Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[SomePity1066]

Jill went from 13 year old girl to high-riding bitch the instant she got married. Its like she's afraid to change at all, and had to program Derick not to stray. She won't even let him finish sentences when it's something she agrees with, for cryin' out loud!

Ha ! Like any "normal" eighth-grade girl and her "boyfriend" who she's "totally going to marry"...

 

Except me, you, and any other normal eighth-grade girl that moved on to a hundred other "little" boyfriends before actually starting to date, and then moving on to a "real" one, and then, maybe, years later, to "The One"...

 

You said Jill went from a 13 year old girl to a high-riding bitch, and I think you're mostly right...

 

She went from a 13 year old girl to a 13 year old high-riding bitch. 

 

Meh and Double Meh to you and your tract-dispersing, mani/pedi-getting, face-painting, faux-Spanish learning, lazy-ass, entitled, FrankenChristian wannabe grifter assholes ! And Happy Fucking Thanksgiving, you Bible-impared, mime-y fuckwits. 

 

Humbug.

Edited November 26, 2015 by SomePity1066

[louannems]

https://www.instagram.com/p/-hfSz_rs6E/

All right, you all, talking bad about the good, godly, missionary! Jill hears you and warns not to let corrupt words come out of your mouths.

THAT is her Thanksgiving Wish!

[Churchhoney]

Once in a while I see a link to another big family, ultra religious site.  I can't think of any that seem to launch their older kids.  There is still total involvement in the parent/adult child lives, and jobs that cater to the original family plan.  They seem to be most often hawking religious study courses, books, readings, and so on.  I don't see signs of the adult kids having secular jobs.  Odd.  Very odd.

 

 

And in virtually all of the other cases, we can't use the excuse that the kids are tied to the family by the money -- from TLC or otherwise -- since every other family I'm aware of lives modestly or struggles.

 

Seems to me pretty clear evidence that if you want to raise your kids as brainwashed, fearful puppets who'll be perpetually tied to your apron, you have a good chance of succeeding, especially if you start from birth. I know I'm not supposed to articulate the supposedly demeaning idea that these adult kids aren't making the free and informed choice to "believe what their parents believe" but are largely manipulated to stay by what's been done to their little brains throughout their childhood and youth, but I think all these non-launched and non-escaping kids give pretty good evidence that manipulation is often at work. That's what my own experience suggests, although I've been told by many that I grievously insult my relatives by saying they're pretty brainwashed. Seems to me that other families' experience corroborates. It is possible to make an informed choice to stay or go, obviously. But it looks as if it's not as easy as many may think. Else why would so many of these young adults, unlike most other young adults, actually not want their own jobs, friends, educations, love lives, homes, etc. 

Edited November 26, 2015 by Churchhoney

[Tabbygirl521]

https://www.instagram.com/p/-hfSz_rs6E/

All right, you all, talking bad about the good, godly, missionary! Jill hears you and warns not to let corrupt words come out of your mouths.

THAT is her Thanksgiving Wish!

One commenter says they would like the posts better if they were KJV and not watered down. I am chuckling.

[GeeGolly]

https://www.instagram.com/p/-hfSz_rs6E/

All right, you all, talking bad about the good, godly, missionary! Jill hears you and warns not to let corrupt words come out of your mouths.

THAT is her Thanksgiving Wish!

Oh but Jilly is taking all our comments wrong. We are trying to help her.

[becca3891]

I think Jill is the least liked out of all the siblings. Even Jana admitted she was a snitch growing up, even though she phrased it more kindly than Josh. I also remember the scene where Jinger picked up the Littles from the McMansion and didn't even set foot inside the door. When Jana came over to cook Nepalese food, she and Jill could barely keep a conversation going. I don't think Jill has been missed too much around the TTH.

To be fair, I don't know that we can judge how much they have to talk about based on a staged episode. Reality TV is not real at all and we know Jana has never liked being in front of the camera. She's not going to just freely talk like she would normally. 

[yogi2014L]

One commenter says they would like the posts better if they were KJV and not watered down. I am chuckling.

Another wonderfully snarky poster commented "That verse was so scary I just peed myself". I die, lmao

 

Adding on to the convo where JIlly isnt missed among her siblings...I think its obvious. Home girl was probably was viewed as another Mechelle or Boob and doesn't seem to be very like-able. 

 

One of the severely neglected howlers is going to write a tell all, no question.

[sometimesy]

Parisites laying low? Keeping 'all' the material for People and TLC?

[yogi2014L]

Parisites laying low? Keeping 'all' the material for People and TLC?

Maybe too much negative feedback?

I personally think there will be a pregnancy announcement the Friday before the specials air. Anyone know when the air date is?

Perhaps they have been busy propping Israel up ahnd forcing him to pose for a big "special" IG post announcement. 

[kokapetl]

Probably conducting a week long strategic review of their arms race with the Seewalds, with a weekend devoted to war games for a hypothetical conflict in which Jana marries Tim Tebow.

Edited December 1, 2015 by Kokapetl

[lookeyloo]

I think the air date is December 13th around 8 or 9 depending on time zone

[amitville]

Question on Jill facebook page it says Jill Dillard Actor/Director.  Where does she act and where does she direct?

[BrianJ62]

Question on Jill facebook page it says Jill Dillard Actor/Director. Where does she act and where does she direct?

In the kitchen and who does she direct? That be Derrick

[Almost 3000]

Question on Jill facebook page it says Jill Dillard Actor/Director.  Where does she act and where does she direct?

She participates in "overseas" missionary street theater.

[amitville]

She participates in "overseas" missionary street theater.

 

Really that is why she is a director. Oh my word that is wrong just wrong

Edited December 1, 2015 by amitville

[Churchhoney]

The list of the professions that this gang of untrained, uneducated, unemployed idiots think that they practice just never stops growing, does it?

[BrianJ62]

She participates in "overseas" missionary street theater.

I remember their production of the Ugly American(s).

[WhitneyWhit]

https://www.instagram.com/p/-hfSz_rs6E/

All right, you all, talking bad about the good, godly, missionary! Jill hears you and warns not to let corrupt words come out of your mouths.

THAT is her Thanksgiving Wish!

Oh, Jill. It's also rude to steal money from donors, cheat on your wife, and molest your siblings, life is shitty outside the prayer closet.

[Aja]

"Evil librul media hates perfect Christians like us" wrapped up in a Bible verse. Shut up, Jill.

[louannems]

https://www.instagram.com/p/-1o-KmLs05/

https://www.instagram.com/p/-1n_3irszM/

It seems it's Uncle Dan's birthday.

[Fuzzysox]

Question on Jill facebook page it says Jill Dillard Actor/Director.  Where does she act and where does she direct?

In Derick's conversion plays silly! I'm sure Jill is an expert at directing after all she pushed around all her brothers and sisters errr I mean learned from the camera crew how to do things. Expert I tell you. lol

[GeeGolly]

https://www.instagram.com/p/-1o-KmLs05/

https://www.instagram.com/p/-1n_3irszM/

It seems it's Uncle Dan's birthday.

So Jill basically says to her BIL, Happy Birthday and by the way, straighten up and fly right cuz you're my kid's uncle?

Edited December 3, 2015 by GeeGolly

[BitterApple]

Lmfao, so Dan better keep on the straight and narrow, but Doughboy Smuggar has a clean slate from molesting children and banging pornstars?! Duggar logic at its' finest.

[Churchhoney]

Lmfao, so Dan better keep on the straight and narrow, but Doughboy Smuggar has a clean slate from molesting children and banging pornstars?! Duggar logic at its' finest.

 

If I were Dan, seeing that post would make me want to do quite a few things that Jillymuffin would hate. I'd probably do them, too.

[JoanArc]

So Jill basically says to her BIL, Happy Birthday and by the way, straighten up and fly right cuz you're by kid's uncle?

Jill will be shocked to learn everyone's lives don't revolve around HER kids.

[Churchhoney]

Lmfao, so Dan better keep on the straight and narrow, but Doughboy Smuggar has a clean slate from molesting children and banging pornstars?! Duggar logic at its' finest.

 

Duggar always > NotDuggar

[Sew Sumi]

Too simple.

[Churchhoney]

I just don't understand why they can't just say "Happy Birthday" and be done with it. 

 

Well, this is a family in which, when a young kid says he'd like to be a mechanic, his parents put out word that he intends to be a "preacher mechanic." .... They're just so godly that every breath they let out emerges in the form of a "ministry" or a "mission" apparently.

Edited December 3, 2015 by Churchhoney

[Marigold]

http://www.inquisitr.com/2443503/jill-duggar-asked-to-return-donations-by-angry-supporters-of-dillard-family-ministries/

Did you see the part that Derick appears to have been in Nepal on a student visa and wasn't a missionary? According to the article and the screen shots of his own tweets, he was working there.

[auntieminem]

Iz looks like Dan in that picture of him and Derick when they were tots.  

[Churchhoney]

http://www.inquisitr.com/2443503/jill-duggar-asked-to-return-donations-by-angry-supporters-of-dillard-family-ministries/

Did you see the part that Derick appears to have been in Nepal on a student visa and wasn't a missionary? According to the article and the screen shots of his own tweets, he was working there.

 

A lot of people are there as sort-of missionaries, though. It's called "creative access." Few countries want to admit as many people officially as missionaries as the church mission boards want. And the church mission boards aren't going to financially support people who don't have the full credentials to be missionaries anyway. So the mission boards quietly work with and advise about country entry numerous people who aren't "officially" missionaries. It's clearly a way to get lots more Christians-with-an-interest-in-conversion into countries than could be done if they all declared themselves to be missionaries. It looks to me to be pretty common, and since it's done by stealth people don't officially proclaim themselves connected to the mission groups either when they're there or when they return. Legal repercussions on the mission boards could follow if they did. A lot of crap has been talked about Derick being some kind of special liar because he was working and studying in Nepal. But it's quite clear to me from reading all these descriptions of "creative access" that it's a very common thing worldwide and that his working part-time with a trekking company and also studying language were part of such a program. He was one of THE "field workers" mentioned below, and also a student.

 

Here's some Southern Baptist IMB commentary on it:

Creative Access Coordinator

The Creative Access Coordinator will assist in identifying and creating new business entities for the purpose of providing a legitimate means for field workers to live in a country. This will include developing new business plans, training field personnel on how to run a business and reviewing ways to improve an existing business’s methods of operations. Business background and experience in numerous fields is needed.

http://www.imb.org/go/projects.aspx

 

Here's  Methodist description of it:

 

"While fulfilling the Great Commission in those countries can be challenging, it is not impossible. Closed to missionaries does not mean closed to the gospel. That's where the use of the phrase "creative access" comes in. Because the Good News spreads most easily through relationships, there are opportunities for evangelism in even the most difficult of circumstances. Relationships in which the gospel can be shared can be developed by:

    Students from those countries who go to study in another country

    Christian business people whose job has taken them to those countries

    Teachers whose particular specialty is in demand in those countries

    Christian students who go to those countries to study

    Tourists who are able to develop contacts during brief trips to those countries

    Internet contacts

    Literature

    Christian workers imported from third-world countries to do menial jobs

    Christian radio and television broadcasting from nearby countries

     Some years ago we talked about various places as "closed" countries. On the surface, it did look like those places were unreached by missionaries. Today's mission strategists use phrases like limited access, restricted access, or creative access areas since, as has been noted, no country is really closed. Even though a country may be on someone's list of "closed countries," the gospel can get in through a variety of ways.

     It's hard to come up with a firm list or number of closed or creative access countries. One reason is that any listing of limited access countries by a mission board raises that mission board's visibility to the power structures of those particular countries. As a result, most mission boards working in such countries never talk about them by name nor do they even publish lists of those countries they consider to be creative access areas (whether they are working in them"

https://home.snu.edu/~hculbert/access.htm

Edited December 4, 2015 by Churchhoney

[Marigold]

That's really interesting, Church Honey. I didn't know any of that.

So he was working and learning the language while he is sharing Christianity? Pass out a few tracts, give out a Bible...So that makes someone a missionary?

(I'm not being snarky to you, just trying to figure out how that works exactly).

Derick wasn't sent by a church, was he? He was flying solo or maybe they meet up with a group who helps them find missionary opportunities to convert etc?

I guess what Derick and Jill are doing now is the exact same thing. Go to Central America (Overseas, of course!) and learn a language and talk to a few people about jesus and you're a missionary?

Well that explains a lot! I always found their missionary work to be kinda questionable. It makes sense now in light of this new information I have learned. ;)

[Churchhoney]

That's really interesting, Church Honey. I didn't know any of that.

So he was working and learning the language while he is sharing Christianity? Pass out a few tracts, give out a Bible...So that makes someone a missionary?

(I'm not being snarky to you, just trying to figure out how that works exactly).

Derick wasn't sent by a church, was he? He was flying solo or maybe they meet up with a group who helps them find missionary opportunities to convert etc?

I guess what Derick and Jill are doing now is the exact same thing. Go to Central America (Overseas, of course!) and learn a language and talk to a few people about jesus and you're a missionary?

Well that explains a lot! I always found their missionary work to be kinda questionable. It makes sense now in light of this new information I have learned. ;)

 

Well, it appears that these programs have numerous options and the mission boards work in a sort of informal way with various people who want to come into countries to convert but whose presence would swell the official "missionary" population way beyond what most countries would ever allow -- and who also don't have the full credentials that the mission boards require for their "official" missionaries.

 

You can see from the Methodist statement that if you're going to be a tourist or a student or a Christian businessperson who's going to a country where you'd like to convert you can call them up and they'll work with you at arms' length. The Methodist statement also makes clear that they totally lie about it -- that they certainly don't name the countries in which they have these "creative access" things going on. However, they also make pretty clear that they do work with these folks -- they just don't admit it.

 

The IMB -- which Derick was rumored to be involved with and which is Southern Baptist, like his church -- has a bunch of stuff about programs like this on their website, much more than the little bit I quoted here. For example, they note that students can contact them and they'll kinda sorta but not exactly officially work with those students to help them basically get on campus and then spend a lot of time proselytizing to their fellow students, nationals in the country they're in. Those students aren't officially "missionaries" -- they certainly wouldn't go in with that kind of visa. But they are kind of sort of IMB emissaries to the country under what IMB calls in some places a two-year, kinda sorta apprentice program. Then they have thhis other thing that they ofFIcially call "creative access" -- and it involves an IMB employee who helps foreign nationals set up and expand their businesses -- and then apparently offers some kind of tacit assistance to American I-want-to-convert-people Baptists to go and work in country for those businesses. These are the people that the paragraph I quoted above calls "field workers," which seems to mean that they're "field workers" for IMB -- although they aren't officially missionaries, and they go in on a work visa or a student visa. Notice that it says these businesses that IMB helps people set up are "a legitimate means for field workers to live in a country." That pretty clearly says to me that thse IMB "field workers" need legal cover to be in the country -- but what they're there for in fact is to hang around the workers in the business that IMB helped somebody build and try to convert those workers.

 

If you look at the sum total of Derick's tweets and at his linkedin and so on, what you see is that he was there on a two-year student visa (clearly one of the ways that IMB -- in passages I didn't quote -- names as a possibility for would-be student missionaries to go as kind of missionary apprentices) and that he als worked for a trekking company that was apparently operated by Nepali nationals. And that he spent A LOT of his time -- maybe most of it -- just hanging out with all the people he worked with and studied with in Nepal. He not only worked with them and studied with them but he socialized with them, seeing movies and eating out and such. and that was his work as a stealth missionary. To hang around with some Nepalese up and comers -- students and business owners -- and stick to them like glue, undoubtedly talking to them about the Bible and Jesus and Baptist belief all the time.

 

(Other things on the IMB site make a big point of talking about how you can be a wonderful tool for conversion by just talk talk talking to people.) The IMB site suggests that people can apply to them as students and that there'll be arms'-length contact between IMB and the students, which seems to suggest that IMB may point them toward some opportunities and maybe give them materials and such. If you go and work -- under that "creative access" business thing as descrbied by IMB, you clearly at some point have contact with their "creative access coordinator" who likely suggests a business for you to work in and probably helps you hook up with that business. The website doesn't say anything about exactly how that happens, but they wouldn't have the "coordinators" and call the Americans working in the business "field workers" if at some point they hadn't had contact with the IMB. .... And, Derick being a Cross Church member since childhood who wanted to be a missionary, I'm sure he did contact IMB when he got out of college -- and then they surely worked with him in this arms'-length way to help him get established in Nepal. Everything he says fits perfectly with the various IMB descriptions of how their non-missionary missionaries are to operate. ....

 

And while I haven't seen any place where IMB flat-out says that they lie about all of this, as you can see the Methodist board does flat-out say it in the passage above. And they strongly imply that all the mission boards lie in this way. That being the case, they pretty clearly expect the people involved in these programs to lie about it also, and say they're there only as students, tourists, trekking-company employees, etc. If the individuals told the truth, the governments would be alerted to the fact that there are a lot more missionaries -- albeit not fully educated ones -- loose in their countries than they want. The churches also don't make at all clear online how they communicate with the half-missionaries about how to convert and so on. But since they consider these people part of their mission (albeit a secret part) they clearly must communicate with them at least a bit about this.

 

I also think that the fact that Cross Church's minister -- president of the SBC -- did sort of bless the ongoing missionary work of Derick surely means that he knows that Derick did have this kind of semi-formal relationship with IMB. He surely knows that the IMB does use people in this way. And, from things that both the mission boards I quoted say, it looks to me as if they use quite a few people in this way. So it's not at all unheard of in these circles.

 

In Central America, the Dullards aren't there under a mission board, and I don't know that S.O.S. has any relationship with an actual church mission board either. Maybe S.O.S. officially registers as a voluntourism organization or something. Or maybe, since Latin America has been Catholic for so long, they have less restrictive laws about how many Christian missionaries they'll take than countries elsewhere do. I don't know.

Edited December 4, 2015 by Churchhoney

[Marigold]

Wow, Church Honey, thank you for all the work you put into that post.

Gives a whole new perspective of what exactly Derick did and is doing now "overseas".

I get the image of Derick being a dreamer and deciding to go to Nepal because it sounds really important but the reality is, he hung out alot, worked some and chatted about Jesus.

Kinda fits with the smart observation someone posted that Derick likes to pretend and likes to part of "big things".

A whole new analysis of Derick has just popped into my mind. Jill too.

Jill and Derick strolling through Central America and chatting about Jesus is really being a missionary. Who knew?

[Churchhoney]

Wow, Church Honey, thank you for all the work you put into that post.

Gives a whole new perspective of what exactly Derick did and is doing now "overseas".

I get the image of Derick being a dreamer and deciding to go to Nepal because it sounds really important but the reality is, he hung out alot, worked some and chatted about Jesus.

Kinda fits with the smart observation someone posted that Derick likes to pretend and likes to part of "big things".

A whole new analysis of Derick has just popped into my mind. Jill too.

Jill and Derick strolling through Central America and chatting about Jesus is really being a missionary. Who knew?

 

Who knew, indeed? But I do think you're right that that's how they see it. ...the Derick-as-dreamer idea makes a lot of sense, too, I think.

 

 I read up on all this "creative access" stuff quite a while ago -- when all the questions about Derick in Nepal started coming out, so I'm just disgorging that old stuff now. I remain amazed that some of what's said is so extremely blatant -- like the Methodist stuff about how they keep all this sort of thing secret. But I guess it doesn't surprise me a bit that this is done.

 

There've got to be way over a hundred countries that these churches probably want to put missionaries in (maybe way more, considering that they want to put them into countries that already are Christian, albeit Catholic ... and I wonder whether they may not want to put them into countries that are trending "none" these days as well...) So there's no way that an individual denomination could put a tremendous number -- maybe a few hundred? -- into any one country, even if national laws didn't limit the number of missionary visas they'll pass out. ....

 

But almost all countries today have populations in the millions. And there's no way a few hundred people will make much headway with numbers like that. So since they seem to take this conversion thing really seriously -- and actually seem to believe that it can be accomplished by jawing people and handing them bibles and tracts -- it's not surprising that they'll use any means necessary. At the same time there seem to be plenty of enthusiastic people like Derick running around who want to talk about Jesus, so why not enlist them? But they have to do it on the qt or risk getting their whole enterprise tossed out of a lot of countries. So if you believed in talking conversion, you'd come up with stealthy ways to send a bunch of Dericks around the world to help you do it, I guess.

 

ETA: Should add that there's some strong disagreement with my conjecture about what Derick was doing! So, I think I've got evidence, but who really knows.

Edited December 4, 2015 by Churchhoney

[Almost 3000]

A lot of people are there as sort-of missionaries, though. It's called "creative access." Few countries want to admit as many people officially as missionaries as the church mission boards want. And the church mission boards aren't going to financially support people who don't have the full credentials to be missionaries anyway. So the mission boards quietly work with and advise about country entry numerous people who aren't "officially" missionaries. It's clearly a way to get lots more Christians-with-an-interest-in-conversion into countries than could be done if they all declared themselves to be missionaries. It looks to me to be pretty common, and since it's done by stealth people don't officially proclaim themselves connected to the mission groups either when they're there or when they return. Legal repercussions on the mission boards could follow if they did. A lot of crap has been talked about Derick being some kind of special liar because he was working and studying in Nepal. But it's quite clear to me from reading all these descriptions of "creative access" that it's a very common thing worldwide and that his working part-time with a trekking company and also studying language were part of such a program. He was one of THE "field workers" mentioned below, and also a student.

 

Here's some Southern Baptist IMB commentary on it:

Creative Access Coordinator

The Creative Access Coordinator will assist in identifying and creating new business entities for the purpose of providing a legitimate means for field workers to live in a country. This will include developing new business plans, training field personnel on how to run a business and reviewing ways to improve an existing business’s methods of operations. Business background and experience in numerous fields is needed.

http://www.imb.org/go/projects.aspx

 

Here's  Methodist description of it:

 

"While fulfilling the Great Commission in those countries can be challenging, it is not impossible. Closed to missionaries does not mean closed to the gospel. That's where the use of the phrase "creative access" comes in. Because the Good News spreads most easily through relationships, there are opportunities for evangelism in even the most difficult of circumstances. Relationships in which the gospel can be shared can be developed by:

    Students from those countries who go to study in another country

    Christian business people whose job has taken them to those countries

    Teachers whose particular specialty is in demand in those countries

    Christian students who go to those countries to study

    Tourists who are able to develop contacts during brief trips to those countries

    Internet contacts

    Literature

    Christian workers imported from third-world countries to do menial jobs

    Christian radio and television broadcasting from nearby countries

     Some years ago we talked about various places as "closed" countries. On the surface, it did look like those places were unreached by missionaries. Today's mission strategists use phrases like limited access, restricted access, or creative access areas since, as has been noted, no country is really closed. Even though a country may be on someone's list of "closed countries," the gospel can get in through a variety of ways.

     It's hard to come up with a firm list or number of closed or creative access countries. One reason is that any listing of limited access countries by a mission board raises that mission board's visibility to the power structures of those particular countries. As a result, most mission boards working in such countries never talk about them by name nor do they even publish lists of those countries they consider to be creative access areas (whether they are working in them"

https://home.snu.edu/~hculbert/access.htm

Churchhoney ~ I didn't check but did you put this information into the question and answer thread? If not, it probably should be there even though the Duggars seem to do more missioncations. I'm sure a Duggar son or two will end up doing something like Derick and the information would be valuable in that thread.

[Churchhoney]

Churchhoney ~ I didn't check but did you put this information into the question and answer thread? If not, it probably should be there even though the Duggars seem to do more missioncations. I'm sure a Duggar son or two will end up doing something like Derick and the information would be valuable in that thread.

 

Ya think? I was thinking that this is mostly just my irresponsible speculation ... but I guess that's just the Derick stuff. The mission board quotes are real ....

[kokapetl]

http://www.inquisitr.com/2443503/jill-duggar-asked-to-return-donations-by-angry-supporters-of-dillard-family-ministries/

Did you see the part that Derick appears to have been in Nepal on a student visa and wasn't a missionary? According to the article and the screen shots of his own tweets, he was working there.

As long as he wasn't being paid for his labour, it wouldn't be considered work. The screenshot of Derick's LinkedIn page says he was a volunteer, and a volunteer can be reimbursed for expenses. Edited December 4, 2015 by Kokapetl

[Barb23]

IIRC, on the show they never used the word Missionary to describe Derick. Instead, they used Humanitarian. Does anyone else remember this?

[kokapetl]

IIRC, on the show they never used the word Missionary to describe Derick. Instead, they used Humanitarian. Does anyone else remember this?

They certainly avoided discussion of what exactly Derick was doing in Nepal, he was show basically just eating ethnic food and buying ethnic clothes. Edited December 4, 2015 by Kokapetl

[sometimesy]

I suppose the churches get scammed by the students as well. The student just wants a free trip somewhere on the churches dime. (remimbursement). Live in Nepal, learn a language, hand out a tract here and there. Dillard gonna grift. Funny to think that JB may have become a prayer partner (financial sponsor) of Derick and been scammed. Gave his daughter away to a gold digger. Snicker.

[Churchhoney]

Gave his daughter away to a gold digger.

 

It'd be nice to think of JB getting taken, but I'm not sure he minds a gold duggar (see what my subconscious did there?) as long as it's somebody who'll bend to his agenda. After all, he's likely to be the real force behind neither Derick nor Ben having a real job now. He understands and approves of grifting and drifting. What he doesn't understand is somebody wanting to actually do something, especially something that might take them and his spawn out of his sphere of influence. I think he might be more uneasy with somebody who actually was a determined missionary (or determined anything). They might fight him eventually.

[Churchhoney]

Of course, I'm not sure you could get Derick to shut up about Jesus or stop trying to talk-convert anybody he knew wasn't a Baptist. So since that's what the mission boards clearly want in people who go over there, I don't really think he scammed anybody. Since the churches clearly define missionarying as yakyakyacking to people about Jesus, I'm sure Derick missionaried up a storm in Nepal.

Edited December 4, 2015 by Churchhoney

[sometimesy]

Of course, I'm not sure you could get Derick to shut up about Jesus or stop trying to talk-convert anybody he knew wasn't a Baptist. So since that's what the mission boards clearly want in people who go over there, I don't really think he scammed anybody. Since the churches clearly define missionarying as yakyakyacking to people about Jesus, I'm sure Derick missionaried up a storm in Nepal.

Hmm. dammit. I just don't understand their crazy.

[Churchhoney]

Hmm. dammit. I just don't understand their crazy.

Yeah, me neither. But they truly don't seem able to talk for half a minute without mentioning Jesus. You'd think they'd forget from time to time but they never seem to. It seems to me that that level of obsession could only come from something that made you so happy that you were literally high with it all the time, and I guess that that is sort of what they claim. But they don't seem to be all that happy and inspired. Heck, Ben and Jessa usually seem downright furious and miserable and they keep on doing it. It's baffling to me, too. Nevertheless, it's right there in front of our eyes.

 

I also wonder about their apparent continued confidence that telling people about this stuff actually changes those people. How much evidence of that have they seen? I guess they do have at least a couple of leghumpers and leghumper families who've come over, perhaps because of the conversion talk -- Sierra, and maybe Marjorie Jackson's family? But they've been "sharing their message" with all and sundry for years and years now, and I wonder whether they feel they've seen success. They haven't brought Famy over to their side really, for example (seems to me, anyway).

 

It's quite strange. Although I guess not that uncommon. I'm not sure I've seen anybody keep it up for as many years or in as large a group as the Duggs have, though.

[Jenilane6]

Strange none of these missionaries want to go and convert ISIS.

[Aja]

The Dillards' brand of missionary work targets only people who are Christians already. Just the wrong kind of Christian. 

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[Churchhoney]

Strange none of these missionaries want to go and convert ISIS.

 

A lack of beaches and the romance of the Himalayas might have something to do with that. Or the heavy weaponry.

Edited December 4, 2015 by Churchhoney

[Churchhoney]

The Dillards' brand of missionary work targets only people who are Christians already. Just the wrong kind of Christian.

That's not necessarily the case with Derick, though. He went after a primarily HIndu country (with a strong side of Buddhists). And I'm not sure, but I've certainly never heard that Nepal has already been overrun with Seventh Day Adventists and Mormons and Catholics that he could convert, the way a bunch of African countries have been. I'm sure he did go there in part because it's so beautiful and interesting. But I do think that the choice marks him out as having been a bit different from the Duggars, at least before he allowed himself to be swallowed whole by Jim Bob's ego.

[Churchhoney]

He pretty much makes me want to retch ... whenever I'm able to stop laughing at his special combination of ignorance + arrogance.

Me, too. ALthough I tend to retch first. Can't stand the sight of him. And the sound of his voice is even worse.

 

I envision Derick, Ben and Anna, some night maybe five years down the line, all crying into their pillows while they wail, "Why did I marry one of Jim Bob Duggar's children? Why why why???!!!!"