S07.E03: Going Commando

[PhilMarlowe2]

15 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

A simple I don't have an extra pair would have suuficed.

So, LVP runs her hand up Erika's dress and knowingly asks if she has a pair of underwear Kyle could borrow and Erika is supposed to be the model of understated restraint and decorum in this situation? Heaven forbid she acknowledge the underlying meaning of LVP's initiation - Erika should have had the presence of mind to demurely deflect it lest anyone think she was causing an unnecessary scene! LVP was clearly making a statement/inquiry about Erika's lack of underwear, and Erika responded in kind. I do not see in any way how she can be accused of making an  spectacle with her "announcement" given the circumstances.

[biakbiak]

14 minutes ago, PhilMarlowe2 said:

So, LVP runs her hand up Erika's dress and knowingly asks if she has a pair of underwear Kyle could borrow and Erika is supposed to be the model of understated restraint and decorum in this situation? Heaven forbid she acknowledge the underlying meaning of LVP's initiation - Erika should have had the presence of mind to demurely deflect it lest anyone think she was causing an unnecessary scene! LVP was clearly making a statement/inquiry about Erika's lack of underwear, and Erika responded in kind. I do not see in any way how she can be accused of making an  spectacle with her "announcement" given the circumstances.

Lisa touched the hem of Erika's dress, unless she has exray vision or Erika had told her previously Lisa would not have known if she was wearing a thong or not. I thought Lisa looked quite surprised when Erika announced she was going commando.

Edited December 25, 2016 by biakbiak

[WireWrap]

28 minutes ago, PhilMarlowe2 said:

And yet my original point still stands that Erika did not just up and announce that she wasn't wearing panties for no reason - it was in direct response to LVP's words and actions.

No, not really.  She could have just told Lisa that she didn't have a spare pair in her clutch and nothing more but she had to turn the conversation and the cameras on her and away from Kyle/Lisa. Also, she made no complaint that Lisa said or did anything improper to her and believe me, she would have made sure everyone there know if Lisa had done something wrong. What ticked Erika off was that Lisa/PK started joking about Lisa's old acting career because it took the spotlight off of her. That is when she got upset and she got upset at PK, not at Lisa. I really don't think she got upset at anyone about commandogate until she talks to Eileen/Rinna and they inform her what Dorit told them and because Lisa is friends with Dorit, she is just as guilty. If we really need to blame someone about this, follow this back to it's origin, Kyle. (and just for the record, I do not think Kyle is at fault any more than I believe Lisa is). LOL

[WireWrap]

1 hour ago, PhilMarlowe2 said:

So, LVP runs her hand up Erika's dress and knowingly asks if she has a pair of underwear Kyle could borrow and Erika is supposed to be the model of understated restraint and decorum in this situation? Heaven forbid she acknowledge the underlying meaning of LVP's initiation - Erika should have had the presence of mind to demurely deflect it lest anyone think she was causing an unnecessary scene! LVP was clearly making a statement/inquiry about Erika's lack of underwear, and Erika responded in kind. I do not see in any way how she can be accused of making an  spectacle with her "announcement" given the circumstances.

Again, when did Erika claim or accuse Lisa of running her hand up her dress? In her TH and in her blogs, both of which were filmed/written months after the incident. She made no such claim when it happened, none, instead she chose to get upset at PK for a comment he made to Lisa. Erika claimed that comment was mean to Lisa, in other words, she came to Lisa's defense in that moment which doesn't make any sense if she really believed that Lisa groped her just a couple of minutes earlier.

Edited December 25, 2016 by WireWrap

[MatildaMoody]

9 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Lisa touched the hem of Erika's dress, unless she has exray vision or Erika had told her previously Lisa would not have known if she was wearing a thong or not. I thought Lisa looked quite surprised when Erika announced she was going cammando.

It's weird. I thought Lisa also looked surprised. I thought Ericka saying she wasn't wearing panties was her way of keeping the joke going until it wasn't. I think if Ericka HAD been wearing panties things would have gone the same way. LisaV would have still made the same joke about Kyle needing different panties, Ericka would have still said she wasn't wearing any, and PK would have still been gross about the whole thing. 

The difference would have been how Rinna and Eileen reacted. Rinna would have been all, "so he saw your hoo haw through your g-string. Own it baby. I've done a Playboy many times!" Eileen would just wait for Ericka to tell her how she felt, and then consult a therapist in private, and then decide if she should have a therapy session on camera, and then tell Rinna how Rinna should feel about it...

I probably would have just tuned out before Rinna and Eileen ever bothered to have an on camera conversation and the plot started moving.

[TattleTeeny]

You guys, I hate the word "panties" so much!

[Bossa Nova]

Haven't had time to watch this week's episode #3 yet (on my DVR).

But sheesh, it merited 10 pages of remarks?

[Former Nun]

10 hours ago, TattleTeeny said:

You guys, I hate the word "panties" so much!

Boxers?   Jockeys?  Grannypants?

[Almost 3000]

Is "moist panties" better?

[PhilMarlowe2]

15 hours ago, WireWrap said:

No, not really.  She could have just told Lisa that she didn't have a spare pair in her clutch and nothing more but she had to turn the conversation and the cameras on her and away from Kyle/Lisa. Also, she made no complaint that Lisa said or did anything improper to her and believe me, she would have made sure everyone there know if Lisa had done something wrong. What ticked Erika off was that Lisa/PK started joking about Lisa's old acting career because it took the spotlight off of her. That is when she got upset and she got upset at PK, not at Lisa. I really don't think she got upset at anyone about commandogate until she talks to Eileen/Rinna and they inform her what Dorit told them and because Lisa is friends with Dorit, she is just as guilty. If we really need to blame someone about this, follow this back to it's origin, Kyle. (and just for the record, I do not think Kyle is at fault any more than I believe Lisa is). LOL

You keep misunderstanding my original post. I didn't say anything about Erika being offended or not being offended by LVP. I thought they were being mutually playful with one another. I was simpky speaking to the continued assertion here that Erika "announced" to the world she wasn't wearing panties as if she were starved for attention when she was in fact responding to LVP's obvious ribbing.

Edited December 25, 2016 by PhilMarlowe2

[PhilMarlowe2]

15 hours ago, biakbiak said:

Lisa touched the hem of Erika's dress, unless she has exray vision or Erika had told her previously Lisa would not have known if she was wearing a thong or not. I thought Lisa looked quite surprised when Erika announced she was going commando.

You do realize LVP was not sincerely asking Erika if she had an extra pair of underwear for Kyle? She was playfully calling out Erika for "going commando." That is why LVP touched Erika's skirt, looked toward Erika's crotch and said, "Erika, sorry, Kyle needs some underwear..." to which Erika playfully replied, "I don't have any," and that's when LVP let out a playful yelp and repeatedly said, "I saw that! I saw that!" In other words, LVP was ribbing Erika, putting her on the spot for not wearing underwear, and Erika played along. It's not like Erika just leapt at the chance to make some attention-grabbing announcement about her lack of underwear. It was a playful, spirited lunch and she responded to LVP's question.

Edited December 25, 2016 by PhilMarlowe2

[WireWrap]

5 minutes ago, PhilMarlowe2 said:

You keep misunderstanding my original post. I didn't say anything about Erika being offended or not being offended by LVP. I was speaking to the continued assertion here that Erika "announced" to the world she wasn't wearing panties when she was in fact responding to LVP's obvious ribbing.

Yes, Lisa included Erika in the undies joking that Kyle started.

1 minute ago, PhilMarlowe2 said:

To me, this is all semantics. I thought it was pretty clear LVP was being playful with Erika about the fact that she wasn't wearing panties. LVP's expression of "shock" seemed very tongue-in-cheek with me, like they were playing along with one another. But even if LVP were seriously asking Erika if she had an extra pair of panties for Kyle to borrow (seriously? Is that something that would actually happen? "Hey, Erika, Kyle needs some panties - do you have a spare pair here?" "Oh, sure, Lisa, let me grab them for Kyle!" "Thanks, Erika, I'm going to go swap these out in the SLS hotel bathroom!"), the fact still remains that Erika did not just arrive at the party and say, "Hey, how about them Dodgers? I'M NOT WEARING PANTIES!" It was a playful, spirited lunch and she responded to LVP's question. To me, this was hardly some over-the-top ploy for attention.

I think there has been a disconnect here. When I read your posts, I had the same impression that others did, that you felt Lisa did something wrong, wrong being the key word and forced Erika to announce she was commando. Yes, Lisa did include Erika about Kyle needing new undies, just like she did when Dorit/PK got there. They were all joking about it and Lisa included Erika but, what Erika revealed was on her and no fault of Lisa's or anyone else's (by that I mean, no one shamed or forced her into revealing she wasn't wearing any undies). Erika's ploy to keep the cameras on her happened when she declared that PK was being "mean" to Lisa when Lisa/PK were joking about Lisa's acting history.  

[PhilMarlowe2]

4 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Yes, Lisa included Erika in the undies joking that Kyle started.

I think there has been a disconnect here. When I read your posts, I had the same impression that others did, that you felt Lisa did something wrong, wrong being the key word and forced Erika to announce she was commando. Yes, Lisa did include Erika about Kyle needing new undies, just like she did when Dorit/PK got there. They were all joking about it and Lisa included Erika but, what Erika revealed was on her and no fault of Lisa's or anyone else's (by that I mean, no one shamed or forced her into revealing she wasn't wearing any undies). 

No, I didn't feel LVP did anything wrong. Like I said, I was simply speaking to several posters saying that Erika made an announcement for the sake of attention. I found that confusing since it all seemed in good fun in large part initiated by LVP.

Edited December 25, 2016 by PhilMarlowe2

[WireWrap]

6 minutes ago, PhilMarlowe2 said:

No, I didn't feel LVP did anything wrong. Like I said, I was simply speaking to several posters saying that Erika made an announcement for the sake of attention. I found that confusing since it all seemed in good fun in large part initiated by LVP.

Ok, I kind of get it but I still have to ask why she made that announcement in the first place. I get that she wasn't wearing any undies but why the need to tell the others? All she had to do was hold up her clutch and say "nope, no spare here", or something along those lines and Lisa wasn't grabbing at her crotch feeling for undies, so there was no real need for her to reveal she didn't have any on. Announcing what she did was/is odd, most people don't reveal they aren't wearing underwear unless they are looking for a reaction from others. So, my question back to you is why do you think, really think, she announced it to begin with?

[kokapetl]

38 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Ok, I kind of get it but I still have to ask why she made that announcement in the first place. I get that she wasn't wearing any undies but why the need to tell the others? All she had to do was hold up her clutch and say "nope, no spare here", or something along those lines and Lisa wasn't grabbing at her crotch feeling for undies, so there was no real need for her to reveal she didn't have any on. Announcing what she did was/is odd, most people don't reveal they aren't wearing underwear unless they are looking for a reaction from others. So, my question back to you is why do you think, really think, she announced it to begin with?

The groups was talking about Visible Panty Line, and Kyle's just plain visible panties. 

[WireWrap]

5 minutes ago, Kokapetl said:

The groups was talking about Visible Panty Line, and Kyle's just plain visible panties. 

So you think Erika was offering Kyle another alternative, that she, Kyle, could also go commando? Possible. LOL

[zoeysmom]

49 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Ok, I kind of get it but I still have to ask why she made that announcement in the first place. I get that she wasn't wearing any undies but why the need to tell the others? All she had to do was hold up her clutch and say "nope, no spare here", or something along those lines and Lisa wasn't grabbing at her crotch feeling for undies, so there was no real need for her to reveal she didn't have any on. Announcing what she did was/is odd, most people don't reveal they aren't wearing underwear unless they are looking for a reaction from others. So, my question back to you is why do you think, really think, she announced it to begin with?

Erika slipped out of her Erika Girardi to Erika Jayne role.  No one can keep track of her personalities because the only time she is even remotely Erika Girardi, is when her pretentious husband is around and she behaves subserviently to the old coot, still dressed like Erika Jayne.  For either Erika to be taken seriously, she needs to lose the alter ego crap.  Her co-stars, should not have to be choosing who the hell they are talking to.

I think Erika was trying to join in the conversation, Dorit had already made the commando suggestion to Kyle, I don't think it became a big deal until after the season progressed, the show aired and Erika Girardi had a third personality, Beverly Beavershooter.

Also, Erika for some reason thinks she needs to be the behavior police and decide whose conversation is edging on unfriendly or unkind, unless of course the comments are coming out of her mouth.

[PhilMarlowe2]

59 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Ok, I kind of get it but I still have to ask why she made that announcement in the first place. I get that she wasn't wearing any undies but why the need to tell the others? All she had to do was hold up her clutch and say "nope, no spare here", or something along those lines and Lisa wasn't grabbing at her crotch feeling for undies, so there was no real need for her to reveal she didn't have any on. Announcing what she did was/is odd, most people don't reveal they aren't wearing underwear unless they are looking for a reaction from others. So, my question back to you is why do you think, really think, she announced it to begin with?

Because LVP wasn't sincerely asking for an extra pair of underwear for Kyle, she was playfully calling Erika out on not wearing underwear of her own. LVP touched Erika's dress, looked at her private area and cheekily said, "Erika, Kyle needs some underwear..." and Erika quipped back, "I don't have any..." and that's when LVP exclaimed, "I saw that! I saw that!" LVP was purposefully ribbing Erika for not wearing underwear, and Erika responded in kind. In my mind, there was no announcement - just two people bantering.

[Otherkate]

3 hours ago, PhilMarlowe2 said:

Because LVP wasn't sincerely asking for an extra pair of underwear for Kyle, she was playfully calling Erika out on not wearing underwear of her own. LVP touched Erika's dress, looked at her private area and cheekily said, "Erika, Kyle needs some underwear..." and Erika quipped back, "I don't have any..." and that's when LVP exclaimed, "I saw that! I saw that!" LVP was purposefully ribbing Erika for not wearing underwear, and Erika responded in kind. In my mind, there was no announcement - just two people bantering.

I'm with you - I didn't do a second by second rewatch or anything, but it seemed to me when I watched that Erika and Lisa were both joking. I actually find Erika to be completely uninteresting and I'd rather she was gone, but I hate what it looks like PK and Dorit are going to do with this stupid incident. Frankly, if I were Dorit, I would just not mention it again and I certainly wouldn't go out of my way to embarrass or shame another woman by following up by bringing her a pair of underwear the next time I saw her. I MIGHT do it to my BFF if I knew she would be okay with it, but certainly not to someone I barely know. Never. But then again, Dorit probably sees this as her only storyline and is going to run with it. No thanks. This one is a hard pass for me. I'd rather hear Rinna flap her lips about owning it for the rest of the season. 

[Guest]

I keep hearing LVP, and now Dorit's husband and Dorit, explaining how all the Americans keep misunderstanding the British sense of humor.  And then in the next breath they explain that they British sense of humor is self deprecating.  So this is an excuse for making "humorous" critical comments of other people in what way?  I can't recall LVP ever being self deprecating.  Does the definition of self differ in the UK.

[biakbiak]

4 minutes ago, ParadoxLost said:

I keep hearing LVP, and now Dorit's husband and Dorit, explaining how all the Americans keep misunderstanding the British sense of humor.  And then in the next breath they explain that they British sense of humor is self deprecating.  So this is an excuse for making "humorous" critical comments of other people in what way?  I can't recall LVP ever being self deprecating.  Does the definition of self differ in the UK.

The very exchange in question started with Lisa being self-deprecating. PK remarked that Lisa used to act and she replied that yes back when the movies were black and white and then PK made a joke in response about silent films.

I love that the sentence after Erika declared this exchange mean and rude she takes a swipe at Dorit by suggesting she and Kyle adopt fake British accents and insult people which was in fact rude and not the same thing as Lisa and Pks back and forth.

[ElDosEquis]

1 hour ago, ParadoxLost said:

I keep hearing LVP, and now Dorit's husband and Dorit, explaining how all the Americans keep misunderstanding the British sense of humor.  And then in the next breath they explain that they British sense of humor is self deprecating.  So this is an excuse for making "humorous" critical comments of other people in what way?  I can't recall LVP ever being self deprecating.  Does the definition of self differ in the UK.

Funny that the American 'sense of humor' is fully understood by the Brits?

About humor? Is that a) you have to be good at it, b) need to understand your audience c) be able to time a punchline and d) have to work clean from time to time.

When you have a constant bit of fuckery like "rumpy pumpy" and "shag" - along with other not-so-funny punchlines, you start to sound a bit like an "Austin Powers Goes to the 90210" parody?

[ElDosEquis]

5 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Erika slipped out of her Erika Girardi to Erika Jayne role.  No one can keep track of her personalities because the only time she is even remotely Erika Girardi, is when her pretentious husband is around and she behaves subserviently to the old coot, still dressed like Erika Jayne.  For either Erika to be taken seriously, she needs to lose the alter ego crap.  Her co-stars, should not have to be choosing who the hell they are talking to.

I think Erika was trying to join in the conversation, Dorit had already made the commando suggestion to Kyle, I don't think it became a big deal until after the season progressed, the show aired and Erika Girardi had a third personality, Beverly Beavershooter.

Also, Erika for some reason thinks she needs to be the behavior police and decide whose conversation is edging on unfriendly or unkind, unless of course the comments are coming out of her mouth.

The Adventures of Beverly Beavershooter, Arctic Trapper, Trader and Guide.

Spring 2017 North American Tour.

San Diego 4/12

10 dollar cover, Two drink minimum.

[lcarolynl]

On a totally different note, I thought Erika's makeup was horrendous. The unblended white line running down her nose distracted me throughout that entire scene

. 

Edited December 26, 2016 by lcarolynl

[WireWrap]

6 hours ago, PhilMarlowe2 said:

Because LVP wasn't sincerely asking for an extra pair of underwear for Kyle, she was playfully calling Erika out on not wearing underwear of her own. LVP touched Erika's dress, looked at her private area and cheekily said, "Erika, Kyle needs some underwear..." and Erika quipped back, "I don't have any..." and that's when LVP exclaimed, "I saw that! I saw that!" LVP was purposefully ribbing Erika for not wearing underwear, and Erika responded in kind. In my mind, there was no announcement - just two people bantering.

I do think Lisa was joking around but I am of the opinion that Erika wasn't. The woman takes herself far to seriously and needs to relax. She found it mean for PK, an old friend of Lisa's/Ken's, to joke with Lisa about Lisa acting in "silent movies" but thought it was appropriate when her husband likened Lisa to an alligator the first time he met her. IMO, Erika is hell bent on taking that mythical crown off of Lisa's head and placing it on her own dull head. LOL

[Former Nun]

43 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

IMO, Erika is hell bent on taking that mythical crown off of Lisa's head and placing it on her own dull head. LOL

I rarely watch this Housewives show, but Erika can go buh-bye.  What a charmless individual.  Maybe her husband "gifted" her the role.

[What In The]

Here's my two cents. Say that I am at a party and my friend/ co worker's husband walks in front of me in speedo with his ding a ling on full display. If I stare at it and keep staring is it his fault or mine? Yes, he probably shouldn't be showing his package like that but I have the choice to stop looking. PK take note.

[halkatla]

No matter what problems Eileen has with Lisa V, the only reason for them is her own bullshit drama behavior. She made all this up by the constant moaning and hammering on about being offended and needing an apology. Such childish crap should not be Lisa´s problem. I think Lisa V was acting out of character stupid with the things she said last episode about Eileen´s husband but the whole thing between them is Eileen´s fault, 100%. And the worst thing both her and Lisa Rinna did to Lisa V is making up horrible stuff and blaming it on her. That is one of the ugliest things possible to do to people. I think Rinna did very well with her apology, Eileen should apologize and put the nastiness behind her to. I just can´t stand Eileen, unless she´s in a scene alone, then she is okay, other wise she is just a Vandepump obsessed loser.

[motorcitymom65]

On 12/24/2016 at 10:52 PM, PhilMarlowe2 said:

So, LVP runs her hand up Erika's dress and knowingly asks if she has a pair of underwear Kyle could borrow and Erika is supposed to be the model of understated restraint and decorum in this situation? Heaven forbid she acknowledge the underlying meaning of LVP's initiation - Erika should have had the presence of mind to demurely deflect it lest anyone think she was causing an unnecessary scene! LVP was clearly making a statement/inquiry about Erika's lack of underwear, and Erika responded in kind. I do not see in any way how she can be accused of making an  spectacle with her "announcement" given the circumstances.

Yes, this is the sum of it all. LVP can do whatever she wants, say whatever she wants, and the burden will always be on the others to act in a proper manner. LVP is almost never expected to act in a proper manner and she knows it. That British humor that the others don't understand and all of that. 

[TattleTeeny]

21 hours ago, Almost 3000 said:

Is "moist panties" better?

Hahahhahaaaa! Those two words, man--terrible, apart and together! Someone should do a real-deal study on why so many of us hate them! Once I looked at a receipt after shopping--I forget where--and it said basically 

• Panty
• Panty
• Panty
• Panty
• Panty
• Panty
• Panty 
• Panty

I was horrified! Somehow the singular (which actually makes more sense in a grammatical way) was worse! (Also, on that CBS JonBenét show, when Dr. Lee kept saying it--oh my god, I love him but he was making me cringe!)

That said, I really hope this isn't forced into a story line here. I am willing to bet that all of these women have at some point not worn  underwear with certain outfits! That and the tutorials on British humor; it seems like that's being mentioned so often!

Edited December 26, 2016 by TattleTeeny

[SweetieDarling]

13 hours ago, Otherkate said:

I'm with you - I didn't do a second by second rewatch or anything, but it seemed to me when I watched that Erika and Lisa were both joking. I actually find Erika to be completely uninteresting and I'd rather she was gone, but I hate what it looks like PK and Dorit are going to do with this stupid incident. Frankly, if I were Dorit, I would just not mention it again and I certainly wouldn't go out of my way to embarrass or shame another woman by following up by bringing her a pair of underwear the next time I saw her. I MIGHT do it to my BFF if I knew she would be okay with it, but certainly not to someone I barely know. Never. But then again, Dorit probably sees this as her only storyline and is going to run with it. No thanks. This one is a hard pass for me. I'd rather hear Rinna flap her lips about owning it for the rest of the season. 

agree!  It didn't seem to me that Erika was annoyed or upset about the panty raid.  I think it's what Dorit and PK do with the information and the alleged peep show.  I would get mad too, if I found I had inadvertently (I'll give her the benefit of the doubt) flashed an acquaintance and they chose not to let it slide and prevent further embarrassment, but to have a full out discussion about it on camera for the world to see and know about.  That's just low, catty, mean girl behavior, imo. And we know from the previews, that Dorit won't leave it at that. 

[Almost 3000]

1 hour ago, TattleTeeny said:

Hahahhahaaaa! Those two words, man--terrible, apart and together! Someone should do a real-deal study on why so many of us hate them! Once I looked at a receipt after shopping--I forget where--and it said basically 

• Panty
• Panty
• Panty
• Panty
• Panty
• Panty
• Panty 
• Panty

I was horrified! Somehow the singular (which actually makes more sense in a grammatical way) was worse! (Also, on that CBS JonBenét show, when Dr. Lee kept saying it--oh my god, I love him but he was making me cringe!)

That said, I really hope this isn't forced into a story line here. I am willing to bet that all of these women have at some point not worn  underwear with certain outfits! That and the tutorials on British humor; it seems like that's being mentioned so often!

I don't get the word hate because neither bother me but I do see those two words cringed at a lot. But I do hate when something of minor consequence becomes a major storyline as pantygate looks like it may become. This group of housewives seem to be the biggest offenders of taking offense and turning it into a tedious storyline.  

[zoeysmom]

1 hour ago, AnitaKnight said:

agree!  It didn't seem to me that Erika was annoyed or upset about the panty raid.  I think it's what Dorit and PK do with the information and the alleged peep show.  I would get mad too, if I found I had inadvertently (I'll give her the benefit of the doubt) flashed an acquaintance and they chose not to let it slide and prevent further embarrassment, but to have a full out discussion about it on camera for the world to see and know about.  That's just low, catty, mean girl behavior, imo. And we know from the previews, that Dorit won't leave it at that. 

I believe had Erika not gone in on the British humor, while sitting with a group of Brits, claimed they could all speak in a British accent to offend, all the while waiting to go to a British press party, maybe Erika's fashion faux pas, and huge etiquette breach might have been overlooked, but the woman really does  have a way of being offensive and expecting others to look the other way.  Maybe deep in her heart she was trying to extend an olive branch to LVP and thought "sticking up" for her during the self-deprecating humor portion of the conversation was the right thing to do.  LVP has taken a lot more jabs fro Erika than LVP has ever delivered to either Erika personality.

Granted they are in the US but Erika is being invited to a British party.  It would be a little like saying if invited to a Chinese sponsored event, couldn't they just serve fries instead of rice?  C'mon we are in the US, let's do things our way.

[athousandclowns]

On December 24, 2016 at 10:19 PM, TattleTeeny said:

You guys, I hate the word "panties" so much!

I have to admit after reading these 10 pages what I'm thrown off about is that many men and women don't wear undergarments.   Guess it's best I've been out of circulation for some time. 

[TattleTeeny]

I'm guilty of it (TMI: right now...but I'm at home in leggings)! Back in the late '90s, I dug the low-cut pants trend, but not the visible-thong trend, so I espoused the "skip 'em" option.

[ElDosEquis]

51 minutes ago, athousandclowns said:

I have to admit after reading these 10 pages what I'm thrown off about is that many men and women don't wear undergarments.   Guess it's best I've been out of circulation for some time. 

Fuck  That!

 

I went for a ride on my bike and had an accident - a car cut me off.

I went  to the walk -in ER and one of the nurses I was in love with asked me to drop trou.

I couldn't because I was freeballing and too embarrassed to do so.

-----------

It was right then I had a vision of the paramedics cutting off my jeans and jeans in public if I ever REALLY had a bad accident?

[RedheadZombie]

On ‎12‎/‎24‎/‎2016 at 10:56 PM, biakbiak said:

Lisa touched the hem of Erika's dress, unless she has exray vision or Erika had told her previously Lisa would not have known if she was wearing a thong or not. I thought Lisa looked quite surprised when Erika announced she was going commando.

I don't understand how this is continuously stated as fact.  That scene showed LVP's face, not her hand or Erika's skirt.  So unless viewers were able to see what the camera did not show, it cannot be said what exactly LVP did.   LVP is always painted so innocently.  Now she just touched the hem of Erika's dress?  It seems obvious to me - as someone who does not view every action of LVP as innocent - by Lisa's reaction, as well as Erika's, that whatever LVP did with Erika's skirt exposed the lack of underwear.  It matches with LVP's reaction, as well as Erika's response.

Please, anyone here who would have "a sense of humor" about a co-worker you have a contentious relationship with, putting their hand up, or even pushing your hem up, in a group of people - speak out now.  I believe some posted that LVP would have been on the receiving end of a slap or punch.  It drives me crazy when the reaction depends on who the perpetrator is, and who is on the receiving end.  And it's amusing how Dorit is being defended because she's LVP's friend.   I cannot wait to see how she will be turned on when Lisa is through with her.      

[zoeysmom]

39 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

I don't understand how this is continuously stated as fact.  That scene showed LVP's face, not her hand or Erika's skirt.  So unless viewers were able to see what the camera did not show, it cannot be said what exactly LVP did.   LVP is always painted so innocently.  Now she just touched the hem of Erika's dress?  It seems obvious to me - as someone who does not view every action of LVP as innocent - by Lisa's reaction, as well as Erika's, that whatever LVP did with Erika's skirt exposed the lack of underwear.  It matches with LVP's reaction, as well as Erika's response.

Please, anyone here who would have "a sense of humor" about a co-worker you have a contentious relationship with, putting their hand up, or even pushing your hem up, in a group of people - speak out now.  I believe some posted that LVP would have been on the receiving end of a slap or punch.  It drives me crazy when the reaction depends on who the perpetrator is, and who is on the receiving end.  And it's amusing how Dorit is being defended because she's LVP's friend.   I cannot wait to see how she will be turned on when Lisa is through with her.      

I guess where I am lost is I don't think anyone is saying LVP stuck her hand in Erika's crotch and determined she wasn't wearing underwear.  I believe Erika, who might know, said, LVP stuck her hand under her dress, not lift up her dress.   From LVP's angle, she is sitting adjacent, she would not be able to see if Erika was wearing underwear, LVP's reaction comes when Erika makes the statement. What PK stated is he saw, a number of times Erika's private parts, sans underwear.  Before LVP ran her hand under Erika's skirt.

Erika has voiced her displeasure about LVP's actions regarding her skirt and pretty much every breath LVP takes.  So if Erika can voice her displeasure, why can't Dorit?   Dorit and PK having the conversation on camera was a rookie mistake.  Erika, maybe with Yolanda's coaching, knew better than to fill her husband in about LVP on camera.  So when he meets her for the first time and over appetizers tells her she is an alligator waiting for her prey, she carried on, instead of telling him off. 

LVP in her blog has pretty much said, the situation should have been handled with humor.  The downside for Dorit, by continuing to talk about the matter, she has alienated both Rinna and Eileen.  So you have Kyle as Switzerland and LVP being LVP and Dorit versus Erika, Rinna and Eileen. 

My defense of Dorit, PK, Ken and LVP, has more to do with Erika and her lecture on their humor.  Which did not involve her at the time.  She furthered her ignorance with her remark about Dorit being born in Connecticut and therefor cannot speak from an American's position.  I am not a fan of pantsing, boob grabbing, comments about incontinence, untying someone's bathing suit as it is juvenile and unnecessary.     

[mothmonsterman]

16 hours ago, WireWrap said:

 Erika is hell bent on taking that mythical crown off of Lisa's head and placing it on her own dull head. LOL

Never going to happen.  Erika just doesn't have enough of a warmth about her to make that happen.  Lisa, at least, really does love animals, and doesn't mind helping people who have less than her.  Erika seems to help those with less than her, but only if they are giving something in return.  Example, her glam squad, dancers and party people she employs.  Yes, she is giving them a taste of a lifestyle they probably wouldn't have access to, but only because she likes what having them around does for her image.  

I like Erika well enough since she isn't around Yolanda anymore.  I hated Yolanda so much that anyone she hung around was instantly suspect to me.  

[WireWrap]

50 minutes ago, mothmonsterman said:

Never going to happen.  Erika just doesn't have enough of a warmth about her to make that happen.  Lisa, at least, really does love animals, and doesn't mind helping people who have less than her.  Erika seems to help those with less than her, but only if they are giving something in return.  Example, her glam squad, dancers and party people she employs.  Yes, she is giving them a taste of a lifestyle they probably wouldn't have access to, but only because she likes what having them around does for her image.  

I like Erika well enough since she isn't around Yolanda anymore.  I hated Yolanda so much that anyone she hung around was instantly suspect to me.  

I would also add that she doesn't have a sense of humor either, be it American style or British.....she has none.

[RedheadZombie]

1 hour ago, zoeysmom said:

I guess where I am lost is I don't think anyone is saying LVP stuck her hand in Erika's crotch and determined she wasn't wearing underwear.  I believe Erika, who might know, said, LVP stuck her hand under her dress, not lift up her dress.   From LVP's angle, she is sitting adjacent, she would not be able to see if Erika was wearing underwear, LVP's reaction comes when Erika makes the statement. What PK stated is he saw, a number of times Erika's private parts, sans underwear.  Before LVP ran her hand under Erika's skirt.

Erika has voiced her displeasure about LVP's actions regarding her skirt and pretty much every breath LVP takes.  So if Erika can voice her displeasure, why can't Dorit?   Dorit and PK having the conversation on camera was a rookie mistake.  Erika, maybe with Yolanda's coaching, knew better than to fill her husband in about LVP on camera.  So when he meets her for the first time and over appetizers tells her she is an alligator waiting for her prey, she carried on, instead of telling him off. 

LVP in her blog has pretty much said, the situation should have been handled with humor.  The downside for Dorit, by continuing to talk about the matter, she has alienated both Rinna and Eileen.  So you have Kyle as Switzerland and LVP being LVP and Dorit versus Erika, Rinna and Eileen. 

My defense of Dorit, PK, Ken and LVP, has more to do with Erika and her lecture on their humor.  Which did not involve her at the time.  She furthered her ignorance with her remark about Dorit being born in Connecticut and therefor cannot speak from an American's position.  I am not a fan of pantsing, boob grabbing, comments about incontinence, untying someone's bathing suit as it is juvenile and unnecessary.     

I find it possible to both dislike Erika, and find LVP wrong in an interaction with Erika.  On a whole, I prefer LVP over Erika.  But the absolute certainty that all of LVP's actions are innocent, harmless, and simple British-humor are out of control.  I was actually shocked to visit another site in which the majority were critical of Lisa in commando-gate, found her actions very deliberate and absolutely non-humorous, and someone even called Erika a fan-favorite! 

There are no shades of gray in opinion, when life is always filled with shades of gray.  Someone is wrong, an attention-seeking crotch exposer, humorless, too ignorant to understand the superior British humor, full of herself, jealous of the other husbands because she's in a fake marriage with an old geezer, etc.  The other someone is a kind-hearted animal lover, known to have "self-deprecating" good ole British humor, and oh so innocently barely grazed another woman's indecent hemline, while innocently inquiring about her having a spare pair of underwear on her.  LVP was just being British, and Erika was just uptight, and couldn't take a proper joke.

No context whatsoever.  No acknowledgement that LVP, the self-described crown wearer, is in the position of being surround by close personal friends, while Erika is surrounded by virtual strangers, a neutral co-worker, and a contentious co-worker.  That LVP and Erika are in no way friends, and certainly don't have the type of relationship where they are comfortable enough to put hands on each other while slyly joking about panties.  Lisa was poking the bear, just as she was with her "self-deprecating" joke about Vinnie having his head up someone's skirt.  Lisa knows she's not saying these things to women who are friends, and who would enjoy her "humor". 

Lisa implies Kyle's too fat to wear her panties, but that's just a joke and Kyle knows it.  Lisa jokes in front of Portia about Mauricio's "other woman", but it's just a harmless joke, and Portia's too young to understand anyway.  Lisa tells Eileen that Vinnie's head is under another woman's skirt, but it's just a joke, and Eileen and Vinnie are just cheaters anyway, so Eileen doesn't have the right to be offended, and is also humorless and uptight.  Lisa lies and tells Erika that her Y&R role was originally meant for Lisa, but it's just a joke, and Erika is just too uptight to get it. 

Sometimes it's not black and right.  Sometimes it's not a joke.  Sometimes it's not because someone is humorless, and too ignorant to understand superior British humor.  In fact, I appreciate British humor.  A Fish Called Wanda is one of my favorite movies.  My problem with LVP has nothing to do with British humor.

[Former Nun]

43 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

On a whole, I prefer LVP over Erika.

Word!

[WireWrap]

38 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

I find it possible to both dislike Erika, and find LVP wrong in an interaction with Erika.  On a whole, I prefer LVP over Erika.  But the absolute certainty that all of LVP's actions are innocent, harmless, and simple British-humor are out of control.  I was actually shocked to visit another site in which the majority were critical of Lisa in commando-gate, found her actions very deliberate and absolutely non-humorous, and someone even called Erika a fan-favorite! 

There are no shades of gray in opinion, when life is always filled with shades of gray.  Someone is wrong, an attention-seeking crotch exposer, humorless, too ignorant to understand the superior British humor, full of herself, jealous of the other husbands because she's in a fake marriage with an old geezer, etc.  The other someone is a kind-hearted animal lover, known to have "self-deprecating" good ole British humor, and oh so innocently barely grazed another woman's indecent hemline, while innocently inquiring about her having a spare pair of underwear on her.  LVP was just being British, and Erika was just uptight, and couldn't take a proper joke.

No context whatsoever.  No acknowledgement that LVP, the self-described crown wearer, is in the position of being surround by close personal friends, while Erika is surrounded by virtual strangers, a neutral co-worker, and a contentious co-worker.  That LVP and Erika are in no way friends, and certainly don't have the type of relationship where they are comfortable enough to put hands on each other while slyly joking about panties.  Lisa was poking the bear, just as she was with her "self-deprecating" joke about Vinnie having his head up someone's skirt.  Lisa knows she's not saying these things to women who are friends, and who would enjoy her "humor". 

Lisa implies Kyle's too fat to wear her panties, but that's just a joke and Kyle knows it.  Lisa jokes in front of Portia about Mauricio's "other woman", but it's just a harmless joke, and Portia's too young to understand anyway.  Lisa tells Eileen that Vinnie's head is under another woman's skirt, but it's just a joke, and Eileen and Vinnie are just cheaters anyway, so Eileen doesn't have the right to be offended, and is also humorless and uptight.  Lisa lies and tells Erika that her Y&R role was originally meant for Lisa, but it's just a joke, and Erika is just too uptight to get it. 

Sometimes it's not black and right.  Sometimes it's not a joke.  Sometimes it's not because someone is humorless, and too ignorant to understand superior British humor.  In fact, I appreciate British humor.  A Fish Called Wanda is one of my favorite movies.  My problem with LVP has nothing to do with British humor.

Lisa isn't always "innocent" and most of us that support/like her know this but still like her more than most, if not all, of the others. And, Yes, Lisa does use the "It's my British humor" as an excuse when she gets her digs in at the others. BUT (LOL) when compared to humorless Erika and all too sensitive Eileen, I prefer the biting British humor to them and I do think they, Erika/Eileen/Rinna, look for reasons to be offended/mad at Lisa for their storylines anymore.

This past episode, what would you have Lisa do, ignore Erika or include her in the running underwear joke? If she had left Erika out, many would have said that she was holding a grudge against Erika for last season, include her, like she did, and we get that Lisa all but molested her and that Lisa was the cause for Erika's accidental exposure. I say, go with including her and let Erika show herself as she is......humorless.

As for Lisa's other comments that you list, some were meant as jokes but fell flat whereas others were clearly digs and some of them were deserved digs, others not at all. The comment about Vince/other woman's skirt, although a mean comment wasn't out of the blue either, it was made after Eileen embarrassed Lisa in front of the others, so it was a bit of pay back, deserved IMO but it was mean at the same time. As for Lisa's comment about the Y/R role, it was a joke, clearly a joke, a self deprecating joke at that. LOL 

[Giselle]

5 hours ago, athousandclowns said:

I have to admit after reading these 10 pages what I'm thrown off about is that many men and women don't wear undergarments.   Guess it's best I've been out of circulation for some time. 

I know! Kind of makes me want to cover my furniture in plastic before a party.  

[athousandclowns]

29 minutes ago, Giselle said:

I know! Kind of makes me want to cover my furniture in plastic before a party.  

Not to mention sliding on a booth at Denny's or The Matterhorn at Disneyland. 

[RedheadZombie]

2 hours ago, WireWrap said:

Lisa isn't always "innocent" and most of us that support/like her know this but still like her more than most, if not all, of the others. And, Yes, Lisa does use the "It's my British humor" as an excuse when she gets her digs in at the others. BUT (LOL) when compared to humorless Erika and all too sensitive Eileen, I prefer the biting British humor to them and I do think they, Erika/Eileen/Rinna, look for reasons to be offended/mad at Lisa for their storylines anymore.

This past episode, what would you have Lisa do, ignore Erika or include her in the running underwear joke? If she had left Erika out, many would have said that she was holding a grudge against Erika for last season, include her, like she did, and we get that Lisa all but molested her and that Lisa was the cause for Erika's accidental exposure. I say, go with including her and let Erika show herself as she is......humorless.

As for Lisa's other comments that you list, some were meant as jokes but fell flat whereas others were clearly digs and some of them were deserved digs, others not at all. The comment about Vince/other woman's skirt, although a mean comment wasn't out of the blue either, it was made after Eileen embarrassed Lisa in front of the others, so it was a bit of pay back, deserved IMO but it was mean at the same time. As for Lisa's comment about the Y/R role, it was a joke, clearly a joke, a self deprecating joke at that. LOL 

I get liking someone more - I really do.  I can understand commenting that you don't care if LVP is being a nasty bitch, because you like her more.   But I don't get ignoring context, or even knowingly misrepresenting a scene, or even changing what actually happened, to justify your favorite (meant as a generalization of comments).  Kyle's my favorite.  I defend Kyle.  But I don't change what was shown by the camera, and argue it vehemently, simply because she's my favorite.  Do I get frustrated when people here call her Vyle, and suggest she's a sister-tormenting, cold, fake, brainless, evil woman, who only gets men to marry her by getting pregnant?  Sure.  But I don't try to convince these people of my view point.  I will counter-argue things that seem particularly vicious, unless someone gets there first (you are very good at defending Kyle), but I try not to counter every poster who says something less than glowing of Kyle.  It's exhausting (or I'm just lazy).

I think there's a great deal of gray area between what LVP did, and simply ignoring her.  LVP has no problem with icing people out.  She wanted to get her digs in with Erika.  Lisa knew she was with HER friends, she knew Ken, PK, and Dorit would back up anything she said/did, so she got in her digs.  That's fine, but I want her to continue to own it.  If Lisa turns this into another victimization, and her fans follow suit, I'm going to lose my mind.

I strongly disagree on the Y&R crack.  Lisa wanted Erika to think she was the second choice for the part.  There's a reason Kyle immediately contradicted her - something Kyle wouldn't have done if it was an obvious joke.  And there's a reason producers showed the flashback of Lisa begging Eileen for a part - so we would know that Lisa was lying.  No need to do that for an obvious light-hearted joke. 

The housewives are allowed to dislike each other, although it can be stressful.  But I don't blame it on jealousy all the time.  I really don't think Erika is jealous of LVP and her relationship with Ken.  I really don't think she's jealous of Dorit and her frequently bankrupted (UK and US) hubby PK, and their legendary love story.  I don't think LVP dislikes Erika because she's jealous.  I don't think Kyle dislikes anyone because she's jealous.  Why is that always the go to with women?  Why are men allowed to dislike other men but are never accused of insecurity and jealousy?

Sorry, I'm obviously getting lost in a stream of consciousness.  This isn't particularly aimed at you, WW, it's more my impressions of this franchise in general, and it worked in response to your comment.  As always, no hard feelings?

[FairyDusted]

On 12/25/2016 at 11:33 AM, Almost 3000 said:

Is "moist panties" better?

LA LA LA LA! Let's go with Panties.........cuz *oist shall never be spoken of.

[WireWrap]

5 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

I get liking someone more - I really do.  I can understand commenting that you don't care if LVP is being a nasty bitch, because you like her more.   But I don't get ignoring context, or even knowingly misrepresenting a scene, or even changing what actually happened, to justify your favorite (meant as a generalization of comments).  Kyle's my favorite.  I defend Kyle.  But I don't change what was shown by the camera, and argue it vehemently, simply because she's my favorite.  Do I get frustrated when people here call her Vyle, and suggest she's a sister-tormenting, cold, fake, brainless, evil woman, who only gets men to marry her by getting pregnant?  Sure.  But I don't try to convince these people of my view point.  I will counter-argue things that seem particularly vicious, unless someone gets there first (you are very good at defending Kyle), but I try not to counter every poster who says something less than glowing of Kyle.  It's exhausting (or I'm just lazy).

I think there's a great deal of gray area between what LVP did, and simply ignoring her.  LVP has no problem with icing people out.  She wanted to get her digs in with Erika.  Lisa knew she was with HER friends, she knew Ken, PK, and Dorit would back up anything she said/did, so she got in her digs.  That's fine, but I want her to continue to own it.  If Lisa turns this into another victimization, and her fans follow suit, I'm going to lose my mind.

I strongly disagree on the Y&R crack.  Lisa wanted Erika to think she was the second choice for the part.  There's a reason Kyle immediately contradicted her - something Kyle wouldn't have done if it was an obvious joke.  And there's a reason producers showed the flashback of Lisa begging Eileen for a part - so we would know that Lisa was lying.  No need to do that for an obvious light-hearted joke. 

The housewives are allowed to dislike each other, although it can be stressful.  But I don't blame it on jealousy all the time.  I really don't think Erika is jealous of LVP and her relationship with Ken.  I really don't think she's jealous of Dorit and her frequently bankrupted (UK and US) hubby PK, and their legendary love story.  I don't think LVP dislikes Erika because she's jealous.  I don't think Kyle dislikes anyone because she's jealous.  Why is that always the go to with women?  Why are men allowed to dislike other men but are never accused of insecurity and jealousy?

Sorry, I'm obviously getting lost in a stream of consciousness.  This isn't particularly aimed at you, WW, it's more my impressions of this franchise in general, and it worked in response to your comment.  As always, no hard feelings?

No hard feelings! I get where you are coming from but there is a rather large elephant in the room with anything we see and that is editing. We are only allowed to see snippets of conversations/interactions between these women with most of the footage left on the cutting room floor, so much of what we see is open to interpretation. And production does it for the sole purpose of keeping us, the viewer, divided between the HWs so that we keep tuning back in each week. They edit the footage to tell their story, not necessarily what really happened so there is always room for discussion/debate.

Again, no hard feelings, I love to yack about these HWs, all of them. LOL

[Giselle]

1 hour ago, athousandclowns said:

Not to mention sliding on a booth at Denny's or The Matterhorn at Disneyland. 

I guess one could go around putting toilet seat covers on seats in public before sitting down.

[WireWrap]

29 minutes ago, Giselle said:

I guess one could go around putting toilet seat covers on seats in public before sitting down.

One could carry around a can of Lysol or a baggie full of Clotox wipes! LOL Hmmm, I wonder how germophobe Rinna would feel sitting down in the same seat directly after commando Erika sat there? LOL