S11.E21: Reunion Part 3

[Ubiquitous]

18 minutes ago, mbaywife123 said:

Kelly "I think the whole world likes me" WTH!!!

OMG! Kelly is so mental!

[Missmissie173]

Did I hear Andy tell Vicki not to tell him to shut-up!  Guess the romance is over...boo hoo!

[Ubiquitous]

4 minutes ago, mbaywife123 said:

So Vicki saying that she missed one week of work and it cost her 25k in income means that she makes 1.3 million a year. Can anyone spell fake insurance claim? This woman is nothing more than a multi-level, pyramid scheme, opt in or out grifter.

It's funny b/c I remember on TVwoP, before their original RHoOC board was deleted, some local lunatic made that claim about Vicki and gloated about being unable to wait for her little empire to come crashing down.

[mbaywife123]

17 minutes ago, Ubiquitous said:

It's funny b/c I remember on TVwoP, before their original RHoOC board was deleted, some local lunatic made that claim about Vicki and gloated about being unable to wait for her little empire to come crashing down.

I am not the local lunatic that posted that ( by the way I don't think you meant me! I'm not that self absorbed) but in general here is how I understand insurance agents make their money.

Insurance agent sells you a policy and as long as that policy is in force they make a commission off of your renewal(s).

Life insurance and annuities are the best for them as they go on for years until you die or cash out

[UsernameFatigue]

What I got from the whole Shannon/Vicki "she said she said" was that what Shannon told Vicki is what Shannon said on the show tonight. Which is why Kelly said that what Shannon said made sense. Vicki decided to make it into something it wasn't because she wanted to get back at Shannon for dumping her after Brooks' fake cancer scam was exposed.

I find it amazing that Vicki is so concerned about Shannon. Yet continued, even as recently as the trip to Irelend to bemoan how much she misses Brooks. Brooks, the guy who pulled her hair. Brooks, the guy who told her son in law he should beat the crap out of her daughter. And I really wish someone had brought up Vicki's new guy's past. The allegations of violence. Heck, they could even have pulled a Vicki and made some stuff up. Just so she could see what it feels like. They are way, way too easy on her.

[Granimal]

28 minutes ago, ScoobieDoobs said:

Thank you for sharing.  I was giving Shannon a real side eye when she was blurting out that story.  My sister (who I am very close to) went thru an abusive marriage & divorce, which I witnessed helplessly & in horror & in terrible sadness.  Look, Shannon may have been telling a true story.  I just don't believe her story.  I don't.  And I'm wondering if anyone who has been thru an abusive situation (or close to one) had the same reaction I did.  My gut says she doesn't want the real story out there.  Bottom line is she shouldn't be on the show -- particularly if she's so concerned what her daughters will think of her marriage.  Uh, that ship sailed a long time ago, Shannon.

I'll chime in. My completely unknowing opinion is that Shannon and David got into a fight while drinking. The fight continued back at home. Likely some verbal abuse and a possible act of physical abuse (i.e. David threw something that hit Shannon, or David pushed Shannon into a wall, etc.) then David stormed off, and locked Shannon out of the room he was in. Shannon was pissed and upset and tried to drunkenly pound against the door. Most likely hysterically begging him to apologize. Someone (Shannon?) called the police. One of them had to get arrested. David plead...guilty(?) which is pretty astounding for someone so rich. Now none of that could be true, this is just an example of marital violence. There are so many different forms of dating/ marital violence, it's a total we'll never know situation. Honestly, I believe it's all in the past, and I don't really care if Shannon lies about it. A lot of domestic violence plays out much differently than a television show depicts. The common idea seems to be a man yelling that his wife hasn't cooked him dinner and her running away from him cowering. None of the survivors I've known have lived that story, except maybe J Lo's character in whatever movie that was.

Uh, reunion- was boring and Andy did look offended. I wouldn't be shocked if Vicki was homophobic. I'm probably not allowed to speculate on that. Feel free to ignore this very off-topic post.

[breezy424]

Yikes.  This part of the reunion was....crazy. 

Sorry Vicky, you are a liar.  You did lie about your knowledge of what was going on with Brooks' so called cancer.  Do I need to recap?  No, I didn't think so.  And, yeah, sure, you lost all that income when you were recovering.  Briana was spot on about her mother's exaggerations.  We've seen it over the years.  As someone posted above, if Vicky's injuries were soooo bad, why was she released?  I'm not saying Vicky lied after the accident happened but we all know Vicky overreacts and is overly dramatic.  Of course she used all this after the fact to further campaign getting back into the good graces of the other women.  Vicky is walking on thin ground with Andy...her show, she has nothing against gays.  Hmm.

I don't think David beat the crap out of Shannon.  Those are not bruises of someone being beaten up.  Those are bruises of someone who fell down.  Likely a trip on a pavement or a step while drunk.  Did David push her down?  Not likely.  He would have had to push her from behind for Shannon to have the cuts on her knees.  I'm not going to convict him as a wife beater based on that especially given that Shannon does like to drink.

And whoa?  Did I hear that correctly that Kelly just went on and explained why Heather is the puppet? 

Sorry Heather, you kind of dug a hole for yourself trying to justify some things.  I don't think Heather bringing the Fireball was some sort of plot.  I did like the flask. 

Who told Kelly that she does great impressions?  How pathetic.  She takes back her apologies but then at the end she says she apologized.  Sorry, I can't keep up with her 'logic'.  And honey, raising your chin up does nothing to make you more superior.  You're basically dumb despite your 'college' education and experience in the corporate world.

I liked how Meg handled herself....mostly.  I liked her last season overall as well and I hope she comes back.  She's not stupid (ok, her choice of husband is a whole other issue).

[annewithaneee]

2 minutes ago, Granimal said:

I'll chime in. My completely unknowing opinion is that Shannon and David got into a fight while drinking. The fight continued back at home. Likely some verbal abuse and a possible act of physical abuse (i.e. David threw something that hit Shannon, or David pushed Shannon into a wall, etc.) then David stormed off, and locked Shannon out of the room he was in. Shannon was pissed and upset and tried to drunkenly pound against the door. Most likely hysterically begging him to apologize. Someone (Shannon?) called the police. One of them had to get arrested. David plead...guilty(?) which is pretty astounding for someone so rich.

These were two different incidents. The arrest was from a long time ago, 2003 if I remember right. The story we heard tonight was something that dated back only a couple of years, presumably during the hiatus between Shannon's first and second season, when she found out David had been cheating on her.

I agree that I also don't really care if Shannon was being honest or not. I mean, I hope she's okay, but since she's a reality TV character I can't invest much if any emotion. What does bother me is how in the midst of that screaming match, they perpetuated a lot of stereotypes about domestic violence and abuse. Not a good look for anyone involved.

[bichonblitz]

3 hours ago, ScoobieDoobs said:

Does Shannon realize just how terribly this story makes her look?  This is the best she could come up with to steer everyone away from thinking David hit her?  Really?  Not good, Shannon.  But she chooses to continue on this thing, despite not needing the dough.  I don't get why she's doing this to herself & her daughters.

So let me get this straight because my head is about to explode with this insane story. Shortly after the affair is discovered, Shannon and David go out one night. Shannon claims someone slips something in her drink,(that right there is the most rediculous thing I have ever heard and something an alcoholic in denial would say), she winds up outside on the ground with her knees all scraped up and David is nine blocks away. They somehow find each other and end up at home, David locks himself in his daughters room and  Shannon tries to knock the door down and winds up with bruises on her shoulder and hip. Then they go to Hawaii right after that and she just happens to have the old pics on her phone of her old skinny self all smiley and happy with bruised knees asking everyone if it looks like she has been beaten up, as she willingly passes her phone around to the girls on the couch. As Shannon would say "Are you kidding me"?  This woman is nuts, has always been nuts and will continue to be nuts as long as she keeps sweeping her alcohol problem under the rug. Whether David beats her or not, I haven't a clue, but something very sick is going on with the Beador's and their poor kids are fully aware of it.  And why Tamra and Heather keep covering for her is something I also have no clue about. Unless they are aware of how volatile the Beador's relationship really is and are trying to protect her because they know how fragile she is.  

Edited November 22, 2016 by bichonblitz

[Petunia13]

2 hours ago, ScoobieDoobs said:

Can I make a prediction?

I think we can say buh-bye to Meghan.  She's out of place on this show now.  She's too nice & undramatic -- and we know that's the kiss of death on this show.  Sheesh, poor Meghan sure didn't fit in with the horrible freak shows on the couch she was sitting.  And she certainly didn't belong with the middle-aged shriekers on the other side.  

Don't get me wrong.  I really like Meghan's presence on the show.  She rarely (if ever) screams, but she is one strong gal.  I dig that she doesn't take anyone's crap & she'll readily stand up to Heather & call her out for her phony-ass bullshit & constant underhanded nastiness.  But then again, she does that with all of them.  Still, I wouldn't be surprised if either she wants to leave to be with her baby, or they don't ask her back cuz they want to bring on another screeching Tams/Vicks type.

Btw, what was with Tams calling Vicks an old lady?  Seriously, what is Vicks -- like 4 or 5 years older than Tams?  WTF, Tams?  They sure did quickly run thru the Eddie-is-gay & their marriage is a hoax stuff, didn't they?  Hmmmmm.

I think Meghan leaving was officially announced like 2 or 3 weeks ago. I posted it in an episode thread. 

[WireWrap]

14 minutes ago, Petunia13 said:

I think Meghan leaving was officially announced like 2 or 3 weeks ago. I posted it in an episode thread. 

Not quite so fast! LOL Meghan hasn't left the show.......yet! LOL From her twitter just a couple of weeks ago.

Reality TV Bliss ‏@RealityTVBliss Nov 6

@MeghanKEdmonds is it true you're returning to #RHOC next season now?

 

Follow Following Unfollow Blocked Unblock Pending Cancel Meghan King EdmondsVerified account ‏@MeghanKEdmonds Nov 6

@RealityTVBliss the network won't make any decisions for months! And then the cast has to make their own decisions! Right now focus is baby

[mbaywife123]

Vicki and her other ventures just make me laugh, cruise ship insurance recuitment, LeTip, wines by wives, Vicki Vodka, Vicki jeans, Vicki pet hair diamonds, Vicki perfume, cancer juice, kill all cancer, ect., Too bad for her none of these ventures "stook".

[zoeysmom]

Shannon's explanation, to me sounded like perhaps she was taking an anti-anxiety medication and got her drink on-left the restaurant and David found her nine blocks away.  It sounded like when they got home she wanted to continue the "discussion" and David wisely, having learned his lesson in 2003, locked himself away.  Shannon probably did call/text Vicki, my guess is she made little sense and that is why Vicki didn't intervene by either calling the police or going to her house. It would say a lot more about Vicki if she honestly thought or Shannon told her she was being physically abused she did nothing.  This would be the same Vicki who said tonight she would drive to the ends of the earth to see Shannon if she was hospitalized with their relationship on its present state.  Shannon was in a bad way when the affair first came to light. She was in a bad way for a majority of last season.  That season's Reunion came on the heels of their Hawaiian vacation.

I still am perplexed how this story makes Shannon a liar.  Or why genius Vicki used this as blackmail.  I get she is mad at Shannon, Tamra and Heather for the Brooks debacle, and their lack of support.  Just once Vicki needs to come clean and say, "I had my doubts, serious doubts about the cancer, and just figured the whole thing would blow over.  I should have put a stop to it before Brooks presented the jacked up document to Tamra.  By then I was in too deep and it was almost the end of the season."   Vicki has issues with the way people speak to her, abnormally sensitive.  Does she ever take a look at her behavior and how she speaks to and about people?

Other than apologizing to Tamra, when did Kelly apologize-didn't she retract all previous apologies?  Kelly saying the others don't get her sense of humor and that should be a pass for her bad behavior and its on them.  I missed the part of comedy where when you are told repeatedly to stop doing something and the humor is that you keep doing it.  Meghan was way too sanctimonious about the other women's reactions to Kelly.  I so wished Kelly would have continually nose flicked Meghan, ask Kelly to stop, Kelly keep doing it and then we could all watch Meghan roll on the floor in laughter. Dumb giraffe.

[Petunia13]

Why are Kelly's breasts like that? Why is her diamond wedding ring so milky and cloudy? Why did she get fillers and plastic surgery to look like a Guess Who card? 

Lines of the night:

"you're dog shit!" 

"Shut up old lady." 

"Do I look beat here? .....I was skinnier then....."

"the whole world likes me." (As she sits by 5 people who have told her repeatedly how little they like her) 

meghan has very nice skin! And I recognize that Rose Gold eye shadow

[zoeysmom]

12 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Not quite so fast! LOL Meghan hasn't left the show.......yet! LOL From her twitter just a couple of weeks ago.

Reality TV Bliss ‏@RealityTVBliss Nov 6

@MeghanKEdmonds is it true you're returning to #RHOC next season now?

 

Follow Following Unfollow Blocked Unblock Pending Cancel Meghan King EdmondsVerified account ‏@MeghanKEdmonds Nov 6

@RealityTVBliss the network won't make any decisions for months! And then the cast has to make their own decisions! Right now focus is baby

My guess is Meghan will not be back unless it is a guest role.  I really don't see Meghan traipsing to California with a newborn and dog in tow to film.  Infants although precious just aren't all that entertaining.  Their OC house has been on the market for months, she has indicated she needs to be in St Louis with her mom.  The network starts filming in February-that is about two months away.  Meghan giving feedback from a position of watching the show wasn't all that special.

[Petunia13]

I'm sorry I def say something on twitter that made it sound official. But yea she was so done this entire season and foreshadowed leaving. Kelly and Vicki have got to go too. They are dumb as rocks, oblivious, and mean dirtbags. 

[MinDC76]

As someone who has been a victim of domestic violence, I do not believe Shannon's version of events.  Do I think she was black out drunk-absolutely.  Do I think that her drunkenness, which she already knows is an issue deep down, allows her to be more easily manipulated by David - 100%.  Do I think that David constantly physically abuses her...no,  but I can't be sure.  Do I think that David is the ultimate subtle emotional abuser-not a doubt.  Do I think David has grabbed, kicked, punched, pinched, or otherwise physically hurt her on more than one occasion-absolutely.  I doubt he has physically hurt her a lot though, because it seems like his emotional bs is more effective and useful for him.  I believe the limited actions we have seen of David's and the interactions with Shannon's are those those of the quintessential gaslighting, emotionally abusive, disordered f'er and their codependent spouse. 

This is a man that was able to easily carry on a two year affair.  That tells me he is capable of anything.  He is obviously an amazing manipulator.  He is allegedly the dedicated family man that just had an affair in a dark time.  RIGHT.  Any affair, yet alone a 2 year affair, takes a seriously character depleted person to participate in.  

When I was being abused, you better believe that I ramped up my drinking in order to cope.  Not every person that is psychologically and physically abused is imprisoned at home and has no social contact.  I actually think that some emotional abusers like the control and playing the game of abusing someone that appears to have freedom to anyone on the outside, because it makes it seem more unrealistic to think that there was abuse to anyone outside of the relationship.

I used to have bruises on the most random places on my body, because he would grab whatever felt good or close a the time.  Most abusive people aren't complete morons when it comes to human interaction....they know they can't just punch someone straight in the face and get away with it.  That is what makes them so sinister.  They aren't out of control.  They are actually in control and using fear to maintain control.  

I get the vibe that David has been gaslighting and abusing Shannon for years (probably mostly emotionally).  I think the only reason he has "taken" her bringing everything up on the show is to perpetrate his poor me image after the affair even more.

Sorry for all the run-ons!  Just a flow of consciousness.  :)

[WireWrap]

14 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

My guess is Meghan will not be back unless it is a guest role.  I really don't see Meghan traipsing to California with a newborn and dog in tow to film.  Infants although precious just aren't all that entertaining.  Their OC house has been on the market for months, she has indicated she needs to be in St Louis with her mom.  The network starts filming in February-that is about two months away.  Meghan giving feedback from a position of watching the show wasn't all that special.

I think when she has the baby her desire to stay on the show, even as a FOH, will change. She has no idea just how much her life and her priorities are about to change, especially with a husband that is out of town more than he is home. LOL

4 minutes ago, Petunia13 said:

I'm sorry I def say something on twitter that made it sound official. But yea she was so done this entire season and foreshadowed leaving. Kelly and Vicki have got to go too. They are dumb as rocks, oblivious, and mean dirtbags. 

There have been a lot of "reports" that she was quitting the show but never any direct comment from her saying that. Although, if she were to stay as a full HW, there would be a better chance of Bravo firing both Vicki and Kelly but if Meghan does leave, Andy will not fire 2 HWs in 1 season, he learned a tough lesson cleaning house in NY a few seasons ago. If he will only fire 1 of them, as much as I dislike Kelly, fire Vicki!

[zoeysmom]

6 minutes ago, MinDC76 said:

As someone who has been a victim of domestic violence, I do not believe Shannon's version of events.  Do I think she was black out drunk-absolutely.  Do I think that her drunkenness, which she already knows is an issue deep down, allows her to be more easily manipulated by David - 100%.  Do I think that David constantly physically abuses her...no,  but I can't be sure.  Do I think that David is the ultimate subtle emotional abuser-not a doubt.  Do I think David has grabbed, kicked, punched, pinched, or otherwise physically hurt her on more than one occasion-absolutely.  I doubt he has physically hurt her a lot though, because it seems like his emotional bs is more effective and useful for him.  I believe the limited actions we have seen of David's and the interactions with Shannon's are those those of the quintessential gaslighting, emotionally abusive, disordered f'er and their codependent spouse. 

This is a man that was able to easily carry on a two year affair.  That tells me he is capable of anything.  He is obviously an amazing manipulator.  He is allegedly the dedicated family man that just had an affair in a dark time.  RIGHT.  Any affair, yet alone a 2 year affair, takes a seriously character depleted person to participate in.  

When I was being abused, you better believe that I ramped up my drinking in order to cope.  Not every person that is psychologically and physically abused is imprisoned at home and has no social contact.  I actually think that some emotional abusers like the control and playing the game of abusing someone that appears to have freedom to anyone on the outside, because it makes it seem more unrealistic to think that there was abuse to anyone outside of the relationship.

I used to have bruises on the most random places on my body, because he would grab whatever felt good or close a the time.  Most abusive people aren't complete morons when it comes to human interaction....they know they can't just punch someone straight in the face and get away with it.  That is what makes them so sinister.  They aren't out of control.  They are actually in control and using fear to maintain control.  

I get the vibe that David has been gaslighting and abusing Shannon for years (probably mostly emotionally).  I think the only reason he has "taken" her bringing everything up on the show is to perpetrate his poor me image after the affair even more.

Sorry for all the run-ons!  Just a flow of consciousness.  :)

David's affair was over nine months.  It started at the beginning of filming in October and ended in April.

[telemachus2]

I liked Meghan's calling out Heather as self-appointed morality police -  Heather is just too HBIC too often, which is too bad, as she usually presents as a more nearly normal, competent Ho'wife.  Criticism of Meghan & Shannon's refusal to drive miles to "visit" Vicki in the ER is nuts - there's no assigned bed nor visiting facilities in ER set-ups in my experience (been in too many, sadly.)  When my close relatives have been in local ER, I've been directed by staff to the waiting room, & there's typically a 4-6 hour wait for medical attention.  SURE Meg & Shan are gonna drop everything & hang around a distant hospital ER for Vicki, whom they both rightfully detest as a conscienceless cancer scammer.  The only folks who should be pilloried for failure to make an ER appearance are Brianna & (primarily) Mike, IF Bri was really too ill to travel (sure didn't prevent her trek from OK to OC, however.)

Can only hope that Vicki got saddled with a huge Life Flight bill - simple ambulance trips to local hospital ER (2-3 miles away) cost my mother over $800 a couple of years ago...

[WireWrap]

3 minutes ago, MinDC76 said:

As someone who has been a victim of domestic violence, I do not believe Shannon's version of events.  Do I think she was black out drunk-absolutely.  Do I think that her drunkenness, which she already knows is an issue deep down, allows her to be more easily manipulated by David - 100%.  Do I think that David constantly physically abuses her...no,  but I can't be sure.  Do I think that David is the ultimate subtle emotional abuser-not a doubt.  Do I think David has grabbed, kicked, punched, pinched, or otherwise physically hurt her on more than one occasion-absolutely.  I doubt he has physically hurt her a lot though, because it seems like his emotional bs is more effective and useful for him.  I believe the limited actions we have seen of David's and the interactions with Shannon's are those those of the quintessential gaslighting, emotionally abusive, disordered f'er and their codependent spouse. 

This is a man that was able to easily carry on a two year affair.  That tells me he is capable of anything.  He is obviously an amazing manipulator.  He is allegedly the dedicated family man that just had an affair in a dark time.  RIGHT.  Any affair, yet alone a 2 year affair, takes a seriously character depleted person to participate in.  

When I was being abused, you better believe that I ramped up my drinking in order to cope.  Not every person that is psychologically and physically abused is imprisoned at home and has no social contact.  I actually think that some emotional abusers like the control and playing the game of abusing someone that appears to have freedom to anyone on the outside, because it makes it seem more unrealistic to think that there was abuse to anyone outside of the relationship.

I used to have bruises on the most random places on my body, because he would grab whatever felt good or close a the time.  Most abusive people aren't complete morons when it comes to human interaction....they know they can't just punch someone straight in the face and get away with it.  That is what makes them so sinister.  They aren't out of control.  They are actually in control and using fear to maintain control.  

I get the vibe that David has been gaslighting and abusing Shannon for years (probably mostly emotionally).  I think the only reason he has "taken" her bringing everything up on the show is to perpetrate his poor me image after the affair even more.

Sorry for all the run-ons!  Just a flow of consciousness.  :)

I am sorry this happened to you.

That said, I believe Shannon's story because of a blog on AATT (I posted a link a few weeks back on the First Look thread) where 1 of Vicki's guests (a woman) that overheard the phone call basically told the same story that Shannon did, which is not the same as what Vicki told Kelly or what she said on the reunion. The only difference between this woman and what Shannon said was that Shannon said she was "afraid of what David would do" when he was locked in the bedroom by himself. I think Shannon feared that David was going to leave her for his Mistress, not that he was going to hit/beat the shit out of her. The affair lasted less than a year, not 2, not that that makes much difference. Also, what does this say about Vicki? According to her, David was "beating the shit out of" her good, dear friend and yet she didn't call the police or send Brooks (who was present with Vicki) to Shannon's/David's house to help/protect her!  No, there was no physical abuse by David and the gaslighting that happened was done by both Shannon and David IMO.

[WireWrap]

9 minutes ago, telemachus2 said:

I liked Meghan's calling out Heather as self-appointed morality police -  Heather is just too HBIC too often, which is too bad, as she usually presents as a more nearly normal, competent Ho'wife.  Criticism of Meghan & Shannon's refusal to drive miles to "visit" Vicki in the ER is nuts - there's no assigned bed nor visiting facilities in ER set-ups in my experience (been in too many, sadly.)  When my close relatives have been in local ER, I've been directed by staff to the waiting room, & there's typically a 4-6 hour wait for medical attention.  SURE Meg & Shan are gonna drop everything & hang around a distant hospital ER for Vicki, whom they both rightfully detest as a conscienceless cancer scammer.  The only folks who should be pilloried for failure to make an ER appearance are Brianna & (primarily) Mike, IF Bri was really too ill to travel (sure didn't prevent her trek from OK to OC, however.)

Can only hope that Vicki got saddled with a huge Life Flight bill - simple ambulance trips to local hospital ER (2-3 miles away) cost my mother over $800 a couple of years ago...

Yet Meghan apologized to Heather! LOL I do think Heather can be a bit pretentious but she is still the only one I would want to be around for more than an hour. LOL

Vicki can cry all she wants about having a large medical bill but then what does that say about her knowledge of health insurance or secondary insurances? Who would buy insurance from someone that doesn't even carry enough to cover her own costs in an emergency? LOL

Edited November 22, 2016 by WireWrap

[DrivingSideways]

Once again, Team Vicky & Kelly!  Yes, they are insane, and Kelly's comments remind me so much of Donald Trump, that I can't deal.  But Heather, Shannon and Tamra are so hypocritical that I love to see them get slammed, even if it's by those crazy ladies. 

Kelly is right - the 'world' does hate Heather now.  It was fun to see Heather react incredulously to that very true statement.

Shannon, any damage to your daughters is on YOU - both from your unhealthy marriage, and then from dragging it out on this show.  If I didn't think she was unbalanced from her previous outbursts ON THIS SHOW, that story about wandering around hammered and blacked out was disturbing.  I don't think David beats the shit out of Shannon, but this couple has definitely gotten physical.  They are deeply unhappy and it bleeds out of the screen.  That's probably what connected Shannon and Vicki in the first place.

From Vicki's perspective, I can see why she went nuclear.  Shannon has been selling this perfect life on the show, while Vicki's fell apart.  Was she complicit in Brooks' lie... in my opinion, a little, but not to the extent she's been painted.  I was glad Vicki stuck to her story and didn't apologize about Kelly's gossip.

Tamra lecturing anybody about gossiping is extremely hypocritical and hilarious.  Tamra and Vicki may fight but will always come back together, because they are the same person, except Tamra is way more devious and hateful.  I remember the Naked Wasted episode, I thought it was extremely disturbing - but Vicki did NOT actively participate.  In fact, she tried to tell Tamra that Gretchen was drunk enough.

[breezy424]

13 minutes ago, MinDC76 said:

As someone who has been a victim of domestic violence, I do not believe Shannon's version of events.  Do I think she was black out drunk-absolutely.  Do I think that her drunkenness, which she already knows is an issue deep down, allows her to be more easily manipulated by David - 100%.  Do I think that David constantly physically abuses her...no,  but I can't be sure.  Do I think that David is the ultimate subtle emotional abuser-not a doubt.  Do I think David has grabbed, kicked, punched, pinched, or otherwise physically hurt her on more than one occasion-absolutely.  I doubt he has physically hurt her a lot though, because it seems like his emotional bs is more effective and useful for him.  I believe the limited actions we have seen of David's and the interactions with Shannon's are those those of the quintessential gaslighting, emotionally abusive, disordered f'er and their codependent spouse. 

This is a man that was able to easily carry on a two year affair.  That tells me he is capable of anything.  He is obviously an amazing manipulator.  He is allegedly the dedicated family man that just had an affair in a dark time.  RIGHT.  Any affair, yet alone a 2 year affair, takes a seriously character depleted person to participate in.  

When I was being abused, you better believe that I ramped up my drinking in order to cope.  Not every person that is psychologically and physically abused is imprisoned at home and has no social contact.  I actually think that some emotional abusers like the control and playing the game of abusing someone that appears to have freedom to anyone on the outside, because it makes it seem more unrealistic to think that there was abuse to anyone outside of the relationship.

I used to have bruises on the most random places on my body, because he would grab whatever felt good or close a the time.  Most abusive people aren't complete morons when it comes to human interaction....they know they can't just punch someone straight in the face and get away with it.  That is what makes them so sinister.  They aren't out of control.  They are actually in control and using fear to maintain control.  

I get the vibe that David has been gaslighting and abusing Shannon for years (probably mostly emotionally).  I think the only reason he has "taken" her bringing everything up on the show is to perpetrate his poor me image after the affair even more.

Sorry for all the run-ons!  Just a flow of consciousness.  :)

How was/is David gas lighting Shannon? How do you conclude that that David has grabbed, kicked, punched, pinched, or otherwise physically hurt her on more than one occasion-absolutely.  What has happened that you know about to conclude any of this? 

Heck, I've seen a family member be the victim of domestic abuse for decades but I don't see how any of what you say can be 'concluded' in any of what we have been shown. 

[smores]

I've said it before and I will say it again, not every ER is the same.  I have been in several, and have visited relatives in several others.  I have never once been sent out of the room and directed back to the waiting room.  I have always been allowed to wait with my friend or relative, unless a test was being performed, or the dr was in the room.  In that event, I was directed to the hall, until the dr left (unless it was my spouse, in which case, I could stay).  One visit, I spent 7 hours sitting on a chair next to a gurney waiting for my relative to get assigned to a room, but I was still allowed to wait with them.  I can see that another facility might handle it differently, but since no one went to visit Vicki, we can't definitively say what would have happened there, as some definitely DO let you go back.

On another note, no one I know hates Heather.  So, in this corner of the world, at least, Kelly is dead wrong about that.

[breezy424]

2 minutes ago, DrivingSideways said:

Once again, Team Vicky & Kelly!  Yes, they are insane, and Kelly's comments remind me so much of Donald Trump, that I can't deal.  But Heather, Shannon and Tamra are so hypocritical that I love to see them get slammed, even if it's by those crazy ladies. 

Kelly is right - the 'world' does hate Heather now.  It was fun to see Heather react incredulously to that very true statement.

Shannon, any damage to your daughters is on YOU - both from your unhealthy marriage, and then from dragging it out on this show.  If I didn't think she was unbalanced from her previous outbursts ON THIS SHOW, that story about wandering around hammered and blacked out was disturbing.  I don't think David beats the shit out of Shannon, but this couple has definitely gotten physical.  They are deeply unhappy and it bleeds out of the screen.  That's probably what connected Shannon and Vicki in the first place.

From Vicki's perspective, I can see why she went nuclear.  Shannon has been selling this perfect life on the show, while Vicki's fell apart.  Was she complicit in Brooks' lie... in my opinion, a little, but not to the extent she's been painted.  I was glad Vicki stuck to her story and didn't apologize about Kelly's gossip.

Tamra lecturing anybody about gossiping is extremely hypocritical and hilarious.  Tamra and Vicki may fight but will always come back together, because they are the same person, except Tamra is way more devious and hateful.  I remember the Naked Wasted episode, I thought it was extremely disturbing - but Vicki did NOT actively participate.  In fact, she tried to tell Tamra that Gretchen was drunk enough.

Sorry but I don't 'hate' Heather.  How can you conclude that Shannon and her husband got physical?  Examples? 

Shannon had never sold a perfect life.  How about some examples?  Vicky claimed she never lied but the examples are out there.  She claims she called Terry to have someone come over to give Brooks an IV.  Total lie which she admits....for casseroles.    She also claimed to go with Brooks for chemo.  Another lie.  I could go on....

Who started the 'gossip'?  That would be Vicky.

[zoeysmom]

19 minutes ago, smores said:

I've said it before and I will say it again, not every ER is the same.  I have been in several, and have visited relatives in several others.  I have never once been sent out of the room and directed back to the waiting room.  I have always been allowed to wait with my friend or relative, unless a test was being performed, or the dr was in the room.  In that event, I was directed to the hall, until the dr left (unless it was my spouse, in which case, I could stay).  One visit, I spent 7 hours sitting on a chair next to a gurney waiting for my relative to get assigned to a room, but I was still allowed to wait with them.  I can see that another facility might handle it differently, but since no one went to visit Vicki, we can't definitively say what would have happened there, as some definitely DO let you go back.

On another note, no one I know hates Heather.  So, in this corner of the world, at least, Kelly is dead wrong about that.

I don't think they were arguing access to Vicki in the ER, I believe it was what would be the point to visit someone you can barely tolerate.  I believe the issue was if she were to be admitted they would visit the following day.  Vicki has said she had multiple tests during her eight hour stay.  I can't see what was to be gained by visiting Vicki.  I can see that Kelly and/or her husband should have made the trip with Vicki's purse and luggage, they had a car.  Tamra's mom had a car, Tamra's brother had a car. They were all part of the same trip.  Apparently they were too busy celebrating Eddie's birthday. 

One of the dumbest comments of the night-Meghan you were just at Vicki's birthday party and gave her a gift.  Does everyone who goes to Vicki's birthday party expected to go to the ER to visit?

Another dumb thing-Vicki saying, "we were all on the same trip together," actually you weren't  Shannon and Meghan were in La Quinta the rest were in Glamis.  Dumb gasbag.

[biakbiak]

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One of the dumbest comments of the night-Meghan you were just at Vicki's birthday party and gave her a gift.  Does everyone who goes to Vicki's birthday party expected to go to the ER to visit?

Apparently not Michael and Brianna!

When Heather seemed so angry at Vicki on behalf of Shannon when she was off stage and Andy calling her on her shit it's like you could see Vicki realizing she might have over played the gossip hand to a point where no one would want to film with her.

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[MsDiva2007]

Vicki is such nasty piece of work. Vicki and Kelly are two very damaged people both full of so much evil it oozes out of their pores like slime !

Love th at meaghan said she still would Bernhard gone to the hospital. When you own children don't show a concern to see you at the hospital how can you expect anyone else to care! Frankly I would not throw water on Vicki or Kelly if they had been on fire!

[remmybrat]

Another thing about Glamis, Shannon and Meaghan were with their husbands who can not stand Vicki and would not care to go visit her.

[Lisa418722]

I'm out.  I have watched this show for 11 years but after watching Vicki's attitude during the reunion - even talking down to Andy - I can no longer watch this show.  If Vicki is out, I might return. 

[motorcitymom65]

6 hours ago, ScoobieDoobs said:

Thank you for sharing.  I was giving Shannon a real side eye when she was blurting out that story.  My sister (who I am very close to) went thru an abusive marriage & divorce, which I witnessed helplessly & in horror & in terrible sadness.  Look, Shannon may have been telling a true story.  I just don't believe her story.  I don't.  And I'm wondering if anyone who has been thru an abusive situation (or close to one) had the same reaction I did.  My gut says she doesn't want the real story out there.  Bottom line is she shouldn't be on the show -- particularly if she's so concerned what her daughters will think of her marriage.  Uh, that ship sailed a long time ago, Shannon.

Here's the thing -- OK, I'm having a hard time believing Shannon's story for my own reasons.  But what if she is in fact telling the truth?  Wouldn't it be pretty awful if some of us (maybe many of us) don't believe her?  Whose fault would it be then?  Yeah, of course Vicks is to blame -- BUT not SOLELY.  The sad fact is Shannon is also to blame for putting herself on this show in the first place.  I hope her daughters aren't too badly affected by this.  Why is it I seem to have more concern over the effect of this awful stuff on her daughters than Shannon does?  If she was all that concerned, she'd have left the show long ago.

Co-sign this entire post. Why in the world would Shannon ever come back if she is at all concerned about her children. Now, Vicki is a bitch for bringing this up. Especially since it appears to me that it was entirely premeditated.  It seems obvious to me that she began this season with the intent to throw out this abuse nugget which is just not cool. It is beyond me how the other girls will forgive Vicki for this and move on filming with her. It takes a special kind of venom to what to do this to someone and I cannot believe the others would ever trust her again. 

While Vicki is horrible, it is impossible to look past what Shannon is doing to her girls. I've often said the same thing when I watch this show - why am I so concerned about Shannon's girls as a viewer, and she just continues going on about the business of telling the world about her horrible marriage? Why can she not see how horrendous this must be to live it all in that house, and then have to watch the reconstruction of the whole thing 6 months or a year later on TV? I've always thought the single worst act of parenting I've ever seen on this show - and the greatest example of a famewhore who had lost her way - was Shannon having her daughters sit and listen to David apologize for the affair on TV, after saying he had already done that to them months earlier off camera. That was her excuse when folks told her she shouldn't have filmed something so intimate with her girls. She said it was OK, because they had already had the original apology months earlier with no cameras around. How does it make it better that they need to ask them to sit for it again so they can have it on camera? Because she has made the decision to bring in the girls to help tell the story of this horrible marriage. 

My guess is that the most recent reveal was horrible for all involved, and that Shannon reacted so strongly because David had zero idea that she had called Vicki. That David would be learning for the first time that Vicki was in the loop to more recent craziness in their marriage. All I know is that something is seriously wrong in the Beador household. Not sure if it is abuse, or just too much alcohol. But people living a happy fulfilled life don't behave this way. And because it cannot be said enough, if Shannon is concerned about her daughters and what they are exposed to, she is the only one who can take control and make sure they are not exposed to it. She can talk all day long about how much better the marriage is, how much happier she is, and I can see zero reason why anyone would believe anything that this delusional person says, since she seems unable to even see that she is the reason her girls have to go through this so publicly. If you cannot sit back and properly see that, you have no ability to properly look at what is really going on around you. 

[CrinkleCutCat]

Vicki.... so self unaware. That's the least offensive insult I can throw at her. 

Vicki....narcissistic and lacks empathy.

I am an educated psychologist.... For the purpose of a quick read about what I think Vicki would be diagnosed with under the current diagnostic tool for health clinicians, see this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

I could link academic papers, but I think the wiki above is enough for a forum about a reality tv show!!!

My opinion about her, and especially her crap during this reunion: ?Except that poor poo would not be smiling!

[Mu Shu]

I get the feeling that Kelly really wanted to be friends with Tamra, but got stuck with icky old lady Vicki.  And I get why Tamra called Vicki old lady.  Vicki is so out of touch with current times, always has been.  She's the crusty old woman who yells at kids to get off her lawn, and every time I hear her 73yo old bingo lady "whoo hoo"!  It sounds like an old timer shouting "23 skidoo".  She's just an awkward old bag, always has been.

sure you make 25k per week.  That'll do pig.  That'll do. 

[Petunia13]

Yea I smelled bullshit w that number Vicki blurted and noticed Meghan made a "sounds fake, but ok" face. 

I also agree she acts old ladyish and peculiar nothing to do with her age. She's just tragically unhip, dated, socially R word, and square .

[motorcitymom65]

35 minutes ago, Mu Shu said:

I get the feeling that Kelly really wanted to be friends with Tamra, but got stuck with icky old lady Vicki.  And I get why Tamra called Vicki old lady.  Vicki is so out of touch with current times, always has been.  She's the crusty old woman who yells at kids to get off her lawn, and every time I hear her 73yo old bingo lady "whoo hoo"!  It sounds like an old timer shouting "23 skidoo".  She's just an awkward old bag, always has been.

sure you make 25k per week.  That'll do pig.  That'll do. 

Kelly picked the wrong team to be sure, but I do think she picked it. The way she came in hot reminded me a bit of Carlton. From the very beginning she seemed to be drawn to Vicki, and criticized the others for being cool towards Vicki. I remember the scene where she kind of lectured them on treating her poorly, acting like she had no idea of the reasons they would feel that way. They had to explain the whole fake cancer deal to her. Of course she admitted at the reunion that she did watch last season, so she already knew, but for some reason at the time pretended she did not. Even knowing what Vicki had done, she took her side early on. I think if her goal was to be close to Tamra she would have chosen a different tactic. 

[b2H]

9 hours ago, ScoobieDoobs said:

Oh, I didn't know.  Is this for sure Meghan won't be back?  Makes sense cuz she seemed so removed . . . and maybe even kinda relieved?  Maybe cuz she knew this is the last time she'll ever have to be near this awful shit.  Smart gal for hightailing it away from these horrible shriekers.

I believe she has relocated to Missouri.  Since his ex-wife passed away, there really is no reason to maintain two residences, which was being done to keep close to his daughters.

[zoeysmom]

1 hour ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Co-sign this entire post. Why in the world would Shannon ever come back if she is at all concerned about her children. Now, Vicki is a bitch for bringing this up. Especially since it appears to me that it was entirely premeditated.  It seems obvious to me that she began this season with the intent to throw out this abuse nugget which is just not cool. It is beyond me how the other girls will forgive Vicki for this and move on filming with her. It takes a special kind of venom to what to do this to someone and I cannot believe the others would ever trust her again. 

While Vicki is horrible, it is impossible to look past what Shannon is doing to her girls. I've often said the same thing when I watch this show - why am I so concerned about Shannon's girls as a viewer, and she just continues going on about the business of telling the world about her horrible marriage? Why can she not see how horrendous this must be to live it all in that house, and then have to watch the reconstruction of the whole thing 6 months or a year later on TV? I've always thought the single worst act of parenting I've ever seen on this show - and the greatest example of a famewhore who had lost her way - was Shannon having her daughters sit and listen to David apologize for the affair on TV, after saying he had already done that to them months earlier off camera. That was her excuse when folks told her she shouldn't have filmed something so intimate with her girls. She said it was OK, because they had already had the original apology months earlier with no cameras around. How does it make it better that they need to ask them to sit for it again so they can have it on camera? Because she has made the decision to bring in the girls to help tell the story of this horrible marriage. 

My guess is that the most recent reveal was horrible for all involved, and that Shannon reacted so strongly because David had zero idea that she had called Vicki. That David would be learning for the first time that Vicki was in the loop to more recent craziness in their marriage. All I know is that something is seriously wrong in the Beador household. Not sure if it is abuse, or just too much alcohol. But people living a happy fulfilled life don't behave this way. And because it cannot be said enough, if Shannon is concerned about her daughters and what they are exposed to, she is the only one who can take control and make sure they are not exposed to it. She can talk all day long about how much better the marriage is, how much happier she is, and I can see zero reason why anyone would believe anything that this delusional person says, since she seems unable to even see that she is the reason her girls have to go through this so publicly. If you cannot sit back and properly see that, you have no ability to properly look at what is really going on around you. 

The first season Shannon was on people were so pro-David because he was deprived of chips and salsa and potatoes.  Shannon did her best to try and get David back in the fold with disastrous results.  Shannon's drunken night-after her first season was a continuing extension of her desperation to try and put the marriage back together. Obviously it worked but there were casualties.  The harm to the girls was probably not measurable whether the scene played out in the  Newport Bach community, since Nicole and David were both married and their children played on the same team.  So the girls were affected. Having it on TV  just made for a larger stage.

The thing about Shannon and her girls, after, after last year, the Beador marriage has been shown going up, not down.  Vicki is the one saying she had information that could damage the family, to now try and say-oh I have proof Shannon lied but how could I do that to a family-is beneath the despicable standards Vicki has set for herself.  So let's put the blame where blame belongs-on Vicki.  The Beadors giving Vicki the power to blackmail is wrong on every level.  That is just running someone off the show.  Kelly deserves no pass as she is just as maniacal, knowing full well what such an accusation means.  Kelly's excuse is she is mad at Vicki.  This was the second tome in a couple of days Kelly decided to out a friend for gossip-why she gets any type of pass is beyond me. Essentially we have Vicki admitting not only she wrong, she is sorry and her reason for whipping up the frenzy is she was mad at being held to a standard about her complicity in the Brooks cancer scam.  So when your character is in question, Vicki solution is to lower her own personal bar.

This was the ugly scab of reality TV being ripped off.  Vicki has outdone herself.

[WireWrap]

9 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Kelly picked the wrong team to be sure, but I do think she picked it. The way she came in hot reminded me a bit of Carlton. From the very beginning she seemed to be drawn to Vicki, and criticized the others for being cool towards Vicki. I remember the scene where she kind of lectured them on treating her poorly, acting like she had no idea of the reasons they would feel that way. They had to explain the whole fake cancer deal to her. Of course she admitted at the reunion that she did watch last season, so she already knew, but for some reason at the time pretended she did not. Even knowing what Vicki had done, she took her side early on. I think if her goal was to be close to Tamra she would have chosen a different tactic. 

I suspect that Kelly picked Vicki because she thought a Vicki friendship could/would guarantee her another season as Vicki is the longest lasting HW in the entire franchise. I think she and Vicki are convinced that Andy will never fire Vicki and therefore will keep Kelly around because no one else wants to be Vicki's sidekick anymore. Lets hope they are both wrong and that this is Vicki's last season on the show.

[918lux]

8 hours ago, mbaywife123 said:

I am not the local lunatic that posted that ( by the way I don't think you meant me! I'm not that self absorbed) but in general here is how I understand insurance agents make their money.

Insurance agent sells you a policy and as long as that policy is in force they make a commission off of your renewal(s).

Life insurance and annuities are the best for them as they go on for years until you die or cash out

Commission for Life insurance & annuities just pay once when the policy is originally sold. Car & home insurance pays out each renewal period. 

[chenoa333]

 I might be in the minority here, but of all of these RHOC women, I dislike Tamra the most. Does she really think by claiming she's a born again Christian that she is instantly exonerated from all of her bad behavior and hypocrisy over the many years she's been on this show?

She's just as desperate as Vicki to keep her Orange. So she becomes friends with the least hated housewive/housewives of that season. She always wants to be running with the popular group. it's job security.

And holy crap Tams! You look AWFUL. High Definition TV is NOT your friend. I loved all of the clips Andy showed in the 2nd episode of the reunion  of Tamra's bad behavior and anger issues! I wish Andy would have spent more time drilling Tamra on that but he's a puss.

I want to thank Bravo for excluding Brianna from the final reunion episode. She is nothing but a clone of Vicki.

[Bebecat]

This show has lost ALL entertainment value. It needs to be cancelled, or completely re-cast.

[zoeysmom]

19 minutes ago, 918lux said:

Commission for Life insurance & annuities just pay once when the policy is originally sold. Car & home insurance pays out each renewal period. 

So that would mean Vicki writes an incredible number of policies daily.  I can't imagine how much she must write to bring in $25 k a week.  She doesn't do car/home-she has agents that do that for the agency.  Don't know what the commission fee is off the premium anyone know.  Liability is usually 10%.

[Beden]

6 hours ago, breezy424 said:

  Vicky claimed she never lied but the examples are out there. 

Which is why I don't understand why Andy and the rest didn't simply pull up clips from last year's reunion when Vicki admitted that she lied (as well as the many obvious examples when she spewed complete BS). I would have loved to see her spin that....

[Pickles]

On a shallow note, Tamra is so lean now that it really ages her. Her face does not oook good. Shannon is not fat by any means, but Tamra and toothpick Heather looked skinny, skinny next to Shannon. 

[zoeysmom]

Wow E! went all out against Vicki.  I guess they were tired of not getting the interviews from the grifter's moll.  http://www.eonline.com/news/811132/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county-reunion-comes-to-its-bitter-end-with-a-showdown-between-shannon-vicki

[FamilyVan]

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I like Shannon but I don't buy for a second that the drinking wasn't some way to get at Kelly. It doesn't make sense that every time you gather with this particular woman she gets loud and drunk and insulting and then you all bitch about it to THEN actively try to give her alcohol because she once told you that "tequila is an upper" is the height of bullshit.

I agree, but not in the Naked Wasted way that everyone is thinking.  I think Shannon's thinking was more like "eat your words" toward Kelly.  You want to be the life of the party?  You want to be the fun girl, nose flick everyone and whoop it up?  You said Tequila is your upper?  Then we're gonna drink and you're gonna drink Miss Party Girl.  That's more like how Shannon rolls, and it makes sense in the context of what was happening on the trip.

[nexxie]

44 minutes ago, b2H said:

I believe she has relocated to Missouri.  Since his ex-wife passed away, there really is no reason to maintain two residences, which was being done to keep close to his daughters.

Did the daughters move to Missouri too?

[mothmonsterman]

6 minutes ago, Pickles said:

On a shallow note, Tamra is so lean now that it really ages her. Her face does not oook good. Shannon is not fat by any means, but Tamra and toothpick Heather looked skinny, skinny next to Shannon. 

I was thinking that.  She slimmed down and eliminated so much fat for her competition that she now doesn't have much in her face, and it totally ages her.  

[zoeysmom]

4 minutes ago, nexxie said:

Did the daughters move to Missouri too?

The oldest daughter is getting married and I believe lives in LA, the younger daughter has her own place in OC.  They still have properties in Palm Desert and I believe Lake Havasu.  Jim's parents live in southern California.