Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[louannems]

The Catholic villagers need hope!

[Missy Vixen]

13 hours ago, JoanArc said:

What? Like cell phones and the Internet? Or the total failure of the quiverful movement? Or evil married gay couples? Black presidents? Trans women? Reality TV that normailizes molestation?

 

I want to side-hug you SO BADLY right now.

And it's interesting that every moment of their lives has to be so Christian that they can't enjoy themselves even when they're "off".

[JoanArc]

A good review of the movie.

Imagine going on a date and watching this movie, stone cold sober. *wince*

[riverblue22]

I looked that gem up on IMDB.  One of the keywords they listed for the movie: "Christian propaganda."  Anytime DDD needs a date night movie, he can search that term and find something new to watch.

[NikSac]

On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 9:45 PM, Arwen Evenstar said:

The Dullards win the award for Most Boring Couple Ever!!!

I find it annoying there's nothing really snark-worthy to snark about here.

Lol you know is bad when all I could think of was that smoothie looked pretty tasty. 

[Lemur]

12 hours ago, JoanArc said:

A good review of the movie.

Imagine going on a date and watching this movie, stone cold sober. *wince*

If it's anything like the time my Nic Cage loving friend drug me to see Left Behind and I forgot my flask I can well imagine.  I'll be shuddering over in the corner.

[Clemgo3165]

Oof, a friend of mine wanted to see that movie because she loves Nic Cage and action flicks. She didn't know anything about the Left Behind series. Once I explained it to her she ran far, far away from that flick. Thank goodness.

[yogi2014L]

 

Anyone see Jill asking the internet to find Cathy's birthmom????

I find it really, really shitty of her to put Cathys bio mom ( who seems to be deceased - apparently the leghumpers can google while JillyMuffin can only tweet???) on blast. No consideration for Cathy's biological mom or her biological mom's family. SMDH. What if she had other children who didn't know that she had given up a kid for adoption? Now they find out on twitter...

[Arwen Evenstar]

3 hours ago, NikSac said:

Lol you know is bad when all I could think of was that smoothie looked pretty tasty. 

Oddly enough, I did too.  Seems the Dullards have graduated to plastic cups over throw away...how very classy.  Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand are the strategically placed pieces of fresh fruit an Internet FU to those who think they don't eat any fresh fruit?

Edited June 2, 2016 by Arwen Evenstar
Snarking on the Duggar train wreck is messing with my grammar and punctuation!

[Absolom]

Duggar lack of thought and consideration at its finest.  At Cathy's age if she'd wanted to find her bio mom herself she's had decades in which to do it.  Maybe she did and for her own reasons never told her sons.  Jill with the typical Duggar lack of tact publishes it because of some Gothard adoption hangup all while publicly stating a wish to adopt?  They have next to zero rational thought processes going on.

[Marigold]

The part about Izzy meeting his "ggma" is beyond idiotic.  It's so wrong to assume this woman wants to be found, wants the world to know and wants to be called great grandma and how would Cathy's adoptive mother feel about Izzy calling someone great grandma (if she is alive) or any of Cathy's adoptive family feel about that title?  

These are all personal, private and highly emotional details that should be worked out in private. 

Jill has the mind of a young teen. 

[Ljohnson1987]

Hey, Jilly.. If you want some media time... Get pregnant again. Stop tweeting personal information. I doubt that Cathy wants your help if she even wants to find her biological mother. Stay in your lane.

[Missy Vixen]

1 hour ago, Marigold said:

 

These are all personal, private and highly emotional details that should be worked out in private. 

Jill has the mind of a young teen. 

Jilly Muffin wants to get on "Who Do You Think You Are". It really doesn't matter if she exposes someone else's private life choices, does it? And snaps to Triple D for NOT sitting his child bride down and explaining to her exactly why something like this could cause problems within his family.

:eyeroll:

[Marigold]

Derick appears out of touch with reality. (perfect for a reality show!).  He probably doesn't process any of this like a normal man his age.  He is busy preaching, in broken Spanish, to 6 people who probably just want lunch.  

[JoanArc]

Jill, victim of family secret keeping, now wants to go nosing around in someone else's family? That's rich! Shitty way to use Izzy too.

Remember at the wedding when we were all hoping Cathy would expose Jill to the love her mother didn't give? Yeah, not happening now. Way to use people for your own d list fame, Jilly.

I kind of hope they find out the birth mom is something embarrassing for Jill, so she'd STFU about this kid of thing in the future. A prostitute, or devout Catholic, or something.

[Sew Sumi]

She died at about the age Cathy is now. You have to wonder if it was cancer. I don't know much about Find A Grave (assuming that's what this person used). It couldn't hurt to know that kind of family history. All Duggar descendants have a lot of cancer on both sides of the family tree, and we have Cathy on the Dullard side. If Joyce also had cancer, Izzy and his future siblings are pretty screwed. Don't forget heart disease coming down from Rick Dillard. Yikes.

[DangerousMinds]

I was adopted, and am sickened that Jill felt this was ok.

[Ljohnson1987]

Jill doesn't think about others. The J in JOY stands for Jill. Jill first, Others Second.

[Sew Sumi]

I am sure that Cathy put Jill on blast. She has mentioned wanting to find her birth parents, and Jill has hundreds of thousands of followers that will walk on broken glass for these people. 

This doesn't surprise me, and yes, I am also an adoptee. I would never allow this without my consent, and since Cathy was tagged, I think this was her idea.

[bigskygirl]

 I was they would interview Derick's stepfather about what really goes on behind the scenes because he does not seem to be a happy camper when it comes to the Duggars.

[toodles]

My kindle is finding its own quotes again.

I find Jill tweeting her mil personal information information beyond offensive.  And hiding behind her baby is the icing on the cake.

Giving a baby up for adoption is one of the most difficult decisions I can possibly imagine.  Especially so many years ago when  unwed mothers were publicly shunned and hidden away as a dirty secret.  

Derrick should be deeply ashamed of himself for allowing this to happen.  And you know he knew about this.  What kind of a person allows someone to do this to his mother.

The duggars have done some disgusting things in the past, but this is one of the very worst.  I was beyond enraged when I saw this.

I hope Jill's Twitter is on fire with ripping her a new asshole tweets.  There is no reason, no excuse and no explanation that makes this right.

Shame on the dillards,  They are truly disgusting people.  I hope that derrick' s mother can find it in heart to forgive them if only for her grandson's sake.  I know I would have to think long and hard before I could forgive.

Ok.  I need to stop now.

[Sew Sumi]

I think the blame here needs to be laid at Cathy Dillard Byrum's feet. She is ultimately the one who green-lighted this. 

[toodles]

If it's true that Cathy is behind this, then the dillards are even bigger idiots than I thought.  I didn't think that was possible.

[Sew Sumi]

Cathy had to give them the information in the first place, so yeah, she's behind this. I don't have kids, and I never had an interest in finding my birth parents, but that's a search you should do on your own, not rely on your famous DIL to blast out all this information all over the internet. I am curious how much of this information Derick had before this and if he's had this information for a while, what was he doing with it? It seems to me that Cathy probably just had a big "break" in her case, and went about the wrong way to do a search. 

Couldn't she have done a search for her on Ancestry.com? Privately? She had all the vital information to go on. 

[Arwen Evenstar]

Most people hire a private investigator. Privacy means nothing to these dillweeds

[JoanArc]

Derick could've known for years, and just been inspired by God to share it with his loving wife. We shouldn't assume it's all Cathy's idea. Jill is a tactless idiot, After all. They way she giggled her way through Cathy's cancer still runs me the wrong way.

[bigskygirl]

I can see seeking medical information after her cancer diagnosis. I know when I see a new health care provider they always want family medical history especially parents and siblings information.

[Sew Sumi]

If Derick and Jill had gone rogue, Jill wouldn't have tagged Cathy. Or maybe she would if she's just that stupid. 

I still lean towards this being Cathy's baby, using Jill's celebrity to her own ends. A lot  of adoptees really don't consider the ramifications on their birth parents in their excitement of digging up information.  My brother was like a bull in a china shop with the information he received. It happens. 

[JoanArc]

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I still lean towards this being Cathy's baby, using Jill's celebrity to her own ends.

It could be a plot line for season 2.

[Marigold]

19 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

It could be a plot line for season 2.

Cancer is expensive, even with health insurance. My mom died of cancer.  Maybe Cathy is open to a storyline for this reason?

No judgement. Just thinking aloud about why a storyline would be a good thing for Cathy. 

Or that the show needs some juice because it's a bit slow, yeah that too. 

[cmr2014]

It's possible that Cathy got the name from a board, and that her birth mother had put it out there at some point -- I think it would be unlikely that she could have gotten information about a sealed adoption.

[Micks Picks]

Oh but Cathy went to some anti-abortion event proclaiming that if abortion was legal when she was in the womb, she wouldn't be here.  Nasty damned thing to say about a woman who gave birth to her and allowed her to be adopted into a home prepared for a baby.  Unless, of course, she had already met her bio-mom and her bio=mom told her she wished abortion have been legal because she sure would have ditched the fetus that became Cathy.  Didn't happen.  Not cool at all to say such things at basically political rallies.  So since Cathy already trashed this woman, I guess Jill thinks she's just carry it on, and maybe create a storyline for a new season.  What they need is advertisers, btw, no matter what kind of stories they come up with.

Edited June 3, 2016 by Micks Picks

[riverblue22]

Cathy should find a friend who is a genealogist to help her out.  The information seems to be there. There is also stuff on Newspapers.com

Edited June 3, 2016 by riverblue22

[auntieminem]

I don't know who instigated what or why.  It may not be the best way to go about it even though I have seen stuff like that on FB before.  I would imagine it was Cathy wanting to find out.  She has talked about it a few times so it is something that bothers her.  Heck, she should have gotten on that TLC show where people connect with a birth parent or sibling.  

[GeeGolly]

Did anyone click on Cathy's twitter page? I had no idea how religiously preachy she is.

She also mentions being miraculously healed in her bio snippet.

[Churchhoney]

5 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Did anyone click on Cathy's twitter page? I had no idea how religiously preachy she is.

She also mentions being miraculously healed in her bio snippet.

Wonder if it's a new thing or if she's ramped it up significantly since the cancer. I knew her cancer was serious but I didn't realize the full extent until I just looked at her tweet about it:

"2 yrs ago today I learned the extent of my cancer. Stage 4 NHL, liver, spleen, all lymph & 87% of bone marrow. God healed me, I live for Him"

Coming back apparently fairly intact from something of that magnitude could really do a number on you.

As an atheist, though, I'm sorry that science and medicine had nothing to do with her cure. Great strides have been made -- by people -- in tackling these liquid cancers, and she was the beneficiary of that. When you get a solid tumor, you're still usually not so lucky if it isn't operable. Sometimes I think the most pernicious thing about this religion they have is that people are never responsible for anything, good or bad. It's either the devil making them do it or Jesus saving them from it. I would think that laziness, thoughtlessness and even some degree of moral lassitude pretty easily arise from that idea.

I suppose it's just natural human laziness and puny thinking that give rise to the idea in the first place, though. Seems to me as if it all comes from the lizard brain. No wonder they sit around on couches soaking up the heat from their heated floor all day.

Edited June 3, 2016 by Churchhoney

[Lemur]

The cynic in me (okay, me ... I don't think there's a part that isn't cynical anymore) can't help but wonder if she isn't monetizing this.  FB and Twitter pay you to post if you get a ton of likes and shares.  That's why you see all of those horrible, horrible pictures of sick or starving kids and stupid shit like "1 Like = 1 Prayer, 1 Share = 5 Prayers".  (These things are popular with radio stations too, except they prefer hot-button political issues.)  If that's the case, the only good thing I can say is that if Jill is like-farming, at least she isn't going to hack anyone's account and start selling fake sunglasses and handbags.

[MunichNark]

I seriously need to grow up. Driving to an appointment this morning, driving past the rather infamous P1 Nightclub here in Munich and spied this. Took a snap from my car.......

 

 

[BitterApple]

As much as I want to lay into Jill right now, I have a feeling Cathy was behind this. She always gave me the vibe that she was incredibly bitter over being given up for adoption. Putting her birth mother on blast may have been Cathy's way of humiliating her and her family. I just feel horribly for all the Joyce Perry's about to be harassed by the Duggar leghumpers. 

If Cathy's mother was born in 1925, she'd be what, 91 right now? I can't imagine dropping an atomic bomb on an elderly woman like that, especially if she's made no effort to reconnect with her child.

Edited June 3, 2016 by BitterApple

[DoctorWhovian]

I would be willing to place money on the adoption happening because it was a teenage pregnancy, and mom was "sent to go live with her aunt out of state" for a few months. And if this is the case, there's a very good chance that if the birth mom went on to have more children, they don't know (which is the case for a similar situation in my family).

Plus, how incredibly rude is it to say that Izzy wants to meet his great grandmother... when Cathy has a mother who adopted her, who is the great grandmother for all intents and purposes.

[Arwen Evenstar]

Looks like they want another preachy story to promote their anti abortion / anti birth control platform.

[Marigold]

58 minutes ago, DoctorWhovian said:

Plus, how incredibly rude is it to say that Izzy wants to meet his great grandmother... when Cathy has a mother who adopted her, who is the great grandmother for all intents and purposes.

I find that very very hurtful to Cathy's adoptive family. Especially so public. OUCH! 

[Churchhoney]

1 hour ago, DoctorWhovian said:

I would be willing to place money on the adoption happening because it was a teenage pregnancy, and mom was "sent to go live with her aunt out of state" for a few months. And if this is the case, there's a very good chance that if the birth mom went on to have more children, they don't know (which is the case for a similar situation in my family).

Plus, how incredibly rude is it to say that Izzy wants to meet his great grandmother... when Cathy has a mother who adopted her, who is the great grandmother for all intents and purposes.

Well, her presumed mom is 90 or 91 years old now, since she was apparently born in 1925. So it couldn't have been a teenage pregnancy unless Cathy is over 71 years old. I don't think she's anywhere near that, is she? Seems to me she's somewhere in her 50s or maybe 60ish .....

Edited June 3, 2016 by Churchhoney

[Arwen Evenstar]

2 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Well, her presumed mom is 90 or 91 years old now, since she was apparently born in 1925. So it couldn't have been a teenage pregnancy unless Cathy is over 71 years old. I don't think she's anywhere near that, is she? Seems to me she's somewhere in her 50s or maybe 60ish .....

If Cathy was born in 1952, she'd be 64 herself, putting her mother in her 80s. Born in 62, Cathy would be 54.

1925 doesn't make sense, 1952 might due to dyslexia.

[satrunrose]

4 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Well, her presumed mom is 90 or 91 years old now, since she was apparently born in 1925. So it couldn't have been a teenage pregnancy unless Cathy is over 71 years old. I don't think she's anywhere near that, is she? Seems to me she's somewhere in her 50s or maybe 60ish .....

So setting aside the somewhat atypical math (if Cathy is 55, this lady had her at 36 which doesn't seem like the usual scenario), if she's 91 what are the chances that she's a. still alive and b. with it enough that a meeting would be beneficial to anyone? 

Edited June 3, 2016 by satrunrose

[Churchhoney]

1 hour ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

If Cathy was born in 1952, she'd be 64 herself, putting her mother in her 80s. Born in 62, Cathy would be 54.

1925 doesn't make sense, 1952 might due to dyslexia.

Sorry. I should have made myself clearer. Somewhere up above, somebody gave the apparent date of Cathy's mother's  birth (as I think it appeared either in something Jill wrote or in something that someone posted to her that they'd found online). And that was 1925. If that date is accurate -- and the date that was posted was connected to the mother by name, not to Cathy -- then the mother would be 90 or 91. If Cathy's mother is indeed 90 or 91, then she couldn't have had Cathy via teenage pregnancy, as someone above suggested. Because I'm quite sure that Cathy's younger than 71. That's all I was saying.

ETA: It was in Jill's tweet, which gave what they apparently believe is the woman's name and birth date:Please help us find @cldilla birth mom. Anyone know Joyce Perry (DOB 12/9/1925)? Previously in TX, OK & PA. Israel would love 2 meet ggma!

Edited June 3, 2016 by Churchhoney

[Churchhoney]

1 hour ago, satrunrose said:

So setting aside the somewhat atypical math (if Cathy is 55, this lady had her at 36 which doesn't seem like the usual scenario), if she's 91 what are the chances that she's a. still alive and b with it enough that a meeting would be beneficial to anyone? 

Exactly.

And while that age of mother wouldn't be the scenario we most often think of, it's obviously not unheard of either. A woman who was widowed or divorced or abandoned mid-pregnancy, a woman pregnant out of wedlock or from rape or as the result of an affair, a family who were struggling in grinding poverty with the children they had already might all have given a baby up for adoption. The idea of dredging up one of those sad scenarios for some 90-year-old is kind of sickening, seems to me. Perhaps even worse for her than if she'd had the child when she was a teen. She may well have kept it secret from many other people in her life, too, since the 50s and early 60s weren't all that forgiving an era for those doing stuff outside the norm (or what "polite society" pretended was the norm).

Edited June 3, 2016 by Churchhoney

[GeeGolly]

20 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

Sorry. I should have made myself clearer. Somewhere up above, somebody gave the apparent date of Cathy's mother's  birth (as I think it appeared either in something Jill wrote or in something that someone posted to her that they'd found online). And that was 1925. If that date is accurate -- and the date that was posted was connected to the mother by name, not to Cathy -- then the mother would be 90 or 91. If Cathy's mother is indeed 90 or 91, then she couldn't have had Cathy via teenage pregnancy, as someone above suggested. Because I'm quite sure that Cathy's younger than 71. That's all I was saying.

ETA: It was in Jill's tweet, which gave what they apparently believe is the woman's name and birth date:Please help us find @cldilla birth mom. Anyone know Joyce Perry (DOB 12/9/1925)? Previously in TX, OK & PA. Israel would love 2 meet ggma!

Below is a quote from an article dated 2014. So if the article is correct, Miss Cathy would be 58 or 59.

"Derick's own father, Rick Dillard, died at age 51 in 2008, and his mom, Cathy, now 57, has been battling cancer." 

[Arwen Evenstar]

1 hour ago, Churchhoney said:

Sorry. I should have made myself clearer. Somewhere up above, somebody gave the apparent date of Cathy's mother's  birth (as I think it appeared either in something Jill wrote or in something that someone posted to her that they'd found online). And that was 1925. If that date is accurate -- and the date that was posted was connected to the mother by name, not to Cathy -- then the mother would be 90 or 91. If Cathy's mother is indeed 90 or 91, then she couldn't have had Cathy via teenage pregnancy, as someone above suggested. Because I'm quite sure that Cathy's younger than 71. That's all I was saying.

ETA: It was in Jill's tweet, which gave what they apparently believe is the woman's name and birth date:Please help us find @cldilla birth mom. Anyone know Joyce Perry (DOB 12/9/1925)? Previously in TX, OK & PA. Israel would love 2 meet ggma!

Like I said, the math didn't make sense, so I was trying to come up with a scenario that made sense.  If Derick was 25 when he married Muffy, then unless DDD was a late in life baby like if Cathy had him when she was 40. This scenario puts Cathys YOB at 1950, which if the correct DOB is 1925, her birth mother could have been 25 at the time.  Maybe a teen mom isn't the story, but perhaps an office assistant  who found herself in an inappropriate relationship with a married man or an army nurse who lost her love in the Korean War and found herself pregnant. Anything's possible...the plot thickens.

Many possible stories, but due to the circumstances surrounding the pregnancy, maybe because of shame or heartbreak, the mother nay not want to be found. Times are way more forgiving than they used to be.

Edited June 3, 2016 by Arwen Evenstar

[birkenstock]

Jill tweeted, as a reply, that Cathy was born in 1957. Cathy had Derick in 1989 (idk when his brother was born).

It sucks for Joyce Perry's relatives that they may be sucked into the Duggar vortex.  It seems the Duggars only value privacy for themselves.

 

ETA: I don't think the Duggars are private people by any stretch. They are selective in their openness but will talk about other people's lives in an exploitative way. 

Edited June 3, 2016 by birkenstock
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