Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[toodles]

26 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

 Not seeing much of that unless you count them crying on an interview THEY volunteered for. Publicly they said it was no big deal and for everyone to get over it and move on. 

And were probably paid for.  These people are the worst.

[kalamac]

I'm surprised his lawyer didn't tell him to wait to see what happens with his other lawsuit, and what the fallout from that is if he loses, before filing this one.

[JoanArc]

51 minutes ago, toodles said:

And were probably paid for.  These people are the worst.

I'd argue most/all of the media coverage was repectful to the victims, too. 

[Genevrier]

According to the lawyer in my house, due process generally means a person cannot be deprived by the government  of life, liberty, or property without notice and a hearing. But in this situation it probably refers to the requirement that a government agency must follow all relevant rules and laws, and its own policies. (He's not sure due process is applicable in this case, but that is probably what they're getting at.) That's all I have. ?

[bigskygirl]

6 hours ago, Kokapetl said:

It's important to remember that the sisters are suing for the suffering, distress and humiliation they endured when the city rushed to release the sister's own interviews (which they had been led to believe would be confidential), with piss poor and basically useless redactions, to a crap checkout rag tabloid that published all the details of their childhood sexual assaults. The city was likely negligent in it's actions and Bauer Media was likely negligent, reckless and malicious in it's actions. A reasonable person could foresee that InTouch's publication of the intimate details of the sisters sexual assaults would cause harm to the sisters. 

The sisters don't need to legally pursue their parents or their brother. Their claim is basically about the violation of their privacy that was caused by the release and publication of intimate information about themselves and the subsequent harm they suffered. 

Imagine if you had HIV, and it was published in a national gossip magazine. Would it be reasonable for people to demand that you "deal" with who ever infected you before you make a claim against the gossip magazine that caused you significant mental suffering by published sensitive and intimate information about you?

I see your point of view, but the reasoning why the leak happened should be brought to light because it was the famewhoring and calling out certain groups of people child molesters when you were covering up for what your own son did to four of his sisters. If they did not want this to come to light, they should have stayed off television and not try to force others to go along with some of their hatred of others. JB and Michelle should have kept a closer tab to make sure things would not come to light when it came to what happened at home. Jill and Jessa went on television and said it was no big deal, it happens in most homes, their parents took care of it, and they forgave Josh. Sadly I think JB, Michelle and Josh were more worried about how this would make them look if it came out about their dirty little secret than the fact it was not handled properly by the two people who were supposed to protect and care for the victims. And if they were so worried about the violation of their privacy then they should not be on television and violated the rights of gays and lesbians by calling them child molesters. I have a cousin who is gay, and he is not a child molester. He and his partner opened up a restaurant/bar in a small town in April. Due to certain people who think like the Duggars, they are looking at closing down their business because they were humiliated, distressed and suffered because a few small minded people thought they were no good because they were different. They are two people the Duggars clan turns against and spew their hatred and bigotry towards them. The girls have their own television show, do not work, and Jill is expecting others to donate money so she can help heathens instead of her husband actually working for a living. Should this came to light about Josh molesting his four sisters, no but the ones who brought all of this on themselves are the two people who should be taking care of their daughters' emotional needs instead of trying to get money because *gasp* the whole family suffered at the hands of the media and police department instead of protecting the girls and getting them proper help instead of being famewhores and taking responsibility for their actions. I feel bad for the girls because this is not a solution to the whole situation. They need help, but this is not the help they need.

[GeeGolly]

I can separate who the Duggars are with the girl's lawsuit, because even assholes should have the law on their side.

Josh is just an idiot for keeping this thing going though - he molested his sisters. He needs to show some humility and shut the fuck up.

Josh isn't the first idiot criminal to sue though. I think there was a recent case where a thief sued the home owner who shot him during the theft.

For Josh: https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Humility/

[kokapetl]

9 hours ago, doodlebug said:

Well, I wouldn't go on national TV and tell the world that the person who infected me was 'just curious' (presuming he/she knew they were infected and didn't tell me or take precautions).  Nor would I expect my parents to tell me that I had to immediately forgive the person who gave me the infection or risk going to hell and then do an interview where I praised them for handling my tragedy so well.

I don't think the lawsuit would be so controversial if the Jill and Jessa hadn't gone out of their way to absolve their brother and their parents of any responsibility for the initial grievous act that was committed against them.  In fact, they not only absolved them, they heaped praise upon them for it.

If that's the way the sisters feel, then that's the way they feel. They're entitled to have stupid opinions. 

3 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

I see your point of view, but the reasoning why the leak happened should be brought to light because it was the famewhoring and calling out certain groups of people child molesters when you were covering up for what your own son did to four of his sisters. If they did not want this to come to light, they should have stayed off television and not try to force others to go along with some of their hatred of others. JB and Michelle should have kept a closer tab to make sure things would not come to light when it came to what happened at home. Jill and Jessa went on television and said it was no big deal, it happens in most homes, their parents took care of it, and they forgave Josh. Sadly I think JB, Michelle and Josh were more worried about how this would make them look if it came out about their dirty little secret than the fact it was not handled properly by the two people who were supposed to protect and care for the victims. And if they were so worried about the violation of their privacy then they should not be on television and violated the rights of gays and lesbians by calling them child molesters. I have a cousin who is gay, and he is not a child molester. He and his partner opened up a restaurant/bar in a small town in April. Due to certain people who think like the Duggars, they are looking at closing down their business because they were humiliated, distressed and suffered because a few small minded people thought they were no good because they were different. They are two people the Duggars clan turns against and spew their hatred and bigotry towards them. The girls have their own television show, do not work, and Jill is expecting others to donate money so she can help heathens instead of her husband actually working for a living. Should this came to light about Josh molesting his four sisters, no but the ones who brought all of this on themselves are the two people who should be taking care of their daughters' emotional needs instead of trying to get money because *gasp* the whole family suffered at the hands of the media and police department instead of protecting the girls and getting them proper help instead of being famewhores and taking responsibility for their actions. I feel bad for the girls because this is not a solution to the whole situation. They need help, but this is not the help they need.

Josh's past history of political windbaggery will probably harm his case, but "their parents are bigoted assholes" is unlikely to be relevant to the sisters lawsuit.

The Duggar family don't share a single hive mind.

[floridamom]

Being an asshat isn't illegal, sadly. I'm still of the opinion that these girls went of TV of their own accord and plainly stated that it was no big deal. Jessa was mostly stonefaced during the whole interview, Jill was crying...I don't know why, but they stated that all should move on and forget about it as they have.....so, then, what's the big deal that we learned about it coming from? They can't have it both ways. They should still sue their parents if you ask me.

[hathorlive]

19 minutes ago, Kokapetl said:

If that's the way the sisters feel, then that's the way they feel. They're entitled to have stupid opinions. 

Josh's past history of political windbaggery will probably harm his case, but "their parents are bigoted assholes" is unlikely to be relevant to the sisters lawsuit.

The Duggar family don't share a single hive mind.

Juries have a funny way of deciding what is and isn't relevant to a case.  Subtle shading such as what has been posted above does effect a juries view of the victims.   What we are listing might influence enough of them to decide that no harm was done.  It's always a toss up.  And since we've seen the spin (via the Fox interview) a jury might decide there's a lot of fake tears and sadness over their meal ticket ending.   Assuming it gets to a jury trial.  Many people feel that if Jill and Jessa performed that badly on the Fox interview, they'll drown in a cross examination.

[bigskygirl]

3 hours ago, hathorlive said:

Juries have a funny way of deciding what is and isn't relevant to a case.  Subtle shading such as what has been posted above does effect a juries view of the victims.   What we are listing might influence enough of them to decide that no harm was done.  It's always a toss up.  And since we've seen the spin (via the Fox interview) a jury might decide there's a lot of fake tears and sadness over their meal ticket ending.   Assuming it gets to a jury trial.  Many people feel that if Jill and Jessa performed that badly on the Fox interview, they'll drown in a cross examination.

I agree. For two of the victims to say it was no big deal, we had no clue at times what really happened because our parents told us, it happens in almost every household in America, our parents took care of it, and we forgive Josh, the jury might take a hard look at that and think are they really suffering or are they upset their family's meal ticket ended. The four victims now got their own television show so I cannot see getting a bag full of money from a jury because *gasp* they have lost millions due to the original show ending. And lets face it, the speculation has been spinning around for years the Duggars were hiding a dark secret involving Josh and a few of his sisters. I just find it interesting how the lawsuit came to light after all four victims have been married off. I think JB is worried his meal ticket aka his family has taken a direct hit the last few years, and he is not a happy camper about it. He should be more concerned about his daughters especially Jill since something seems way off with her, but he is too blinded by his anger, greediness, and Josh ruining the family name instead of getting the help the girls need. If there was a jury trial, and I ended up on the jury, I would give them a small amount to cover getting real counseling, getting a real education, and help them and their spouses get a real job/job training, advise the four girls to get away from the parents and Josh as soon as possible and start a whole new life. I would also love to see the judge ripped into JB, Michelle and Josh.

[SnarkyShark]

17 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

I was just proud of Anna for not buckling and naming her Michelle. 

I looked up the meaning of the name Michelle on the nameberry website, which listed it as "who is like God." Blech. The irony is strong here because MEchelle Duggar could not be farther from the meaning of her name if she tried.

[BitterApple]

Even though Michelle is kind of a dated name, I like it much better than Meredith. Although I'd rather be a Meredith than a Spurgeon.

[Aja]

On 7/8/2017 at 1:09 PM, GeeGolly said:

Josh's statement: “I have been the biggest hypocrite ever. While espousing faith and family values, I have secretly over the last several years been viewing pornography on the internet and this became a secret addiction and I became unfaithful to my wife.

I am so ashamed of the double life that I have been living and am grieved for the hurt, pain and disgrace my sin has caused my wife and family, and most of all Jesus and all those who profess faith in Him.

I brought hurt and a reproach to my family, close friends and the fans of our show with my actions that happened when I was 14-15 years old, and now I have re-broken their trust.

The last few years, while publicly stating I was fighting against immorality in our country, I was hiding my own personal failings.

As I am learning the hard way, we have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences. I deeply regret all hurt I have caused so many by being such a bad example.

I humbly ask for your forgiveness. Please pray for my precious wife Anna and our family during this time.”

 

Josh - These were your words then. They should be your words now. Withdraw the law suit, Josh and go away.

I remember this. At the time, I remember being struck by how Josh thinks he  disappointed the entire Christian population by trolling for internet pussy. That bugs him even more than humiliating his wife. Quite the sense of self, there, Josh. 

[Nysha]

On 7/9/2017 at 8:42 AM, bigskygirl said:

If there was a jury trial, and I ended up on the jury, I would give them a small amount to cover getting real counseling, getting a real education, and help them and their spouses get a real job/job training, advise the four girls to get away from the parents and Josh as soon as possible and start a whole new life.

I don't think the jurors get to stipulate how the money is spent, nor do they get to give advice on how the plaintiff should live their life. 

[bigskygirl]

Too bad because in this case a little advice is needed, but in the case of the Duggars they probably would ignore it because they know what is best. *sigh* I feel so bad for those poor girls.

And yes I cannot understand why Josh thinks he let down God and Christians when he cheated on his wife and was looking at porn than the fact he molested four of his sisters more than once. It boggles the mind the way he thinks or in this case, does not think.

[Churchhoney]

2 hours ago, Nysha said:

I don't think the jurors get to stipulate how the money is spent, nor do they get to give advice on how the plaintiff should live their life. 

True. But as jurors you do get to decide on exactly how much to award in damages -- and that question of "what do we think would be a fair and useful set of things for this damage award to pay for" does come into such discussions. I've done this a few times, and since you get no guidelines at all about figuring out the damages, this is the kind of tack a jury may well take, in an attempt to make the award a realistic one.  So it wouldn't be surprising if they ended up with an award that would be just the amount you'd need to pay for such things that  a jury might deem useful and appropriate under the circumstances. ....

The plaintiff can them obviously go off and spend it on vodka or mission donations or whatever, if they want. In this case, of course, damages figured on that basis would be hugely disappointing to the Duggars, given what they seem to imagine they'll be getting. 

2 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

 

And yes I cannot understand why Josh thinks he let down God and Christians when he cheated on his wife and was looking at porn than the fact he molested four of his sisters more than once. I

Didn't the whole family seem to think this, too? Seems to me that when they did that "get the Duggars' response to Joshley" thing, it was all about "unfaithful!" -- from everybody, including brothers and sisters -- and pretty much nothing about "unrepentant serial child molester!" wasn't it? I think it's the absolutely insane priorities of the entire clan, really. 

Edited July 10, 2017 by Churchhoney

[ginger90]

Michael teaches Marcus to ride a bike

https://scontent.fagc1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/19667677_1079200675546914_4286619149351924467_o.jpg?oh=95327d3fa2756399a59a028b6e620f5e&oe=59C6BE39

Edited July 11, 2017 by ginger90

[Genevrier]

That's nice. My sister taught me also.

[xwordfanatik]

17 hours ago, Genevrier said:

That's nice. My sister taught me also.

Mine too.

[Scarlett45]

Why is Josh making public videos?!! I don't understand why he and (by extension Anna) don't stay OUT of the public eye?! They would do more for the family brand not showing their faces. 

[Absolom]

Famewhores gotta famewhore.  It probably kills Josh not to be front and center any more.

[latetotheparty]

9 minutes ago, Absolom said:

Famewhores gotta famewhore.  It probably kills Josh not to be front and center any more.

I hope so. I hope it eats him alive every day. 

[Sew Sumi]

19 minutes ago, Absolom said:

Famewhores gotta famewhore.  It probably kills Josh not to be front and center any more.

I suspect they used that video because cute kids. Wanna bet that wasn't their first take or there was rehersal beforehand? As I noted before, I doubt Smuggar gives two shits about Jerick or his new nephew. 

[floridamom]

That video was very rehearsed. Anna sounded so fake and like she was reading her lines. Marcus needs speech therapy, but will never get it. I could hardly understand that boy.

[GeeGolly]

The link I opened was 4 stills. There'a a video?

[Sew Sumi]

2 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

The link I opened was 4 stills. There'a a video?

I think they were referring to the congratulations video from Smuganna and spawn. 

[JoanArc]

Josh earns paycheck of $3500

yep, he's working again!

OK not really...

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According to CNBC, violated users can get up to $3,500 depending on “how well they can document their losses attributable to the breach.” I like to imagine a gaggle of men tearfully typing up these documents at their local libraries, bindles propped agains the book-drop. What percentage of one’s dignity can be purchased with $3,500? Not much, I’d say.

[Sew Sumi]

Knowing Smuggar, he threw the mail in the trash, thinking it was junk. Or, if he opened it, was too lazy to complete the paperwork for what he probably considers a pittance. 

[Portia]

I just noticed that the Ms are not mentioned  in the title of this thread. Isn't that inconsistent since Jessa and Jill'ls titles acknowledge their kids?

[Sew Sumi]

I wondered that as well. I think because their thread was first and we didn't have the snarky names made up yet? Frankly, I'd just tack "and the M Kids" on the end. We can only use Smuggar since Josh and Anna are clearly identified. And we have to keep Smuggar in there! Any newbie wandering in here can pick up Smuggar Duggar quickly enough. :D

[Rabbittron]

I bet Smuggar rejoined the website ?

[Sew Sumi]

I'm thinking about how I've been contacted about class-action lawsuits; it's always been by mail. I wonder if Smuggar allows Anna to read theirs. This suit is probably just getting under way, and the tabloids got wind of it, probably through a former member on their staff or something. Anna might throw away something from lawyers fearing another lawsuit against her beloved Smuggar. Smuggar has bigger fish to fry than a measly $3500. That's one (or two really cheap) used cars to him. Chump change, but right now with Anna really not featured on the show this season, chump change they could really use. Sadly, it will take a while for this money to come down the pipeline, just like any money he  might (won't) make from a lawsuit. 

[JoanArc]

7 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

I'm thinking about how I've been contacted about class-action lawsuits; it's always been by mail. I wonder if Smuggar allows Anna to read theirs. This suit is probably just getting under way, and the tabloids got wind of it, probably through a former member on their staff or something. Anna might throw away something from lawyers fearing another lawsuit against her beloved Smuggar. Smuggar has bigger fish to fry than a measly $3500. That's one (or two really cheap) used cars to him. Chump change, but right now with Anna really not featured on the show this season, chump change they could really use. Sadly, it will take a while for this money to come down the pipeline, just like any money he  might (won't) make from a lawsuit. 

It'll be mailed to the mold house address, the one he used for the site.

[Rabbittron]

I bet you snuggar made out of fill out the paperwork for the lawsuit

Edited July 16, 2017 by Rabbittron
Tablet changed Smuggar to Snugger

[Sew Sumi]

19 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

It'll be mailed to the mold house address, the one he used for the site.

Oh true! And I doubt he gets mail forwarded from DC any longer, so whoever lives in his rental will get that piece of mail. 

Jessa, being the one who certainly gets the mail there may have seen it, laughed maniacally, and chucked it. 

[sometimesy]

When is the next M&M arriving? 

 

Hope it looks like the first 2. Mac and Michael are really cute kids. 

Edited July 16, 2017 by sometimesy

[Genevrier]

2 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

I wondered that as well. I think because their thread was first and we didn't have the snarky names made up yet? Frankly, I'd just tack "and the M Kids" on the end. We can only use Smuggar since Josh and Anna are clearly identified. And we have to keep Smuggar in there! Any newbie wandering in here can pick up Smuggar Duggar quickly enough. :D

Josh and Anna: The smugger Duggar, the gold-Duggar, and their band of Baby M's

 

...Too mean? 

[Minivanessa]

TBH, I think the topic titles for the married Duggarlings don't need to mention all their kids. For one thing, they are very young - even the oldest M kid is only 7. Jessa's and Jill's kids are babies and toddlers. For another, the older M kids aren't featured on the show. 

I especially think the current title for this topic is perfect and doesn't need to be changed every time Anna has another baby.

(I can see that the Seewalds' choice of baby names is snarkworthy enough to merit a title reference.)

[ariel]

19 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

Knowing Smuggar, he threw the mail in the trash, thinking it was junk. Or, if he opened it, was too lazy to complete the paperwork for what he probably considers a pittance. 

I can see him getting his wife to fill it out. & mail it for him.

[Booey]

You guys. I hadn't been on here this weekend and just opened the page and saw the Smugger re-name topic, and about lost it that Anna had M5 (or whichever number). But I see it's just to update to include the M's like the other threads. WHHHEEWWW what a spotlight steal that would be off of Jill! (Actually, a little disappointing.)

[LilJen]

4 minutes ago, Booey said:

You guys. I hadn't been on here this weekend and just opened the page and saw the Smugger re-name topic, and about lost it that Anna had M5 (or whichever number). But I see it's just to update to include the M's like the other threads. WHHHEEWWW what a spotlight steal that would be off of Jill! (Actually, a little disappointing.)

Exactly what I thought: that M5 had made his/her arrival.

[Rabbittron]

Who cares about M5. The only thing that I care about is when the kids are old enough to see the Internet they will really learn about what Daddy Smuggar is really like.

[floridamom]

Why do we want to re-name this thread? I think it's ok as it is. It's going to be ever-changing anyway with more and more births.

[Sew Sumi]

The purpose is to make a permanent thread title that doesn't have to be changed every time Anna whelps.

[Genevrier]

Sure, but we have that already. The current title doesn't mention the kids at all. 

[frenchtoast]

7 hours ago, floridamom said:

Why do we want to re-name this thread? I think it's ok as it is. It's going to be ever-changing anyway with more and more births.

 

2 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

The purpose is to make a permanent thread title that doesn't have to be changed every time Anna whelps.

 

2 hours ago, Genevrier said:

Sure, but we have that already. The current title doesn't mention the kids at all. 

Exactly. This topic doesn't but the other Duggar offspring does at least mention kids, so we're trying to just keep the Duggar offspring and their families topics sort of the same the same. But rather than mention individual kids, we'll try to just mention spouses and kids in general. And then, hopefully, it's done, and this way there will be a template for the next wedding/kids. Sigh....

[Aja]

3 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

The purpose is to make a permanent thread title that doesn't have to be changed every time Anna whelps.

*Danny Thomas spit take*

[latetotheparty]

43 minutes ago, Aja said:

*Danny Thomas spit take*

Oh wow aging yourself!  And me too because I know exactly what this means  :)

[Totally]

I sort of like changing the titles around every couple of years

Allows for more current cringeworthy moments to shine

[frenchtoast]

7 hours ago, Totally said:

I sort of like changing the titles around every couple of years

Allows for more current cringeworthy moments to shine

Well, nothing is set in stone. We've hit a bit of a fatigue, but that doesn't mean we won't do it again. It's not like the families won't provide us with opportunities. At any rate, we wanted to put Josh and Anna's topic inline with the other families.