Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[ozziemom]

9 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:

Thank you.  I tried to link it just before you did and couldn’t.  
So raid was different agency and might have actually been at JB and Michelle’s?  And Jed doesn’t live there? 

Apparently Jed now lives in a house in the district where he is running for state rep. It’s discussed in another thread, he just moved recently and speculation is that it’s all for his political career. 

[Oldernowiser]

From the HSI website:

“The HSI investigates human rights violations, immigration crime, human smuggling, export enforcement issues, cybercrime, financial crimes, and the smuggling of weapons and other contraband.”

[PikaScrewChu]

Just now, Oldernowiser said:

From the HSI website:

“The HSI investigates human rights violations, immigration crime, human smuggling, export enforcement issues, cybercrime, financial crimes, and the smuggling of weapons and other contraband.”

Someone on Reddit (I know I know) said that the po-po gets all sorts of weird tips about the Duggars that they have gotten to the point of ignoring them. 

What could possibly warrant Homeland Security raiding there?

Tune in tonight on Counting On to find out!

[Sew Sumi]

We knew He'd had a house in his name in Springdale, but there was no evidence either way that he was (or wasn't) living there.

[mythoughtis]

2 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

From the HSI website:

“The HSI investigates human rights violations, immigration crime, human smuggling, export enforcement issues, cybercrime, financial crimes, and the smuggling of weapons and other contraband.”

Wasn’t there some clickbait recently about Jana selling weapons via the internet? 

[galaxygirl76]

4 minutes ago, PikaScrewChu said:

Someone on Reddit (I know I know) said that the po-po gets all sorts of weird tips about the Duggars that they have gotten to the point of ignoring them. 

What could possibly warrant Homeland Security raiding there?

Tune in tonight on Counting On to find out!

I would totally watch this over the boring 'guess what, we fuck without using contraception and are totally shocked that we are expecting !!' episodes.

[Jeanne222]

So despite all the denying something was going on with the Duggers last week!

[Oldernowiser]

Any chance this has something to do with the Duggar invasion of the Bahamas?

[JoanArc]

So, maybe trafficking after all?

[Sew Sumi]

Just saw another link on FJ that said Smuggar's business was (also?) raided. 

[JoanArc]

Just now, Sew Sumi said:

Just saw another link on FJ that said Smuggar's business was (also?) raided. 

The same one Jed works at owns?

[morgan459]

People has the story as well...

https://people.com/tv/duggar-family-home-raided-by-homeland-security-investigations

[Lukeysboat]

From Katie Joy’s Twitter feed (@WOACrystalBall):

“11/19/19, 8:51 PM

So far it’s looking like distribution of child pornography under the age of 15 with ICE involved it’s looking like images went international...and possibly multiple Duggar men involved”

https://twitter.com/woacrystalball/status/1196969212838846465?s=21

Edited November 20, 2019 by Lukeysboat
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[Oldernowiser]

3 minutes ago, Lukeysboat said:

From Katie Joy’s Twitter feed (@WOACrystalBall):

“11/19/19, 8:51 PM

So far it’s looking like distribution of child pornography under the age of 15 with ICE involved it’s looking like images went international...and possibly multiple Duggar men involved”

Please let JimBob be implicated oh please oh please...

[BitterApple]

3 minutes ago, Lukeysboat said:

From Katie Joy’s Twitter feed (@WOACrystalBall):

“11/19/19, 8:51 PM

So far it’s looking like distribution of child pornography under the age of 15 with ICE involved it’s looking like images went international...and possibly multiple Duggar men involved”

Holy shit. How reliable is this Katie?

[galaxygirl76]

5 minutes ago, Lukeysboat said:

From Katie Joy’s Twitter feed (@WOACrystalBall):

“11/19/19, 8:51 PM

So far it’s looking like distribution of child pornography under the age of 15 with ICE involved it’s looking like images went international...and possibly multiple Duggar men involved”

Another of her tweets says that Josh was the target of the raid.

[JoanArc]

1 minute ago, Oldernowiser said:

Please let JimBob be implicated oh please oh please...

Jim Bob, with ADULT women. Please.

[Sew Sumi]

4 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Holy shit. How reliable is this Katie?

She has contacts in NWA.

[PikaScrewChu]

So yes I was in the thick of it on Sunday but I'm hoping that's not true. I was hoping something to do with taxes or the like.

There's so many things that make sense now regarding the IG accounts over the weekend though now.

[Oldernowiser]

4 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

Jim Bob, with ADULT women. Please.

I know and absolutely. But the real mastermind behind this entire fucked up dynasty has skated by every damned time and he and Wifey had slithered back onto Counting On this season like nothing ever happened.

It’s way past time for his karma to come around.

[Minivanessa]

I'm hoping it's not child porn. Just, no. 

What occurs to me is that Jim Bob may be involved in some worse-than-sketchy investments. I remember a few years ago he was photographed rather proudly meeting some fundie guy at the prison gates, to drive him home after the guy had served his prison (felony!) sentence for some kind of financial shenanigans (maybe tax law violations). I don't remember the deets but I wondered at the time if JB had money in some dodgy deals. I don't know that JB has the brains or balls to run some kind of big scam or tax fraud, but I could totally see him getting involved if it's being run by some fundie buddies of his. And getting up to his ears in it, probably in a culpable way.

Now, whether that would be in the purview of the HSI, I have no clue.

Just, please, no child porn. 

[Churchhoney]

1 hour ago, JoanArc said:

The same one Jed works at owns?

I don't think so. They seem to have two car lots now. Smuggar works one and Jed 'owns" the other one -- which is the one that Josh used to "own." 

JB owns them all, of course. 

Edited November 20, 2019 by Churchhoney

[PikaScrewChu]

Yeah. The phrase Sex Pest isn't going to age well if it is child porn. 

[BitterApple]

So what are we thinking? Cancelled or will TLC hedge and wait to see how things play out?

[Guest]

Here's the link about Smuggar's business getting raided. (What is his "business" anyway? Does he still claim to run a used car lot?) I hope he is literally shitting his pants right now. 

ETA: Question answered while I was posting this.

[Churchhoney]

I'm pretty sure that, if it had been child porn and they'd found anything, somebody would have gone out in handcuffs at the time and most likely not be back yet. 

[Sew Sumi]

He was running a lot in Siloam Springs a couple of years ago. I guess he's still there? "Jed's" lot is in Springdale.

[Zella]

Wow, so looks like the rumors of the raid were true--just had the wrong agency involved. 

Someone named Zella will be watching her local news tonight! 😉 

[JoanArc]

Just now, Churchhoney said:

I don't think so. They seem to have two car lots now. Smuggar works one and Jed 'owns" the other one -- which is the one that Josh used to "own." 

JB owns them all, of course. 

Thanks. They have two lots? Josiah works for Jed? or Josh? Or himself. I know, I know, JB. Musical chairs business. I hope he's implicated somehow, though.

13 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

I know and absolutely. But the real mastermind behind this entire fucked up dynasty has skated by every damned time and he and Wifey had slithered back onto Counting On this season like nothing ever happened.

I'm jaded enough to think he'd still do the show from prison. Trotting off for a conjugal visit with his loving wife, Michelle.

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Sex Pest

FWIW it sounds jokey to Americans - but it basically is exactly the same as saying 'child molester'.

[Zella]

Just now, Churchhoney said:

I'm pretty sure that, if it had been child porn and they'd found anything, somebody would have gone out in handcuffs at the time and most likely not be back yet. 

I'd also think the FBI would have been involved in that, though that is purely a guess on my part. 

[Sew Sumi]

Just now, Churchhoney said:

I'm pretty sure that, if it had been child porn and they'd found anything, somebody would have gone out in handcuffs at the time and most likely not be back yet. 

We don't know where Smuggar is at the moment.

[Guest]

Just now, Churchhoney said:

I'm pretty sure that, if it had been child porn and they'd found anything, somebody would have gone out in handcuffs at the time and most likely not be back yet. 

Not necessarily. I've no doubt they seized computers and other electronics in the raid. They still need to go through them.

[Churchhoney]

1 minute ago, Sew Sumi said:

He was running a lot in Siloam Springs a couple of years ago. I guess he's still there? "Jed's" lot is in Springdale.

Yeah, I think that's the setup. 

[JoanArc]

Just now, Sew Sumi said:

We don't know where Smuggar is at the moment.

"He went out for cigarettes!" -Anna

[Oldernowiser]

1 minute ago, BitterApple said:

So what are we thinking? Cancelled or will TLC hedge and wait to see how things play out?

My guess is it could go either way. TLC had to spend lots of money to rehabilitate the Duggars the last time. If they can dump all of this off on Josh they may go with another season because they finally have actual plot material (watch pretty girls be sad).

Or they’ll say fuck it, write it off and move on to a less notorious nightmare family.

[Churchhoney]

7 minutes ago, Zella said:

I'd also think the FBI would have been involved in that, though that is purely a guess on my part. 

For some reason, Homeland Security does investigate some child porn stuff on its own. They have their own units doing it that don't necessarily work with the FBI.....They pretty much get into anything that involves stuff that may be on computers/the Internet.....which is how they get into child porn, financial crimes -- lots of stuff you wouldn't think they'd be the lead or lone agency on. 

Creeps me out, actually. 

Edited November 20, 2019 by Churchhoney

[PikaScrewChu]

4 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

FWIW it sounds jokey to Americans - but it basically is exactly the same as saying 'child molester'.

😶 Considering the Daily Fail really caters to an American audience they surely knew people would think it was a joking phrase?

Let's see how it all shakes out and if JB is involved. It would be unfortunate timing now that they have fully wormed their way back into the show. If all else fails TLC has other quality programming to fall back on. 

[JoanArc]

1 minute ago, PikaScrewChu said:

t would be unfortunate timing now that they have fully wormed their way back into the show.

Talk about karma. Honestly, that kinda timing makes me think there is a God after all - and he's tormenting Jim Bob!

[Churchhoney]

3 minutes ago, PikaScrewChu said:

😶 Considering the Daily Fail really caters to an American audience they surely knew people would think it was a joking phrase?

Let's see how it all shakes out and if JB is involved. It would be unfortunate timing now that they have fully wormed their way back into the show. If all else fails TLC has other quality programming to fall back on. 

...or very fortunate timing..... 😈

[Zella]

4 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

For some reason, Homeland Security does investigate some child porn stuff on its own. They have their own units doing it that don't necessarily work with the FBI.....They pretty much get into anything that involves stuff that may be on computers/the Internet.....which is how they get into child porn, financial crimes -- lots of stuff you wouldn't think they'd be the lead or lone agency on. 

Creeps me out, actually. 

Ah okay--that's very interesting! I had no idea how many different types of things Homeland Security investigated before this. 

[awaken]

50 minutes ago, Lukeysboat said:

From Katie Joy’s Twitter feed (@WOACrystalBall):

“11/19/19, 8:51 PM

So far it’s looking like distribution of child pornography under the age of 15 with ICE involved it’s looking like images went international...and possibly multiple Duggar men involved”

https://twitter.com/woacrystalball/status/1196969212838846465?s=21

Oh dear god, I really hope this isn’t it. What do they mean multiple images went international?  The pics of the raid or what they found in the home?

22 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

So what are we thinking? Cancelled or will TLC hedge and wait to see how things play out?

They’ll hedge. If they didn’t cancel before, they won’t now. Numbers will increase I bet, due to curiosity and hate watching. I’m sure even now they’re reveling in the increased news coverage. 

[Oldernowiser]

22 minutes ago, Giant Misfit said:

Not necessarily. I've no doubt they seized computers and other electronics in the raid. They still need to go through them.

I would think that between the Duggars’ high profile and their political and religious connections HSI would have to have some impressive evidence just to get a warrant?

Edited November 20, 2019 by Oldernowiser

[galaxygirl76]

22 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

We don't know where Smuggar is at the moment.

Have we seen Boob? Meeechelle posted a picture of her 'getting back in the swing of things' but I don't remember seeing Boob. 

[Marshmallow Mollie]

No doubt someone is keeping an eye on where Duggar Aviation is flying. We know they can fly international 

[StaceyNotStacie]

1 minute ago, awaken said:

They’ll hedge. If they didn’t cancel before, they won’t now. Numbers will increase I bet, due to curiosity and hate watching. I’m sure even now they’re reveling in the increased news coverage. 

I think it depends on how bad things turn out. If it’s just Josh, I can see them ignoring it on screen and keeping the show on the air. If it extends to more family members, I can see TLC cutting their losses. 

[Zella]

Just now, Stacey1014 said:

I think it depends on how bad things turn out. If it’s just Josh, I can see them ignoring it on screen and keeping the show on the air. If it extends to more family members, I can see TLC cutting their losses. 

That's what I am thinking. If it is Josh, they'll spin it as "Oh he's not on the show." But if it's more of the family than just him, it might just get cancelled. I think it also might depend on the charges. If it's something like child porn or human trafficking, I think they're more likely to be cancelled than if it is something financial. Just a guess. 

PS I have a local news channel on right now--not my favorite 9 pm one, that one went away 😞 --and nothing is being covered yet. I might have to wait for the main 10 pm newscast on another channel. 

[galaxychaser]

Counting on: prison edition 

I would watch that 

[Oldernowiser]

6 minutes ago, galaxygirl76 said:

Have we seen Boob? Meeechelle posted a picture of her 'getting back in the swing of things' but I don't remember seeing Boob. 

Kind of explains why she was so breathy...she’s probably scared shitless.

[StaceyNotStacie]

I doubt it will make our local news since we’re in Virginia. I’ll be watching the morning shows tomorrow (GMA, etc) to see if they mention it. 

[Zella]

3 minutes ago, Stacey1014 said:

I doubt it will make our local news since we’re in Virginia. I’ll be watching the morning shows tomorrow (GMA, etc) to see if they mention it. 

Yeah I doubt it will be on most local news channels, but I'm in northwest Arkansas, so if it's not covered on the local news here, that'd surprise me.