On Deck.

I have two takeaways from that: 1) I now feel all weird for even looking at him and 2) huh, he seems to have escaped the Disney Channel Horrible Acting Curse. I mean, clearly YMMV on his acting but at least he's definitely shaken that weird shouty thing they all do that makes me think of the Disney Channel Acting School SNL skit every time.

[Eneya]

Sorry... what misandry?

[Lady Calypso]

59 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

And yes Cole Sprouse was Cody on Suite Life of Zach and Cody and Suite Life On Deck.

Also, he was little Ben Geller from Friends. I knew him first from Suite Life, but that's just one of his earlier acting credits.

I like Josie enough, but I think she has more potential than what she's being given. The problem is that her and her Pussycats feel like they're a part of a whole other show, so they need to become more incorporated into the show in a different way. But hey, I think we can all agree that Archie/Josie scenes are way better than Archie/Miss Grundy. Not necessarily in a romantic way, but just in general I'd rather see Archie hanging with Josie than with his older, manipulative, criminal teacher. 

[peachmangosteen]

Just now, Lady Calypso said:

Also, he was little Ben Geller from Friends.

Don't remind me! That makes his low key sexiness even worse, dammit!

[Danny Franks]

7 hours ago, dirtypop90 said:

Omygoodness this is totally happening. I'm an avid watcher of CW shows so I should've seen it coming before you said something. Archie will "wake up" and realize she's the one when she starts dating Jughead. blech. 

Like that wasn't the plan from the very beginning? The trope of the guy suddenly realising he wants the girl after she starts dating someone else is probably the most worn, tired and irritating page of 'TV Writing For Beginners and Hacks'. 

The only way they'll go asexual with the cartoon character is if the writers decide there's more drama to be had, and more mainstream attention to be grabbed, than if they just use him as an interchangeable cog in the Riverdale dating machine.

[Chaos Theory]

Despite its many problems I am liking the show so far and will probably continue to watch until the shows starts in with the " Veronica/Archie can't stay away from each other but don't want to hurt their  good buddy Betty but just can't stop boinking each other but they are oh so in love and maybe Betty will understand.   If she was their friend she would understand and still love them like the great and nice person she is.  Right?  Right?"  

Edited February 14, 2017 by Chaos Theory

[Tiger]

5 hours ago, Eneya said:

It was strange to read this forum. :)
What I am taking of the show that it is not straighforward, realistic portrayal. I mean, obviously, one has Skins, if they are into realistic teens. This is definitely intentionally over-the-top, almost like a dream-sequence at moments, with all these references and little nods to this and that. So... I think in order to enjoy the show, once has to accept that?

The teacher thing is squeaky. I thought Archie is 18 or something... but I saw several people mentioning 15? Is he supposed to be 15 really?

Skins was supposed to be straightfoward and realistic?!?   Dont get me wrong, the UK original verison was actually a great show, especially compared to that god awful US remake.  But IMHO both were about as realistic and straightforward as The X-Files.

Come to think of it, the US version of Skins also had a milquetoast cant-pass-for-a-teen lead who was fucking his teacher.  

[ZoloftBlob]

Archie is stated to be a sophomore, its mentioned to be a big deal that a sophomore not onlymade varisty football but is star quarterback... Betty, Veronica an dJughead are in the same grade. In the US, sophmores are typically 15 at the start of the school year.

[Danny Franks]

1 hour ago, ZoloftBlob said:

Archie is stated to be a sophomore, its mentioned to be a big deal that a sophomore not onlymade varisty football but is star quarterback...

Not only a big deal, but utterly absurd that a kid who just decides to "try out" for the football team for the first time is named the starting quarterback in his first game. Just reinforces that Archie is being written as a complete and utter Gary Stu.

[DigitalCount]

If people are feeling that this show has a Veronica Mars vibe, it's because the episode was actually a Veronica Mars episode. Sub in football players for frat brothers and you've pretty much got the plot of this episode. I kept waiting for the "just kidding, Chuck is a better man" twist and it never came.

The "Betty is psychotic" twist was a welcome one though. But as much as I love BV, that girl needs therapy. And possibly incarceration for technically kidnapping Chuck (for those wondering, luring him there wasn't the issue, but drugging and restraining him while holding him in scalding water? Several felonies). Heck, VM tangled with people using date rape drugs, in contrast with Betty, who was...the one using date rape drugs. Not a good look.

I do think this show has some significant blind spots, especially when it comes to race, but that's for the other thread.

I'm not sure what they're doing with Archie and Josie. Jughead is probably my favorite character with my favorite storyline, and non-psychotic Betty works well with him. I'm interested to see where the mystery aspect goes next.

Edited February 15, 2017 by DigitalCount

[Eneya]

There was a US Skins version?
Also... in may areas Skins was the closest thing I have seen on tv of realistic teens. :)

Archie, Veronica and Bettty are 15???
What the fuck... eeeew.
Brain bleach...

Edited February 15, 2017 by Eneya

[starri]

2 hours ago, Eneya said:

There was a US Skins version?

It was on MTV and was really, really bad.

[Eneya]

21 minutes ago, starri said:

It was on MTV and was really, really bad.

I didn't know... I an in the UK. :)

[maxineofarc]

I'm sort of treating this as a Pretty Little Liars replacement and not thinking too much about how old these clearly twentyish people are supposed to be for story purposes. It helps.

[iMonrey]

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If they were playing Riverdale as a backward cow town, it would sorta work, but everyone is just so hipster... Its jarring and it doesn't make sense.

The whole idea of taking Archie and the gang from the comic books and "adulter-izing" them is silly to begin with. The comics are squeaky-clean - nobody was having sex. Going on a date meant going to the malt shop or maybe the drive-in. Stories centered around things like wacky hi-jinks resulting from trying to raise money for new band uniforms, or Archie accidentally dying his hair green. You get the idea: tame, even by Disney Channel standards. 

It's sort of like taking the Scooby-Do characters and trying to do a drama with them. I mean . . . I guess you could, but - why?

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I've mostly been telling people its like watching fanfiction come to life :)

It's like slash fiction, actually. It seems sort of perverted to me to think of someone jerking off to Archie comics. But - whatever floats your boat. I guess if whoever holds the copyright to these characters doesn't mind what this show is doing with them, I'm in no position to judge.

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I read a fairly interesting interview in Variety with KJ, and he states he is already tired of playing the high school jock.  He also says that no Americans and no natural redheads auditioned for Archie. 

I find that hard to believe. Nobody in the entire country wanted to play this role? I think more likely the producers had already zeroed in on K.J. Apa for whatever reason as the lead. I doubt they had open casting calls or anything like that.

[rho]

3 hours ago, iMonrey said:

The whole idea of taking Archie and the gang from the comic books and "adulter-izing" them is silly to begin with. The comics are squeaky-clean - nobody was having sex. Going on a date meant going to the malt shop or maybe the drive-in. Stories centered around things like wacky hi-jinks resulting from trying to raise money for new band uniforms, or Archie accidentally dying his hair green. You get the idea: tame, even by Disney Channel standards. 

It's sort of like taking the Scooby-Do characters and trying to do a drama with them. I mean . . . I guess you could, but - why?

I mentioned this before but you articulated it better than me. My problem with the show is they haven't committed 100% to a tone. It's not as tongue-in-cheek as it wants to be. It's not Archie with a dark twist, more like a bad sketch. I wonder if it might have done better on a different platform like Netflix where they can block shoot and release everything at once, because the mystery is really the only draw of the show. As a fan of Josie and Sabrina though, I hope it finds its groove soon and leads to some other cool throwback shows.

[jay741982]

Man this is my new guilty pleasure . Ok Betty/Jughead would be a couple I'd definitely be ok with if something does happen between them. On a Shallow Note Betty and Veronica looked HAWT in the scenes where they got Chuck to confess. Man Chuck and his boys are disgusting pigs and I'm intrigued by Jugheads narration that them getting kicked off the team led to worse things. And liked him saying B and V grew stronger. It may be just me but I swear I saw where Betty went into "Polly" mode. It's when she was to talking to Chuck setting up her and V's plan and he mentions Polly and there was a music cue and it was like a switch went off in her head. 

[DigitalCount]

1 minute ago, jay741982 said:

Man this is my new guilty pleasure . Ok Betty/Jughead would be a couple I'd definitely be ok with if something does happen between them. On a Shallow Note Betty and Veronica looked HAWT in the scenes where they got Chuck to confess. Man Chuck and his boys are disgusting pigs and I'm intrigued by Jugheads narration that them getting kicked off the team led to worse things. And liked him saying B and V grew stronger. It may be just me but I swear I saw where Betty went into "Polly" mode. It's when she was to talking to Chuck setting up her and V's plan and he mentions Polly and there was a music cue and it was like a switch went off in her head. 

Gotta agree with literally everything in this post.

[jay741982]

And I gotta say tonight's episode looks good too. It's a shame that PLL didn't treat the grossmance Erzria like they are treating Ms Grundy/Archie so far.

[maxineofarc]

19 hours ago, iMonrey said:

It's sort of like taking the Scooby-Do characters and trying to do a drama with them. I mean . . . I guess you could, but - why?

It's not THAT crazy. Archie Comics has been willing to experiment lately, notably with the very successful "Afterlife With Archie," which was a pretty straight-up zombie horror series, and its spinoffs. The current "Archie" series has been an attempt to bring the characters into a contemporary teen soap- cleaner than the show for sure, but still an attempt at appealing to teen+ readers which seems to be working.  Of course they're still doing the old Dan Dicarlo-style digests that I had as a kid as well, but the company is definitely interested in exploring and expanding the property.

How I ended up knowing this much about Archie comics, I don't know.

[MV007]

This is ultimately meaningless but I don't remember the show stating that Archie is now the Quarterback of the team or that he had never played football before and was just trying out for the first time.  For some reason I thought he was supposed to be a wide receiver.  And I definitely remember the coach saying they were bringing up from JV to be on Varsity.  I don't remember the coach saying anything about how significant his role would be.  Regardless, its not crazy for a sophomore to be a great player on a high school team.

Edited February 16, 2017 by MV007

[starri]

1 hour ago, maxineofarc said:

How I ended up knowing this much about Archie comics, I don't know.

Hey, I know it, and I'm in spitting distance of 40.

They're also launching a Riverdale comic next month.