Bachelor in Paradise in the Media

[Alapaki]

Well oh, MY.  

Lots more here than meets the eye.  Getting these contestants drunk and naked in the pool is pretty much the raison d'être for this entire series.  So that can't be the reason to shut down filming.  

If the concern/scandal was about the fact that they filmed something?  That's easy enough.  Promise to never air the footage.  I'm sure they're sitting on hours of footage that lots of contestants want very much to never see the light of day.

If the concern was some non-consensual activity?  There again, it's much easier to get rid of both DeMario and Corrine and turn the footage over to the authorities.

I wouldn't read too much at this point into the reference to "third party complaint".  We don't know if that's the reporter's interpretation of something she read or not.  As a lawyer, there are two ways I usually hear that term used: 1) to distinguish a lawsuit against, for example, another driver who causes an auto accident, which distinguishes it from a "first party complaint" which would be against your own insurance company for uninsured or underinsured motorist coverage; and 2) with a workplace injury where you can't sue your employer because of workers' compensation but you can sue a "third party" if they are responsible for your injury (i.e. the company that manufactured the defective forklift, etc.)

It's not clear that the producer is an "employee" of the show.  She could be considered an "independent contractor".  Or, under California law, the show could still be legally considered her "employer" for workers' comp purposes.  But in that case, she couldn't sue the show.  There are different exceptions in different states that would allow an employer to sue.

All in all, it's too early to tell.  But what is absolutely certain to me is that this isn't just about two famewhores getting it on in the pool.

[backformore]

From twitter, it seems Corrine and Demario got drunk, then were naked in the pool.

 

ETA:  I wonder if the show provided, or allowed, illegal drugs on the set, which paved the way for whatever happened in the pool.

Edited June 12, 2017 by backformore

[dirtypop90]

http://people.com/tv/bachelor-in-paradise-suspends-production-over-alleged-misconduct/?utm_campaign=peoplemagazine&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&xid=socialflow_twitter_peoplemag

Sounds like consent is the issue:

“It’s an incredibly difficult and complicated situation, primarily involving two contestants,” the source close to the show told PEOPLE “The show absolutely values the primacy of consent, and this instance it appears as though conduct allegedly occurred without the proper consent having been given. There are still a lot of unanswered questions, and a lot of people who need a chance to tell their stories fully, and the producers and the authorities will make sure they are given every opportunity to do so. Most of all, everyone wants to ensure the safety and well-being, both mentally and physically, of all parties involved.”

[Alapaki]

Interesting that it was Warner Bros that pulled the plug.  Suggesting that whatever happened was not enough to prompt Fleiss & Co to do so.  Interesting.  But not surprising.

Also, looking at that cast photo from the airport, I wonder what they were told.  Because they're certainly not acting like they're leaving the set that was the scene of a potentially very serious crime.

[dirtypop90]

^ Since there is an investigation supposedly happening, they likely weren't told anything other than there was an incident and the show has been suspended.

I also wonder if the show tried to manipulate the two "villains" into hooking up and it backfired on them.

Edited June 12, 2017 by dirtypop90

[CindyBee]

5 minutes ago, dirtypop90 said:

I also wonder if the show tried to manipulate the two "villains" into hooking up and it backfired on them.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn that.   

They rolled the dice with suspect characters like Chad last season and made it barely through but not this year with Corinne and DeMario.     

[dirtypop90]

Plus the producer being so upset she didn't come to work the next day...maybe I've been watching too many episodes of UnREAL, but I'm  really starting to believe the show had a HEAVY hand in corrine and demario hooking up the FIRST night and a line was crossed in the producer's mind.

Edited June 12, 2017 by dirtypop90

[Artsda]

This sounds like a mess. 

Not surprised Corinne is involved, drunk is totally her and naked in pools on camera is her move too. She did both on Nick's season, so on BIP of course they'd have her ramp it up. 

I don't understand the Producer suing part though, suing for having to watch? Has to be more than that, what did this Producer think what show she/he were working on?

Edited June 12, 2017 by Artsda

[backformore]

7 minutes ago, Artsda said:

I don't understand the Producer suing part though, suing for having to watch? Has to be more than that, what did this Producer think what show she/he were working on?

Maybe it's pre-emptive, to make sure they don't get blamed for whatever happened. 

IF you're involved in a TV show, and suddenly find you're in the middle of something that's more like a porno, yeah, I can see the point of a lawsuit.

[OldWiseOne]

Just read a rumour posted on another board that started on Reddit that Corinne and Demario were naked and in the pool fooling around. The producer felt they were both too drunk to consent to anything but the show wouldn't let her intervene and told her to keep rolling. The producer didn't show up the next day and is the one that is filing suit. Again, just another rumour.

TMZ has a story up now: TMZ story

Edited June 12, 2017 by OldWiseOne
add TMZ story

[waving feather]

So, when they say BIP is cancelled, do they mean the whole show is cancelled or just this season? If the show itself is cancelled, what a bummer just because some people don't know how to toe the line without crossing it.

Edited June 12, 2017 by waving feather

[Artsda]

28 minutes ago, OldWiseOne said:

Just read a rumour posted on another board that started on Reddit that Corinne and Demario were naked and in the pool fooling around. The producer felt they were both too drunk to consent to anything but the show wouldn't let her intervene and told her to keep rolling. The producer didn't show up the next day and is the one that is filing suit. Again, just another rumour.

TMZ has a story up now: TMZ story

This makes the Producer make more sense. Especially if the Producer tried to stop it because they were too drunk and the show wouldn't let him/her.

[fib]

23 minutes ago, waving feather said:

So, when they say BIP is cancelled, do they mean the whole show is cancelled or just this season? If the show itself is cancelled, what a bummer just because some people don't know how to toe the line without crossing it.

It is currently unclear.  It definitely seems like this season is off, since everyone is sent home.  This type of story, though, is the kind of thing that takes down a franchise.  No one wants the risk of airing it or spending money to produce next season.  Im curious though - does this mean no Bachelor Olympics? 

10 minutes ago, Artsda said:

This makes the Producer make more sense. Especially if the Producer tried to stop it because they were too drunk and the show wouldn't let him/her.

The twitter feeds seem to indicate that there was no 'sex' in the traditional sense, because of all the booze it was impossible (wow - DeMario's rep keeps getting better and better). It appears there may have been some oral sex occurring, and that local production was fine with the footage.  The producer who was upset by the situation failed to return to work and then filed suit (following... what? Maybe being treated badly by the local management? Who knows, but this treatment may be more problematic legally than whatever was on film). The studio, when they got wind of the law suit, cancelled production from back in the states.

 

My interpretation of this? Corinne and DeMario were drunk enough that there was enough of a concern about consent to scare the studio, especially with an angry producer ready to spout off. The local production management was probably way out of line in someone's treatment.  WB didnt trust them anymore and shut down the show, Especially when they want to protect the PR high they are riding with the 'first black bachelorette' season.  After all, it's not every season you get Ellen, Ashton Kutcher, Mila Kunis, Kareem Abdul Jabbar and lord knows who else to participate inthe show. This story could blow it all. 

[dirtypop90]

DeMario's version of events:

http://www.tmz.com/2017/06/11/bachelor-in-paradise-suspended-demario-jackson-corrine-olympios-oral-sex-pool/

 

Here's DeMario's version of events, as told by people with whom he spoke:

Last Sunday -- the first day of production at a Mexican resort -- DeMario Jackson and Corinne Olympios were told by producers one of the story lines would be the 2 of them hooking up ... especially entertaining because both are considered villains from previous shows.

We're told the 2 met at the bar and the alcohol was flowing. DeMario says Corinne jumped in his lap and started making out with him. We're told there was lots of "intense rubbing."

DeMario says Corinne then suggested they retreat to the pool, with the cameras rolling. They took off their clothes, started making out and "rubbing, touching and fingering." He says she put her genitals in his face and he began licking, but we're told this allegation is a big point of contention and others disagree with his account. He says he was not able to engage in intercourse because of the alcohol.

DeMario says the next day everything was fine and he and Corrine were actually getting along well, but on Tuesday they were called in by the Executive Producer and told one of the show producers had seen the film and was "uncomfortable" with what was shot.  

The producer has filed a formal complaint with Warner Bros. Warner brass immediately suspended production, launched an investigation and released DeMario and Corrine. Two days later Warner Bros. released the entire cast while they investigated alleged "misconduct."

As we said, there are other versions of what happened that differ from DeMario's.

 

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Just gross to me.  They pushed it with those two who just need to sign up to do porn if that's what they want to do.

Edited June 12, 2017 by dirtypop90

[Armchair Critic]

Not that Corinne is a shrinking violet by any means but DeMario IMO has shown himself to be a sleazebag after his "who is that?" when his girlfriend/bootycall showed up and now this.

[dirtypop90]

^And a complete  idiot. I mean he just admitted to licking a drunk woman's genitals in a pool in front of cameras on the first night of filming. The producers completely play him on the bachelorette and get him out of there on ep. 2 and it doesn't stop him from allegedly going along with the script on BIP and getting into a bigger mess the first night of filming BIP.

 

And why the hell is he talking?! I'd be lawyering up if I were him. A BIG OLE IDIOT is what he is.

Edited June 12, 2017 by dirtypop90

[backformore]

42 minutes ago, dirtypop90 said:

Last Sunday -- the first day of production at a Mexican resort -- DeMario Jackson and Corinne Olympios were told by producers one of the story lines would be the 2 of them hooking up ... especially entertaining because both are considered villains from previous shows.

ANd this shows how fake the whole thing is.   The producers tell them who to hook up with?   SO it's more of a scripted show, isn't it?

Edited June 12, 2017 by backformore

[Alapaki]

Yikes!  If that's the story DeMario wants out there (the story that, presumably, he thinks helps him), I can't wait to hear what really happened!

Piecing this new information together, with "being told by producers" that the "storyline" was for them to hook up; with their (presumably) initial meeting being (I assume) coordinated by the producers to amidst alcohol (yeah, I know, the whole show is . . . ); with his contention that there was a lot of drinking (hence, whiskey-dick), and then this his . . . ending up in her . . . ; I can completely see an on-site producer getting worried about one or the other of them accusing the show of putting them in a position to be non-consensually violated.  

We saw one post that suggested consent was the issue.  And TMZ says that the specific sequence of who put whose what in whose where is "a big point of contention".  

I'm pretty sure that's not "waived" or covered in any way by any contract that they sign to be on the show.  

But, the question remains, what motivated the on-site producer to sue?  And, I'm guessing that this will be the biggest scandal to come out of this.  

Now the on-site producer (who eventually sues) may have had major reservations as she was watching this happen.  And may or may not have tried to speak up or do something to intervene.  At the least, I'm sure TPTB had no plans for their "storyline" to move that quickly.  

Maybe he/she gets some pushback from his/her supervisors.  And maybe he/she gets the sense (justified or not) that if DiMario and/or Corrine later made an allegation of non-consensual violation, that his/her supervisors would hang them out to dry and say that they were to blame for DiMario and Corrine getting drunk and that the producer should have stopped them.  

I could totally see someone wanting to take a pre-emptive step by lodging their own complaint.  

As far as how this will affect the other shows of the franchise, I think that story (the role of the producer and his/her supervisors) will tell the tale.  Because that will pull the curtain back on practices that presumably occur across all of the shows.  

I think this just turned into the MOST. DRAMATIC. EPISODE. EVER!

[waving feather]

Both of them are idiots but the producers and people involved behind the scenes who encouraged it and didn't do anything to stop it were worse.

[Stillhoping]

Wow...from all we are hearing seems like producer is covering her butt

I will miss this crapfest but there is a silver lining...NO Carly and Evan televised Wedding! Yay

[JudyObscure]

I have no sympathy for the producer who was shocked over it all, either.  In past seasons they've shown Josh and Amanda doing it under the covers. Various hand jobs in the pool.  Laci and assorted men in the pool.  Ashley peeing in the ocean.  She should have watched the show before taking the job.

Can we have a new show?  "Bachelors in Court?"  I want to see DeMario on the stand when Corinne walks in and hear him say, "Who's this?"  I want to see Corinne testifying while munching cheese pasta.  Telling all about how they took off all their clothes in the pool and she wrapped her legs around him and the next thing she knew he was doing something,  without her consent! 

[TomGirl]

It was really just a matter of time, and I'm surprised that it took so long.

[nicgwatchingtv]

Leave it to those two to out-tacky and out-fake this tackiest and fakest of shows...

which I'm going to miss-because of stupid DeMario and stupid Corinne.

Edited June 12, 2017 by nicgwatchingtv

[waving feather]

Chris Harrison will finally be justified in saying it was the MOST SHOCKING & DRAMATIC SEASON EVER! But too bad, we may not get to see it.

I was actually looking forward to see the girls from Nick's season. Not sure Astrid was going to be on or not, but I was looking forward to her deadpan humor. And I was curious to see how Amanda will spin about being on the show again after her dramatic break-up with Josh. You know she has a sob-story in hand and ever ready to bad-mouth Josh, like how she should have listened to her friends blah blah blah. Raven would have been a blast as well, with her outrageous stories. That girl was made to be on BIP.

Now, we may never know. Boo.

1 hour ago, JudyObscure said:

I want to see DeMario on the stand when Corinne walks in and hear him say, "Who's this?"

LMAO. Thanks for the laugh. DeMario will never live that down.

Edited June 12, 2017 by waving feather

[Rainsong]

Well, they kept throwing gasoline on a fire and got burnt.  As usual, the producers' claims of surprise over the result are the most disingenuous and annoying portion of the story.

Correction:  the politically correct Little Red Book Of HR Management and its cult-like adherents are equally annoying.

The phrase 'consenting adults' and its meaning seems to have disappeared especially among tongue-clucking overgrown hall monitors.  At least the old Puritans had the courage to condemn acts they disapproved of.  The New Puritans are cowards hiding behind rules, regulations and box-ticking.  If 'being uncomfortable' is a standard for scrapping any human endeavor then there are no standards at all except the caprice of self-appointed saints.

Presumably the participants signed contracts and, crucially, waivers. 

I don't know DeMario from Adam's housecat since I rarely watch The Bachelorette but if his quote 'he and Corinne were informed by producers that 'one of the story lines would be the two of them hooking up' is anything close to accurate then a) it confirms what we already suspected about scripting and b) he was behaving in accordance with their wishes.

Then there are the financial aspects.  Shooting was done in Mexico primarily because it's cheap(er).  Although they'll never admit it, moving production out of the States also gets them away from some of the red tape in the US including union rules, which is why so many productions move to Vancouver and elsewhere.  Chris Harrison acquired a stake as producer several years back, which I believe is one reason for the transition from Bachelor Pad to BIP ie higher margins and sillier plots to entice the gullible (Bachelor Pad always had superior, er, 'talent' as its cast could remain in LA).  But any production must deal with insurance, bonding, etc. before a minute of footage is shot.

If they have, in fact, scratched the entire season that represents a huge loss for the producers and/or their underwriters.  It also presents ABC/Disney with a massive hole in their otherwise moribund summer schedule and a PR disaster when they must explain the hows and whys.  And speaking of Disney, one can't help but suspect that their unyielding corporate culture might have contributed to the laughable charge of 'workplace misconduct' as if this were a widget factory and two people had a quick smooch in the canteen during a break.  Workplace Misconduct could be the alternate title for this drunken gropefest.  It's a hell of a time to discover young horny singles might get drunk and let nature take its course.

Edited June 12, 2017 by Rainsong

[Martinigirl]

Whaaaaaaaa Boom! 

[MakeMeLaugh]

8 hours ago, fib said:

....

My interpretation of this? Corinne and DeMario were drunk enough that there was enough of a concern about consent to scare the studio, especially with an angry producer ready to spout off. The local production management was probably way out of line in someone's treatment.  WB didnt trust them anymore and shut down the show, Especially when they want to protect the PR high they are riding with the 'first black bachelorette' season.  After all, it's not every season you get Ellen, Ashton Kutcher, Mila Kunis, Kareem Abdul Jabbar and lord knows who else to participate in the show. This story could blow it all. 

Poor Rachel. This mess will surely spill over to the main show--DeMario and Corrine could take the whole empire down, at worst, and at best tarnish it so only D-listers will want to be associated with it. Although I don't really blame those two chucklehead famewhores, as nothing seems to happen on any of the Bachelor series that wasn't directed. 

[ByTor]

2 hours ago, JudyObscure said:

In past seasons they've shown Josh and Amanda doing it under the covers. Various hand jobs in the pool.  Laci and assorted men in the pool. 

Thanks for bringing this up, @JudyObscure.  My 1st thought was that there must be a hell of a lot more about this story than what is leaking out...they IMO really pushed the limits with "in bed" scenes between Grant & Lace (who, by the way, were both drunk pretty much all the time & there was no hand-wringing over "consent").

@Rainsong, thumbs up to every single part of your post!

[backformore]

8 hours ago, Alapaki said:

But, the question remains, what motivated the on-site producer to sue?  And, I'm guessing that this will be the biggest scandal to come out of this.  

 

2 hours ago, JudyObscure said:

I have no sympathy for the producer who was shocked over it all, either. 

I'm just guessing here.  But I could see someone involved in production understanding that this is a somewhat sleazy "dating"  show, but then being upset that when filming or editing, they had what seemed to be pornography.  Yes, past seasons have had night-vision cameras capturing some bedroom antics. But that doesn't mean that someone can't say "no, directing/filming/editing PORN was not what I signed on for." 

[Sir RaiderDuck OMS]

TMZ is reporting that Corinne may have been too drunk to legally consent, which opens the door to sexual assault allegations.

[TomGirl]

Corrine's father must be so proud.

[Alapaki]

The latest TMZ report seems to confirm my speculation from overnight.  At least someone, and it seems like it was someone other than the field producer, was concerned that Corrine was so impaired that she was being taken advantage of.

[I think it's a good time to remember that, as much as Corrine may be a piece of shit, and as much schadenfreude comes from seeing this STD-ridden franchise brought low, no one deserves to be sexually imposed upon without their consent.  And consensually getting shit-faced is not the same as consenting to whatever follows.  It appears there are very serious legal issues at play here.  And the role that Production plays in creating an environment and encouraging at least the potential for such alleged crimes is a real issue that demands attention.  But there is going to be a tendency by some to play the "Corrine is a slut" card as a way to defend Production.]

There are certainly many more facts yet to surface.  But right now this looks pretty bad for Production.  To say nothing of DiMario.  

[Artsda]

Quote

 

A source close to the Bachelor in Paradise cast tells ET that when the cast first arrived to film the new season in Mexico, they were "drinking all day, having a good time… the guys and girls were bopping around, talking to everyone, trying to make connections."

According to the source, DeMario Jackson -- who was previously a contestant on the current season of The Bachelorette -- was soon approached by Corinne Olympios -- who famously competed for Nick Viall's heart on the most recent season of The Bachelor.

"DeMario was in the pool," the source said. "Next thing you know,Corinne comes over and hops on his lap. They start talking and joking."

The source says that things escalated quickly between the two contestants, leading to the pair getting hot and heavy together.

"Everyone is just going about their business. Cameras are rolling. Producers are everywhere," the source said. "That's when a 'third party' felt uncomfortable, claiming misconduct in the workplace. As of right now, production of Paradise is suspended indefinitely. And they are sending everyone home and telling everyone else to stay home. DeMario and Corinne got sent home soon after." 

The source went on to explain that the "third party" who made the complaint was a producer on the show.

However, the source says the producers on the show encouraged Jackson and Olympios to get together.

Following the incident, there appears to be no bad blood between the two contestants. "DeMario was trying to reach Corinne via email, Instagram and Facebook for a few days. Finally, [he] got a hold of her, they exchanged numbers and they've been talking. They are both speaking and on good terms," the source added.

 

http://www.etonline.com/tv/219447_why_bachelor_paradise_shut_down_after_incident_between_demario_jackson_corinne_olympios/

[Martinigirl]

Anyone else thinking it could have been the cast filing a complaint? I mean, I would if it is true Corrine was being taken advantage of, even if I didn't like her

[truthaboutluv]

I'm not surprised something of this nature happened involving Corinne. A lot of viewers throughout Nick's season always felt that a lot of Corinne's antics were producer-influenced (like yeah she just pulled out the whip cream on her own and blew up the bouncy castle) and more importantly, that she seemed drunk and slurring for most of the season. It was one of the reasons so many were always grossed out by any interactions with her and Nick because she always came across as an oversexed child and at 35, he was like the creepy old guy around her.

Also, her reactions every time Nick as politely and nicely as possible turned down some of her advances made it even clearer how insecure she really was and was probably being manipulated by producers, while being plied with alcohol. So I am in no way surprised that things went too far and shit hit the fan. This is just like when the Tonya lawsuit happened on MTV's The Challenge. These shows skirt dangerously close to incidents like this happening for years, what with contestants being liquored up, manipulated and producers wanting to push the boundaries more and more. So yeah, eventually shit gets taken too far. Will be interesting to see if this affects Rachel's season and the franchise on the whole. 

Edited June 12, 2017 by truthaboutluv

[DEL901]

People Magazine has now removed Corrine's name from the story:  http://people.com/tv/bachelor-in-paradise-demario-jackson-sexual-encounter/

[Wings]

Update from the other board: 

Amy Kaufman‏Verified account @AmyKinLA  10m10 minutes ago

I just spoke to a source who says he knows why "Bachelor in Paradise" was just cancelled. Here we go:

On the first day of production, Sunday, DeMario and Corinne got extremely drunk, per my source.

Corinne came up to DeMario at the bar and kissed him. They proceeded to the pool, where they got naked.

From this point forward, things turned into "soft core porn." They did not have sex. But it was very raunchy.

The following day, Monday, a producer who witnessed this hook-up did not show up to work.

According to my source, this producer went on to sue the production for misconduct over what she witnessed between DeMario and Corinne.

DeMario and Corinne were both shown footage of their hookup during their interviews in the days following their rendezvous.

https://twitter.com/amykinla

Edited June 12, 2017 by wings707

[Martinigirl]

I find it odd that the "leaks" were mostly against Corinne. Almost to the point of blaming Corrine. Not to mention, the tweets from Amy clearly came from an attorney.  Shady AF!

[Wings]

5 minutes ago, DEL901 said:

People Magazine has now removed Corrine's name from the story:  http://people.com/tv/bachelor-in-paradise-demario-jackson-sexual-encounter/

Interesting her name was removed. 

ETA.  Perhaps her Dad threatened a law suit. 

Edited June 12, 2017 by wings707

[Martinigirl]

1 minute ago, wings707 said:

Interesting her name was removed. 

Very odd!!!!

PR move?

Leaks of Corrine being the slutty one? 

Covering their ass?

[CindyBee]

9 minutes ago, DEL901 said:

People Magazine has now removed Corrine's name from the story:  http://people.com/tv/bachelor-in-paradise-demario-jackson-sexual-encounter/

 

And Reality Steve has deleted his tweets naming both of them since there is now more information coming out that she may have been too impaired to consent to whatever happened in that pool.

Such a freakin mess to something that should be a fun, fluffy type show.  Guess the producers will be regretting their decision to push things for a long, long, time to come. 

[Martinigirl]

Reality Steve will be on Jenny McCartney's show in a few minutes.  Would love to know what he has to say! (hint) :)

[Alapaki]

Most publications follow a "rape shield" rule whereby they refrain from publishing the name of victims of alleged sexual assault. 

 

They could just just be being overly cautious. Or they could have information that suggests this is the real deal 

[Wings]

The producer is suing because she was "uncomfortable?"  Oh good god.   Go get a superior and ask they stop it.  Or if you are in charge, stop it yourself with help from the rest of crew.  She has put ABC, the show and participants in the news and some kind of legal trouble (not sure what).  And she has zero chance of getting a job anywhere on TV.  LOL!   No guns were involved, handle this like a sane adult.  

I hate that our society is so litigious.  HATE IT. 

Edited June 12, 2017 by wings707

[aw86]

2 minutes ago, wings707 said:

The producer is suing because she was "uncomfortable?"  Oh good god.   Go get a superior and ask they stop it.  Or if you are in charge, stop it yourself with help from the rest of crew.  She has put ABC, the show and participants in the news and some kind of legal trouble (not sure what).  And she has zero chance of getting a job anywhere on TV.  LOL!   No guns were involved, handle this like a sane adult.  

I hate that our society is so litigious.  HATE IT. 

I am not sure she was suing.  It sounds to me like she may have filed a third party criminal complaint on behalf of Corinne

Edited June 12, 2017 by aw86

[Wings]

1 minute ago, aw86 said:

I am not sure we was suing.  It sounds to me like she may have filed a third party criminal complaint on behalf of Corinne

We will know more details as this moves forward.  I have heard the mummer of rape too but dismissed it.  I just don't see that holding water (pun intended). 

[alannaofdoom]

3 minutes ago, Alapaki said:

Most publications follow a "rape shield" rule whereby they refrain from publishing the name of victims of alleged sexual assault. 

 

They could just just be being overly cautious. Or they could have information that suggests this is the real deal 

Was just about to post this - it doesn't necessarily tell us any more about what happened, but it's prudent given that there is legal action taking place. 

 

4 minutes ago, wings707 said:

The producer is suing because she was "uncomfortable?"  Oh good god.   Go get a superior and ask they stop it.  Or if you are in charge, stop it yourself with help from the rest of crew.  She has put ABC, the show and participants in the news and some kind of legal trouble (not sure what).  And she has zero chance of getting a job anywhere on TV.  LOL!   No guns were involved, handle this like a sane adult.  

I hate that our society is so litigious.  HATE IT. 

Or, ABC and the show have put the participants in some kind of legal trouble - and potential physical danger - by creating an environment in which participants are pressured to drink past the point of safety. Yes they're adults and they've signed contracts and waivers and what-not, but there's a limit to what that covers. 

[Lsk02]

I wonder if when Corrine was being interviewed about the hook up the next day sober (or, less drunk?) she indicated that she did not consent and that's what got this whole ball rolling? Although that doesn't line up with the timeline of the producer not coming to work the following day, unless I'm misunderstanding what's been released so far. 

 

DeMario was not smart to give such a detailed description to the press. 

[Alapaki]

21 minutes ago, wings707 said:

The producer is suing because she was "uncomfortable?"  Oh good god.   Go get a superior and ask they stop it.  Or if you are in charge, stop it yourself with help from the rest of crew.  She has put ABC, the show and participants in the news and some kind of legal trouble (not sure what).  And she has zero chance of getting a job anywhere on TV.  LOL!   No guns were involved, handle this like a sane adult.

I think it may be a little too soon to make a judgment about the producer, based on what we know right now.

I agree that if he/she saw something they were uncomfortable with, they absolutely should have taken steps to stop it.  

I (at least) have been assuming that when the reports say the producer failed to show up for work the next day, that he/she voluntarily stayed away because they were uncomfortable, etc.  But it's entirely possible that the producer was actually fired, or at least removed from the set when they tried to intervene.  We just don't know yet.

At the same time, in the context of these type of reality shows, "producer" is not nearly the glamorous or power-filled position that the label suggests.  We could be talking about an early 20-something kid who's a step above a production assistant, on location in a foreign country.  For all we know the show holds their visas.  

So, yeah, there's probably always more this producer could have done, but we need a lot more facts to really know for sure.  

[Wings]

Just now, Alapaki said:

I think it may be a little too soon to make a judgment about the producer, based on what we know right now.

I agree that if he/she saw something they were uncomfortable with, they absolutely should have taken steps to stop it.  

I (at least) have been assuming that when the reports say the producer failed to show up for work the next day, that he/she voluntarily stayed away because they were uncomfortable, etc.  But it's entirely possible that the producer was actually fired, or at least removed from the set when they tried to intervene.  We just don't know yet.

At the same time, in the context of these type of reality shows, "producer" is not nearly the glamorous or power-filled position that the label suggests.  We could be talking about an early 20-something kid who's a step above a production assistant, on location in a foreign country.  For all we know the show holds their visas.  

So, yeah, there's probably always more this producer could have done, but we need a lot more facts to really know for sure.  

 

I am commenting only what I read now.  I am very aware things will, most likely, change.  It isn't any fun to wait though!  LOL 

I am aware of what a producers job entails and there are different levels of involvement and responsibility, most not glamorous.   

Good point that she might have been fired or asked to step down from being involved with the situation at hand.