S08.E23: Reunion Part 3

[Celia Rubenstein]

18 minutes ago, izabella said:

Funny you should mention that, because I could have sworn I heard Lu ask at the very, very end, "Now who's coming out to dinner?"

That should show you all right there how fake all this is and that there is nothing to freak out about. This show is just a job to these women. I think they skim these boards and giggle at out the outrage while they toast their own shenanigans with pinot grigio and Skinny Girl watermelon margaritas and LOLOL 

 

2 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Bethenny ran off Kristen ...

Huh? How? When? 

I thought Kristen left because the audience found her boring as hell and her marriage was falling apart. How is that Bethenny's fault?

Oh that's right, everything is Bethenny's fault, lol

[ryebread]

13 minutes ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

I thought Kristen left because the audience found her boring as hell and her marriage was falling apart. How is that Bethenny's fault?

Oh that's right, everything is Bethenny's fault, lol

Yeah, Kristen was boring but Beth treated her badly.  IIRC, didn't Beth make fun of Kristen's nail polish business to Carole and then Carole went running to Kristen to tell her all about it.  Then Kristen confronted Beth, (bad move, grasshopper) and Beth ignored her.  Like, totally turned on her heel and left?  There were other things, too, but Beth is a bitch to everyone, sooner or later.  Mark my words, Radzi.

As far as Beth running Kristen off, I don't know about that.  Alls I know is, Beth's personality is so...so...abrasive (and I'm being kind) that if I found myself working with someone like her, I'd run off, too. 

[zoeysmom]

31 minutes ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

That should show you all right there how fake all this is and that there is nothing to freak out about. This show is just a job to these women. I think they skim these boards and giggle at out the outrage while they toast their own shenanigans with pinot grigio and Skinny Girl watermelon margaritas and LOLOL 

 

Huh? How? When? 

I thought Kristen left because the audience found her boring as hell and her marriage was falling apart. How is that Bethenny's fault?

Oh that's right, everything is Bethenny's fault, lol

Bethenny treated Kristen poorly initially refusing to invite her to a filmed event, refused to go to Kristen's night out.  She walked off when Kristen wanted to discuss what was bothering her about her Pop of Color product and know-it-all Bethenny weighing in and criticizing her business strategy.  Heather and Kristen knew the writing was on the wall as far as what they had to look forward to the next season.

BTW I did think Kristen was boring but she was really never given much of a chance to show her personality-the one time Bethenny seemed to relate to her is when she dumped a bucket of water on Ramona's head.   It was also nice of Bethenny to remind Kristen to remove the ice cubes from the water.  

[Natalie68]

On 9/15/2016 at 6:22 AM, QuinnM said:

Except that at the end of the hour Lu admitted that she 'had bad information' which I guess is Lu speak for she lied and she apologized to Bethenny.  The point she didn't take the bait on was that she kept Tom's identity from Sonja and Ramona because it was new and she wanted a week or so before she talked about it.  Which is EXACTLY what Carole said when Lu started that fight last year.  So that's Countess rules.  Also Countess rules are that you talk over EVERYONE'S answer to questions from Andy.  You don't ever shut up.  I don't know if it was the edit monkey's but until Ramona shusshed her like the little child she was acting, she just didn't hut up.  If I cared enough I would have yelled at the tv STFU and let someone, anyone answer other than you.

And THIS is why B took the time to confirm ALL the deets about Tom's dalliance with the clutcher.  She wanted to be certain so she didn't show her ass like Lu with bad intel.  If you are going to accuse someone of something you'd BEST have your ducks in a row or you look pathetic.  PI 101.

If she had told Dorinda first would the info be conveyed correctly?  Would she have been accused of not telling Lu directly? Would SHE have said anything?  If she had told at the beginning of the trip she would have been accused of ruining it for Lu.  She waited and now its how dare you sit on this.  I do agree she should not have told R or S.  Telling Carol I can see because they are friends and she needed to bounce off her the do I or don't I tell issue.  Frankly I think the pics should have just appeared on Page 6 during filming and let THAT be the story.  

I think everyone knew who B, R, S were on this show and nothing they have done or do is surprising.  I think the more seasons we get the more the real Lu comes out and it is nothing like the Countess persona.  Oh she can PLAY classy, but that is not the true Lu.  The true Lu is a woman who doesn't seem to have many scruples and it seems, based on Rey and Tom, will sleep with just about anything.  The longer we see Dorinda she shows herself as a shit stirring sloppy drunk who may or may not do blow.  

[Natalie68]

On 9/15/2016 at 9:01 AM, motorcitymom65 said:

Not picking on this post, but I've read this a lot (more last week). Why does the fact that Lu was such a raging bitch to Carole make people happy? Carole was happy for Lu. She was happier than almost anyone else. Lu said this herself. In one of the segments that got cut (it's on the Bravo site), Lu said that the gift that Carole gave to her at the pre-engagement party is kept on her bedside table because it is exquisite and she loves it. Carole forgave Lu. She was better to Lu about Tom than either Ramona or Sonja, yet for some reason Lu was so incredibly nasty to Carole. After the way that Lu treated Carole last year, was forgiven for it, and then continued to treat her at the reunion, I just don't get why anyone thinks it is so fab. 

Before B came back to the show the HWs were also this dismissive to Alex.  They were awful to her that year.  So this is why I have zero sympathy for Lu.  You get what you give.  Which is why B is feeling the heat.  I don't think Carole deserves this ire from any of them.  So she prefers the company of B.  Who cares?  Maybe she's a little boring (or a lot!) but it gave us all a break from the screaming meamies.

On 9/15/2016 at 9:27 AM, Ellee said:

I've got an hour.....wanna meet up at the Regency?

I still can't believe they are fighting over THIS!  Clooney sure.  But this average dude of questionable wealth who has not shown to be faithful and is a bit of a man whore?  Not getting it.  And I like me a bald dude!

[Cherrio]

15 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

 The true Lu is a woman who doesn't seem to have many scruples and it seems, based on Rey and Tom, will sleep with just about anything.  The longer we see Dorinda she shows herself as a shit stirring sloppy drunk who may or may not do blow.  

Yep

[Celia Rubenstein]

3 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Bethenny treated Kristen poorly initially refusing to invite her to a filmed event, refused to go to Kristen's night out.  She walked off when Kristen wanted to discuss what was bothering her about her Pop of Color product and know-it-all Bethenny weighing in and criticizing her business strategy.  Heather and Kristen knew the writing was on the wall as far as what they had to look forward to the next season.

They skip each other's events and leave people off the guest list all the time. If that's all it took to "run Kristen off the show" she was way too delicate a dew drop to be a Real Housewife in the first place and had no business on the show. But I don't actually think that had anything to do with her leaving, quite honestly.  Her life was unravelling. I think that is why she left. 

I personally laughed my ass off (as did many others) when Bethenny walked away from Kristin and refused to be a part of her little staged confrontation scene. It was preposterous.  Maybe that did have something to do with why she left because it showed she was completely out of her league on this show.  But I think the reality is she opted to depart because her husband was humiliating her both on and off the show and THAT was the writing she saw on the wall. It had nothing to do with Beth. No way his shitty treatment of her not going to be a huge topic. I don't blame her for wanting no part of it. 

I have to giggle at the idea Heather was run off by Bethenny. I think she'd kick your ass for even suggesting such a thing, lol. Heather was a tough lady and could hold her own, against Beth or anybody else. Problem was that toughness didn't play well for her business and she wasn't about to risk harming her brand over the show. She didn't need this mess and she walked, plain and simple. Far from being run off by Beth, I think she probably regretted leaving before she had the chance to put Bethenny in her place. It was  just the smart thing to do.

[Tara Ariano]

In case you missed it, here's the Previously.TV post on the episode!

The Real Housewives of New York City Reunion Part III: The Big-ish One

Find out where LuAnn and Tom's relationship stands (as if you don’t already know) in the finale of RHONYC's Season 8 finale.

[ElDosEquis]

50 minutes ago, njbchlover said:

See - that is one of the things I really like about Luann.  She, for the most part, is willing to move on from the arguing and fighting.  She apologized to Bethenny for putting out the wrong information regarding Bethenny's relationship, and she is willing to forgive the horrible way Bethenny treated her and the nasty things Bethenny screamed at her (I don't know if I could forgive and forget that easily over that situation).  

Is it because she needs a paycheck, or is it because she is the type to just get over it and move on?  Either way, whatever the reason, she is reasonable and mature.

Bethenny, on the other hand, wouldn't give an inch - she owed Luann a much better apology than the half-assed one she threw Luann in the Berkshires, and it wasn't forthcoming.  Saying that she has her own opinion, and won't apologize for that is childish.  It's okay to have an opinion, but it's not okay to scream it from the rooftops in a tawdry way.  Bethenny could have apologized in a way that would come across as sincere, while still holding on to her opinions.  All Bethenny had to say was "I'm sorry that I snapped and called you such nasty names."  Simple and to the point.

Bethenny is such a narcissist that she will NEVER admit that she is wrong or that she did anything wrong.  She needs to realize this now, otherwise, she is going to be a very lonely woman as she gets older.  

One measure of a REAL PERSON is how they interact with other people.

I have to chuckle at the wave of support for the kind of twattery she exhibits towards other folks.

The people who don't find anything wrong with her are the kind of folks that would run around - like their hair was on fucking fire - if she pulled the same kind of shit on them?

Real adults will view a situation and if they have some conflicting view, don't feel the need to blurt out some vile, cruel and stupid comment at that moment.

There is nothing redeeming about 'not having a filter' - It just means that you don't have any manners or thought process - and you are going to come off looking like an idiot.

Her half-assed apologies are just an indicator of how she feels about anyone around her - Putting a feud to rest with an honest-to-god apology is beyond her - she runs on the fumes of her hatred and disrespect for people.

People laugh at the Countess for PRETENDING she has class.

That is light years away from any claim of class that Methenny believes she has.

Her and her beard sat back and watched her FUCKWHOREDOLLSLUT attack on Lulu and laughed about it?

I can hardly wait to see the results of her hooking up with that asshole she is dating. I want to feel sorry for him - but, No....I hope he gets her fuckery full force.

And I mean full force, because he seems like the kind of guy that deserves it.

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

1 hour ago, njbchlover said:

See - that is one of the things I really like about Luann.  She, for the most part, is willing to move on from the arguing and fighting.  She apologized to Bethenny for putting out the wrong information regarding Bethenny's relationship, and she is willing to forgive the horrible way Bethenny treated her and the nasty things Bethenny screamed at her (I don't know if I could forgive and forget that easily over that situation).  

Is it because she needs a paycheck, or is it because she is the type to just get over it and move on?  Either way, whatever the reason, she is reasonable and mature.

 

Agree on Lu precisely! Luann with that Euro infusion  is chic and she is c'est la vie. Onward to enjoying the life she's got que sera sera. I like watching it.

49 minutes ago, ryebread said:

Yeah, Kristen was boring but Beth treated her badly.  IIRC, didn't Beth make fun of Kristen's nail polish business to Carole and then Carole went running to Kristen to tell her all about it.  Then Kristen confronted Beth, (bad move, grasshopper) and Beth ignored her.  Like, totally turned on her heel and left?  There were other things, too, but Beth is a bitch to everyone, sooner or later.  Mark my words, Radzi.

 

Exactly. Radzi will get hers eventually. Bethenny lived with Jill for crying out loud and look how that ended. 

Next Season Beth will haul out her mother for ratings....And when there is nothing left she will go for Andy oh yeah she will. Imagine the fame and attention she will get to knock down his house of cards publicly. She has signed iron clad confidentiality agreements sure... but Andy Cohen may want to watch how she is blasting the the Bethenny Frankel/Jason Hoppy confidentiality agreements and getting her side in. It'll come Andy! 

[motorcitymom65]

18 minutes ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

They skip each other's events and leave people off the guest list all the time. If that's all it took to "run Kristen off the show" she was way too delicate a dew drop to be a Real Housewife in the first place and had no business on the show. But I don't actually think that had anything to do with her leaving, quite honestly.  Her life was unravelling. I think that is why she left. 

I personally laughed my ass off (as did many others) when Bethenny walked away from Kristin and refused to be a part of her little staged confrontation scene. It was preposterous.  Maybe that did have something to do with why she left because it showed she was completely out of her league on this show.  But I think the reality is she opted to depart because her husband was humiliating her both on and off the show and THAT was the writing she saw on the wall. It had nothing to do with Beth. No way his shitty treatment of her not going to be a huge topic. I don't blame her for wanting no part of it. 

I have to giggle at the idea Heather was run off by Bethenny. I think she'd kick your ass for even suggesting such a thing, lol. Heather was a tough lady and could hold her own, against Beth or anybody else. Problem was that toughness didn't play well for her business and she wasn't about to risk harming her brand over the show. She didn't need this mess and she walked, plain and simple. Far from being run off by Beth, I think she probably regretted leaving before she had the chance to put Bethenny in her place. It was  just the smart thing to do.

Someone made the assertion to Heather on Twitter that they hated Beth because she ran Heather off. Heather said that was ricidulous and that she and Beth are friends. She said she left because she had a lot going on and no time for the show. If anyone follows her on Twitter, the girl is busy with lots of stuff, but especially No Barriers. She does keep in touch with Ramona and Sonja, at least via Twitter, because she sometimes sends them Tweets - same with Beth and of course Carole. Not sure that I've seen much between Dorinda or Lu. I could see her coming back if she finds herself less busy, as she still seems friendly with most of the cast. 

Regarding Kristen, I always assumed she didn't return because it was verified that her husband was a d-bag and she didn't want to have to go through the whole thing on TV. 

[Cherrio]

17 minutes ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

Luann with that Euro infusion  is chic and she is c'est la vie.

I think considering the new accusations (drugs) she changed the lyrics to say bong, say bong.

[Yours Truly]

I guess I can appreciate a woman who can somewhat manage her scrupleless existence with some semblances of truces and peace offerings, restraint and discretion. Awareness and conscientiousness. Look Lu ain't perfect. Lu's done her share of insert bad behavior here but at the end of the day she is not coming for anyone's livelihood, family or children. She's a flawed woman about town who interacts with people the way she interacts with them. Take it, leave it, roll your eyes about it whatever but I would take her shifting balancing act instead of the haphazard way Beth, Carole and Ramona operate and Sonja to a certain degree. The claws are always their first option. Carole is condescending to the umpeeeenth degree. Do I consider that worse that Lu superiority complex. Hell yeah I do cause the way Lu behavior speaks on what level she see's HERSELF (and yes I understand what the implication is regarding her rating herself to others) but STILL. I've taken Lu's pretentiousness as how she feels others aren't better than HER and not so much that she feels she's better than them. She holds herself in high regard and some translate as her looking down on others. Maybe she does have a placement structure in her mind that she uses as guide (most likely to ease her own early insecurities about how to manuever within the social circles herself) but I've always taken that side of her with a grain of salt. Putting on airs among others in a social circle who are also doing their share of hob nobbing and posturing to me isn't the worse atrocity. Now with Carole her CONDESCENSION is way worse. Hers is based on how she feels about you in a deeper sense as if she's some big whoop of a person who rates this authority over the people she comes in contact with. Her displeasure comes with jabs, implications over someone's intelligence, integrity, what kind of soul a person has and the kicker is. She uses superficial details to make these determinations. Just because she doesn't like someone or I'll go as far a someone being mean to her that doesn't automatically mean it's time to squint the eyes and start questioning certain qualities of a person just because you have a conflict with them.

This is why I despise Carole. If she's got some beef with you her method of attack is off focus. She doesn't deal with issue she attacks the person with insults about who she feels they are, whatever label she feels is appropriate use and some in depth critical analysis of what they are ultimately "about" overall. She goes for their character. Huh? What? Over a disagreement? Carole goes straight for the undermining, deliberate degrading dig and to add insult to injury she tries to repackage it as just some factual observation instead of her opinion. An opinion based on a hair up her has she may have with the other person. You have a qualm with someone fine, whatever. Hell I think Carole has had her share of justifiable aggravations with a few of her foes. No doubt. But it's her method of attack and evasive way she tries to settle scores. It's evident on twitter when her MO is to go after commenters with her lashes out that reeks of being superior to a dumb downed race of tweeters. I think Carole is way worse with her superior UNDERSTANDING of the Universe. How she's never the butt of a joke while she recognizes all of the rest us as the puns she believes WE are. Like come on.

Beth's method is cruel, brutal nastiness. Plain and simple. Tell you what I don't know where this new fangle concept of fake being soooooooo much worse than the train wreck, mean spirited, morally reprehensible mentalities of the Beths in this world but Holy Moly Lord deliver me from this backwards logic. What the fuck is wrong with making nice? Or at least reeling in the crazy so that there isn't carnage littered all over New York? Geez Louise and this bullshit that somehow it's a better way to live or it's doing people favors? Just another excuse to indulge in it for the real reason..... People get pleasure out of fucking with other people. Not holding back. Having their say. Being heard. Not being drained with extra burden of considering other people.

Yeah, Lu may have her flaws but one thing she attempts to do even if she doesn't always succeed is to nip bad energy, bad juju and bad vibes in the bud. Her methods not the best all the time but overall. Lu isn't trying to let today's bad weather be a factor in her sunny day next week. If she needs to wave it away as unimportant because she isn't being met halfway then she'll do it that way or if it does get squashed through mutual understanding even better. But regardless of how  it happens one thing for certain Lu ain't got no time for that and sunny days are waiting for her. Whether or not anyone of her foes cares to join her is neither here nor there with her and she's sure as hell not plotting revenge day in and day out, whether consciously or subconsciously. And THAT is why I like Lu. Not cause she's some perfect person with no flaws but because she doesn't really live in regret. She's doesn't let it hinder her tomorrow and she sure as hell ain't gonna let anyone else dictate to her how she should be handling the rest of her life or make her feel bad about choices she's made that she's either happy with, come to terms with or made peace with.

SHE. MOVES. FORWARD.

Edited September 16, 2016 by Yours Truly

[QuinnM]

Quote

SHE. MOVES. FORWARD.
 

And I think she steps on people like they are bugs.  She can't even say she's sorry without someone dictating how to do it.  Steamrolling is moving forward as well.  I just don't care for her.

[Yours Truly]

2 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

And I think she steps on people like they are bugs.  She can't even say she's sorry without someone dictating how to do it.  Steamrolling is moving forward as well.  I just don't care for her.

My thing is if someone like Lu can "steamroll" anyone then there's a mirror that needs looking into.

LOL.

[Celia Rubenstein]

That would work if you hold the mirror up over your shoulder so you can see who is sneaking up behind you.  Because that is how Luann operates, stealth-like, behind people's backs. 

She's a snake. 

[Ellee]

I know, I know....and I'm getting $1.5 mil for this.  

[Yours Truly]

16 minutes ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

That would work if you hold the mirror up over your shoulder so you can see who is sneaking up behind you.  Because that is how Luann operates, stealth-like, behind people's backs. 

She's a snake. 

I've never seen that portrayed on the show.

Her flaws seemed to come across rather well. We've got a lot of material. I just don't see a constant underhanded theme in all of that tho.

Point Blank unlikeable actions? Sure. I'm just not seeing machiavellian in much of any of her "offenses" over the seasons. I mean the fortuneteller thing maybe (which I don't agree was this heinous act). But other than that it's pretty much been bad behavior, bad approaches, and annoying stuff.

<shrug>

Edited September 16, 2016 by Yours Truly

[janie2002]

JUst fyi I saw on Instagram Heather is climbing Kilimanjaro... I think she can handle Betheny

[janie2002]

16 minutes ago, Ellee said:

I know, I know....and I'm getting $1.5 mil for this.  

When Romona does this, get in your face to either laugh or scream I wish someone just plopped her on the forehead. Get of my space crazy eyes!

15 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

I've never seen that portrayed on the show.

Her flaws seemed to come across rather well. We've got a lot of material. I just don't see a constant underhanded theme in all of that tho.

Point Blank unlikeable actions? Sure. I'm just not seeing machiavellian in much of any of her "offenses" over the season. I mean the fortuneteller thing maybe (which I don't agree was this heinous act). But other than that it's pretty much been bad behavior, bad approaches, and annoying stuff.

<shrug>

I agree I think Luann isn't smart enough to be stealth like. LVP, yes. Luann nope she can't even argue with out getting flustered.

[ZaldamoWilder]

21 hours ago, NYCNJbear06 said:

I live in NYC and over the years I have ran into a couple of the housewives:

·         Dorinda and John – this was during her first year as a HW. Really nice both of them actually. She was very talkative and pleasant.  My impression was of a genuinely decent woman.

·         Sonja – A HOT MESS! This was about 3 or 4 years ago.  She came to a gala, stalked the red carpet. Snuck in the event without paying or getting a comp (I know for a fact) I spoke with her and she was definitely on something.  A lil loopy slightly incoherent. I got the impression it was something other than liquor. She also had a case of body odor – like her deodorant had worn off. But definitely working her Grey gardens/SATC Samantha Jones old cougar thing persona.

·         Bethenny – This was about 5 years ago. She was actually nice. A lil extra and trying too hard to prove she was down with the people but she treated the staff respectfully.

·         Carole – at a fashion event and very personable. I didn’t get the feeling of putting on airs or anything, was nice to people.

·         Luann – ahhh LU LU… I have encountered Luann on 3 different occasions.  Each time a tad tipsy. Very much an air of superiority. At one event she asked where the bathroom was and when I told her the closest bathroom was at the other end of the venue because the closer bathroom was not accessible for guests she looked me up and down rolled her eyes and mumbled something to the effect of “I can use whatever bathroom I want”.

Yes baby! this is how you join a board, put out the good china and start serving tea!    Welcome outta lurkdom neighbor.  

20 hours ago, ElDosEquis said:

Again, Jill ZAAAArin is the reason I am married today.

Be nice to her.

speaking of tea lol  {{handsunderchin}} if there's anything more you'd like to share, I could use a sweet love story around here.

18 hours ago, WireWrap said:

LOL All roads lead back to Ramona! LOL She played Bethenny against the others to secure her Apple! LOL

The day this cake jabbing heifer pulls off her first face, I'm gonna need all of youse {{panoramicroompoint}} to go down to the Citibank and get my I Told You So certified money order together.   Sittin up in here spending all this blood pressure on Beth, when the real Keyser Soze is this quiet voice bitch here.    Think I'm playing, we haven't seen Mario's girlfriend in a minute.  Check mona's crawl space. 

1 hour ago, ryebread said:

Yeah, Kristen was boring but Beth treated her badly.  IIRC, didn't Beth make fun of Kristen's nail polish business to Carole and then Carole went running to Kristen to tell her all about it.  Then Kristen confronted Beth, (bad move, grasshopper) and Beth ignored her.  Like, totally turned on her heel and left?  There were other things, too, but Beth is a bitch to everyone, sooner or later.  Mark my words, Radzi.

As far as Beth running Kristen off, I don't know about that.  Alls I know is, Beth's personality is so...so...abrasive (and I'm being kind) that if I found myself working with someone like her, I'd run off, too. 

Enjoyed catching up for pages and pages.   Wasn't gone say shit because I couldn't think of one original thought ya'll hadn't already covered for my delicious consumption.  But I feel like (™ Housewifery) the invocation of  Sweet headscarf Brown?  Damn you girl, I had work to do today.   {{shrug}} I've been hearting comments that oppose each other for pages and I'm mad at ya'll about it.

Apropos of nothing, my dude and I are supposedly from the same generation and we're 12 years apart (he's the Goodfella, I'm the Godfather).   Since I'm fine as fuck neither of us ever really thinks to bring it up.  But I was thinking maybe it caught Carole off guard because she thinks she and Jules are similar in ways that she and Adam are, for whatever reason and it legit isn't something she remembers unless reminded.  And she's never been reminded lol.   But if you're not bothered by something, don't continue to act bothered.   Get off Twitter Mrs. Ingalls.

It wouldn't be #PettyFridays unless I brought this up:  during this episode, at the end of one of many moments about Tom, somebody (Beth?) said at least it wasn't as bad as the Pirate.   Lu said (ya'll I can't even finish typing without giggling) yeah, that was pretty bad.   Show of hands for the we don't know for sure she slept with him camp - what's so bad about nothing happening? 

[pbutler111]

21 hours ago, WireWrap said:

I agree, this what "generation" a HW was born in is ridiculous but it is 1 that Carole, herself, started. She was upset that Jules made "age/menopause" comments when Jules was calling them out on their "weight" comments to her all season. Yes, Jules did make a few "menopausal" behavior comments early in the season but the how much does she weigh/eat comments directed at/to Jules from Bethenny and Carole happen for most of the entire season, not just 2 or 3 comments but a couple dozen. I don't think Carole was being vain when she said she/Jules were the same generation, IMO, she was being defensive.

Jules told the women at the start of the season that she's upfront about her eating disorder because she wants people to call her on her behavior, which will help in her recovery.  However, any time anyone's done that, she's gone berserk on them and started whining about how insensitive people are and how she almost died.  On the other hand, I don't recall any of the women saying, "If anyone sees me aging, please call me on that behavior so I can get that in check."  

[Celia Rubenstein]

11 minutes ago, janie2002 said:

I agree I think Luann isn't smart enough to be stealth like. LVP, yes. Luann nope she can't even argue with out getting flustered.

Luann is stupid, I agree.  And she can't handle face-to-face confrontation. I think she is used to people melting at her feet due to her good looks and three-pack a day voice, which I guess passes for sexy in her crowd.  But when anyone has anything to say back to her, she just falls apart.  

But I stand by my assertion that she is a stealthy bitch.  We've already covered her shenanigans with the psychic in Morocco, so no need to get into that again.  But have people forgotten how she did quietly interfered in Jill and Bethenny's relationship a few seasons ago and made sure they didn't reconcile?  More recently she shown she's a pro at starting rumors about herself so she can blame them on Bethenny.  But I don't want to draw the thread any more off topic so if anyone else wants to defend Luann's sterling character, maybe they should mosey over to her thread for that.

11 minutes ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

The day this cake jabbing heifer pulls off her first face, I'm gonna need all of youse {{panoramicroompoint}} to go down to the Citibank and get my I Told You So certified money order together.   Sittin up in here spending all this blood pressure on Beth, when the real Keyser Soze is this quiet voice bitch here.    Think I'm playing, we haven't seen Mario's girlfriend in a minute.  Check mona's crawl space. 

How did Ramona get away with this Tipsy ho-bag thing whatever it was called, scheme of hers?  It was in the damn papers!  She gets away with EVERYTHING .... she just sails along flinging glasses in people's faces and screwing with their children and nobody does a thing.  She doesn't even bother to BE stealth, she just shanks you right in the belly and laughs.  And people think Bethenny is evil, lol.  People talk about her like she is a cross between Charles Manson and Stalin because she crass and self-involved, but I don't think I've ever seen her slice someone's lip open for getting her hair wet.  That's some psycho shit, right there.  Straight-up dangerous. Bethenny can't hold a candle to Ramona's brand of crazy.  Yet she is all people can talk about.  I don't get it.  Is she really that interesting?  I just don't see it.

[WireWrap]

2 minutes ago, pbutler111 said:

Jules told the women at the start of the season that she's upfront about her eating disorder because she wants people to call her on her behavior, which will help in her recovery.  However, any time anyone's done that, she's gone berserk on them and started whining about how insensitive people are and how she almost died.  On the other hand, I don't recall any of the women saying, "If anyone sees me aging, please call me on that behavior so I can get that in check."  

Bethenny made Jules ED about herself, not about Jules, "I just can't, she reminds me too much of my mother", ect.. Neither Bethenny or Carole ever went to Jules and said "Are you alright? I am/We are worried about you", instead it was constant snide, nasty, rude remarks, most of the time behind her back, about the amount of food she puts out at an event, that they never see her eat, guessing how much she weighs, on and on and the couple of times they did speak directly to her, it was not constructive, it was done to mock her. For someone who claims she was so "affected/hurt" by someone else having an ED, Bethenny sure had little (really NO) compassion for someone else fighting it. 

Jules 2 or 3 aging/menopause comments were about their Jr HS behavior/mentality, not about their physical age but about their emotional behavior age, or lack of therein. Both Bethenny and Carole have made "aging" comments about the others as well, so Carole can spare me her faux upset that Jules made them. LOL

[Yours Truly]

32 minutes ago, pbutler111 said:

Jules told the women at the start of the season that she's upfront about her eating disorder because she wants people to call her on her behavior, which will help in her recovery.  However, any time anyone's done that, she's gone berserk on them and started whining about how insensitive people are and how she almost died.  On the other hand, I don't recall any of the women saying, "If anyone sees me aging, please call me on that behavior so I can get that in check."  

In what world does being open about something like ED translate into. Handle it in any ole' way ya please? Is there some reason that Jules shouldn't have expected any gentleness when addressed about it? I don't think she meant that they could look at her like she cray, cray and give her looks like she done fell from the sky. Its funny how Jules opening that door means she can't complain about someone's lack of basic decency over a condition that's life threatening. It was a gracious move and yet Jules is the one who's wrong? And not the hags that decided there was no place for tactic regarding such a topic??? Color me confused.

Edited September 16, 2016 by Yours Truly

[Yours Truly]

9 minutes ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

Luann is stupid, I agree.  And she can't handle face-to-face confrontation. I think she is used to people melting at her feet due to her good looks and three-pack a day voice, which I guess passes for sexy in her crowd.  But when anyone has anything to say back to her, she just falls apart.  

But I stand by my assertion that she is a stealthy bitch.  We've already covered her shenanigans with the psychic in Morocco, so no need to get into that again.  But have people forgotten how she did quietly interfered in Jill and Bethenny's relationship a few seasons ago and made sure they didn't reconcile?  More recently she shown she's a pro at starting rumors about herself so she can blame them on Bethenny.  But I don't want to draw the thread any more off topic so if anyone else wants to defend Luann's sterling character, maybe they should mosey over to her thread for that.

How did Ramona get away with this Tipsy ho-bag thing whatever it was called, scheme of hers?  It was in the damn papers!  She gets away with EVERYTHING .... she just sails along flinging glasses in people's faces and screwing with their children and nobody does a thing.  She doesn't even bother to BE stealth, she just shanks you right in the belly and laughs.  And people think Bethenny is evil, lol.  People talk about her like she is a cross between Charles Manson and Stalin because she crass and self-involved, but I don't think I've ever seen her slice someone's lip open for getting her hair wet.  That's some psycho shit, right there.  Straight-up dangerous. Bethenny can't hold a candle to Ramona's brand of crazy.  Yet she is all people can talk about.  I don't get it.  Is she really that interesting?  I just don't see it.

She didn't do it quietly. She just walked in and pulled Jill out of the room. That wasn't stealth. It was bad move but not stealth. It was an in the moment decision she made to butt in where she shouldn't have. No premeditation just stupid action.

There's just this really funny and obnoxious thing the woman on the show do that somehow morphs Lu's bad behavior into something more than it really is. Which is stupid, annoying behavior compounded by bad, misguided and misjudged actions.

[izabella]

10 minutes ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

How did Ramona get away with this Tipsy ho-bag thing whatever it was called, scheme of hers?  It was in the damn papers!  She gets away with EVERYTHING .... she just sails along flinging glasses in people's faces and screwing with their children and nobody does a thing.  She doesn't even bother to BE stealth, she just shanks you right in the belly and laughs.  And people think Bethenny is evil, lol.  People talk about her like she is a cross between Charles Manson and Stalin because she crass and self-involved, but I don't think I've ever seen her slice someone's lip open for getting her hair wet.  That's some psycho shit, right there.  Straight-up dangerous. Bethenny can't hold a candle to Ramona's brand of crazy.  Yet she is all people can talk about.  I don't get it.  Is she really that interesting?  I just don't see it.

I completely agree with you about Ramona.  Every season, my hate for her grows and grows and grows.  I cannot stand that smarmy smirk she puts on, I can't stand how she shit-stirs and always gets away with it, and I cannot understand how and why she is so untouchable that she never gets called out in a major way.   And I see few redeeming qualities.

I have been wishing she'd get dumped from this show for years.  Years, I tell you!

[Natalie68]

22 hours ago, NYCNJbear06 said:

I live in NYC and over the years I have ran into a couple of the housewives:

·         Dorinda and John – this was during her first year as a HW. Really nice both of them actually. She was very talkative and pleasant.  My impression was of a genuinely decent woman.

·         Sonja – A HOT MESS! This was about 3 or 4 years ago.  She came to a gala, stalked the red carpet. Snuck in the event without paying or getting a comp (I know for a fact) I spoke with her and she was definitely on something.  A lil loopy slightly incoherent. I got the impression it was something other than liquor. She also had a case of body odor – like her deodorant had worn off. But definitely working her Grey gardens/SATC Samantha Jones old cougar thing persona.

·         Bethenny – This was about 5 years ago. She was actually nice. A lil extra and trying too hard to prove she was down with the people but she treated the staff respectfully.

·         Carole – at a fashion event and very personable. I didn’t get the feeling of putting on airs or anything, was nice to people.

·         Luann – ahhh LU LU… I have encountered Luann on 3 different occasions.  Each time a tad tipsy. Very much an air of superiority. At one event she asked where the bathroom was and when I told her the closest bathroom was at the other end of the venue because the closer bathroom was not accessible for guests she looked me up and down rolled her eyes and mumbled something to the effect of “I can use whatever bathroom I want”.

Why does none of this surprise me one bit?  Thanks for the personal encounter info.

[shoegal]

3 hours ago, njbchlover said:

Bethenny is such a narcissist that she will NEVER admit that she is wrong or that she did anything wrong.  She needs to realize this now, otherwise, she is going to be a very lonely woman as she gets older.  

I just don't see this, Bethenny pretty much always admits that she acts terrible.  She did it in the Berkshires, she did it regarding what happened with Sonja, I mean, she did it at the reunion when Andy told her she was acting hostile.....her response was "OK".  This was during the discussion where the yelling, slurring, gesticulating, berating Dorinda Meddler tried to protest that she doesn't brow beat anyone!!  LOL

I don't see Bethenny as someone who can NEVER admit she is wrong or did anything wrong, I think Bethenny is very in tune with her faults and will readily and openly admit them.  Whether she can or has tried to change them is a different story....but admitting them?  I feel like she's got that part down pat. 

[Yours Truly]

8 minutes ago, shoegal said:

I just don't see this, Bethenny pretty much always admits that she acts terrible.  She did it in the Berkshires, she did it regarding what happened with Sonja, I mean, she did it at the reunion when Andy told her she was acting hostile.....her response was "OK".  This was during the discussion where the yelling, slurring, gesticulating, berating Dorinda Meddler tried to protest that she doesn't brow beat anyone!!  LOL

I don't see Bethenny as someone who can NEVER admit she is wrong or did anything wrong, I think Bethenny is very in tune with her faults and will readily and openly admit them.  Whether she can or has tried to change them is a different story....but admitting them?  I feel like she's got that part down pat. 

Okay she admits it.

But she either embraces it as "being real"

Packages it as "telling the truth"

Dissects it in order to pull the "they made me do it" move

"Reflects" for 2 seconds before shrugging it off and going on about her day

She has to admit it so that she can then justify it in one of her many Beth ways.

So yeah, okay Beth admits it.

She still sucks. BIG TIME.

Edited September 16, 2016 by Yours Truly

[Jel]

13 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Bethenny made Jules ED about herself, not about Jules, "I just can't, she reminds me too much of my mother", ect.. Neither Bethenny or Carole ever went to Jules and said "Are you alright? I am/We are worried about you", instead it was constant snide, nasty, rude remarks, most of the time behind her back, about the amount of food she puts out at an event, that they never see her eat, guessing how much she weighs, on and on and the couple of times they did speak directly to her, it was not constructive, it was done to mock her. For someone who claims she was so "affected/hurt" by someone else having an ED, Bethenny sure had little (really NO) compassion for someone else fighting it. 

Jules 2 or 3 aging/menopause comments were about their Jr HS behavior/mentality, not about their physical age but about their emotional behavior age, or lack of therein. Both Bethenny and Carole have made "aging" comments about the others as well, so Carole can spare me her faux upset that Jules made them. LOL

Bethenny's reaction to Jules and her ED was tactless and abrasive. Quelle surprise and shame on her. But at the same time, doesn't Bethenny have a right to her own experiences? She said Jules reminded her of her mom, shrug, I don't see how that was making it all about her, more like "sharing".  

Jules said a couple of snotty things and then regretted it and stopped doing it, like a grown up. Good for her. I'm going to miss her on the show, didn't love her at first, but by the end I liked her a lot.

[shoegal]

52 minutes ago, pbutler111 said:

Jules told the women at the start of the season that she's upfront about her eating disorder because she wants people to call her on her behavior, which will help in her recovery.  However, any time anyone's done that, she's gone berserk on them and started whining about how insensitive people are and how she almost died.  On the other hand, I don't recall any of the women saying, "If anyone sees me aging, please call me on that behavior so I can get that in check."  

Amen.  THIS!!!!  Yes, please.  Thank you. 

[Celia Rubenstein]

17 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

She didn't do it quietly. She just walked in and pulled Jill out of the room. That wasn't stealth. It was bad move but not stealth. It was an in the moment decision she made to butt in where she shouldn't have. No premeditation just stupid action.

Are you kidding? Luann did everything she could to come between them up to and after that "in the moment decision."  She finally had an ally in Jill and she wasn't about to let Bethenny steal her away.  It was all people could talk about.  You don't remember this?  

I don't want to piss off the mods by getting into this any more in the show thread.  This really belongs in Luann's thread.  If you want to post about it again, you should really do it there.

[zoeysmom]

16 minutes ago, izabella said:

I completely agree with you about Ramona.  Every season, my hate for her grows and grows and grows.  I cannot stand that smarmy smirk she puts on, I can't stand how she shit-stirs and always gets away with it, and I cannot understand how and why she is so untouchable that she never gets called out in a major way.   And I see few redeeming qualities.

I have been wishing she'd get dumped from this show for years.  Years, I tell you!

This season she created the wedge between Bethenny and Sonja with her Tipsy Girl tattling and out and out fake proclamations of "that is a little too close", made an ass out of herself several times with Dorinda and John, at the bra party she just sat there with her goofy, fake sincere look and repeated gossip, of course all Bethenny could say is you should more angry with me than her.  She embellished stories about Luann, made up a romance that was longer over before it began to make it seems as if Luann stole Tom away from her and then did a dramatic exit citing girl code and continued to bring it up at the Reunion.  Called Sonja and drunk and said that was the reason Bethenny didn't invite her to he birthday party.  Made an ass out of herself claiming Luann "re-gifted".  If you said you liked the prototype (the one made with cheap materials that scratched her delicate skin) and Luann has one made for you it is no way a "re-gift" or the repeat of a gift.  Luann didn't owe Ramona a gift for showing up at her show.  Ramona had to run with it.

Waltzing out of dinners and parties to go on a date.  Attending the Bethenny conferences and misconstruing others' statements.

Since the Jill Luann thing has been mentioned, it was Ramona who set up the meeting without telling Jill  Bethenny was coming.  It certainly wasn't Luann's fault it blew up-maybe Ramona "I hate surprises", should have been more careful about surprising someone with the forced peace meeting.

[WireWrap]

20 minutes ago, shoegal said:

I just don't see this, Bethenny pretty much always admits that she acts terrible.  She did it in the Berkshires, she did it regarding what happened with Sonja, I mean, she did it at the reunion when Andy told her she was acting hostile.....her response was "OK".  This was during the discussion where the yelling, slurring, gesticulating, berating Dorinda Meddler tried to protest that she doesn't brow beat anyone!!  LOL

I don't see Bethenny as someone who can NEVER admit she is wrong or did anything wrong, I think Bethenny is very in tune with her faults and will readily and openly admit them.  Whether she can or has tried to change them is a different story....but admitting them?  I feel like she's got that part down pat. 

Yes, Bethenny does admit to her OTT nasty behavior. She is proud about her behavior and she makes zero effort to change her ways. But Heaven Forbid, anyone else should come at her as she does them...........they are out of line and have to be destroyed.

14 minutes ago, Jel said:

Bethenny's reaction to Jules and her ED was tactless and abrasive. Quelle surprise and shame on her. But at the same time, doesn't Bethenny have a right to her own experiences? She said Jules reminded her of her mom, shrug, I don't see how that was making it all about her, more like "sharing".  

Jules said a couple of snotty things and then regretted it and stopped doing it, like a grown up. Good for her. I'm going to miss her on the show, didn't love her at first, but by the end I liked her a lot.

Of course Bethenny is entitled to her opinion/feelings but she isn't entitled to treat Jules like garbage because of something her mother did and that is exactly what and why she treated Jules/ED like a joke all season. And, No, she didn't share her story about her mothers ED, she just kept claiming that Jules "reminded" her of her mother visually. Which translates to any woman in NYC that is very thin and has long dark hair is a threat to poor Bethenny's sanity! LOL

[zoeysmom]

8 minutes ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

Are you kidding? Luann did everything she could to come between them up to and after that "in the moment decision."  She finally had an ally in Jill and she wasn't about to let Bethenny steal her away.  It was all people could talk about.  You don't remember this?  

I don't want to piss off the mods by getting into this any more in the show thread.  This really belongs in Luann's thread.  If you want to post about it again, you should really do it there.

Luann was friends with Jill before Bethenny latched on.  It was Luann and Jill who were tennis partners, it was Luann who left Ramona's cooking party when she realized Ramona had left Jill out.  Jill and Luann are still friends.  Jill has said she was angry at Bethenny and she thought she was creating good TV by having a fight with Bethenny.  At no time was it ever about Luann preventing Bethenny-that is on Bethenny and Jill.  She was the one not returning Jill's calls and then showing up acting like some wounded little bird after telling Jill to get a hobby.  Somehow that became Luann's fault for listening to the message.

This entire thread has been consumed with the Carole age comments and that was clearly in the last episode.

[HunterHunted]

1 hour ago, janie2002 said:

I agree I think Luann isn't smart enough to be stealth like. LVP, yes. Luann nope she can't even argue with out getting flustered.

LuAnn tries to be sneaky and stealth, but she doesn't have the discipline and fortitude intellectually or constitutionally to pull it off. Just compare and contrast the difference between Bethenny outting Tom's cheating and LuAnn's attempt to come for Bethenny and Dennis. Bethenny had dates, times, witnesses. Girl had receipts. LuAnn tries to brand Dennis and Bethenny as cheaters and has one person's story. Girl bye. She should have had paparazzi pictures. Pictures from events with Bethenny and the wife to refute Bethenny's claim that she's never really met the wife. 

Or her season 5 storyline that she and Jacques were trying to have a kid. LuAnn's own mother outed that story as a straight up lie at the season 5 Bravo premiere party.

Her dalliance with the pirate is another time where LuAnn's pathetic attempts to be sneaky burned her. If you're trying to be sneaky don't bring him to the house, don't try to cover it up while on camera, and don't try to cover it up by speaking french which is a language you know that the show has accurately subtitled in the past and that your boyfriend actually speaks.

I don't think she has any idea about bad she is at this. She's kind of a lazy dumbass when it comes to sneaky shit stirring. She should just own it, be brash and charming and just toss gossip grenades and stroll along.

[Yours Truly]

28 minutes ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

Are you kidding? Luann did everything she could to come between them up to and after that "in the moment decision."  She finally had an ally in Jill and she wasn't about to let Bethenny steal her away.  It was all people could talk about.  You don't remember this?  

I don't want to piss off the mods by getting into this any more in the show thread.  This really belongs in Luann's thread.  If you want to post about it again, you should really do it there.

No thanks.

Battling "friendships" doesn't ping my mustache twisting radar.

Was it all "uncool" of Lu? Maybe but yeah. I'm good.

19 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

This season she created the wedge between Bethenny and Sonja with her Tipsy Girl tattling and out and out fake proclamations of "that is a little too close", made an ass out of herself several times with Dorinda and John, at the bra party she just sat there with her goofy, fake sincere look and repeated gossip, of course all Bethenny could say is you should more angry with me than her.  She embellished stories about Luann, made up a romance that was longer over before it began to make it seems as if Luann stole Tom away from her and then did a dramatic exit citing girl code and continued to bring it up at the Reunion.  Called Sonja and drunk and said that was the reason Bethenny didn't invite her to he birthday party.  Made an ass out of herself claiming Luann "re-gifted".  If you said you liked the prototype (the one made with cheap materials that scratched her delicate skin) and Luann has one made for you it is no way a "re-gift" or the repeat of a gift.  Luann didn't owe Ramona a gift for showing up at her show.  Ramona had to run with it.

Waltzing out of dinners and parties to go on a date.  Attending the Bethenny conferences and misconstruing others' statements.

Since the Jill Luann thing has been mentioned, it was Ramona who set up the meeting without telling Jill  Bethenny was coming.  It certainly wasn't Luann's fault it blew up-maybe Ramona "I hate surprises", should have been more careful about surprising someone with the forced peace meeting.

Thank you!

Edited September 16, 2016 by Yours Truly

[zoeysmom]

34 minutes ago, shoegal said:

I just don't see this, Bethenny pretty much always admits that she acts terrible.  She did it in the Berkshires, she did it regarding what happened with Sonja, I mean, she did it at the reunion when Andy told her she was acting hostile.....her response was "OK".  This was during the discussion where the yelling, slurring, gesticulating, berating Dorinda Meddler tried to protest that she doesn't brow beat anyone!!  LOL

I don't see Bethenny as someone who can NEVER admit she is wrong or did anything wrong, I think Bethenny is very in tune with her faults and will readily and openly admit them.  Whether she can or has tried to change them is a different story....but admitting them?  I feel like she's got that part down pat. 

The key is to stop acting horrible.  Not to repeat the same behavior over and over again. 

Bethenny justifies her faults, a far cry from owning them.  She wears them like a crown and dares others to knock it off her head. 

[Yours Truly]

This is my thing with people in general.

People do what they do. You either like it, don't like it. Address it, mull over it for a bit. Make determinations and then decide... Deal with it or don't. This whole holding people's feet over the fire about this that and the other is just ridiculous. I'm all about serve and return and when the match is over let it be fucking over and if enemies were forged during the game then fucking return to your designated corners and regroup before the next encounter. Decide to either play nice or not at all. This whole bullshit dance they do regarding Lu is stupid. There are choices that can be made. Courses of actions that can be taken WITHIN the perimeters of what their JOBS entail. All this but, but but Lu was mean to me waaaaaaahhhhh. But Lu is so annoying waaaaaahhhhhh, I can't be in the same room with her.. waaaaahhhhhh. The constant baggering. It's like beyond the pale. It's ridiculous. Plain and simple. Oh and the whole angle of trying to portray this unforgivable, horrendous side of Lu by the cast  thats meant to justify Caroles and Beths ghastly and over the top reactions to the woman is totally totally mind numbing and simple. Like low IQ simple.

So that's why I can't get on board with the full steam ahead charge at Lu by these women and mainly Beth and Carole. NO. TRUE. BASIS. WHATSOEVER.

There are plenty of people I don't like that I have to deal with. WHOREFUCKSLUTDOLL isn't the way I manage that discomfort.

And no being on a reality show doesn't explain it all away.

Edited September 16, 2016 by Yours Truly

[Celia Rubenstein]

1 minute ago, HunterHunted said:

LuAnn tries to be sneaky and stealth, but she doesn't have the discipline and fortitude intellectually or constitutionally to pull it off. Just compare and contrast the difference between Bethenny outting Tom's cheating and LuAnn's attempt to come for Bethenny and Dennis. Bethenny had dates, times, witnesses. Girl had receipts. LuAnn tries to brand Dennis and Bethenny as cheaters and has one person's story. Girl bye. She should have had paparazzi pictures. Pictures from events with Bethenny and the wife to refute Bethenny's claim that she's never really met the wife. 

Or her season 5 storyline that she and Jacques were trying to have a kid. LuAnn's own mother outed that story as a straight up lie at the season 5 Bravo premiere party.

Her dalliance with the pirate is another time where LuAnn's pathetic attempts to be sneaky burned her. If you're trying to be sneaky don't bring him to the house, don't try to cover it up while on camera, and don't try to cover it up by speaking french which is a language you know that the show has accurately subtitled in the past and that your boyfriend actually speaks.

I don't think she has any idea about bad she is at this. She's kind of a lazy dumbass when it comes to sneaky shit stirring. She should just own it, be brash and charming and just toss gossip grenades and stroll along.

And this sums up Luann and her game up in a nutshell. She's stealthy but she's just so damn bad at it, I guess it doesn't even seem to some like that is what she is up to, lol.  Her lies are so easily exposed and her little escapades so quickly revealed it's hard to believe she was even really trying to get away with anything. 

That is part of the reason I think her whole Tom thing is a stunt for the show.  It has all the hallmarks of a typical Luann scheme - a dumb idea to get attention and save her apple, poorly planned and executed, with way too many loose ends and witnesses.  

Stay beautiful, Luann because if you have to depend on your brains to survive, you'll starve to death! 

 

16 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Luann was friends with Jill before Bethenny latched on.  It was Luann and Jill who were tennis partners, it was Luann who left Ramona's cooking party when she realized Ramona had left Jill out.  Jill and Luann are still friends.  Jill has said she was angry at Bethenny and she thought she was creating good TV by having a fight with Bethenny.  At no time was it ever about Luann preventing Bethenny-that is on Bethenny and Jill.  She was the one not returning Jill's calls and then showing up acting like some wounded little bird after telling Jill to get a hobby.  Somehow that became Luann's fault for listening to the message.

Bethenny latched on to Jill?  And came between her and Luann?  Not from what I remember. 

My recollection is that Jill had met Luann once and thought she would be a good fit for the "Manhattan Moms" show, so she recommended her.  They were not old friends.  Jill and Bethenny were most definitely the dynamic duo of the show right from the start.  It was never "Jill and Luann."   Lu left Ramona's cooking party because (as she put it) "why would I want to hang around all night with a bunch of WOMEN?"  It wasn't about standing up for Jill.  Once Jill turned green with envy about Bethenny getting her own show and came up with her ridiculous idea to have a feud with her, Luann went all in on becoming Jill's new sidekick and did everything she could to fan the flames of discontent and was actually willing to bodily separate them when it looked like they were finally going to sit down and hammer out their problems. If anyone was "latching onto Jill" it was Luann.  But, as explained in the post I quote above, Luann sucks at doing anything sneaky and everyone knew exactly what she was up to.  Thus she was christened the "Snake" by Bethenny and it has stuck to this day. 

It's actually an insult to self-respecting snakes everywhere, because they have much larger brains than Luann does.  And they are less slimy, lol. 

[ElDosEquis]

3 hours ago, QuinnM said:

And I think she steps on people like they are bugs.  She can't even say she's sorry without someone dictating how to do it.  Steamrolling is moving forward as well.  I just don't care for her.

I guess if you are stupid enough to see there is a Bomag headed for you and don't move out of the way?

You kinda deserve to get 'steamrolled'.

I feel for people who aren't smart enough to avoid danger?

[Yours Truly]

38 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

LuAnn tries to be sneaky and stealth, but she doesn't have the discipline and fortitude intellectually or constitutionally to pull it off. Just compare and contrast the difference between Bethenny outting Tom's cheating and LuAnn's attempt to come for Bethenny and Dennis. Bethenny had dates, times, witnesses. Girl had receipts. LuAnn tries to brand Dennis and Bethenny as cheaters and has one person's story. Girl bye. She should have had paparazzi pictures. Pictures from events with Bethenny and the wife to refute Bethenny's claim that she's never really met the wife. 

Or her season 5 storyline that she and Jacques were trying to have a kid. LuAnn's own mother outed that story as a straight up lie at the season 5 Bravo premiere party.

Her dalliance with the pirate is another time where LuAnn's pathetic attempts to be sneaky burned her. If you're trying to be sneaky don't bring him to the house, don't try to cover it up while on camera, and don't try to cover it up by speaking french which is a language you know that the show has accurately subtitled in the past and that your boyfriend actually speaks.

I don't think she has any idea about bad she is at this. She's kind of a lazy dumbass when it comes to sneaky shit stirring. She should just own it, be brash and charming and just toss gossip grenades and stroll along.

She's not sneaky.

She makes bad choices or mistakes and mishandles.

She doesn't wake up trying to destroy someone's life and she doesn't make it her life's work.

She's flawed, she's done bad things made mistakes and she's even tried to cover stuff up but it's in the moment.

Not drawn out, contemplated and she doesn't make such coordinated efforts to pounce.

Her crap is more organic than the rest. Reactions. More cause and effect than purposely conniving. This to me is human. This I can relate to.

Wanting to burn someone cause you don't like them? Because you have an axe to grind with them or a bone to pick so you go for the jugular in full force while using recon tactics? That's the person who I think is the true menace to society.

Not some overly confident, self pleased, raspy voiced harlot (and I say that in an endearing way, not to shame) with bad judgement and messy tendencies.

Worlds apart in my book.

[ElDosEquis]

21 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

This is my thing with people in general.

People do what they do. You either like it, don't like it. Address it, mull over it for a bit. Make determinations and then decide... Deal with it or don't. This whole holding people's feet over the fire about this that and the other is just ridiculous. I'm all about serve and return and when the match is over let it be fucking over and if enemies were forged during the game then fucking return to your designated corners and regroup before the next encounter. Decide to either play nice or not at all. This whole bullshit dance they do regarding Lu is stupid. There are choices that can be made. Courses of actions that can be taken WITHIN the perimeters of what their JOBS entail. All this but, but but Lu was mean to me waaaaaaahhhhh. But Lu is so annoying waaaaaahhhhhh, I can't be in the same room with her.. waaaaahhhhhh. The constant baggering. It's like beyond the pale. It's ridiculous. Plain and simple. Oh and the whole angle of trying to portray this unforgivable, horrendous side of Lu by the cast  thats meant to justify Caroles and Beths ghastly and over the top reactions to the woman is totally totally mind numbing and simple. Like low IQ simple.

So that's why I can't get on board with the full steam ahead charge at Lu by these women and mainly Beth and Carole. NO. TRUE. BASIS. WHATSOEVER.

There are plenty of people I don't like that I have to deal with. WHOREFUCKSLUTDOLL isn't the way I manage that discomfort.

And no being on a reality show doesn't explain it all away.

Forget tennis, I want you on my volleyball team.

There is nothing more satisfying than nailing a ball right at someone you don't like. Facial disgracial!!!!

Your metaphor is correct - If you don't understand the rules or just can't keep up with the game, sit the fuck out.

Don't waste my time being a dickwad and whining over every play - what was the line about if you can't run with the big dogs, sit your ass on the porch and watch...... 

[Yours Truly]

15 minutes ago, ElDosEquis said:

I guess if you are stupid enough to see there is a Bomag headed for you and don't move out of the way?

You kinda deserve to get 'steamrolled'.

I feel for people who aren't smart enough to avoid danger?

Love it!

My sentiments exactly.

And Lu doesn't exactly do cloak and dagger too well so I'm not getting the danger. LOL

It's like being afraid of not spotting a moving truck slowing backing up into you all the while having it beep beep beep the whole time AND watching it back up.

Edited September 16, 2016 by Yours Truly

[shoegal]

1 hour ago, HunterHunted said:

LuAnn tries to be sneaky and stealth, but she doesn't have the discipline and fortitude intellectually or constitutionally to pull it off. Just compare and contrast the difference between Bethenny outting Tom's cheating and LuAnn's attempt to come for Bethenny and Dennis. Bethenny had dates, times, witnesses. Girl had receipts. LuAnn tries to brand Dennis and Bethenny as cheaters and has one person's story. Girl bye. She should have had paparazzi pictures. Pictures from events with Bethenny and the wife to refute Bethenny's claim that she's never really met the wife. 

Or her season 5 storyline that she and Jacques were trying to have a kid. LuAnn's own mother outed that story as a straight up lie at the season 5 Bravo premiere party.

Her dalliance with the pirate is another time where LuAnn's pathetic attempts to be sneaky burned her. If you're trying to be sneaky don't bring him to the house, don't try to cover it up while on camera, and don't try to cover it up by speaking french which is a language you know that the show has accurately subtitled in the past and that your boyfriend actually speaks.

I don't think she has any idea about bad she is at this. She's kind of a lazy dumbass when it comes to sneaky shit stirring. She should just own it, be brash and charming and just toss gossip grenades and stroll along.

EXACTLY!!!! LuAnn's first instinct is to LIE and DENY.  I can't stand that shit.  Her response to Andy bringing up her saying she had an open marriage was to deny she ever said that, when she said it on the show multiple times and she saw herself say it on the show.  LuAnn is a fake ass phony trying to play Countess.  Daaaahhhling.   

[StatisticalOutlier]

On 9/15/2016 at 2:09 PM, mwell345 said:

Bethenny tweeted this (not in reply to Ramona) but in response to someone else:

"I don't double kiss & I don't fake hug."

Rats.  Just when I was thinking Bethenny has no redeeming characteristics whatsoever.

[ElDosEquis]

24 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

Love it!

My sentiments exactly.

And Lu doesn't exactly do cloak and dagger too well so I'm not getting the danger. LOL

It's like being afraid of not spotting a moving truck slowing backing up into you all the while having it beep beep beep the whole time AND watching it back up.

My favorite are the idjits who look at the truck, look at the sidewalk and then keep walking?

I was making a left onto a one way street yesterday when some moron decides to walk across the street - against a 'don't walk' signal.

I had the green light, so I waited until he was halfway across his trip and laid on the horn - He starts to yell at me and points to the signal that says "DON'T WALK" -  I laughed and pulled away, leaving the people on the curb looking at him and probably wondering why some fucking idiot decides to walk across the street against a very obvious sign not to?

Oh, the humanity.

[Celia Rubenstein]

28 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

She's not sneaky.

She makes bad choices or mistakes and mishandles.

She doesn't wake up trying to destroy someone's life and she doesn't make it her life's work.

She's flawed, she's done bad things made mistakes and she's even tried to cover stuff up but it's in the moment.

Not drawn out, contemplated and she doesn't make such coordinated efforts to pounce.

Her crap is more organic than the rest. Reactions. More cause and effect than purposely conniving. This to me is human. This I can relate to.

Wanting to burn someone cause you don't like them? Because you have an axe to grind with them or a bone to pick so you go for the jugular in full force while using recon tactics? That's the person who I think is the true menace to society.

Not some overly confident, self pleased, raspy voiced harlot (and I say that in an endearing way, not to shame) with bad judgement and messy tendencies.

Worlds apart in my book.

I'm not sure why Luann's flaws should be judged relative to those of Bethenny. It's not an either/or proposition and only one of them can be found to be imperfect.  They both are.  

I mean, sure Bethenny may be a jerk.  But that doesn't make Luann not one. 

[ElDosEquis]

3 hours ago, Yours Truly said:

I've never seen that portrayed on the show.

Her flaws seemed to come across rather well. We've got a lot of material. I just don't see a constant underhanded theme in all of that tho.

Point Blank unlikeable actions? Sure. I'm just not seeing machiavellian in much of any of her "offenses" over the seasons. I mean the fortuneteller thing maybe (which I don't agree was this heinous act). But other than that it's pretty much been bad behavior, bad approaches, and annoying stuff.

<shrug>

Actually?

We have seen more 'dirty laundry' from the women than we have from Ms BleedingUterusMyAssHurts.

Of course, we only get the info that might make us feel sorry for some asshole that has no common sense, courtesy and mocks people who at least try to pretend they have 'class'?