S07.E15: 100

[ghoulina]

12 hours ago, Christina87 said:

Chelsea, honey...you don't need to "cleanse your body" of the birth control. I mean, I know it can take some time to get back to regular periods, but girl...you're not 40! [facepalm]

ETA: do condoms not exist in their world?

It sounds like they were trying to do some sort of natural family planning - with using the ovulation tests to try and avoid her fertile time. So I will give her that. Yea, she could have just waited until they got married, but they're a good, solid couple so I don't really care. 

 

39 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

I don't know. I moved at least once a year for most of my twenties. It was just a part of being that young (and in my case, in school for part of it). Doesn't necessarily cost a lot, in some areas deposits are not much and I always got friends to move my stuff.

Yea, but did you have 3 small kids, one of whom has a disability? Leah's constant moving has got to be hell on the kids. Kids crave stability. We've lived in our house for 6 years and we're considering buying another home, because this one needs some work that we can't really do while living in it. But our kids are SO attached to their neighbor friends, so we're likely going to put it off a few more years. 

[DangerousMinds]

2 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

It sounds like they were trying to do some sort of natural family planning - with using the ovulation tests to try and avoid her fertile time. So I will give her that. Yea, she could have just waited until they got married, but they're a good, solid couple so I don't really care. 

 

Yea, but did you have 3 small kids, one of whom has a disability? Leah's constant moving has got to be hell on the kids. Kids crave stability. We've lived in our house for 6 years and we're considering buying another home, because this one needs some work that we can't really do while living in it. But our kids are SO attached to their neighbor friends, so we're likely going to put it off a few more years. 

I really don't care either. But they seem somewhat hypocritical. It was OK to get pregnant without being married, but they just had to get married before the child was born? Only to have yet another ceremony months later? I just don't understand this.

And no, I didn't have kids in my 20's when I did all that moving. So I'm sure it was easier. But I also mostly moved around in the same town, so if I had had kids, they would have been able to keep their friends, etc.

Edited January 12, 2017 by DangerousMinds

[Uncle JUICE]

1 hour ago, ghoulina said:

But I got really upset seeing Ali running around and falling over and over with the slip and slide. And then Leah yelling at her! Look, you're her mom. As hard as it is, YOU have to set boundaries. You can't tell her that she's allowed to play, and then yell at her for falling. And if she needs her helmet, MAKE her wear it. It's normal to be embarrassed, but as the parent, you can try to help her through it. Make the helmet really cool. Let her pick out stickers or hair pieces to decorate it with. Make it a fun thing. Tell her how she's so special, because only SHE has one. And maybe think of outdoor water activities that don't require so much effort. 

I then had to wonder how long Ali had to stand during the photo shoot. Why not let her use the chair for her shoot? Is she getting the feeling of embarrassment from Leah? If your daughter requires a chair, have the chair in the picture. The more you normalize it, and the sooner, the better Ali will be able to adapt. 

 

I couldn't agree harder with this post. First of all, you are the parent, I get it, and seeing your kid feel embarassment absolutely SUCKS. I mean it REALLY sucks. But guess what? if that's what's best for your kid, then you have to do it, and realize that they'll understand when they're older. "She didn't want to wear her helmet," well tough shit, then the answer MUST be "Then I guess you really don't want to play on the slide, because the doctor said to wear it whenever you're not in your scooter." You have to normalize it, you're right, and those girls, her sisters, they must learn and learn quickly that making their sister feel anything other than accepted fully will be met with swift and severe rebuke. Her condition is difficult to begin with. They're making it worse by not following doctor's advice.

ETA: I get that you want your child to live the best possible life, but I don't think pretending she's the same as all the other kids if only she FEELS it hard enough, if she BELIEVES it enough, serves her best. What they should have been doing is teaching her that she's got a condition unlike the other kids, and that doesn't mean she can't lead a fun life. I just feel like the kid by now should be able to understand not the whys of the situation, but the THATs. It's important to recognize that she has this condition and in order for her life to be as fun as it can be, she must follow these guidelines, and that yeah, she has a wheelchair (willchar), and yes, she can be out of it as long as she's wearing her helmet, and that it isn't a big deal (dill).

And good grief, Corey..."prove 'em all wrong" only happens in terrible movies. The condition is degenerative, as someone points out. If your daughter somehow beats it, she would literally be THE ONLY PERSON IN HISTORY to do so, and then would be subject to probably just as much medical tests (as she'd then be the source for cures / therapies). Miracles aren't real, ever, I'm sorry to say. The idea that her parent is "having faith" that his decisions to let her ride a bike, play tee ball, etc, all that stuff that gives HER PARENTS the narrative "Well our faith in The Lord is just so powerful that it can defy this disease" is just grossly irresponsible. It's accepted as noble by many because the words "The Lord" are included, but if you changed those words to "magic beans," they'd be thought of as ridiculous and rightly called out as negligent. Maddening, sorry to get all in arms about it. Back to that terrifying Leah picture.

Edited January 12, 2017 by Uncle JUICE

[CofCinci]

Leah is the type that when she moves, she leaves all her shit behind. It's not hard for her to move. 

She should seriously consider a custom home that accommodates Ali's needs through her lifetime.  Leah has the money for it since she isn't buying pillses. Sadly, she doesn't have the foresight. 

Edited January 12, 2017 by CofCinci

[ghoulina]

15 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

I really don't care either. But they seem somewhat hypocritical. It was OK to get pregnant without being married, but they just had to get married before the child was born? Only to have yet another ceremony months later? I just don't understand this.

I am not up on the particulars, but it seemed to me that they already had a wedding date in the works and likely went ahead with that date, but changed the actual ceremony to something smaller and simpler because of the pregnancy. And then decided they'd do a bigger ceremony later, when she wasn't pregnant and able to enjoy herself a bit more. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. 

 

8 minutes ago, CofCinci said:

Leah is the type that when she moves, she leaves all her shit behind. It's not hard for her to move. 

And she had A LOT of shit. Just crap everywhere. I almost had to FF because it was bordering on hoarder territory and that stuff gives me anxiety. 

[Linny]

Jenelle is so obnoxious with her leading questions to Jace. "Isn't it fun to go on vacation without Barb? Don't you want to do more things with just me and David?" She purposefully tries to make herself superior to Barb. She should be grateful that Barb has such a strong bond with Jace, but instead she's intimidated by it. And I don't understand how she and Nathan have already nailed down a custody agreement for Kaiser, yet after all these years Jenelle still hasn't made real moves to get custody of Jace.

Jo deserves so much credit for his maturity. He understands that Isaac and Javi are close, and that Isaac's love for Javi doesn't diminish his love for Jo. He wants Isaac to maintain that bond because he's a sweet kid who deserves all the love in the world. Jo is a parent who is truly putting his child first. (Take notes, Jenelle.)

[Uncle JUICE]

Also, nice job making Jace put on his helmet to tear around on his two wheeler. 

[Ljohnson1987]

Chelsea: Aubree became a big sister on the day Paislee was born. Do not exclude her, because she is not your and Cole's child.  Also, if you don't know how birth control works, you should learn. 

 

Kail: Please stop bitching about how hard being a single mom is. We get it!  Also, kudos to Jo and Vee, for being concerned about Isaac and Javi's relationship. Obviously Javi has played a big role in Isaac's life, and it's nice that Jo and Vee see that, and want the relationship to continue, if Issac and Javi choose to do so. 

 

Leah: Where do you get the money to move every season? MTV must pay real well. Even though you girls bitch that it doesn't. 

 

Jenelle: Why wouldn't Babs be included in the family vacations? She's raised Jace from the day he was born.  Jace probably feels weird not having her around. Also, how come David's son is never mentioned? We know that Dave can't see him, because he has a protective order, but at least mention him.  Dave needs to stay out of Jenelle and Nathan's business regarding Kai, and focus on his own children.  Who cares what he thinks when it comes to their agreement with Kai? Kai is not his son, he shouldn't be involved. 

[grumpypanda]

I hate Jenelle so much, now she wants Nathan to prove that he has sippy cups and diapers for Kaiser. I know Nathan is no genius but I think he can figure out how to give his son something to drink and does she really think he's going to let Kaiser shit on the floor? 

I don't understand why Nathan's mom can't watch the kid while he's with his dad either. She probably just took him to the park for an hour so Nathan could go to the gym and as always Jenelle blows everything out of proportion.

I think most of it is because of her psycho boyfriend. I don't think Jenelle really cares who's watching Kaiser as long as it's not her.

Anyway, I loved that Pete the pig was hanging out in the background while they were telling Aubree about the baby. Everything about that scene made me happy.

[leighroda]

I'm about to move halfway across the country, if Leah loves moving so much she is more than welcome to come handle my move, she can even post it on instagram/Snapchat... I just do t want to do it. 

My issue with Jenelle being up in arms about Nathan's mom, is even if Nathan is a douche canoe, his mom should be able to see Kai a little, I don't think she should get custody or anything, but she's the biological grandmother as I don't see an issue with her having one on one time with Kaiser. Poor little guy doesn't get one on one time from anyone... David doesn't allow Jenelle to ever be alone. I also find it convenient that she says no new girlfriends now that she is in a relationship... we'll see how she feels about that when her and David break up.

[MissMel]

I don't think Jenelle and David will ever break up.  Jenelle will just wind up being a missing person.  

[BitterApple]

As much of a dirtbag as Nathan is, I can't help but notice that Kaiser lights up whenever he sees him, so I'm inclined to believe he does spend quality time with the kid when he has him. I also agree with everyone that Nathan's mom taking Kaiser to the playground for a few hours is hardly the crime of the century. Wasn't there a scene not too long ago when Jenelle called her to take Kai for a week because she couldn't deal? Jenelle is all over the place with her logic.

Whenever I watch scenes of Jo/Vee and Chelsea/Cole, I'm always struck by how positive the energy is at their houses as opposed to the doom and gloom at Kail's. Even though Jo doesn't have the fancy shmancy Pinterest spread that Kail does, I'd rather live with him than her any day of the week. 

[SPLAIN]

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I'm kind of surprised that there isn't some sort of therapy at this point for Leah, Corey and Ali to come to terms with her situation.

I thought there was a case manager for Ali. Wasn't she the lady who was asking Cory and Leah about their custody case last season?

3 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

Exactly. And she has been on this show for years. And does not understand how birth control works by now? And doesn't know about condoms?

Of course she knows. She wanted to get pregnant and therefore, stopped taking her BC just like the rest of the girls.

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Why isn't the court giving Nathan equal custody rights?

His record? He doesn't want that much time with his child? He had a child before Jenelle and that kid is now in the custody and care of one of the grandmothers.

3 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

Kinda fitting for Chelsea, IMHO.

 

Honestly, it is fitting for every one of these girls.

Leah and Cory need to get their heads out of their asses because the way I see it, Ali is deteriorating right in front of our eyes. That is not acceptable. I feel awful watching this play out but it is apparent these two wouldn't change their opinion on this matter even if MTV were not filming it. This is reality. A child is being asked if she wants to wear her helmet. No! Just no. You TELL the child the helmet is necessary and will be a part of her everyday living just like her glasses. Who am I kidding? These are the same two people who can't bother to ensure she is in her motorized chair because Leah is too lazy to haul the chair back and forth from home to school while Cory thinks Ali is getting stronger.  I want to scream.  SMDH

[DangerousMinds]

It really is time for Child Protective Services to get involved with Ali. Her parents just can't be trusted to follow doctor's orders.

[SPLAIN]

3 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

It really is time for Child Protective Services to get involved with Ali. Her parents just can't be trusted to follow doctor's orders.

In your experience, how much time passes before CPS intervenes? What happens in these situations?

[Mambo Gladys]

On 1/11/2017 at 11:08 AM, AmyFarrahFowler said:

Leah moves too much. 

They allll move too much; except maybe Chelsea. Seems like she's been in that same house for a while (though they were trying to buy another at one time, I think). 

Edited January 12, 2017 by saratothej

[BitterApple]

3 hours ago, Uncle JUICE said:

The idea that her parent is "having faith" that his decisions to let her ride a bike, play tee ball, etc, all that stuff that gives HER PARENTS the narrative "Well our faith in The Lord is just so powerful that it can defy this disease" is just grossly irresponsible. 

If Cory's going to play the God card, then he needs to realize that God put people like Dr. Tsao on Earth for a reason. In Ali's case, faith isn't going to overcome medical science and the laws of nature. It's one thing to pray for Ali to have the best quality of life within her limitations, but praying away her disease is negligent and borderline abusive. It's like all those dipshit parents who think their kids' cancer can be cured with oils and herbs. Cory, Leah and their families need to get their heads out of their asses.

[leighroda]

If Leah is soooo concerned about Ali feeling different slap a helmet on Addie and Gracie... she has no qualms about letting them play with the wheelchair, let them see a small bit of how life is for Ali. 

[DangerousMinds]

20 minutes ago, SPLAIN said:

In your experience, how much time passes before CPS intervenes? What happens in these situations?

They generally need to respond quickly after a report has been filed. In this case, I would put particular emphasis on Allie not wearing a helmet all of the time as the doctor has emphasized. She could very very easily fall and hit her head seriously.

[Mambo Gladys]

22 hours ago, poopchute said:

She's just looking to settle down somewhere with well schools y'all!  #blessedmomma

Ha! It's ridiculous how far she was from the school in the first place. Weren't they getting up at like 5:30 and leaving by 6:15 or so to make it to school on time? That's outrageous. Not sure what time their school starts but it probably can't be any earlier than 7:30. Driving 6 year olds an hour to school...poor choice. 

3 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

They generally need to respond quickly after a report has been filed. In this case, I would put particular emphasis on Allie not wearing a helmet all of the time as the doctor has emphasized. She could very very easily fall and hit her head seriously.

More than likely, they would not get involved until she actually gets hurt AND someone reports it. 

[DangerousMinds]

9 minutes ago, saratothej said:

Ha! It's ridiculous how far she was from the school in the first place. Weren't they getting up at like 5:30 and leaving by 6:15 or so to make it to school on time? That's outrageous. Not sure what time their school starts but it probably can't be any earlier than 7:30. Driving 6 year olds an hour to school...poor choice. 

More than likely, they would not get involved until she actually gets hurt AND someone reports it. 

Years ago I (along with others on the medical team) reported parents who did not bring their child for previously scheduled cancer treatments. CPS did follow up fairly quickly. This was in California, so who knows about WV.

[FairyDusted]

18 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

They generally need to respond quickly after a report has been filed. In this case, I would put particular emphasis on Allie not wearing a helmet all of the time as the doctor has emphasized. She could very very easily fall and hit her head seriously.

Leah and the cousin? took the girls to the park not too many episodes back and Ali fell backwards from the swing. She hit her head HARD! I gasped so much louder than her own mother. Ya would have thought she had learned! I think Corey can't comprehend life without his sweet Ali. If he admits that, it will break his heart.

[SPLAIN]

8 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

Years ago I (along with others on the medical team) reported parents who did not bring their child for previously scheduled cancer treatments. CPS did follow up fairly quickly. This was in California, so who knows about WV.

I have heard about cases here in California where parents were reported to CPS due to them not following through with proper medical treatment such as not giving their child their much-needed medication or not taking them to their necessary medical appointments such as chemotherapy. I just wasn't sure how much time had passed before those parents were reported or what exactly are the steps that CPS takes before they must step in.

Why do Cory and Leah take their child to the doctor if they are not going to do what is required? Was that case manager really part of CPS? She was all about discussing their court case and what the custody arrangement had been changed to. I suppose she had to do with something pertaining to the care of Ali because this was around that time when Leah's drug use was exposed and before she went to rehab.

[Uncle JUICE]

4 minutes ago, SPLAIN said:

I have heard about cases here in California where parents were reported to CPS due to them not following through with proper medical treatment such as not giving their child their much-needed medication or not taking them to their necessary medical appointments such as chemotherapy. I just wasn't sure how much time had passed before those parents were reported or what exactly are the steps that CPS takes before they must step in.

Unless, I believe, you claim you're not doing it because of your religious beliefs. I do not believe any government authority can force that in that case. 

[Tara Ariano]

In case you missed it, here's the Previously.TV post on the episode!

Teen Mom 2's Chelsea Has A Cow About Having Another Kid

And the show celebrates its 100th episode with a lot of FaceTime conversations.

[DangerousMinds]

9 minutes ago, Uncle JUICE said:

Unless, I believe, you claim you're not doing it because of your religious beliefs. I do not believe any government authority can force that in that case. 

I don't think they'll be able to explain away Ali not using her helmet because they are "religious." But they could try I suppose. But why?

[Uncle JUICE]

1 minute ago, DangerousMinds said:

I don't think they'll be able to explain away Ali not using her helmet because they are "religious." But they could try I suppose. But why?

No, that you  have to explain away with "I'm an idiot and it's not my kid's responsibility to choose when she follows what a medical specialist says. THat's why she had multiple concussions and broken bones."

[HeySandyStrange]

1 hour ago, BitterApple said:

If Cory's going to play the God card, then he needs to realize that God put people like Dr. Tsao on Earth for a reason. In Ali's case, faith isn't going to overcome medical science and the laws of nature.

Dr. Tsao seems like such a gentle, caring man. Corey and Leah don't understand how they lucked out that he is Ali's doctor. He's too good to them, honestly. I'm starting to think nothing short of Dr.House walking on the show is going to knock both of them on their asses and get there heads in the game. I can just picture it:

"Look you two redneck yokels, I'm the one who has the genius IQ and years of education in the medical field. The only thing you two accomplished was barely finishing high school and getting on a trashy reality show, so you better listen up and follow my orders, because your ignorance isn't helping you daughter." Of course, it would be a hundred times cooler and more awesome coming out of Hugh Laurie's mouth. They definitely need one of those arrogant, asshole doctors that knows their shit and isn't afraid to tell them what for. They've both had it too easy in regards to Ali's doctors so far.

[Inga]

I am convinced that creepy Dave is one of Matt Baier's illegitimate children 

[Abmis]

1 hour ago, FairyDusted said:

Leah and the cousin? took the girls to the park not too many episodes back and Ali fell backwards from the swing. She hit her head HARD! I gasped so much louder than her own mother. Ya would have thought she had learned! I think Corey can't comprehend life without his sweet Ali. If he admits that, it will break his heart.

I feel the same way about Corey.  I think he, and from the sound of it his family, can't deal with the horrible reality that Ali's condition will probably shorten her life.  I can't imagine what they're going through and my heart aches for them, but I do wish they'd get some kind of therapy and learn to deal with it in a way that would help Ali. Denial isn't doing anyone any good, especially with idiot Leah as the other parental unit. Ali looks so tiny and frail next to Aleeah/Gracie.  It's got to be so hard for her to see her twin growing and doing all the things she wants to do.  That's probably why Corey encourages the bike riding.  I have a feeling he has a hard time saying no to Ali and that's why she plays t-ball, etc.  He's got to learn to accept reality.

 Ali looks miserable, but then so do her sisters.  Every time they're filmed doing something that should be fun they plaster smiles on their faces but they don't look like they're happy. It's especially bad when Leah goes into happy mommy mode and they have to pretend to be thrilled.  Even the way they play is weird.  They just kind of wander aimlessly.  It's a sad situation.

[Birdee]

These girls!

Chelsea's excuses for not trying to get pregnant were definitely eye-roll worthy, but the look of pure joy and happiness on everyone's faces shows me that while I wish she would have waited to get married (just because these girls can't seem to do it, it would have been nice to see) that baby is going to be loved. It won't be a pawn or a trap baby or an inconvenience--which is more than can be said for most of the second babies of either series. Their inclusion of Aubree was also sweet. Her life is about to change big time, but Chelsea and Cole are smart enough to make the transition as easy as possible for her.

Like everyone else, I'm proud of Jo for his maturity in dealing with Issac getting to spend time with Lincoln and Javi. If all of the adults in this franchise were that mature, there probably wouldn't be a show because there would be no drama. But there would be happy babies, and I'd take that any day. I'm sure Kail is frustrated and embarrassed about the situation, but she signed up to be on TV and we all know what's happening so she should just suck it up and talk to Javi.

Leah and Corey both need to pull their heads out of their asses. Wheelchairs and helmets are not optional, folks. I love Corey, really I do. He even reminds me of Mr. Birdee a bit, but someone needs to sit him down and calmly explain in detail what is happening to Ali and how their letting her play t-ball and not follow Dr. Tao's instruction are hurting her. I also wonder if they really don't comprehend everything Dr. Tao is saying because of his accent. Again, shades of Mr. Birdee. Maybe having a native English speaker sit down with some brightly-colored and very clearly-labeled charts would help get it through their thick skulls?

I truly fear for Jenelle. The calm way she explains things to Dave tells me she knows he's scary as hell and is doing everything in her power to keep him calm. That's only going to work for so long. When he finally explodes, best case scenario is her winding up in the hospital. Her constant nagging about Nathan needed to send pictures of every little thing is ridiculous. But at least we got to hear from the Great and Powerful Dustin again. 

Whoa, I'm rambly today. I felt a migraine coming so I drank some caffeine and it seems to have kicked in!

Edited January 12, 2017 by Birdee
Thanks Dr. Pepper!

[ghoulina]

1 hour ago, Inga said:

 

I am convinced that creepy Dave is one of Matt Baier's illegitimate children 

 

Oh my gosh, PLOT TWIST!!!!

[GreatKazu]

3 hours ago, saratothej said:

Ha! It's ridiculous how far she was from the school in the first place. Weren't they getting up at like 5:30 and leaving by 6:15 or so to make it to school on time? That's outrageous. Not sure what time their school starts but it probably can't be any earlier than 7:30. Driving 6 year olds an hour to school...poor choice. 

More than likely, they would not get involved until she actually gets hurt AND someone reports it. 

It is more ridiculous when you consider Leah lived in that house with her unseen boyfriend at the time. It may have been his home and that was why Leah had to move out or they both rented it out together. Either way, he dumped her and that is the reason why Leah had to move. It wasn't because she needed to be closer to the school or needed a ranch home for her daughter. It is never about her kids. It is always about Leah's needs. Now that her boyfriend had no need for her, she has to uproot her kids again. Hopefully, she is closer to the school, as it should have been to begin with.

[BitterApple]

I don't understand these women who just rotate live-in boyfriends in and out of their kids lives. Do they not consider that their children may be uncomfortable with some strange man living in their house? And it's not even like they date for any serious length of time before shacking up. Personally I'd want to make sure my boyfriend wasn't some closet pedophile/serial killer/psychopath before I sign a lease with him. I'm not sure if 30 days is long enough to make that determination.

[FlowerofCarnage]

19 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

I don't understand these women who just rotate live-in boyfriends in and out of their kids lives. Do they not consider that their children may be uncomfortable with some strange man living in their house? And it's not even like they date for any serious length of time before shacking up. Personally I'd want to make sure my boyfriend wasn't some closet pedophile/serial killer/psychopath before I sign a lease with him. I'm not sure if 30 days is long enough to make that determination.

THIS! These girls love to choose penis over progeny! And don't get me started on how I bet if something were to happen, some of these girls (Jenelle and Amber) would blame their kids instead of whatever sicko they're shacking up with!

[DangerousMinds]

They could date and have all the sex they wanted, but WHY the need to move these guys in so quickly?

[ghoulina]

11 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

They could date and have all the sex they wanted, but WHY the need to move these guys in so quickly?

Exactly. Why even introduce the guy to your kids until it becomes something serious? IF it becomes something serious. But you have Leah forcing her daughters to tell some guy she's known a month, "I love you". The kids are the real losers here. They have no control. They often DO fall in love with their step-parent, only to have him/her ripped out of their life on a whim. 

[Mambo Gladys]

1 hour ago, GreatKazu said:

It is more ridiculous when you consider Leah lived in that house with her unseen boyfriend at the time. It may have been his home and that was why Leah had to move out or they both rented it out together. 

Ah yes, I forgot this was filmed during the T.R. Dues relationship. What a poor example for those girls. As far as working to stop the teen mom cycle in her family..she's not doing so hot.  All those girls will know from her is to run men in and out of their lives and shack up after two dates. 

But it's the new Leah! She's doing right for her babies and for herself...sarcasm included. 

[Mambo Gladys]

My heart just breaks for Isaac. He became so attached to Javi and will have a difficult time understanding why he's not around and why he doesn't get to see him whenever Lincoln does.  I'm not surprised by Kail's seemingly hasty decision to divorce but I did expect more from Javi. I thought he would really fight to save that marriage. And what was the main reason? Disagreement on when/if to have more children? They are still so young! Why make these hasty decisions about never having more kids/absolutely wants more kids.  Of course, there is always more to it than the fluffy reasons they give on camera....Javi's jealousy/Kail's promiscuity? 

[LBS]

Hell, I didn't even introduce my now fiance to my friends until I knew we were on our way to a serious relationship.    But they seem to introduce their newest beau to the kids as soon as they match up on Tinder and have them moved in by the end of the first date.   Chelsea is the really the only who took a deep breath and waited to see if Cole was a good man before introducing him to Aubree.   

[GreatKazu]

The girls move the guys in so quickly because that is one step closer -in their eyes - to getting married. I could care less about adults having sex with various people, but to move a guy in after ONE month like Leah, Kail, Amber, and Jenelle, it is ludicrous because there are children involved. And we are now watching how those hasty decisions affect the kids. 

[smores]

Cory acts kind of like some relatives of mine did when we found out another relative had terminal cancer and was only given a few months to live.  That relative was given the option of doing chemo and radiation with the caveat that IF they did the treatments, it MIGHT give them a couple more months, but they were still looking at just a few months, maybe 3 or 4 more if the treatment "worked."  The relative with cancer opted to go through the treatments and when they finished them, other family  members somehow managed to convince themselves that the person with cancer was "cured" and it was gone and things were over with.  A month or so later, predictably, the relative had major complications, and within another month, they passed away, all of which is exactly what we were originally told would happen.  Yet, the family members were literally shocked that it happened, they couldn't understand it, because he had "finished treatment" and was all better.  

I think Cory is kind of like that.  He hears what the drs say, and he does see some of the signs.  But, and I can totally understand this, the thought of having his daughter go through something like this is just unbearable to him and he clings to whatever hope he can find.  Unfortunately, this means that when she has a good day and rides her bike longer than yesterday, he sees it as PROOF that she's getting better, and manages to overlook the fact that maybe she can't walk at all the next day (I have no idea if that's true, just using it as an example).  It's really, really hard to cut through that sort of thinking, though.

[poopchute]

I was confused about Chelsea's pregnancy story as well.  She said "every time I was going to get my period I would take a test, and one day at 5 in the morning I was like, 'I'm gonna take my test!'"  Why would you be taking all those pregnancy tests before a missed period if you weren't actually trying?  Seems like a waste of money.  

[Christina87]

I think Chelsea wanted to get pregnant ASAP, even though she didn't want to be pregnant for her wedding, because she isn't good at delaying gratification. Her stories about the pregnancy tests sound like a kid on Christmas. Have you ever heard of those psychological experiments where people have the choice between $5 now or $100 later? Chelsea would be grabbing that $5 and running on her merry way to buy some eyeliner so fast it wouldn't be funny. 

I also believe she has never had to choose between two things she wanted, because Randy has a way of fixing things for her. She wanted to be pregnant ASAP, and skinny on her wedding day, but has no experience making these kinds of decisions. 

I know the other girls are abysmally worse, and I am so happy for Chelsea's little family, but in a way she irks me more than the others because she has the closest to a normal life, with every advantage in the world. I guess I can relate to her the best, and I want to see her make mature decisions soooo badly.  She constantly comes close to losing the immaturity and insecurity, but then does something supremely outlandish, like her little explanation about birth control. I am super excited for them though!

[GreatKazu]

8 hours ago, Linny said:

Jenelle is so obnoxious with her leading questions to Jace. "Isn't it fun to go on vacation without Barb? Don't you want to do more things with just me and David?" She purposefully tries to make herself superior to Barb. She should be grateful that Barb has such a strong bond with Jace, but instead she's intimidated by it. And I don't understand how she and Nathan have already nailed down a custody agreement for Kaiser, yet after all these years Jenelle still hasn't made real moves to get custody of Jace.

Jo deserves so much credit for his maturity. He understands that Isaac and Javi are close, and that Isaac's love for Javi doesn't diminish his love for Jo. He wants Isaac to maintain that bond because he's a sweet kid who deserves all the love in the world. Jo is a parent who is truly putting his child first. (Take notes, Jenelle.)

Agree and agree. 

Jenelle acts as if she has wanted to vacation without Barb when in reality, she took Barb on previous vacations (Disneyworld is one of them) because she needed a sitter for when she and Nathan wanted to be free of actually having to deal with Jace and The Roll. I will take a stab at it and say that Barb wasn't invited this time around because DAVE DIDN'T WANT BARB AROUND. Jenelle had to go along with the whole absurd lie that she wanted to take Jace without have Barb looking over her shoulders. That doesn't even make sense. You are on vacation, why would Barb be looking over your shoulders? Stop with the bullshit, Jenelle.

[Christina87]

Another thing that bothers me about Jenelle is that not only is Kaiser often in someone else's care, but Nathan KNOWS this! If she took him to court because his mother watched Kaiser for a few hours, guess what? Nathan was just at her house the other day when David's mother was watching him! Also, he and his mother could document all the times Jenelle called her and asked her to take Kaiser for a week because she couldn't handle him. It's not like all these people are watching him on the sly, while Nathan thinks he's in her care 24/7!

this makes me think she's really just scared of Dave. DAVE is pushing things like this, and legitimately does not have the reasoning skills to think things through. Jenelle thinks she's better agree with him to avoid drama, when she is totally capable of realizing that her court case would not be very substantial. 

[BitterApple]

Chelsea and Cole were definitely trying to get pregnant, I don't understand why they felt the need to sell it as an "oopsie." They're a likeable couple in a stable relationship with a wedding around the corner. If you want to have a baby, have a baby. It's not like most fans of the show weren't going to be happy for them. 

Regarding UBT, Jenelle and Jace, I thought Jace looked apprehensive in a lot of his scenes. Naturally he told Jenelle what she wanted to hear, but I wonder if he wished that Barb did go on the trip as some sort of safety net. I shiver at the thought of being alone with those two idiots, I can't imagine how a helpless child would feel.

[Christina87]

I also wonder how deep his fear of UBT goes. I wonder if he goes home to barb's saying, "glad I don't have to live with them! They're crazy!", or if barb asks him if he had fun and he nods "yes" with a tight-lipped grin. I could totally see him being scared to say anything bad in case it got back to UBT, which makes me worry. If Jenelle ever did really try to get custody, I would hope Jace would feel comfortable telling the judge he'd prefer Barb. 

Edited January 12, 2017 by Christina87
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[poopchute]

Regarding the timeline of this episode, it looks like Jenelle went to Florida around June 17th so she was around 8 weeks pregnant at that point. Im assuming she knew she was pregnant at this point or is she like Maci and didn't know until 21 weeks?

[shelley1234]

I think Chelsea was open to getting pregnant once she got engaged.  I don't think she wanted to admit that she went off the pill and was letting whatever happens....happen...on camera.  So, I think she told the rhythm method story.  Her telling Aubree was totally cute.  

Jo is really turning into a great guy and dad.  He is putting Isaac first.   He realizes how much Isaac is about to lose and isn't taking anything personally.  Well done Jo.  I doubt Javi will have much to do with Isaac.  He'll have things to do with Lincoln when it is convenient.  I hope Kail also puts her children first.  I don't blame her at all for wanting to talk with Javi about how they are ending their marriage not on camera.  Not at all.  

Jenelle complains about Nathan in the same way Barb complains about her.  I don't understand why Dave's mom can watch Kaiser, but Nathan's mom cannot.  That makes no sense, but it's their agreement.  They signed it.  Nathan should have made it so Jenelle had to supervise Kaiser all the time he is in her custody too and watch her FREAK THE FUCK OUT.  

Leah and Corey drive me nuts with Ali.  Leah asks her if she wants to wear the helmet.  Then when Ali falls because of course she does.  It is a slippery surface without her supports...Leah yells at her.  ALI WHAT DID I TELL YOU!  Like she fell on purpose.  Leah and Corey need to realize she needs to do these things and they need to be the grown ups.  Get out of denial.  You are shortening the life of your child.