S11.E15: Shamrocks And Shockwaves

[Natalie68]

2 hours ago, ryebread said:

Maybe.  Maybe not.

If I was a RHOOC and my friend was a loan officer, I can see her calling me up out of the blue and saying, "Ohhhh! You'll never guess who applied for a loan with my bank this morning...Heather and her doctor, DuBrow ."  Especially if she knew I didn't care for Heather becau$e she thought she was so above everyone el$e.

Totally plausible.

Still siding with Kelly on this one.  But I'll watch again because I can only pay half attention to these cows so I might've missed something.

But isn't this a HUGE no no in the mortgage world?  As in completely unethical?  Hopefully this little spill gets that person to lose whatever license they may have.   I certainly wouldn't work with anyone that was going to spill my personal info especially when they are profiting from me going to them.  

[Maharincess]

1 hour ago, ElDosEquis said:

I had been laughing at all the posts and then YOU made me REALLY laugh.

I think that is the ONLY time the triple K has been funny?

Word that needs to be retired?

Bully  - and any derivative thereof.

Nose Flicking?

That is one thing that is probably more personal and ONLY done to people who have a sense of humor.

My brother and I do it to each other whenever possible....I'd never think of doing it to someone who had a tight ass or has no sense of humor, they just do not get it. (There is nothing to be got anyway?)

I don't think not wanting some idiot to childishly flick my (their) nose has a damn thing to do with having a sense of humor. I have a sense of humor but I still think it's immature, childish and ridiculous for a grown adult to do that. Nose flicking is something that the vast majority of mature adults would not want done to them. It has NOTHING to do with having a sense of humor.  If anybody tried touching my face in such an idiotic way, ID break their damn finger. 

People "don't get it"?  I don't get why anybody over the age of 7 would think it's funny. 

Edited October 11, 2016 by Maharincess

[pbutler111]

I don't know whether Steve sent those flowers to Vicki or not, but I will say that having flowers delivered in another country is really no more effort than having them delivered around the corner. I had flowers delivered to someone in Australia just recently, and it was exact;y the same process as when I had flowers sent to my mother in Michigan for her birthday. God bless the internet.

[Natalie68]

1 hour ago, Giselle said:

That may have happened and the loan officer was wrong. I hope she is fired or sanctioned or what ever they do and the loan company sued. Not sure if loan info is public information when the deed is recorded. If so there may be no recourse. Zoeysmom???

Kelly is also wrong because IT WAS NOT HER NEWS TO TELL. It was pure gossip said to disparage Heather. One has to wonder who else she told and how often was it repeated.

Tamra was also wrong for perpetuating the gossip by telling it again and she did it out of spite.

Despite Tamra mixing up who did what the fact remains that the Dubrow's financial privacy was violated by the loan officer and by Kelly repeating it. They are equally both guilty. Period.

No its not.  I know when I was tracking my fathers property records regarding his house that the sociopath was trying to steal I could see there WAS a loan but not what it was.  I had to go to the lending company for that and even then I had to prove that my sister was successor trustee (we were beneficiaries but that wasn't enough for info)  and they would release the info to her.  So this is totally verboten in the lending world.  I see it happening like this:  Kelly doesn't like Heather and looks at this public info  (is there a reconveyance to the lender which lets you know there is a lien on it) and yes there is or was.  She knows someone who works for that lending company and gives them a ring and that person spills not thinking it would be broadcast on Bravo.  That scenario could be entirely made up by me but you don't get the loan deets unless you can prove you you have a right to them which KMD does not.

[ElDosEquis]

17 hours ago, Should Be Working said:

Kelly has all kinds of problems going on. This is what you get when you mix a histrionic personality, double digit IQ, perpetual rage, and a fondness for mixing Xanax and hard liquor. A fucking human disaster zone.

And may I add: Vicki is repulsive in every possible way. No way any dude with all of his natural teeth and middling eyesight is filling her love tank. No way. 

To donate, Text the word KELLY to the American Red Cross, People on the ground need your help!

Edited October 11, 2016 by ElDosEquis

[Mu Shu]

2 hours ago, Jajamac said:

I feel the same way about Vicki, she's disgusting and she's way too old to be wearing ripped jeans ugh!

There is this woman about Vickis age on YouTube who does make up tutorials, fashion hauls, etc.. She has ripped jeans, but she knows how to wear them and looks fucking fantastic.  Vicki usually just looks like 10 lbs of sausage in a 5 lb casing.  She simply cannot dress herself outside work.

[Duke2801]

I don't know if Megan had extensions while filming this season, but I agree that her hair doesn't look great.  I do, however, think her hair looks pretty good in her THs where it's shoulder length. Whether she simply got it cut, or took extensions out, I think it is a vast improvement.  

[psychoticstate]

7 hours ago, ghoulina said:

First, I just have to get this off of my chest. Ireland has been my dream vacation for as long as I can remember. I'm half Irish on both sides of my family, and my heritage is something very important to me. My husband and I are working class, living on one income, and we haven't had much time/money to travel domestically, let alone overseas. I've never been out of the country. This summer, surprisingly, my husband declared that he was going to use our tax return to send my mom and me to Ireland. So we're planning a trip for April. Words can't even express how excited and thankful I am for this opportunity. So to see these women who have the means to travel pretty much anywhere they want, any time they want, make complete arses of themselves in my motherland and completely take where they are for granted, makes me ill. In fact, if I wasn't planning this trip, I don't even think I could watch these episodes. They have NO idea how fortunate they are. 

Okay, now that I got that out of my system. Let's start with packing. 

Kelly is packing and asks her husband, "What's there to do there?" - like she's going to some podunk town with one traffic light. Now, personally, I'm interested in seeing the smaller, more quaint towns in Ireland. But they're going to Dublin! There's plenty to do there! And even outside of the bigger cities, Ireland is full of history and culture, come on now. I'm only going to be there for 6 days and I am having the hardest time paring down what I want to do. You could live there for months and not see it all. But, you know, here's an idea, Kelly - research before you go. Look up what there is to do there, instead of just walking in blind! She's such a moron. 

Then we have Heather packing her designer umbrella in its fancy, little case (which in itself is NOT a bad idea at all). But then she slings it over her body and yells out, "Like a bow and arrow!" - as if it's so fitting, considering where she's going. Ummmm, don't think the Irish were ever known for archery, but okay. 

And Shannon, honey, I love ya, but you're flying to Dublin. The Shannon airport is in Shannon.

And, finally, we get Vicki using her packing sequence to remind us that she has a man in her life. Because we all know those shoes were intentionally put there for that scene, right? Right. Okay. Moving on. 

So then they get to Ireland and immediately start acting like fools. Well, mainly Kelly. I was beyond mortified when she made fun of that poor guy who worked at the hotel's accent. I literally yelled to my husband, "She did NOT just say 'me Lucky Charms' to him, did she???" Sigh. Way to be incredibly stereotypical and disrespectful. Come on, even sitting here on my couch I could understand exactly what he said. I shouldn't be surprised, these ladies never travel well. 

So then they spend their first day in Eire inside pubs. Okay, the Irish are definitely known for their pubs and their Guinness and whiskey. I get it. But I hope next week we get to see some more of the city and the country. These chicks drink all the time at home. Go learn something! More importantly, given what happened on that day, the last thing they need on this trip is more alcohol. 

Honestly, Kelly really just ruined this trip. If both she and Vicki had stayed home, it actually might not have been THAT bad. But forget Michael Dodd, you can't take Kelly anywhere. Yes, in hindsight the nose flicking thing seems like such a silly thing to start a fight over. But it was her reaction to being asked to stop that really got things going. Vicki told her she didn't like it, and Kelly did it again! So several other people told her it wasn't funny and she acted like they were all just so humorless. I don't know about her crazy mom, but I've been teaching my kids that a joke isn't funny unless everyone enjoys it. Basically - you don't get your kicks out of upsetting other people. If Kelly would have just said, "Okay, I'm sorry, I'll stop", things would have been fine. But she was determined to make it seem like she was a real ball of sunshine and everyone else is out of their mind for not enjoying having their nose flicked. It's about personal space, if you can't respect that, you suck at life. 

And then she goes on to accuse Heather of being a bad Jew, because she doesn't get Kelly's infantile jokes. But that's not racist - because she's Mexican!

Then she further digs her whole by calling Tamra a "shit disturber" (wouldn't that be David, getting the enema tip out of Shannon's ass?) - which, let's be clear, Tamra LOVES to stir the pot. But it's not very wise to accuse Tamra of spilling all your secrets when there's ones she's still sitting on. So now it's out - Kelly has made accusations about the Dubrows finances. I don't really care whether she made the realtor look into it, or was just told about it off-hand, she definitely wanted that info to get around. 

But, of course, she couldn't stop there. So had to go and step in the biggest pile of shit ever and bring Tamra's estranged daughter into it. Wow. That entire segment was so uncomfortable. And I don't really see Shannon as a shit disturber in that case. A. it was on camera. B. Kelly wasn't really trying to be quiet, and Tamra was just a few feet in front of her. So eh, whatever. 

Kelly was just so off the charts out of control that it made Vicki sexually harassing the poor bartenders of Ireland look like the work of a saint in comparison. Egads, And I'm really tired of Kelly acting like this is just high school all over again, and more "mean girls" are out to get her. SHE is the mean girl. If you're constantly yelling at people and intentionally pushing buttons, you're not being ganged up on. You're being rightfully called out on your shitty behavior. 

I would have been back at the hotel with Shannon. Genealogy and ancestry fascinate me. It was so cool what she learned about her family!

The dinner scenes, sans Kelly, were fun. I about died at the shot of the old men playing cards at Johnny Foxes. THAT is the Ireland I want to see. Flipping adorable. The music and dancing were delightful. But why are these women ordering in Ireland and refusing potatoes???? Sacrilege!!! 

I like your entire post and totally agree.

I have to admit that I did like Heather's little red umbrella that had its own (stylish) carrying case.  Smart.  I'm sure the other heifers on the trip never considered they were going to a country where rainfall is the norm.  Heck, these idiots wear heels when walking on cobblestones.

Which brings me to my main point.  It's not just this show but also shows like Below Deck where the "visitors" are in a beautiful location, whether it be Dublin, Greece, the BVI, and all they want to do is drink.  For the love of God, WHY? 

I desperately want to visit Ireland.  I absolutely would go into a pub for an authentic Irish drink and meal (and that includes potatoes, you damn fools.)  But you can drink yourself stupid (not a stretch for a few of these ladies) back home in the OC.  Soak up the local culture SOBER and enjoy the beautiful locale.  Learn some history.  Talk to natives (and no, that doesn't mean make fun of their accent or comment on their ass.)  Check out souvenirs and antiques.  There are so many options and these hags act like they traveled all the way to Riverside or something.   Did NO ONE actually Google Dublin and check out what they'd want to do and see while there?  Clearly Meghan P.I. did and I imagine Heather did, unless she's already visited Dublin.  How would you even know what to pack if you didn't get some basic information on the area?  I just can't with these fools. And I have news, going back to the potatoes.  With all the alcohol they are downing, I don't think eating a potato is going to make much of a difference.  Just saying. 

If I had been on this trip, I would have done my own thing and left these jackasses to brawl it out in the street.  Or at least taken Heather and Meghan with me.  They are the least offensive on these trips.  Kelly, Vicki and Tamra are liabilities. They ruin it for everyone.

I understand why Shannon told Tamra but I probably would have kept my mouth shut until after the trip, given that this is an incredibly sensitive subject.  Why ruin the rest of the trip for anyone else?   And while I don't agree at all with putting your hands on anyone, I would have wanted to give Kelly a beat down if she were flicking me and grabbing at me in the pub.  I despise that. 

Does this mean Kelly will fly home solo?  I doubt we'll be that lucky.  Girl, you just got your drunken ass in Dublin.  Suck it up, put your big (mean) girl panties on, apologize to everyone for being an asshole and move forward with the trip.  I never thought anyone would annoy me as much as Gretchen but Kelly is sunthin' alright.  I'm not sure how any of us have handled having Kelly, Tamra AND Vicki on our screens simultaneously.   I wouldn't surprised if we were all stricken with PTSD.  

[ElDosEquis]

20 minutes ago, Maharincess said:

I don't think not wanting some idiot to childishly flick my (their) nose has a damn thing to do with having a sense of humor. I have a sense of humor but I still think it's immature, childish and ridiculous for a grown adult to do that. Nose flicking is something that the vast majority of mature adults would not want done to them. It has NOTHING to do with having a sense of humor.  If anybody tried touching my face in such an idiotic way, ID break their damn finger. 

People "don't get it"?  I don't get why anybody over the age of 7 would think it's funny. 

I have multiples of the 'age of seven', I don't mind it when my brother catches me with it.

I figure out the people who I do not want to interact with me and me with them very quickly?

I'd never allow any of the skanks on that TV show to even look at me, I am from the L.A. County.

We are humans there.

[WireWrap]

2 hours ago, ryebread said:

Maybe.  Maybe not.

If I was a RHOOC and my friend was a loan officer, I can see her calling me up out of the blue and saying, "Ohhhh! You'll never guess who applied for a loan with my bank this morning...Heather and her doctor, DuBrow ."  Especially if she knew I didn't care for Heather becau$e she thought she was so above everyone el$e.

Totally plausible.

Still siding with Kelly on this one.  But I'll watch again because I can only pay half attention to these cows so I might've missed something.

Kelly was not a cast member when Heather/Terry bought either plots of land for their houses. The first house was already built when H/T joined the show and they bought this new plot 2 - 3 years ago, even before Shannon joined the cast. Sooooo, your scenario could not have happened the way you present it. I see Kelly looking for dirt on all the HWs, except Vicki, before or just after filming began and saw the Dubrows had a loan on the plot at 1 time and went to someone she knows to get the details about it. So, I think Tamra's version is closer to the truth than Kelly's version, aka/lie! LOL

[doublek61]

I haven't watched yet (sorry - lifelong Cubs fan here, and their playoff game went into extra innings and kept me up past my bedtime last night!) but I must admit that I am dying of curiosity to know what this nose flicking thing is!  LOL

[ElDosEquis]

34 minutes ago, sandyskyblue said:

The contrast in this episode was shocking: the lovely scenery and people of Ireland vs. nose flicking, Vicki's 'dancing', crude insults being shouted in a public place, being ejected from a store, etc....is this the world we live in??

Hey, they were just putting the 'ire' in Ireland.

[Mu Shu]

24 minutes ago, Maharincess said:

I don't think not wanting some idiot to childishly flick my (their) nose has a damn thing to do with having a sense of humor. I have a sense of humor but I still think it's immature, childish and ridiculous for a grown adult to do that. Nose flicking is something that the vast majority of mature adults would not want done to them. It has NOTHING to do with having a sense of humor.  If anybody tried touching my face in such an idiotic way, ID break their damn finger. 

People "don't get it"?  I don't get why anybody over the age of 7 would think it's funny. 

I will join you in the finger breaking.  Keep the fuck at least a foot from my person at all times lest you want draw back a bloody stump.  Unless you are the guy from the LensCrafters commercial.  

[HunterHunted]

15 hours ago, yourmomiseasy said:

LOL at Kelly declaring herself being bullied by the mean girls!  And also at her talking head being all I don't know why they are so pissed off, it isn't like I'm calling them cunts.  She's garbage, but her lack of self awareness is kind of hilarious at times.

Hopefully when her marriage implodes, someone will introduce her to Trevor "saying your tattoo looks like shit is an innocent comment" Walker from Below Deck and these oblivious assholes can just hang with each other.

10 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

And yet she takes every opportunity on camera to put her husband down because she says he can't handle his booze. She did it again tonight while she was packing and he remained cool and calm. I bet it really pisses her off that she can't get a reaction out of him on tape. 

 

 I don't ever think Shannon's funny. She tries too hard and I agree she makes me cringe, too. 

The pub crawl: If I started drinking that early I would be ready for bed by 6pm. I can't believe fancy pants Heather thought that was a good time. She just doesn't fit with these nutjobs. She probably pretends she's acting on a sitcom or something. Why does she continue to stay on this trainwreck? 

Kelly needs to quit talking about Michael's drinking. He's either really good at hiding his drinking or she's being manipulative by constantly accusing him off being an alcoholic. Or she's projecting. Or he's getting a hero's edit because Kelly is just that awful to the crew.

Even though Terry has Botched and Botched by Nature, those aren't good venues for him to promote his books and skin care line and any other product/project he can dream up. I think Heather will likely stay on as long as Terry needs her to be on.

[ElDosEquis]

4 hours ago, Giselle said:

Me too! To use "KKKelly non-logic" it must be why they are God's chosen people. Maybe it wasn't Adam's rib but Adam's funny bone that God used to create Eve. Wait, no, there was a metric F-ton of begats before Abraham, the father of Judaism. Must have been sometime after Isaac's close call that God gave the Jews the funny bone... the part of the covenant that wasn't talked about but was joked about thereafter... because they are funny you know.

Sheesh! Are KKKelly's sheets percale or satin?

Do I detect a little Old Tyme Religion in your post?
 

I think the begats were measured in an f-ton of cubits?

[ghoulina]

27 minutes ago, psychoticstate said:

I desperately want to visit Ireland.  I absolutely would go into a pub for an authentic Irish drink and meal (and that includes potatoes, you damn fools.)  But you can drink yourself stupid (not a stretch for a few of these ladies) back home in the OC.  Soak up the local culture SOBER and enjoy the beautiful locale.  Learn some history.  Talk to natives (and no, that doesn't mean make fun of their accent or comment on their ass.)  Check out souvenirs and antiques.  There are so many options and these hags act like they traveled all the way to Riverside or something.   Did NO ONE actually Google Dublin and check out what they'd want to do and see while there?  Clearly Meghan P.I. did and I imagine Heather did, unless she's already visited Dublin.  How would you even know what to pack if you didn't get some basic information on the area?  I just can't with these fools. And I have news, going back to the potatoes.  With all the alcohol they are downing, I don't think eating a potato is going to make much of a difference.  Just saying. 

Yes! Yes, and MORE Yes! That is how you visit a foreign country. I notice a lot on these shows that the women do stuff they would do back home - shop, drink, fine dining, etc. Maybe it's because I'll never have the kind of money to travel like they do, but I actually LIKE the idea of staying in little Irish B&Bs and having my meals in a quaint tea shop. I want to learn as much as I can. I just think - what is the point of going somewhere new if you don't LEARN something??? Egads, they make me mad!

[Giselle]

6 minutes ago, ElDosEquis said:

Do I detect a little Old Tyme Religion in your post?
 

I think the begats were measured in an f-ton of cubits?

Very true. I slept through Sunday School Math when they were doing two by twos and cubits. No Golden Halos next to my name that day.  

38 minutes ago, Duke2801 said:

I don't know if Megan had extensions while filming this season, but I agree that her hair doesn't look great.  I do, however, think her hair looks pretty good in her THs where it's shoulder length. Whether she simply got it cut, or took extensions out, I think it is a vast improvement.  

The baby still doesn't like it.

[ElDosEquis]

2 minutes ago, Giselle said:

Very true. I slept through Sunday School Math when they were doing two by twos and cubits. No Golden Halos next to my name that day.  

I'll give you mine, I earned it as an altar boy. The priests left me alone because I was ugly, really fucking ugly.

[Baltimore Betty]

Didn't Heather convert to Judaism when she married Terry?  She mentioned something about her Jewish lineage, um she has none because her mother is not Jewish.  That aside, the stereotypical funny Jew thing from Kelly is crazy and had to be awful for Heather, I work with a woman who implies I am cheap because I am Jewish, not fun at all (btw, I am not cheap, easy yes, but certainly NOT cheap, lol).

Vicki used good common sense not putting a dime in that bar fight dollar, it's a shame that Tamra had to open her mouth.

[WordsWordsWords]

I have made no secret of my disdain for Kelly ever since she first disgraced my television screen. I didn't think she could tick me off worse. WRONG!

So let me get this straight. She can't be racist because she's Mexican. Yet the first thing she does when she arrives at the lovely Powerscourt Hotel (which the HWs pronounce "cute," as if it's a quaint B&B) is to mock the host's accent, ("Me lucky charms.") and then later to assert drunkenly that all "people of Jewish descent" have sarcastic senses of humour, can take a joke, and don't take things personally.  In between times, she (and the other "ladies") yell at performers, scream at each other, grind on dancers, and make me embarrassed to be an American. Good grief on whole wheat toast with Irish butter (which is the best butter ever, by the way).

And if someone did her oh-so-funny nose-finger-flick crap to me, she'd draw back a stub.

"Kelly has an amazing ability to take a really good time and just knock it on its ass." Heather Dubrow. If she never says another true thing in her life, she's said a mouthful right there.

Drunk HWs never end well. I'm so sorry, Ireland. You are a lovely country full of interesting people, beautiful scenery, fascinating history, and delightful lore. But we sent you a herd of drunken heifers with no class and big mouths.

Speaking of big mouths, Kelly's friend is apt to wish she'd never met Ms. Dodd. I worked in banking, both in loans and mortgages and in deposits (teller work). Speaking about any account-holder is not only a fireable offense, it's legally actionable. I had to sign ironclad confidentiality agreements. If Kelly actually has a friend who said anything about about the Dubrows' loan, that friend is likely to be in some serious legal trouble. That said, Kelly might have made up the whole thing based on some public information. I wouldn't put it past her.

[Baltimore Betty]

Who cares if Heather got a loan for the lot, you have to back up that loan with something and apparently they were approved and even had some money to build a cozy shack with a porta cochere, (sp?) lol,  I wonder if Kelly could come up with that kind of scratch with a loan or otherwise.  Didn't Kelly think that when the camera's are rolling any secret you spill will show up on the show before the reunion is filmed?  Heather would have seen that episode even if Tamra hadn't said anything. 

[zoeysmom]

1 hour ago, Natalie68 said:

But isn't this a HUGE no no in the mortgage world?  As in completely unethical?  Hopefully this little spill gets that person to lose whatever license they may have.   I certainly wouldn't work with anyone that was going to spill my personal info especially when they are profiting from me going to them.  

Yes it is and according to Tamra the woman disclosing was not involved with the Dubrows.  There is a confidentiality component to banking.  http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county/season-11/blogs/tamra-judge/tamra-judge-i-stooped-to-her-level  Tamra discusses it in her blog. 

Since the women who spilled was not Heather's loan broker there is really nothing that can be done to her.  It just goes a step further to show Kelly lies and so do her friends.

[Duke2801]

20 minutes ago, Giselle said:

The baby still doesn't like it.

That baby is one tough critic - and still in utero! Imagine its opinions once it's born.

[farmgal4]

18 hours ago, chewycandy said:

Oh Vicki, you little coquette. Have you realized yet that the men (or "boys" as you like to call them) you flirt with, um, don't want to flirt back?

She really thinks she's hot stuff, doesn't she?  "I'm a great catch!"  Well, she has a little money and is an easy lay, so if that qualifies as a "great catch", maybe she is. I just don't know how anyone can stand to be around her for more than hour, and that's being generous.  She's repulsive IMO.

[zoeysmom]

Here is a story about the Twitter war that ensued last night during the episode;  http://www.realitytea.com/2016/10/11/tamra-judge-kelly-dodd-react-accusations-ireland-plus-kelly-rehab/

This is just an observation, on last week's episode I posted an article where Vicki claimed she had $200,000. 00 in medical expenses related to the dune buggy accident.  The accident happened April3rd, the ladies were in Ireland the first week of May.  Last night Vicki was on WWHL and claimed she felt great never felt better.  Andy asked if there was anything she was doing to help her looks along and Vicki replied-everything.  Vicki seemed to have no problems "dancing" so I am curious just how serious these injuries could be. 

I don't know how long these ladies were in Ireland and have resigned myself to the fact they aren't really going on a vacation, more of a forced venue for maximum potential of episode worthy encounters.  They are working and the thought of watching them culturally enrich themselves does not seem like great TV. 

Edited October 11, 2016 by zoeysmom

[heatherchandler]

3 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Not defending Tamra's parenting ability but it would not seem very wise to give up the support of the family because one child doesn't like your job.  Tamra's not dealing drugs or doing porn-she is just a bitch.  I am thinking she would be an even bigger bitch if she were broke.  Simon might not be too happy if he was having to shovel out a bunch of child support to unemployed Tamra.  I look at it this way if Tamra the principal of a small town high school who was universally disliked by the students should she be asked to give up her job because her daughter feels picked on at school?  I think the daughter has been given too much power and Simon, if he has the influence should encourage the daughter to see her mother just as Tamra should be encouraging the son to Simon.  We have the tail wagging the dog here. 

I don't think kids should dictate what their parents should do for work, I agree with the principal analogy, but I do think that reality tv is a whole other ballgame.  

Having a mother on television, with the world watching, talking shit about your father, dancing on poles, in her bikini, drinking in excess, throwing wine in other people's faces and the best - getting naked with her new husband and having sex in a tub (!!!) is just really embarrassing.  Tamra's daughter is very sensitive and I think she just wants her mom off tv.  I do not blame her.  

I read some of the texts Tamra sent to Sydney and she is an absolute asshole.  She is not a good mother.  

 

3 hours ago, ryebread said:

One of the funniest/saddest examples of TammySue's terrible parenting was when Ryan showed her his 'Nugget' lip tattoo and she was morally distraught - crying and punching him.  This, while she was frolicking, drunk off her ass in a public fountain with Vicki.  Mother.of.the.Year.

"Show your pubes, babe!"  

Does anyone else remember her yelling this to Simon??  So gross.

3 hours ago, Duke2801 said:

This.  I am not doubting that Tamra is hurting over the situation with her daughter. But.  Her freak out seemed very put-on to me.  And her eyes were dry as a bone!

Tell-tale sign of the bullshit "crying."  Tamra is so full of it.

 

2 hours ago, PhilMarlowe2 said:

And, damn, Heather just had to go and remind me why I hate her so much. When she gets mean, she gets mean. If it had been me that she told to turn around, I would have sat directly across from her, stared at her and talked at her non-stop. She really is such a bitka.

Heather speaks to the women like they are her children.  She is mean and condescending.  

[HunterHunted]

7 hours ago, sasha206 said:

"Kelly Dodd, a golem made out of used Diva cups and a broken bride-to-be tiara from a hen party, is not funny."

Oh my, I love him so much!  

He is a treasure. While watching this episode, I kept imagining how Dame Moylan would describe her. I came up with these:

• Kelly Dodd is a tequila soaked monster who passed out in a brownfield and mutated into the Tequila Disaster.
• Kelly Dodd is a last minute Christmas present purchased in an antique shop on Christmas Eve with the instructions to not expose Kelly to bright lights or sunlight, don't get her wet, and to never ever give her alcohol.
• Kelly Dodd is what happens when an accident in a nuclear research facility fuses that gossipy nosy bitch in HR with a bottle of tequila, an issue of Cosmo, and a joke of the day calendar. 

Benevolent racism or prejudice is a thing. Associating certain groups with seemingly postive traits or behaviors is not a good thing because it can be used to shame, isolate, and disenfranchise members of those groups when they don't demonstrate those traits or behaviors or adhere to those stereotypes. We saw Kelly do that to Heather. The way it's framed is that Heather is the problem because she's an unfunny Jew. In another example, if you perceive that all Asians are good at math, you might view an Asian person who isn't good at math as being purposely defiant or lazy and ignoring that they might have skills or interests in another area.

Maybe Kelly didn't get that the nose flicking wasn't funny because she's Mexican. I'm going to have to take the side of the genetic and cultural authority on humor, Heather who is Jewish, and say that the nose flicking wasn't funny.

Edited October 11, 2016 by HunterHunted

[ElDosEquis]

29 minutes ago, Duke2801 said:

That baby is one tough critic - and still in utero! Imagine its opinions once it's born.

Wait until baby gets put into the corner.......you know the rest?

[psychoticstate]

1 hour ago, ghoulina said:

Yes! Yes, and MORE Yes! That is how you visit a foreign country. I notice a lot on these shows that the women do stuff they would do back home - shop, drink, fine dining, etc. Maybe it's because I'll never have the kind of money to travel like they do, but I actually LIKE the idea of staying in little Irish B&Bs and having my meals in a quaint tea shop. I want to learn as much as I can. I just think - what is the point of going somewhere new if you don't LEARN something??? Egads, they make me mad!

I am right there with you.  I thought the hotel Meghan (or production?) chose was stunning but I'd be okay with a little B&B as well or just an older hotel with history.  Not a chain.  And a big old YES for the tea shop.  THAT is what you do when you visit somewhere new and completely different (culturally, geographically, etc.) from where you live. 

I will say that I was happy to see them enjoying the Irish dancing, even if Vicki had to be Vicki and shout out comments on the dancer's ass.  Gah.

Honestly, I don't blame Heather for being upset about the store toss.  I would be mortified to be in this group.  They act like a bunch of ADHD afflicted school kids hyped up with sugar and caffeine on their sole field trip for the year.  Actually, I take that back.  The kids would act better.  The majority of these hos have zero class.

[psychoticstate]

24 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Here is a story about the Twitter war that ensued last night during the episode;  http://www.realitytea.com/2016/10/11/tamra-judge-kelly-dodd-react-accusations-ireland-plus-kelly-rehab/

Apologies if this has been pointed out but it was mentioned in the article @zoeysmom linked.  Regardless of how Heather and Terry financed their lot, WHY were Tamra and Kelly talking about the DuBrow finances to begin with??

[zoeysmom]

12 minutes ago, heatherchandler said:

I don't think kids should dictate what their parents should do for work, I agree with the principal analogy, but I do think that reality tv is a whole other ballgame.  

Having a mother on television, with the world watching, talking shit about your father, dancing on poles, in her bikini, drinking in excess, throwing wine in other people's faces and the best - getting naked with her new husband and having sex in a tub (!!!) is just really embarrassing.  Tamra's daughter is very sensitive and I think she just wants her mom off tv.  I do not blame her.  

I read some of the texts Tamra sent to Sydney and she is an absolute asshole.  She is not a good mother.  

 

"Show your pubes, babe!"  

Does anyone else remember her yelling this to Simon??  So gross.

Tell-tale sign of the bullshit "crying."  Tamra is so full of it.

 

Heather speaks to the women like they are her children.  She is mean and condescending.  

Sadly reality TV has become a profession for some of these folks.  Tamra's daughter should embrace the sympathy she receives from being Tamra's daughter.  Even some of the less aware RH have managed to convey to their children that a large part of what they do is just a job.  The exhibitionism Tamra is fond of was present before she was on TV so I think the kids have to accept the fact their mother likes to show off her body.  I don't think Tamra did her children any favors when she delivered the speech at the Women's Conference discussing her troubled youth and suicide attempts.  I think she overshared and that had to be difficult on Sydney-even more so than the strippers and bath tub scene. 

I agree Tamra was arguing with her daughter instead of listening.  One thing I try and refrain from is judging "good mother" vs "not good mother" because in Tamra's case I think it is the best she can be.  Much of Tamra's impulsive trashy behavior I think stems from her being sensitive.  I don't think Tamra has ever really taken time to think things through when it comes to life and now she is paying the price for her impulsive outbursts.  I think she is very insecure and she is somewhat envious of others' station in life and how she has to be around them on the show.

I also don't think Tamra is a very good actress but I do believe she does pull the crying and temper tampers at the drop of a hat because people let her get away with it.

The reality star and parenting is starting to show some blowback in the OC.  Last night on WWHL Vicki mentioned her son-in-law still lives in Oklahoma and is still an active duty marine.  I know Vicki needed Briana for a storyline but damn taking the kids away from their state side father was a pretty selfish act. 

[Bebecat]

I read the recaps (Erin go brawl) etc and have no desire to watch this episode. Housewives in other countries is just too scary, awful, disgusting and crass, always, no matter which land they are sullying. Kelly does not even exist for me. Icky still wins for the grossest person ever to come out of a RH series as she has been gross, crass, racist, an imbecile, rude, dense, slutty and stupid longer than anyone, so congrats, there Ick, keep it up. 

[ElDosEquis]

2 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Sadly reality TV has become a profession for some of these folks.  Tamra's daughter should embrace the sympathy she receives from being Tamra's daughter.  Even some of the less aware RH have managed to convey to their children that a large part of what they do is just a job.  The exhibitionism Tamra is fond of was present before she was on TV so I think the kids have to accept the fact their mother likes to show off her body.  I don't think Tamra did her children any favors when she delivered the speech at the Women's Conference discussing her troubled youth and suicide attempts.  I think she overshared and that had to be difficult on Sydney-even more so than the strippers and bath tub scene. 

I agree Tamra was arguing with her daughter instead of listening.  One thing I try and refrain from is judging "good mother" vs "not good mother" because in Tamra's case I think it is the best she can be.  Much of Tamra's impulsive trashy behavior I think stems from her being sensitive.  I don't think Tamra has ever really taken time to think things through when it comes to life and now she is paying the price for her impulsive outbursts.  I think she is very insecure and she is somewhat envious of others' station in life and how she has to be around them on the show.

I also don't think Tamra is a very good actress but I do believe she does pull the crying and temper tampers at the drop of a hat because people let her get away with it.

The reality star and parenting is starting to show some blowback in the OC.  Last night on WWHL Vicki mentioned her son-in-law still lives in Oklahoma and is still an active duty marine.  I know Vicki needed Briana for a storyline but damn taking the kids away from their state side father was a pretty selfish act. 

 

Me thinks that Gomer may have had his bid for a discharge denied maybe? Sgt. Carter isn't going to have any pangs of guilt and tell a Marine, you are hurt, go home and be with your wife and kids. His appearance on reality TV has probably rubbed a few people the wrong way.

To show you how regulated the Corps is?

They had an 'Armed Forces The Price is Right' and in order for the Marines to be on the show? They were NOT allowed to wear the name tags the contestants wear. Their CO said, 'Nope, not this time...not on OUR uniform...."

And was the Warthog allowed on the show to earn her FO paycheck?

I can only imagine the bitching, moaning and insufferable whining that the Warthog did to bicki while she was in OK.

wah wah wah people

wah wah wah friends

wah wah wah shopping

wah wah wah babysitter.

Her talking head singing the praises of the bickster's new squeeze was pretty funny.....You can tell that she mocks bicki every chance she gets.

[bichonblitz]

3 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

I hate Kelly, but I absolutely LOATHE Tamra.  Why do the women always have her back?  Kelly is right - she is a disgusting fucking liar!  She is the worst part of this show.  

I ask myself this every week! The two richest bitches (Heather and Shannon) who were born wealthy, adore simple white trash Tamra and claim to be buddies with her IRL. These two couldn't be more different from Tamra as far as lifestyle and upbringing goes. I do not get it.

As far as why Tamra stays on the show despite the fact that she embarrasses the shit out of her daughter is simple. Tamra and Eddie have no other income. Heather, Shannon and even Meghan and Kelly all married men with money. Eddie doesn't even work outside the gym anymore and never had money. How successful is that gym? Anybody know? Nobody ever talks about it anymore. As soon as she stops working on this show, the money dries up for Tams and Eddie. 

[zoeysmom]

1 hour ago, psychoticstate said:

Apologies if this has been pointed out but it was mentioned in the article @zoeysmom linked.  Regardless of how Heather and Terry financed their lot, WHY were Tamra and Kelly talking about the DuBrow finances to begin with??

According to Tamra at Vicki's birthday party Kelly was bad mouthing Heather and Tamra pointed out Heather had been a successful actress (amazing how many times people have to be reminded of Heather's acting career) and in fact bought the lot for their first mansion.  Kelly went on to dump on the Dubrows after Tamra made the claim. 

[Bebecat]

Btw...99.99% chance Icky sent herself flowers

[Ubiquitous]

17 hours ago, ivygirl said:

Dear Vicki, what kind of Christian force-feeds her friend booze so she (the forcer) can have fun... and then backs off when the consequences (Fightin' Tamra) come around?

Speaking of which, I noticed Vicki was doing that stupid chest-cross gesture during the fight.

7 hours ago, Pop Tart said:

I was not happy with the pressure to drink that was going on. First you had Vicki practically pouring the shots down Tamra's throat, then there was the collective "Heather" said in disapproving, disappointed tones, when she took a very small sip of the shot

I must be honest; I laughed at that scene when Heather took a small sip of her shot and the party music in the background slowly ground to a halt.

5 hours ago, ScoobieDoobs said:

Why is this show so obsessed with male strippers?  Do the producers think that's what viewers wanna regularly see?  Do they think women (particularly middle-aged women) are obsessed with male strippers?  Or is this shit coming from Satan Andy?  More ridiculous (misogynistic) assumptions about women, Satan Andy?  Really?  

There were male strippers? How did I miss that?

 

4 hours ago, ghoulina said:

She protested to Heather (who was trying to save the poor Irish bloke behind the bar) that she's "single", so she can do what she wants. I guess Vicki considers herself single if she's not married? Not co-habitating? What? I doubt she would like her creepy cop boyfriend to grind all over some woman on vacation. Not to mention, that is NOT how you dance to traditional Irish music. I'm not saying I've got any of it down pat, but Grandma-In-the-Club isn't how you do it.

Didn't someone say that bartender Vicki was grinding against was married?

[Sai]

3 minutes ago, Ubiquitous said:

Speaking of which, I noticed Vicki was doing that stupid chest-cross gesture during the fight.

I must be honest; I laughed at that scene when Heather took a small sip of her shot and the party music in the background slowly ground to a halt.

There were male strippers? How did I miss that?

 

Didn't someone say that bartender Vicki was grinding against was married?

It's not a "stupid chest-cross gesture".  It's the sign of the cross.  

[yourmomiseasy]

I think the point is it is stupid when Vicki does it because she's doesn't mean it and thinks it is just a cute mannerism.

[RHJunkie]

Just when I think that I can't dislike Kelly any more than I do, she goes and does another series of stupid things to surprise me. 

1. How can you honestly lecture your husband about his drinking with a straight faced when all of your 'you should get a punch to the face' moments have mostly stemmed from you being too drunk to have any lick of sense? 

2. The racial stereotypes and thinking she can't be racist because she's Mexican...I fear for society when I witness people who honestly think like this.

3. Kelly tries to qualify all of her out of line moments with explaining that she was angry. Anger doesn't justify saying and/or doing stupid things. If that's what you do when you're angry and you're quick to get angry, don't get mad at other people for upsetting you. Go fix yourself and get some anger management. You are the problem. 

4. Turning the entire situation into 'being bullied' because someone repeated a nasty thing you said about someone...well it's not really Shannon's fault and it wasn't said in confidence and you did say it about a friend of hers. There would be no issue if you were just a tad bit smart to not make the comment in the first place. Putting yourself in trouble and blaming others for it is weak, delusional...and just another one of those 'you deserve a punch to the face' moments I was talking about earlier. 

I don't waste my time feeling bad for anyone who doesn't think to learn from their mistakes but instead expects everyone else to take it on the chin for their sake because it's easier than dealing with crazy.

[WireWrap]

Kelly really doesn't get it, she really has no idea about honest self reflection, HONEST being the key word here. http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county/season-11/blogs/kelly-dodd/kelly-dodd-the-whole-experience

[Grneyedldy]

4 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

Why am I picturing Kelly in a Hannibal Lecter get up being wheeled in before the reunion?

This was discussed in the last thread and I posted a pic of Hannibal. Great minds and all that :-)

[politichick]

Heather and Shannon are clearly slumming with this group although they each probably genuinely care for the others. That's why Tamara and sometimes Vicky tease Heather about her "fancy pants" ways. I suspect that Terry convinced her to do the show primarily to help him build his brand but she's not used to this floozy behavior. And who cares if they financed the new house. They are making good money from these shows and Terry's medical practice to pay for the mortgage and building the house and can save the millions they've already got for a rainy day.

I love it when she tells them to take things down a notch or gets mad when they go over the top as they did in the pub and the shop after. Their behavior is embarrassing and would be even worse if she didn't try to reign them in. Vickie was disgusting the way she was trying to get everyone drink a million shots, something she'll never convince Heather to do in a million years. As you can tell, I am a Heather fan and I love her wardrobe.

Shannon probably joined this motley crew to have something fun to do outside the home since the girls need her less and clearly her marriage was at a tense stage when she started filming. 

The only people who need to be on this show for money are Tamara and Eddie, but hopefully their gym is successful and they bought a nice but not extravagant house. I also doubt that she shops where Shannon and Heather shop.

Kelly is a sicko and she better hope that when Michael sees her scenes he doesn't divorce her for all of the terrible things she says. And talk about the pot calling the kettle black. He may get a bit annoying when he's had too much, but she gets fucking psycho.

Vicki is a bad friend, though, and totally abandoned the asshole Kelly even after she started the whole thing complaining about the nose flicking. She put on her jacket and left the pub, the dozy cow.

[Natalie68]

1 minute ago, Grneyedldy said:

This was discussed in the last thread and I posted a pic of Hannibal. Great minds and all that :-)

HA!  Sorry I missed it.  Andy, take note.  For the safety of all.  

[Natalie68]

3 minutes ago, politichick said:

Heather and Shannon are clearly slumming with this group although they each probably genuinely care for the others. That's why Tamara and sometimes Vicky tease Heather about her "fancy pants" ways. I suspect that Terry convinced her to do the show primarily to help him build his brand but she's not used to this floozy behavior. And who cares if they financed the new house. They are making good money from these shows and Terry's medical practice to pay for the mortgage and building the house and can save the millions they've already got for a rainy day.

I love it when she tells them to take things down a notch or gets mad when they go over the top as they did in the pub and the shop after. Their behavior is embarrassing and would be even worse if she didn't try to reign them in. Vickie was disgusting the way she was trying to get everyone drink a million shots, something she'll never convince Heather to do in a million years. As you can tell, I am a Heather fan and I love her wardrobe.

Shannon probably joined this motley crew to have something fun to do outside the home since the girls need her less and clearly her marriage was at a tense stage when she started filming. 

The only people who need to be on this show for money are Tamara and Eddie, but hopefully their gym is successful and they bought a nice but not extravagant house. I also doubt that she shops where Shannon and Heather shop.

Kelly is a sicko and she better hope that when Michael sees her scenes he doesn't divorce her for all of the terrible things she says. And talk about the pot calling the kettle black. He may get a bit annoying when he's had too much, but she gets fucking psycho.

Vicki is a bad friend, though, and totally abandoned the asshole Kelly even after she started the whole thing complaining about the nose flicking. She put on her jacket and left the pub, the dozy cow.

I think Vicki and Kelly need the coin from this show as well.  We know from the Gunvelson divorce she wasn't rich like she said (upper middle class but greatly depended on this salary, was also mortgaged to the hilt) and Kelly's money is Michael's money.  She sounds like she can't fight him dollar for dollar to divorce and well, after this season on air he seems slightly less unhinged so he may get custody.  

I think Vicki's Prada shoes were picked up at a swap meet and not true Prada and the Maserati has to be a lease.  She can't sell her house despite trying several times.  How many times has she redecorated it?  At least 2x that I remember.  I think she is hanging on by a thread because while she makes decent money on this show she seems to spend it all (and her savings per the divorce papers was much smaller than it would seem like it should be).  She had to have Don live with her for awhile as well.  

This could be wishful thinking.  I sooo think she needs to spend a couple of years eating ramen and living in a studio apt under some college kids.  Only because I would enjoy her downsizing.

I have seen too many people living life like nothing will ever change and then one illness/accident/bad economy hits and they have nothing.  Just because you have it today doesn't mean you will tomorrow.  A lesson I don't see V learning.  Cause she's the OG of the OC!

[WireWrap]

13 minutes ago, politichick said:

Heather and Shannon are clearly slumming with this group although they each probably genuinely care for the others. That's why Tamara and sometimes Vicky tease Heather about her "fancy pants" ways. I suspect that Terry convinced her to do the show primarily to help him build his brand but she's not used to this floozy behavior. And who cares if they financed the new house. They are making good money from these shows and Terry's medical practice to pay for the mortgage and building the house and can save the millions they've already got for a rainy day.

I love it when she tells them to take things down a notch or gets mad when they go over the top as they did in the pub and the shop after. Their behavior is embarrassing and would be even worse if she didn't try to reign them in. Vickie was disgusting the way she was trying to get everyone drink a million shots, something she'll never convince Heather to do in a million years. As you can tell, I am a Heather fan and I love her wardrobe.

Shannon probably joined this motley crew to have something fun to do outside the home since the girls need her less and clearly her marriage was at a tense stage when she started filming. 

The only people who need to be on this show for money are Tamara and Eddie, but hopefully their gym is successful and they bought a nice but not extravagant house. I also doubt that she shops where Shannon and Heather shop.

Kelly is a sicko and she better hope that when Michael sees her scenes he doesn't divorce her for all of the terrible things she says. And talk about the pot calling the kettle black. He may get a bit annoying when he's had too much, but she gets fucking psycho.

Vicki is a bad friend, though, and totally abandoned the asshole Kelly even after she started the whole thing complaining about the nose flicking. She put on her jacket and left the pub, the dozy cow.

Strangely, this was about the plot of land their last home was built on, not the current 1. Also, both plots were bought well before Kelly joined the show. The Dubrow's first home (the one in question) was bought, built before the Dubrow's even joined the show themselves, and then sold before Shannon joined, let alone Kelly. In fact, this latest plot of land was bought after they sold their old home, 2, almost 3 years before Kelly joined this season. There is no way that someone brought this up to Kelly out of the blue without Kelly first asking about it/the Dubrow's financials to begin with IMO.

[zoeysmom]

Kelly wrote a blog. . . sigh.  http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county/season-11/blogs/kelly-dodd/kelly-dodd-the-whole-experience

[WireWrap]

1 minute ago, zoeysmom said:

Kelly wrote a blog. . . sigh.  http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county/season-11/blogs/kelly-dodd/kelly-dodd-the-whole-experience

Zero accountability, excuse after excuse for her own bad/nasty/crazy behavior, always the poor, poor victim! She really is NUTS!

[bravofan27]

I'm so excited to watch this episode! 

First, yes, the flowers were probably sent by Vicki. Her weird look was, "Oh shit, Steve is going to see this and it will look weird." 

Shannon's shirt was hysterical. She is so funny in such a granny type of way. She's like one of those, "my grandma parties too much" ladies I used to watch on daytime talk shows like Jenny Jones or Sally Jesse Raphael. She knows she is ridiculous and has fun with it. She has that super stiff posture where she sort of walks with her arms stiff and extended. She's just so funny to me.

Vicki can look really great, or really bad. At the bar, she looks really bad. She's also pretty much ignoring Kelly and trying to party it up with Tamra. I think that pissed Kelly off, she looked a little annoyed when Vicki was spoon feeding Tamra liquor in her baby voice. 

The Genealogist scene was sweet in theory. I think that it's natural to be interested in your heritage, especially after have a baby. Although, I feel the genealogist is more a psychic-- he's just telling her shit, I don't think any of it is true. lol! Probably 1/2 the country was shot out there. 

The nose flick was annoying. Vicki was pretty annoyed. I think the nose flick really just brought out everyone's dislike for Kelly. I didn't see why Heather needed to get involved and say how unfunny it was and then lecture her. Kelly is definitely at the top of the pecking order. Heather was being a total bitch to her, and unfortunately, Kelly had to make a dumb comment about Jewish people. Then attack Tamra. It's not about the nose flick, it's about people just not liking Kelly. And yes, Vicki dropped her as soon as she realized that she was back in with Tamra. 

Kelly's comment was flat out mean and way below the belt. Of course, Heather is just too ready to blame Kelly for getting kicked out of the store (instead of Tamra who really caused it). I just can't stand how much of a mean girl Heather can become to stay friends with Tamra. That said, the fact that Kelly pretended to feel bad for Tamra when she confided in her about her child and then threw it in her face the first time she got mad. 

Kelly saying that about her daughter seals her fate as a one-hit wonder. We will never see her on another season. Tamra will hold a grudge her entire life. Alexis and her husband went to church with Simon and man, Tamra hated that bitch after that. 

[HunterHunted]

19 hours ago, yourmomiseasy said:

 

15 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

 

Vicki force feeding Tamra alcohol reminded me of gavage, which is the forcible feeding of ducks to make foie gras. I was like damn Vicki do you want Tamra to party with you today or are you planning on eating her liver in a month.

Off topic: now that Bravo is knocking off (cheater brand) other shows Yours, Mine, or Ours is clearly a Bravo approximation of Love it or List it, I would love a Bravo version of 4 Weddings with just housewives. We have 1 housewife from each franchise who has to plan their version of a fun outing and the others vote on who had the best event. The winner gets $10,000 to give to a charity that is not Kill All Cancer. Vicki's drunken woohooing made me wonder what LVP would think of it.