Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[realityfan26]

2 hours ago, farmgal4 said:

Ditto!

I just checked and my library has no hard copies and 2 audiobooks. There are a total of 28 hard copies in my library's consortium. 

[sagittarius sue]

2 hours ago, farmgal4 said:

Ditto!

I put it on Hold two weeks ago, and checking yesterday I'm 40th in the line of 78 holds for a single copy that hasn't arrived yet.  I'm sure they'll probably order 3 or 4 more copies.

[Madtown]

Jill just posted a behind the scenes of recording the book on Instagram.. She said she was excited to do it and to give a voice to her feelings. She said that we could probably hear it in her voice because she cried every single day she was recording it.

[satrunrose]

4 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I also agree Jinger and Jill should be entitled to make money off their stories. I do wonder why Jill's book seemed to produce more interest though.

I think it's the context. I'm glad that Jinger finds her current theology liberating, but switching one cult that tells women to sit down, shut up and keep breeding for another that still says to sit down and shut up (breeding at your discretion) just isn't that interesting to me as a non-conservative Christian(ish person). Jill's, on the other hand, answers some of the questions I've had forever about how the money was structured and why so many of these kids are staying in their parents' orbits. 

[AstridM]

3 minutes ago, satrunrose said:

I think it's the context. I'm glad that Jinger finds her current theology liberating, but switching one cult that tells women to sit down, shut up and keep breeding for another that still says to sit down and shut up (breeding at your discretion) just isn't that interesting to me as a non-conservative Christian(ish person). Jill's, on the other hand, answers some of the questions I've had forever about how the money was structured and why so many of these kids are staying in their parents' orbits. 

Breeding at her husband’s discretion.🥲

[satrunrose]

Exactly, I'm not prepared to call that freedom.

[mythoughtis]

I don’t expect or need the Dillards to become totally inclusive type people.  Or to embrace ideas totally foreign to them.   We are best served by having people with different ideas meeting in the middle. That’s what I hope the Dillards grow into - people that recognize not everyone has to think, believe, dress, behave like them to be deserving of respect and a live and let live philosophy. They don’t have to be best buddies with everyone. 
 

I think this book shows that they have at least realized they don’t have to think in lockstep with JB.  So maybe they will be more accepting of people who don’t think in lockstep with them.   

[MMEButterfly]

On 9/17/2023 at 11:44 AM, BetyBee said:

Apparently, even after the adult kids marry, JB retains all power and must be consulted before any big ticket decisions. I wonder who would have taken his place after he dies? Josh????!!!!

JB certainly didn't honor his own father. Quite the opposite spinning him around in a desk chair.

[Salacious Kitty]

1 minute ago, MMEButterfly said:

JB certainly didn't honor his own father. Quite the opposite spinning him around in a desk chair.

He badmouthed JL in his IBLP stump speeches. I think he likes to think he succeeded in spite of his wayward father. 

[AstridM]

10 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

He badmouthed JL in his IBLP stump speeches. I think he likes to think he succeeded in spite of his wayward father. 

So really, Jill is just following in her father’s footsteps. If it was ok for him, why not for Jill?

[sagittarius sue]

8 minutes ago, AstridM said:

So really, Jill is just following in her father’s footsteps. If it was ok for him, why not for Jill?

JB probably thought that as his father was so sinful he was unworthy of respect while he is such a godly man he's entitled to complete obedience from his family.

[AstridM]

JB also set the example of openly and publicly shaming his own sibling for many years. 

[GeeGolly]

48 minutes ago, AstridM said:

So really, Jill is just following in her father’s footsteps. If it was ok for him, why not for Jill?

And like I mentioned earlier, why not for Izzy, Sam and Fred? Evolving is good, having a family chain of publicly dissing parents, probably not so good.

[kaleidoscope]

Does anyone have information about "Alice" resurfacing because of Jill's book, and wanting to add more details about what happened behind the scenes in the Duggar family?

[Salacious Kitty]

4 minutes ago, kaleidoscope said:

Does anyone have information about "Alice" resurfacing because of Jill's book, and wanting to add more details about what happened behind the scenes in the Duggar family?

I thought that Alice passed away some years ago. 

[kaleidoscope]

People were saying she was a parent of one of the Holts, but it seems she is coming forward and saying that is not true and is wanting to speak.  I'm not on Reddit, Instagram or Free Jinger.  Is anyone hearing anything?  Allegedly, she wants to add details to what Jill had to say in her book.

Edited September 20, 2023 by kaleidoscope

[Salacious Kitty]

Word on the street that this person is claiming to be connected in some way to the babysitter. I'm taking it with a HUGE salt lick. 

[Tdoc72]

2 hours ago, MMEButterfly said:

JB certainly didn't honor his own father. Quite the opposite spinning him around in a desk chair.

Because it wasn’t about the parents’ umbrella of authority. It was about JimBob’s authority.  He wants to control his wife and kids but doesn’t want anyone to control him. That’s why I loved the judge smacking him down.  I don’t think he gets much pushback otherwise. 
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As a parent, I’ll keep my kid safe under my umbrella but at some point, I hope that I taught them enough so they can handle their own umbrella. 

[Heathen]

46 minutes ago, kaleidoscope said:

People were saying she was a parent of one of the Holts, but it seems she is coming forward and saying that is not true and is wanting to speak.  I'm not on Reddit, Instagram or Free Jinger.  Is anyone hearing anything?  Allegedly, she wants to add details to what Jill had to say in her book.

I always thought "Alice" was a younger person, maybe a friend of one of the Holt kids. According to Reddit, though, "Alice" was Bobye Holt's mother and is now deceased. 

WTF wouldn't an adult, especially an older one, speak out (to CPS!) instead of writing a letter that she didn't send but instead stuffed in a book?! That's why I think she must have been a teenager. 

[Salacious Kitty]

That's why I am taking this sudden "re-emergence" of Alice with buckets of salt. She latched on to WOACB of all people. An attention whore would do that to watch fur fly. 

[ginger90]

There have been many stories thrown around about who Alice is. 

[louannems]

On 9/17/2023 at 6:12 AM, ChiCricket said:

  I "borrowed " this from a different forum.

I thought it was interesting that TLC paid for all the food from their filmed grocery trips.

Jill said they were able to get much different stuff than what they normally had to eat all the time.

So Michelle couldn’t even be bothered to cook up a big crockpot or pressure cooker full of beans.  Instead she bought those little cans for that humongous family.  Even with just five kids, my mom never did that.  We also made our own burritos, never buying them frozen.

[Zella]

1 minute ago, louannems said:

So Michelle couldn’t even be bothered to cook up a big crockpot or pressure cooker full of beans.  Instead she bought those little cans for that humongous family.  Even with just five kids, my mom never did that.  We also made our own burritos, never buying them frozen.

I suspect Michelle has never liked to cook and may not even really know how, which would explain why her daughters are all so inept at that. 

What I found interesting too was the reveal the tater tot casserole was from a recipe book from another fundie family. It would certainly explain why they're so obsessed with it when it's not at all something I associate with people in Arkansas cooking. Just anecdotally I never encounter that where I am in NWA, but I often hear people talking about it being more of a Midwest dish. My guess is they cribbed it from a Midwestern family, and it became a Duggar family staple because it is cheap, relatively easy to make, and capable of feeding a large group. 

[GeeGolly]

My mom grew up in OK. I swear she never met a casserole she wouldn't make, yet tater tot casserole was never one of them. 

Are casseroles in general a common thing in that area. Up until this moment I have always thought that, but maybe it was just my mom and/or her family.

Potatoes are pretty filling so tater tot casserole makes sense, but I was always surprised we didn't see the Duggars eating more rice. Rice is cheap, easy, versatile and filling. Many of my clients survive on that the last week of the month.

[Zella]

6 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

My mom grew up in OK. I swear she never met a casserole she wouldn't make, yet tater tot casserole was never one of them. 

Are casseroles in general a common thing in that area. Up until this moment I have always thought that, but maybe it was just my mom and/or her family.

Potatoes are pretty filling so tater tot casserole makes sense, but I was always surprised we didn't see the Duggars eating more rice. Rice is cheap, easy, versatile and filling. Many of my clients survive on that the last week of the month.

Yes people make casseroles but just not that one from what I've observed. I think there is some regional variance in Southern casseroles, in general. My grandmother is from Southern Appalachia, and she makes stuff that I don't see people in the Ozarks making. Including a squash casserole as a side dish. (And it's amazing and I can and have lived on it. LOL) Not saying people around here don't make them. But I just have never seen them out and about on people's tables, and when I mention she makes it, there's not this reaction of "Oh yes my family makes that too!" 

Not casserole related but chocolate gravy is another thing that I don't see people doing here, but it's definitely a Southern Appalachian thing. I was on another discussion board where someone mentioned it, and pretty much everyone whose family made it was from Western North Carolina/Eastern Tennessee/Northern Georgia/Eastern Kentucky. 

It just strikes me as funny because there was a lot of migration from Southern Appalachia to the Ozarks in the 1800s, and there is definitely some overlap in other things. 

Edited September 20, 2023 by Zella

[GeeGolly]

3 minutes ago, Zella said:

Yes people make casseroles but just not that one from what I've observed. I think there is some regional variance in Southern casseroles, in general. My grandmother is from Southern Appalachia, and she makes stuff that I don't see people in the Ozarks making. Including a squash casserole as a side dish. (And it's amazing and I can and have lived on it. LOL) Not saying people around here don't make them. But I just have never seen them out and about on people's tables, and when I mention she makes it, there's not this reaction of "Oh yes my family makes that too!" 

Not casserole related but chocolate gravy is another thing that I don't see people doing here, but it's definitely a Southern Appalachian thing. I was on another discussion board where someone mentioned it, and pretty much everyone whose family made it was from Western North Carolina/Eastern Tennessee/Northern Georgia/Eastern Kentucky. 

It just strikes me as funny because there was a lot of migration from Southern Appalachia to the Ozarks in the 1800s, and there is definitely some overlap in other things. 

My mom made tons of different gravies, but never chocolate gravy. 

I think you're right, Michelle didn't have a heart for kids or cooking.

[Zella]

Just now, GeeGolly said:

I think you're right, Michelle didn't have a heart for kids or cooking.

LOLOL When I posted my initial comment, I totally thought the same thing. "She doesn't have a heart for cooking!" 

Just now, GeeGolly said:

My mom made tons of different gravies, but never chocolate gravy. 

Yeah it goes with biscuits. My grandma never made it a lot for us, but her mom made it a lot for her grandchildren and it was a big favorite. To the point, one of my cousins was still pestering her about it after she stopped cooking, and she was finally like "I'm old, Sharon. Make your own damn chocolate gravy." 

[anyasmom]

I grew up in Northern Illinois, and we had tater tot casserole.  It was even served in school for hot lunch.  Ours was more of a mix between the Duggar recipe and green bean casserole though.

 

[AstridM]

35 minutes ago, Zella said:

LOLOL When I posted my initial comment, I totally thought the same thing. "She doesn't have a heart for cooking!" 

Yeah it goes with biscuits. My grandma never made it a lot for us, but her mom made it a lot for her grandchildren and it was a big favorite. To the point, one of my cousins was still pestering her about it after she stopped cooking, and she was finally like "I'm old, Sharon. Make your own damn chocolate gravy." 

If it’s anything like Mexican mole sauce, I’m in!

[YupItsMe]

I’m from south Louisiana and never heard of chocolate gravy until we retired to northern Arkansas a few years ago. It sounded nasty to me until I  actually tried it. It tastes like warm chocolate pudding. Yummy

i don’t follow Jill closely but it seems she cooks differently from her mom and is a bit more adventurous when eating out.

 

[SMama]

I don’t begrudge the kids eating “better” on TLC’s dime. Although I wouldn’t touch all the garbage they ate. I am however bothered by the bold face lying. I recall Michelle showing the receipts after the shopping trips, like a freaking peacock showing off how much they spent on groceries. JB and Michelle are pathological liars.

[ginger90]

31 minutes ago, SMama said:

showing off how much they spent on groceries

Well, they spent it, it just wasn’t theirs.

 

[GeeGolly]

I think Jill's cooking skills have evolved. For the first 5 years or so she posted recipes of 50 shades of beige and almost everyone contained a can of creamed something. I believe one time she went rogue with a green dish - canned beans with salt and vinegar. 

[SMama]

38 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I think Jill's cooking skills have evolved. For the first 5 years or so she posted recipes of 50 shades of beige and almost everyone contained a can of creamed something. I believe one time she went rogue with a green dish - canned beans with salt and vinegar. 

That’s a dish?

[GeeGolly]

54 minutes ago, SMama said:

That’s a dish?

Yes. Jill shared the 'recipe'. Oh did I mention they are served cold? I believe she calls them green bean fries and are a favorite from her childhood.

[Zella]

Wasn't it cold canned green beans that she'd hide in the bathroom to eat? 

[crazy8s]

There were 2 different weird green bean "recipes". The canned green beans with salt and vinegar was Jill's weird thing when she was pregnant with one of the boys if I remember correctly.

But there is another one that was a Duggar favorite

https://www.dillardfamily.com/2018/09/spectacular-sauteed-green-beans-recipe/

 

[andromeda331]

Finally finished the book. Jill skims over Derick's twitter wars with people. I'm surprised it was mentioned at all. I'm not sure she sees Michelle's part in any of it. I wonder if she ever will. Michelle happily used her to raise her kids, educate them and take care of all the cooking and cleaning. 

I'm glad she sees what a horrible piece of shit her father is. I always knew JB was horrible but he hit levels that still surprised me. As others had mentioned if he had just paid the ten thousand none of it would have happened. His indignation at being question. I'm still surprised and impressed Jill called him out for treating Josh better and even used the pedophile. That's amazing.

I liked her confusion like why it was okay for Jinger to wear pants and it wasn't for her and other things.  I wonder how the other siblings minus Josh feels about things. How did they feel about the calls, texts and drop harressment they did to Jill? How many of them think about the same things she does? Jill thinks their scared of JB. Probably and not wanting to end up isolated the way she did. How many of them still don't realize he's horrible?

I'm glad she got therapy. I'm glad she got out. I wish the rest would too.

[GeeGolly]

4 hours ago, crazy8s said:

There were 2 different weird green bean "recipes". The canned green beans with salt and vinegar was Jill's weird thing when she was pregnant with one of the boys if I remember correctly.

But there is another one that was a Duggar favorite

https://www.dillardfamily.com/2018/09/spectacular-sauteed-green-beans-recipe/

 

Here's Jill when she lived at home and when she was studying for her midwifery test. And Anna feeding them to her kids.

[ginger90]

Screenshot from a video:

[GeeGolly]

4 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

Finally finished the book. Jill skims over Derick's twitter wars with people. I'm surprised it was mentioned at all. 

Oh wow she mentioned Derick's posts. Did Derick have any remorse?

[Guest]

On 9/19/2023 at 10:20 AM, MaryAnneSpier said:

In the book, JB tells Jill that when he and Michelle pass, each kid will get 1/19th of all their wealth as an inheritance instead of a payment for their work on the show. But now that there's no show, lots of legal bills for Josh, ever-increasing children to provide for, etc. would there even be anything left?

She indicated in the book that he'd made lots of real estate investments with the proceeds, so I think there is not a good way to know. They don't have the income from the show anymore but depending on the real estate, they could have substantial passive income flowing in.

[libgirl2]

On 9/19/2023 at 9:48 AM, farmgal4 said:

Ditto!

My library consortium has 8 copies and 44 holds! 

[AstridM]

Jill’s book hit #2 on the NYT list - and hers are organic sales, NOT bulk sales as Jinger’s were. 

[andromeda331]

2 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Oh wow she mentioned Derick's posts. Did Derick have any remorse?

Nope. She says he was speaking his mind about a few topics and making a few enemies.

[dariafan]

I’m a petty person and when jb sent that itemized whatever you want to call it , I would have sent a bill for all the childcare and adult care she provided over the years 

[oliviabenson]

Aren’t they tired of eating side by side? And I’m sick of French fries 🤣.

[sagittarius sue]

6 minutes ago, oliviabenson said:

Aren’t they tired of eating side by side? And I’m sick of French fries 🤣.

That's a helluva lot of French fries.  I dislike huge servings of fries as they cool off, and I don't care to eat cold fries.  I've never found a satisfactory method of reheating them either.

[AstridM]

1 hour ago, dariafan said:

I’m a petty person and when jb sent that itemized whatever you want to call it , I would have sent a bill for all the childcare and adult care she provided over the years 

Same!

43 minutes ago, sagittarius sue said:

That's a helluva lot of French fries.  I dislike huge servings of fries as they cool off, and I don't care to eat cold fries.  I've never found a satisfactory method of reheating them either.

Reheating them in an air fryer works.

[oliviabenson]

1 hour ago, sagittarius sue said:

That's a helluva lot of French fries.  I dislike huge servings of fries as they cool off, and I don't care to eat cold fries.  I've never found a satisfactory method of reheating them either.

Yes the air fryer!