Donald John Trump: 2016 President-Elect

[Ohwell]

5 hours ago, stewedsquash said:

Also, I loved how peoples heads exploded when Trump said he didn't need to be told the same thing every day. Makes sense to me. Cut out the paper pushers and get to the heart of the issues and solve them. Good plan.

Yup.  Ignorance is bliss.  

Unfortunately, the bliss is for Trump, not us.

[Ceindreadh]

15 minutes ago, stewedsquash said:

haha I'll take it! Baby steps baby steps! Pace yourself with the bubble/echo chamber. I also dislike Joe S, and if you want to have some fun, listen to the Chris Plante radio show and hear him destroy Mika. Also, this is not directed at you but I want to clarify another post that others commented on. I do NOT like Bill O'Reilly and see that that part of my sarcasm in a previous post about him and The View was missed. O'Reilly and Hannity irritate me to no end. But seriously, off topic just a bit, listen to Chris Plante,  he will entertain you endlessly! His show is so popular that it has been picked up for syndication starting in Jan 2017. Son of Bill Plante,  and worked at CNN for 17 years, former correspondent at the Pentagon and mostly military reports. Funny as heck and I have to really concentrate on driving while listening to him, he is that engrossing.  And he did not support Trump during the election, if that helps you peek in a little bit. 

@slf Not sure I am answering what you are asking but it just so happens that I also listen to Larry Kudlow (brilliant financial guy), and he has this to say about Trump and China:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/442947/economic-growth-and-higher-interest-rates-way-issue-100-year-treasury-bonds

Trump is going to beat China, don't worry y'all. 

Will that be before or after China calls in his loans?

[Duke Silver]

The Kremlin Gloats Over Trump’s CIA Tantrum

[slf]

23 minutes ago, stewedsquash said:

@slf Not sure I am answering what you are asking but it just so happens that I also listen to Larry Kudlow (brilliant financial guy), and he has this to say about Trump and China:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/442947/economic-growth-and-higher-interest-rates-way-issue-100-year-treasury-bonds

Trump is going to beat China, don't worry y'all. 

That is a terrible plan. The comments section digs into why and links to another comments section that also does so. That is not only the opposite of a good plan it's likely to set off a domino effect of bad shit. What is that guy thinking?

Why is Trump trying to beat China? And what is he attempting to beat them at?

[izabella]

44 minutes ago, Duke Silver said:

The Kremlin Gloats Over Trump’s CIA Tantrum

Putin could get on TV and admit he rigged the election for Trump and Trump would still deny it while insulting America.  He's an idiot, or just doesn't care as long as he gets to loot and pillage this country of everything he can get his fat hands on.

[KerleyQ]

37 minutes ago, slf said:

That is a terrible plan. The comments section digs into why and links to another comments section that also does so. That is not only the opposite of a good plan it's likely to set off a domino effect of bad shit. What is that guy thinking?

Why is Trump trying to beat China? And what is he attempting to beat them at?

Exactly.  He sold his supporters on this "we're going to win!" thing, and there's nothing to "win."  At least, not the way he's using the term.  We're not at war, but he seems hellbent on turning the global environment into a competitive one that makes it easier for war to happen.  

[Duke Silver]

https://twitter.com/colinjones/status/808431621963661313

[Lunata]

2 hours ago, Duke Silver said:

https://twitter.com/colinjones/status/808431621963661313

I don't know if it's a great idea for future President Trump to be critical of the men who will be responsible for the intelligence ahead of his travels outside the US and therefore his safety and welfare.

2 hours ago, izabella said:

Putin could get on TV and admit he rigged the election for Trump and Trump would still deny it while insulting America.  He's an idiot, or just doesn't care as long as he gets to loot and pillage this country of everything he can get his fat hands on.

Even if Trump made a public statement saying "Yes, I worked with Russia closely to make sure the election was rigged", his supporters would hotly defend him saying "What he really means is that he wanted all of Hillary's emails made public so he could lock her up, and God bless him for that".

[film noire]

1 hour ago, Ceindreadh said:

Will that be before or after China calls in his loans?

LOL.

But -- to be fair  -- in TrumpWorld those aren't "loans", they're a twelfth dimensional chess move that places Trump in the catbird seat and we're all just too dumb to understand his Spock-like mastery of geopolitics (learned playing "Risk" with Barron -- who realized at six he had to let Trump win every time or his father would shake his fists in Barron's face while screaming "DADDY HAS BIG HANDS! DADDY HAS BIG HANDS!")

Edited December 12, 2016 by film noire

[Chicken Wing]

That press conference El Crazy was going to have this Thursday to address his business conflicts? Reportedly postponed to January.

[tenativelyyours]

1 hour ago, slf said:

That is a terrible plan. The comments section digs into why and links to another comments section that also does so. That is not only the opposite of a good plan it's likely to set off a domino effect of bad shit. What is that guy thinking?

Why is Trump trying to beat China? And what is he attempting to beat them at?

 

Anyone who talks as if the world economy is a win-lose situation clearly has issues.  Financial ones.  Ones that bank on the tax payer picking their trussed fat ass off the floor or having daddy bail them out.  The last two times our economy took a hit that had impact was when China wobbled.  Want to see where Fortune 500 is putting their money?  China.  Want to know where most of the the bright and shiny things that drive our service economy are at made in part from?  China.  the equity alone is staggering and this puling dumbass that will be in the Oval Office in less than two months time thinks it is some kind of Real Housewives brinksmanship over who comes out with more fans on social media.  His idiocy would be hilarious if it wasn't so appalling.

He brags about being smart and all he does is show us every hour since the election how much he really doesn't know.

And does so in ways that has to have Putin laughing his ass off.  He helped put the Scariest Sickest Muppet in office and that Muppet is walking around saying the today's letter is "5" and then smirks as if he just illustrated his driving brilliance. 

Everyone who has interviewed him that liked him said he had an attention span of a small child and the retention rate of, well, no adult human they had even spoken to that they could recall.  No wonder he does not want to take security briefings every day.  He thinks they will be the same thing and he already knows them.  Last time someone was this smart was when the Psychic Hotline went bankrupt.  Oh yeah. Bankrupt.  He drove a casino into the ground.  And he thinks he can play games with China and Putin?  China holds the Us economy by the balls and Putin kills people who make him angry.  Good luck Fat Orange Fuck.  The rest of us will need it.

[suomi]

12 hours ago, navelgazer said:

Feeling the need to say "Annex Finland, my ass." The Finns put 65,000 Russian troops 6 feet under the last time that was tried, during The Winter War of 1939/1940.

[Duke Silver]

https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/808474863820296192

[slf]

I love Eichenwald but dammit man don't be vague. At least give a proper hint.

[Macbeth]

Yeah keep dissing the CIA Trump - this is one agency - with a very high body count you don't want to disrespect.  Once they learned he was not doing the daily briefings - they were out to get him.  Trump should read "The Devil's Chessboard" by David Talbot - but it doesn't have pictures so....

I figured someone would take him out - I just figured it would be done covertly.   But it is an emergency so....  You know you are screwed when it's the CIA coming to the rescue.  I mean has that organization ever done anything that was ethical -sorry - that's way too high a standard - I will accept legal.

We may end up with a civil war between deep state and the 1 percenters.  Corporate America is thrilled with Trump's appointments. The CEO of Exxon as Secretary of State - never in their wildest dreams.  Deep state is supposed to install banana republics - not take them out.

I am linking an article from The Intercept.  I rely on this website to cut through the bs.

https://theintercept.com/2016/12/12/obama-must-declassify-evidence-of-russian-hacking

Edited December 13, 2016 by Macbeth

[Pixel]

29 minutes ago, Duke Silver said:

https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/808474863820296192

Well, I know he just cancelled the press conference for Thursday that was supposed to announce how he's fixing his conflicts of interest. It hasn't been rescheduled. 

[sleekandchic]

Rachel Maddow now on MSNBC previewing the Eichenwald story. Exclusive.

[Duke Silver]

51 minutes ago, Duke Silver said:

https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/808474863820296192

***Watch Rachel Maddow.  She's breaking the substance of the story Eichenwald/Newsweek is releasing tomorrow

[Duke Silver]

https://twitter.com/JesseFFerguson/status/808483786455392258

[AntiBeeSpray]

^ I'm betting he won't cancel those.

[Duke Silver]

4 minutes ago, AntiBeeSpray said:

^ I'm betting he won't cancel those.

Of course not.  Those rallies are Viagra for his ego.

[Padma]

Reid isn't backing down. Says Trump campaign was in contact with wikileaks over release of emails from Russian hacking. Calls Comey a vehicle for Republicans.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/harry-reid-russia-donald-trump_us_584f0df0e4b0e05aded537cd

Eager to see tomorrow's Newsweek revelations about Tubby's business dealings. I don't doubt for a minute that the new date for the announcement of what he is doing with them will come AFTER his inauguration.

Tomorrow he's announcing SOS. How long before he asks Nielsen for ratings of his decisions and for his victory tours (more coming, btw, this week. Because one egomaniacal "I won! Suck it, losers!" tour isn't enough for this ass.

[KerleyQ]

Have we ever gotten word on how his victory tour is being paid for?  I mean, I know we're likely footing the bill, but it would be nice to have it spelled out  not only that we're paying for it, but how much we're paying for it.  

One of my Trump loving acquaintances was gushing about watching It's A Wonderful Life, how it's their favorite movie, and it always makes them feel good, etc.  I so badly wanted to say "I assume you're rooting for Mr. Potter?"  

[Duke Silver]

I want to take Reid seriously, but man....the old coot (sorry, so not PC, and I do sincerely respect him) has said so many crazy things in the past (see: Mitt Romney tax stuff).  Guessing he's just going out in a blaze of glory, causing trump as much of a headache as possible.

[AntiBeeSpray]

3 minutes ago, Duke Silver said:

I want to take Reid seriously, but man....the old coot (sorry, so not PC, and I do sincerely respect him) has said so many crazy things in the past (see: Mitt Romney tax stuff).  Guessing he's just going out in a blaze of glory, causing trump as much of a headache as possible.

Better for him to do that (cause Orange putz ball as much of a headache as he can) than to do nothing.

[navelgazer]

1 minute ago, AntiBeeSpray said:

Better for him to do that (cause Orange putz ball as much of a headache as he can) than to do nothing.

 

...like the rest of the quote/unquote Democratic Party leadership.  Nary a peep from the lot of them.  

[Padma]

19 minutes ago, Duke Silver said:

I want to take Reid seriously, but man....the old coot (sorry, so not PC, and I do sincerely respect him) has said so many crazy things in the past (see: Mitt Romney tax stuff).  Guessing he's just going out in a blaze of glory, causing trump as much of a headache as possible.

I haven't been a huge fan previously, but if Reid will keep the pressure on Tubby (and building) until the very last moment he can (is his term over on Jan 20 or earlier?), he will have my undying gratitude.

[Duke Silver]

SMH.  Trump is saying a giant "fuck you"....naming Rex Tillerson as his SoS pick.  Putins bitches are going to be running our country.

[AntiBeeSpray]

4 minutes ago, Duke Silver said:

SMH.  Drumpf is saying a giant "fuck you"....naming Rex Tillerson as his SoS pick.  Putins bitches are going to be running our country.

Yep. Not too thrilled with it. But that pick wasn't unexpected either.

[Padma]

Catherine Rempel (Washington Post) has an imaginative idea for saving NYC (and U.S. taxpayers) on the costs of Tubby's & Co's lifestyle in Trump Tower now and as president (Psst! C'mon EC! Make this all just a bad dream!)

Anyway, her idea is to use the law of eminent domain and for NYC to seize it on behalf of the citizens.  After all, while others have criticized eminent domain as a land grab, Tubby is a big proponent of it!  Now is the perfect opportunity for Americans to see it in action, on the public's behalf!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/new-york-should-seize-trump-tower/2016/12/12/6dfdfc50-c0b2-11e6-897f-918837dae0ae_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-f%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.51f53b9ad2ff

[Toomuchsoap]

48 minutes ago, Duke Silver said:

SMH.  Trump is saying a giant "fuck you"....naming Rex Tillerson as his SoS pick.  Putins bitches are going to be running our country.

Which is EXACTLY what Reid has been alluding to - now stating as fact. Even McConnell is paying attention to this now. Why is that? Was the Tillerson announcement or just the overwhelming substance of these allegations just beginning to make it dawn on these hacks that they've lost control of their puppet and he's an apparatchik of VladPutin now?

Oh, and BTW, Eichenwald of Newsweek now reports that Erdoghan (sp?) of Turkey, after a congratulatory conversation with tRump in which Cheeto was extolling the virtues of his good Turkish friend (i.e., co-investor in a real estate/hotel investment in Turkey) by the name of Dogan, was just arrested and incarcerated. This guy is semi-retired and older than tRump. The    overriding belief in the intelligence community now is that development happened for one reason only: leverage to force the extradition of the Pennsylvania resident, a Muslim cleric, that Erdoghan has demanded since that squirrelly "coup" that took place earlier this year.

Edited December 13, 2016 by Toomuchsoap

[Duke Silver]

^^ McConnell is playing to the cheap seats.  I don't believe for a second in his sincerity about....well, anything, really, other than obstructing any non-GOP measure.  He & asswipe Paul Ryan (and Nunes, head of House Intel Comm) are against any kind of select panel to investigate things.  It's gonna be what I said yesterday:  a dog & pony show.  Our government will be in the hands of Putin and anyone else to whom Trump owes money.

[backformore]

[backformore]

Holy shit

Rachel Maddow previews explosive Newsweek story

NEW -Turkey leveraging Trump's business interests in a blackmail scheme?

Edited December 13, 2016 by backformore

[Toomuchsoap]

Saw Rachel and just posted. Nothing short of a Mafia-style threat: "nice friend you have, Don- it'd be a shame if anything happened to such a lovely friend or his lovely family."

Edited December 13, 2016 by Toomuchsoap

[BookWoman56]

4 hours ago, suomi said:

Feeling the need to say "Annex Finland, my ass." The Finns put 65,000 Russian troops 6 feet under the last time that was tried, during The Winter War of 1939/1940.

As a big fan of Finnish music, one reason this election has scared me so much is that Trump seems perfectly okay with Russia doing whatever the hell it wants to, probably up to and including invading other countries. I want Putin to stay the hell away from Finland. He needs to stay the hell out of other countries too, but I selfishly put Finland at the top of my list of countries that need to stay intact. I will admit I enjoy the scenario of Putin being captured by Finland and forced to listen to nonstop death metal at high volume.

[Toomuchsoap]

1 hour ago, Duke Silver said:

^^ McConnell is playing to the cheap seats.  I don't believe for a second in his sincerity about....well, anything, really, other than obstructing any non-GOP measure.  He & asswipe Paul Ryan (and Nunes, head of House Intel Comm) are against any kind of select panel to investigate things.  It's gonna be what I said yesterday:  a dog & pony show.  Our government will be in the hands of Putin and anyone else to whom Trump owes money.

Or anyone who has a business or government leverage over HIM personally. The man is seriously compromised. At some point, does anyone think that a lot of folks who thought they were wagging the dog now realize they're now the 'wagees'?

Edited December 13, 2016 by Toomuchsoap

[Toomuchsoap]

11 minutes ago, BookWoman56 said:

As a big fan of Finnish music, one reason this election has scared me so much is that Trump seems perfectly okay with Russia doing whatever the hell it wants to, probably up to and including invading other countries. I want Putin to stay the hell away from Finland. He needs to stay the hell out of other countries too, but I selfishly put Finland at the top of my list of countries that need to stay intact. I will admit I enjoy the scenario of Putin being captured by Finland and forced to listen to nonstop death metal at high volume.

Don't remember the death toll of Russians when they marched into Finland during WWII, but it was staggering. The Fins are resolute in their defense of their country's sovereignty. We should be that resolute.

[parisprincess]

11 hours ago, OrigamiNightmare said:

http://theslot.jezebel.com/congress-just-armed-donald-trump-and-steve-bannon-with-1790001249

Ugggh this is not good.

& on an unrelated note ... If you want to support Senator Warren’s request to audit President-Elect Trump’s finances for conflicts of interest, the woman who answered the phone at the Comptroller General of the Government Accountability Office said the most effective way to be sure my support counted was to email two administrators, Katherine Siggerud and Timothy Minnelli.

    Their email addresses are siggerudk@gao.gov, minellit@gao.gov.

    There is a third email, congrel@gao.gov, through which they are tracking people who were urging support for an audit.

    You can send one email addressed to:

    siggerudk@gao.gov, minellit@gao.gov, congrel@gao.gov

    Subject line:

    Re: Audit for President-Elect Trump’s financial concerns

    Dear Ms. Siggerud and Mr. Minnelli,

    I’m writing in support of Senator Elizabeth Warren’s request for an audit of our incoming President-Elect Trump’s finances, to prohibit conflicts of interest that would prevent him from carrying out the responsibilities of the office without corrupt influence.

    Sincerely,

    Your name

OrigamiNightmare, thank you for posting the contacts and sample email. I plan to share it with all of my relatives and friends, requesting that they copy and send it to those mentioned. I hope everyone reading this will do the same. 

Every day there's a new concern with the orange asshole. Now Trump would like Ivanka and her husband to be able to serve in his administration and it looks like the R's are looking for a way to make it happen. Those jerks in Congress are going to give that moron more power than any President has ever had. It just keeps getting worse and worse.

[backformore]

48 minutes ago, Toomuchsoap said:

Saw Rachel and just posted. Nothing short of a Mafia-style threat: "nice friend you have, Don- it'd be a shame if anything happened to such a lovely friend or his lovely family."

And the long-term implications are mind-boggling.  ANY country that has a Trump business, hotel, golf course, etc -  can leverage the president's financial interest against political gain.  Are we supposed to trust Trump to do what is best for the country if it is in conflict with what is best for his bank account?  

[Ceindreadh]

2 hours ago, backformore said:

And the long-term implications are mind-boggling.  ANY country that has a Trump business, hotel, golf course, etc -  can leverage the president's financial interest against political gain.  Are we supposed to trust Trump to do what is best for the country if it is in conflict with what is best for his bank account?  

Why is anybody surprised by this? Does anybody really think that Trump will put American interests before his business interests?

The only thing that's surprised me a little - although it probably shouldn't - is that according to the Rachel Maddox link, Trump practically painted a target on his business colleague's back by mentioning him to the Turkish president. Anybody working for Trump abroad might want to update their insurance policies!

[Lunata]

I turned on the television this morning and heard an audio clip from Kellyanne Conway and what I heard her say was;  "He's the President of the United States the legislature can do what it wants".

I think that Putin, Trump and OPEC plan to carve up the world. one big chunk for each of them to manage and dictate to. It can't be clearer that it's looking like a division of super-powers in collaboration with each other. We're being set up. The EU has already been dismantled. Angela Merkel is the only super-power that trying to prevent Russia taking Ukraine by imposing sanctions on Russia. She's all that stands in the way of Russia taking everything in Europe. Now that the U.S. has sold out, Angela Merkel is just about the only one left to defend Europe.

[Duke Silver]

****Here is Eichenwald's story; the one causing Trump's team to delay his PC abut how his conflicts will be handled****

HOW DONALD TRUMP'S BUSINESS TIES ARE ALREADY JEOPARDIZING U.S. INTERESTS

[MulletorHater]

9 hours ago, Toomuchsoap said:

Saw Rachel and just posted. Nothing short of a Mafia-style threat: "nice friend you have, Don- it'd be a shame if anything happened to such a lovely friend or his lovely family."

As angry as I am with corporate media, particularly the cable "news" channels, I find that I can't quite quit Rachel, Joy, LOD and Chris Hayes.  I still watch in small doses, but it's stories like this that make me continue my viewership.

Every week, I say that I'm appalled about something this tangerine turd has done.  However, I also realize that there simply is no bottom to what he and his family will do.  Every time the bar is lowered, they manage to slither under it like the slugs and bottom feeders (with money) they truly are.  And, no I don't trust any of them to put this country's security and interests above lining their own pockets.  This story also puts to rest the ridiculous narrative that Ivanka the Terrible will be some kind of steadying influence on her father.  She, her husband and brothers are all cut from the same piece of cloth.  Hers is just presented with a supposedly prettier bow.

I can't wait to read Eichenwald's article, which only validates every concern I had and why folks need to stop trying to normalize him by playing the "go along just to get along" game.

[KerleyQ]

11 hours ago, Duke Silver said:

^^ McConnell is playing to the cheap seats.  I don't believe for a second in his sincerity about....well, anything, really, other than obstructing any non-GOP measure.  He & asswipe Paul Ryan (and Nunes, head of House Intel Comm) are against any kind of select panel to investigate things.  It's gonna be what I said yesterday:  a dog & pony show.  Our government will be in the hands of Putin and anyone else to whom Trump owes money.

McConnell is being pretty transparent here.  He makes a big grand statement condemning foreign influence in our election, and then he slides in "but no need to create a new committee to investigate this, I've got it covered."  He wants his fingers all over this investigation so he can both monitor and direct it.  He doesn't like the idea of a new special bipartisan committee being created to investigate it, because he may not be able to secure any oversight on that new committee.  The rest of the Senate should demand that he stay hands (and eyes) off the investigation because of his wife's appointment.  

1 hour ago, Lunata said:

I turned on the television this morning and heard an audio clip from Kellyanne Conway and what I heard her say was;  "He's the President of the United States the legislature can do what it wants".

I think that Putin, Trump and OPEC plan to carve up the world. one big chunk for each of them to manage and dictate to. It can't be clearer that it's looking like a division of super-powers in collaboration with each other. We're being set up. The EU has already been dismantled. Angela Merkel is the only super-power that trying to prevent Russia taking Ukraine by imposing sanctions on Russia. She's all that stands in the way of Russia taking everything in Europe. Now that the U.S. has sold out, Angela Merkel is just about the only one left to defend Europe.

I actually think that Putin and OPEC have no intention of letting Trump maintain any portion of the world.  They'll use him to weaken our ties to our allies, allowing them to do what they want, then they'll turn their attention here.  Putin will never be satisfied as long as there is someone out there who has some power that he could get his hands on.  

Can I simultaneously feel bad about the people who have been arrested in Turkey for no legit reason while still finding it hilarious that one of Trump's victory calls to push for his business interests has already spectacularly backfired on him?  

Edited December 13, 2016 by KerleyQ

[backformore]

1 hour ago, Duke Silver said:

****Here is Eichenwald's story; the one causing Trump's team to delay his PC abut how his conflicts will be handled****

HOW DONALD TRUMP'S BUSINESS TIES ARE ALREADY JEOPARDIZING U.S. INTERESTS

EVERYONE must see this -  it's horrifying.   Trump is using the United States presidency to further his own business interests. to a much larger extent than anyone thought.

[backformore]

6 hours ago, Ceindreadh said:

Why is anybody surprised by this? Does anybody really think that Trump will put American interests before his business interests?

I'm not surprised THAT he's putting business interests first, that was obvious from the start.   But the extent he will go to, in order to protect his businesses, astounds me. I was worried that he was too stupid to be president.   Now I'm frightened that he is too EVIL to be president.

[Ocean Chick]

15 hours ago, suomi said:

Feeling the need to say "Annex Finland, my ass." The Finns put 65,000 Russian troops 6 feet under the last time that was tried, during The Winter War of 1939/1940.

Preach, my fellow Suomi!

Edited December 13, 2016 by Ocean Chick

[choclatechip45]

Condoleeza Rice is the last person I want any president taking National Security advice from. Her tenure as NSA was a disaster plus Exxon is one of her clients. I do respect her work at Stanford though I just don't want her near any security decisions.

Edited December 13, 2016 by choclatechip45

[sistermagpie]

55 minutes ago, stewedsquash said:

Rachel pushed it last night but this morning, it seems like no one listened to her very serious voice and no one is panicked about Kurt's word salad yet.

That "word salad" is what we're now trying to call actual investigative reporting, is why Trump doesn't even have to pretend he's not using the presidency to line his pockets. Ratings are actually irrelevant to whether or not the facts are true or the reporting is good. It's not American Idol.  If the Newsweek story is considered less credible than Trump's latest Tweet about how the CIA don't know shit that does not mean Newsweek and Rachel Maddow are wrong, it means many in the US lack critical thinking skills or the attention span to understand a Newsweek article. Big change since Watergate, which was also just word salad from a bunch of elitist reporters with their snooty facts.

55 minutes ago, stewedsquash said:

Condoleeza is one of my "Top 10 Women Who Became Successful On Their Own and Have An Interesting and Fulfilling Life Outside Of Politics" (Hillary is not on that list, snicker) so if she is good with the choice, I am comfortable.

But then, you may have been comfortable with the choice regardless of whether or not it was validated by somebody on the snicker list. 

47 minutes ago, stewedsquash said:

 

Hmm, some unexpected consequences from Jill's (Hillary) recount blunder:

 

I think everyone knows that voter id laws have nothing to do with recounts. Recounting is making sure the votes that were cast are counted correctly. Voter ID laws are about making it harder for certain groups to vote and were being pushed long before Jill Stein. Voter disenfranchisement is not a just punishment for people getting uppity and demanding their civil rights. Jill Stein isn't the one claiming that illegal immigrants are allowed to vote. I think maybe Trump may have been pushing that one hard since losing the popular vote.

Edited December 13, 2016 by sistermagpie