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He is traumatized because his farce message of calling out others by suggesting they molest children because they do not follow his beliefs which lead to the molestation scandal coming out in the first place. I cannot believe how stupid the Duggars are. Did they actually believe what happened will never come out. People found out he is a lying piece of scum. I wish someone who is gay or a lesbian would bring a lawsuit against the Duggars because in their small and bigoted minds they are evil and are the ones who molest children, and they have been traumatized by what the Duggars have said about them. Josh is a victim of his parent's stupidity and lack of decent parenting skills, but he is also a victim of his own greed and famewhoreness. He got caught in the hen house and is paying the price for it.

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In the documents Josh filed, he shamelessly farts up that he’s a victim and has been traumatized by the world finding out that he molested this sisters.

Words fail. Wait for it--Smugs is going to claim that trauma over this MADE him go to the Ashley Whorison site, instead of the real reason, which is Anna was deficient in many ways (I KID!!!!!!!)

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16 hours ago, Annb67 said:

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The fuck?! Yes you insipid nasty pervert you are a social and professional pariah. You see outside of Duggarville normal people tend to frown on shitty pervs who mess with kids. So this is normal you slimy piece of shit. 

So here's a damn clue you bastard.  Crawl under your rock and stay. Your fat ass is lucky you didn't wind up in juvenile detention where they would have wiped your shitty smugness right out of you and you would have been someones bitch. Again, in the real world people dont like child molesters. Welcome to reality asshole. People actually hate you.

Anna I feel nothing for you. You are right smack in the middle of this and I hope you live a miserable life. To your kids: I'm sorry. I'm sorry you have two shits for parents. Hopefully you grow up and get the hell out. Maybe you guys can sue your parents for humiliation of having to grow up in the hellhole you have.

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15 minutes ago, PoshSprinkles said:

When we first hashed this out in 2015, I believe someone pointed out that the clock starts ticking when the abuse is first recognized. Since Josh was 14 when it began, it had been 4 years, thus, the statute of limitations ran out even if subsequent acts had gone on. There are many court cases where a perp has had multiple victims over a lengthy period, but only the most recent victims can take the perp to court because of the statute of limitations law. 

Each victim has a separate timeline. If he molested someone when he was 15 then that victims clock was still running. 

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1 hour ago, WhineandCheez said:

Words fail. Wait for it--Smugs is going to claim that trauma over this MADE him go to the Ashley Whorison site, instead of the real reason, which is Anna was deficient in many ways (I KID!!!!!!!)

Josh was doing all of that before In Touch came out with article about the molestation. Once the A.M. website hack came along, that was just the final nail in the coffin. 

But it wouldn't surprise me if Josh doesn't try to sue Ashley Madison as well. He has no grounds but I'm sure he and JB will think of something!!

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24 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Each victim has a separate timeline. If he molested someone when he was 15 then that victims clock was still running. 

And wasn't his last victim 5 years old and undoubtedly coached by her parents and probably not the best witness?  I presume the police were not stupid and realized that there was no way to successfully prosecute Josh without cooperative witnesses, which they did not have.  Once Josh refused to appear for questioning and lawyered up, their chances of getting justice for his brainwashed victims were essentially nil.  Happens a lot in these sorts of cases and often leads to the whole thing being dropped.

As far as this record even still existing, had Josh, his parents and their legal counsel actually cooperated with the process, they could've taken the case to its conclusion and the police records would've been sealed along with the rest of it and then expunged when Josh turned 21.  It was their own hubris that lead to this 'glitch' that resulted in the records being out there.  I'm surprised they didn't sue Josh' attorney for malpractice, too, since, had they actually cooperated with him/her; any attorney with experience with the juvenile system could've told them what to do and gotten those records destroyed years ago.

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I don't feel sorry for Anna one bit, she chose to stay with a child molester and continue to have kids with him (well this was probably not a choice but still). If I was a fundie, I wouldn't care about the backlash of divorcing him. If my husband was a child molester and I stayed with him, the backlash would be worse. I guess this is why I'm not a fundie.

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Does anyone think the family will issue a statement saying 'the rumours of Josh joining the lawsuit are false?' It's too far fetched. It could topple everything the girls tried to rebuild with Counting On, and there was quite a bit of flak over the original lawsuit with the four girls.

Either the friendly judge is going to be the one residing over the case, or they have lost their damn minds. They should NEVER have let the parents appear again. Remember how we couldn't believe it, then they were slowly brought back to centre stage. JB doesn't care about his daughters, he cares about his camera time and paycheque. 

I would love for Jeremy to find a book deal on the sly and then announce they are dropping out of the lawsuit. The rest of the family would keep the name public and the sales would benefit. Just sayin'.

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1 hour ago, ForeverPluto said:

Josh was doing all of that before In Touch came out with article about the molestation. Once the A.M. website hack came along, that was just the final nail in the coffin. 

But it wouldn't surprise me if Josh doesn't try to sue Ashley Madison as well. He has no grounds but I'm sure he and JB will think of something!!

He will probably say that AM shouldn't have had a website so it's their fault. Then he'll sue the devil next because he built a fortress around his heart.

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15 minutes ago, Annb67 said:

He will probably say that AM shouldn't have had a website so it's their fault. Then he'll sue the devil next because he built a fortress around his heart.

It wouldn't surprise me. After all, nothing is a ever a man's fault, right?

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I'm putting my bet on famewhore cousin Amy to spill the beans on the Duggars. She didn't have a problem revealing her father as her abuser and she'll get a good payout for an interview. 

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18 minutes ago, Aja said:

Just a question, if the sisters said it wasn't a big deal blah blah blah, didn't know it happened, everybody does it, how can they be re- victimized if they weren't victims in the first place? See how that happens Duggarlings? You can't say it wasn't a big deal and pasty brother was just curious and now cry "victim" because you might get some dollars. 

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I'm actually getting very curious as to how this is all going to shake down. The lawsuit is a total mess. Excerpt from the HuffPo article:

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In one breath, without actually mentioning the assaults, he refers to his abuse of his sisters as “traumatic experiences” and the “most private and painful aspects” of their lives. He then turns around and attempts to brush off repeated acts of sexual abuse as “actions he engaged in as an indiscrete youth.” In fact, the words “molestation” and “sexual assault” do not appear in Josh’s motion at all. There is not even a hint of personal responsibility for his actions in the entire motion. 

Meanwhile, his sisters Jessa and Jill previously said they had “forgiven” Josh, but the language in their lawsuit says otherwise. In the suit, the sisters state they were “sexually assaulted on several occasions by [their] brother, Josh Duggar.” The words “sexual abuse” and “sexual assault” and “molestation” are free flowing throughout the suit. It’s a far cry from how they previously characterized the incidents as “mild, inappropriate touching” when they were interviewed by Kelly. 

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Good thing Josh is in Arkansas where this lawsuit makes legal sense.

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19 hours ago, Annb67 said:

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The fuck?! Yes you insipid nasty pervert you are a social and professional pariah. You see outside of Duggarville normal people tend to frown on shitty pervs who mess with kids. So this is normal you slimy piece of shit. 

So here's a damn clue you bastard.  Crawl under your rock and stay. Your fat ass is lucky you didn't wind up in juvenile detention where they would have wiped your shitty smugness right out of you and you would have been someones bitch. Again, in the real world people dont like child molesters. Welcome to reality asshole. People actually hate you.

Anna I feel nothing for you. You are right smack in the middle of this and I hope you live a miserable life. To your kids: I'm sorry. I'm sorry you have two shits for parents. Hopefully you grow up and get the hell out. Maybe you guys can sue your parents for humiliation of having to grow up in the hellhole you have.

Post of the year.  

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If those misspellings are actually part of Smuggar's suit, which we haven't seen yet, then yes, SORDRT applies. Travis Story is a graduate of the DRT, although it must be noted that the Story kids did manage to attend college.

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13 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

If those misspellings are actually part of Smuggar's suit, which we haven't seen yet, then yes, SORDRT applies. Travis Story is a graduate of the DRT, although it must be noted that the Story kids did manage to attend college.

Minor off-topic gripe, but I am continually amazed at the amount of spelling and grammar errors I see in articles these days. This includes online sites like CNN and MSN where you'd think there'd be some level of professionalism. I guess proofreading is optional now.

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I saw this article and thought MAN I cannot wait to check out PTV!  I thought the original lawsuit was stupid because as Doodlebug mentioned the fact the records COULD be FOIA'd was because of the parents stupidity with trying to brush this under the carpet/control the situation.  Now THIS???  

A couple of things set me off.  First of all the sisters WERE victims of sexual abuse whether or not they see themselves that way and had the parents worried more about them than the golden boy this never would have hit In Touch and perhaps Josh would have stopped groping.  The girls should never have to share their lawsuit with their abuser.  This is THEIR time to ask for retribution for being done wrong (it should not be public but the ones majorly at fault are their parents, tabloids were doing what they do).  I don't think I would be very happy knowing I was being told that my abuser was joining my lawsuit.  Had he kept his digits to himself they would not be in this position.  What a fucking slimeball.  I wonder what the 5th unnamed victim thinks about the perp pretending to be the victim?

Since this selfish, gross individual has had no meaningful treatment I still believe his safety around those he can control has not been established.  If doG forbid he touches his daughters Anna will have helped facilitate this by not leaving this dangerous dumbass.  She had the knowledge and still allowed him unfettered access.  Again, since he has had no treatment I cannot assume he is safe.  Just like a dog that has bitten before, until training is handled they are not getting access to parts that can be bitten.

TLC you have a very serious choice to make.  Are you going to be known as Touching Little Children Network by allowing Josh on again?  I mean you have a horrible track record with other shows like that other fundie music playing family, Honey Boo Boo, wasn't there some cheerleader show that had some sort of sexual abuse issue?  Josh is slime and while I think his sisters are nuts JOSH AND HIS PARENTS are making things worse.  With Josh on the stand more deets are bound to come out or at least unsavory questions asked.  What a world we are living in when a sex abuser gets to claim the victim title when its only public because the family didn't do the right thing after the 1st wrong thing this sick individual perpetrated.  I need a drink.

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11 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

TLC you have a very serious choice to make.  Are you going to be known as Touching Little Children Network by allowing Josh on again?  I mean you have a horrible track record with other shows like that other fundie music playing family, Honey Boo Boo, wasn't there some cheerleader show that had some sort of sexual abuse issue?  Josh is slime and while I think his sisters are nuts JOSH AND HIS PARENTS are making things worse.  With Josh on the stand more deets are bound to come out or at least unsavory questions asked.  What a world we are living in when a sex abuser gets to claim the victim title when its only public because the family didn't do the right thing after the 1st wrong thing this sick individual perpetrated.  I need a drink.

I seriously want to meet Nancy Daniels. It would be fascinating to have a conversation with a pure sociopath. In a well-lit, heavily populated area.

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17 minutes ago, Aja said:

I seriously want to meet Nancy Daniels. It would be fascinating to have a conversation with a pure sociopath. In a well-lit, heavily populated area.

Make sure you leave us word regarding where and when so we can contact the proper authorities if we don't hear from you for a few days. 

Unless Boob has finally gone the Kardashian route by realizing trashy drama sells, I can't for the life of me figure out why they'd want Josh back on the show. Even before the scandals everyone thought he was a pompous turd, so what's there to gain? Are they hoping there will be enough sick curiosity to cause a ratings spike? 

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4 hours ago, heatherrrrz said:

I don't feel sorry for Anna one bit, she chose to stay with a child molester and continue to have kids with him (well this was probably not a choice but still). If I was a fundie, I wouldn't care about the backlash of divorcing him. If my husband was a child molester and I stayed with him, the backlash would be worse. I guess this is why I'm not a fundie.

Actually, it's worse - she chose to marry him knowing he had molested his sisters.  I don't know if it was naivety or hubris.

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"Movant’s injuries can be redressed, as much as they reasonably can be, through recovery or restitution of monetary damages and equitable relief, the award of punitive damages and attorney’s fees as will be requested"

Money will make it all better...

"... an adverse judgment would cause the injuries to his earning potential and reputation to accrue into perpetuity"

We can only hope.

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"Movant’s injuries can be redressed, as much as they reasonably can be, through recovery or restitution of monetary damages and equitable relief, the award of punitive damages and attorney’s fees as will be requested"

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"... an adverse judgment would cause the injuries to his earning potential and reputation to accrue into perpetuity"

Hm. "adverse judgment" must be a new euphemism for "being a completely unrepentant douche canoe."

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16 minutes ago, Absolom said:

There is no app at least not on a laptop.  It's a link to the document. 

I'm on on my phone, and they make you download an app to read the entire thing. What they do give you is 3 pages in itty bitty print that you can't enlarge. Boo, Scribd!

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1 minute ago, Sew Sumi said:

I'm on on my phone, and they make you download an app to read the entire thing. What they do give you is 3 pages in itty bitty print that you can't enlarge. Boo, Scribd!

That's a shame. You're missing quite a few chuckles!

Personally, I think he should get an "adverse Judgment"  and that it  be handed down with a voice from on high and a big bolt of lightning.

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1 hour ago, BitterApple said:

Minor off-topic gripe, but I am continually amazed at the amount of spelling and grammar errors I see in articles these days. This includes online sites like CNN and MSN where you'd think there'd be some level of professionalism. I guess proofreading is optional now.

Aside: not only is it optional, proofreading is a job position where many publishers, at least fictional (may be different for science or medical) presses, fired proofreaders en masse over the last 2 decades.

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8 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

The statute of limitations is 3 years minimum and can be longer if the victim is a minor. I thought Josh was 14 & 15 when it happened. At 18 in 2006, that's still within the standard 3 year limit. 

The statute of limitations regarding Josh Duggar applied from the time he reportedly went to the child-porno state trooper Joseph Hutchens, though there is no official police report of their meeting.  That meeting supposedly happened in 2003.  That's when the three-year count began.  Because no investigation was conducted then and no charges were filed within three years, the police could not act against Josh when the Oprah Winfrey show reported suspicians in December of 2006.

The state trooper was a personal friend of Jim Bob Duggar and was the official who inspected his car lot business, even though he stated in the police interogation that he simply went to the nearest police station to report Josh.  Jim Bob also says that he has a witness: a (homechurch) elder who went with Jim Bob and Josh to see Joseph Hutchens.  Jim Bob stated that this meeting took place shortly after July 17, 2003.

Of course, something just smells about all of this.  Joseph Hutchens was imprisoned on child pornography charges in 2007.  Hutchens was imprisoned for five years, then freed, but went back to prison in 2010 for similar offenses; he is now serving a 56-year sentence.  

So how is it that Jim Bob found the only law officer who was photographing naked children, buying and selling child porn, and sexually chatting with minor children on the Internet?  I've often wondered if Josh had a camera in his hand when he was in his sisters' panties.  

 

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4 hours ago, Annb67 said:
5 hours ago, ForeverPluto said:

Josh was doing all of that before In Touch came out with article about the molestation. Once the A.M. website hack came along, that was just the final nail in the coffin. 

But it wouldn't surprise me if Josh doesn't try to sue Ashley Madison as well. He has no grounds but I'm sure he and JB will think of something!!

He will probably say that AM shouldn't have had a website so it's their fault. Then he'll sue the devil next because he built a fortress around his heart.

Technically, AM is at fault because they promised privacy and security to their clients. I wonder if Josh can join this lawsuit, too? Ashley Madison Faces $578 Million Class Action Lawsuit

As for the devil, Josh was low-hanging fruit, I'm sure Old Nick didn't have to work too hard on that fortress.

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What happens if TLC says "Sorry, we can't proceed with Counting On. We have to cut ties since the backlash after the airing of the Josh online test segment." Do the girls then file a suit against Josh, JB and Mechelle? Has JB gone too far? Cancel the entire thing, have a special for Jana's wedding. 

 

something tells me JB has threatened TLC with a lawsuit of some sort along the way. 

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24 minutes ago, queenanne said:

Aside: not only is it optional, proofreading is a job position where many publishers, at least fictional (may be different for science or medical) presses, fired proofreaders en masse over the last 2 decades.

And even with CNN and MSN the articles might not be written by actual fact checking journalists and written instead by freelancers who read an article on how to make $2,000 at home on the side.

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5 hours ago, heatherrrrz said:

I don't feel sorry for Anna one bit, she chose to stay with a child molester and continue to have kids with him (well this was probably not a choice but still). If I was a fundie, I wouldn't care about the backlash of divorcing him. If my husband was a child molester and I stayed with him, the backlash would be worse. I guess this is why I'm not a fundie.

I sure as hell wouldn't be sleeping with him

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5 hours ago, Annb67 said:

Then he'll sue the devil next because he built a fortress around his heart.

And then Sting. For writing the song.

The Duggs have to get some money somehow, right? 

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2 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

And then Sting. For writing the song.

The Duggs have to get some money somehow, right? 

Well they wouldn't actually work now would they? Ha ha ha ha ha ha....a Duggar working..

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4 hours ago, BitterApple said:

The fact that Josh thinks he's entitled to a payout shows what a clueless, self-absorbed narcissist he really is. He was the one who caused this mess and emotionally damaged his sisters and he feels that he's the wronged party? Did he not see Jinger and Joy dissolving into tears every time Anna blathered on about what a tough time she's had? Did he not care that Jill practically had a nervous breakdown defending his fat ass on national TV while he hid out in Jesus Jail? It boggles my mind that after all this, he still doesn't get it. JB and Michelle raised a real winner with this one, smh.

I think that "This was my fault" isn't in the realm of possible thoughts that can be thunk by Josh, Meeechelle or JB. 

Similarly -- "I'm sorry that other person's name here has been hurt by this." 

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5 hours ago, heatherrrrz said:

I don't feel sorry for Anna one bit, she chose to stay with a child molester and continue to have kids with him (well this was probably not a choice but still). If I was a fundie, I wouldn't care about the backlash of divorcing him. If my husband was a child molester and I stayed with him, the backlash would be worse. I guess this is why I'm not a fundie.

Anna says that she knew Josh was a child molester when she married him.  Apparently that sexual perversion in his past didn't bother her.  What pissed her off was Josh's adultery, addiction to porn, and registration on dating sites while he was married to her.  To this day she probably doesn't see how all of those behavior characteristics are related.

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1 hour ago, Aja said:

I seriously want to meet Nancy Daniels. It would be fascinating to have a conversation with a pure sociopath. In a well-lit, heavily populated area.

I love your posts, Aja. Do I correctly recall - weren't you with a fundie abuser? If you're willing to sell your soul, dignity, safety, and sanity, you could walk out of that meeting with a show of your own in Counting On's timeslot!

I hope Nancy had a fucking heart attack when this story broke.

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1 hour ago, BitterApple said:

Make sure you leave us word regarding where and when so we can contact the proper authorities if we don't hear from you for a few days. 

Unless Boob has finally gone the Kardashian route by realizing trashy drama sells, I can't for the life of me figure out why they'd want Josh back on the show. Even before the scandals everyone thought he was a pompous turd, so what's there to gain? Are they hoping there will be enough sick curiosity to cause a ratings spike? 

I'd bet heavily on "yes." 

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1 minute ago, JoanArc said:

I love your posts, Aja. Do I correctly recall - weren't you with a fundie abuser? If you're willing to sell your soul, dignity, safety, and sanity, you could walk out of that meeting with a show of your own in Counting On's timeslot!

I hope Nancy had a fucking heart attack when this story broke.

Thank you, I love yours too! I was not ever with a fundie abuser, although I hate them all just as much as if I had been. :)

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1 hour ago, Schnickelfritz said:

 

Money will make it all better...

 

The central panel of the Duggar family crest. 

There's a banner at the bottom, though, that says "Unless I have to work for it." 

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1 hour ago, Sew Sumi said:

I'm on on my phone, and they make you download an app to read the entire thing. What they do give you is 3 pages in itty bitty print that you can't enlarge. Boo, Scribd!

Weird.  I'm on my phone and I read it with no problem. 

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5 hours ago, BitterApple said:

The fact that Josh thinks he's entitled to a payout shows what a clueless, self-absorbed narcissist he really is. He was the one who caused this mess and emotionally damaged his sisters and he feels that he's the wronged party? Did he not see Jinger and Joy dissolving into tears every time Anna blathered on about what a tough time she's had? Did he not care that Jill practically had a nervous breakdown defending his fat ass on national TV while he hid out in Jesus Jail? It boggles my mind that after all this, he still doesn't get it. JB and Michelle raised a real winner with this one, smh.

 

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1 hour ago, sometimesy said:

What happens if TLC says "Sorry, we can't proceed with Counting On. We have to cut ties since the backlash after the airing of the Josh online test segment." Do the girls then file a suit against Josh, JB and Mechelle? Has JB gone too far? Cancel the entire thing, have a special for Jana's wedding. 

 

something tells me JB has threatened TLC with a lawsuit of some sort along the way. 

Will TLC even AIR this segment now? I should go check out their FB to see how badly Joshley is getting slammed for this idiocy. 

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1 hour ago, Mollie said:

Anna says that she knew Josh was a child molester when she married him.  Apparently that sexual perversion in his past didn't bother her.  What pissed her off was Josh's adultery, addiction to porn, and registration on dating sites while he was married to her.  To this day she probably doesn't see how all of those behavior characteristics are related.

I watched a bit of the Smuganna wedding episode yesterday. Anna proudly proclaims that she didn't learn about what to expect on the wedding night until about two weeks before her wedding. She said to know anything sooner would be useless information. This statement leads me to believe that all Anna knew was that Smugs had "sinned" in his youth, but had repented; she only got some vague statement that didn't really explain anything. I don't think she knew the nature of the sin or that it involved her future sisters-in-law. MHO, feel free to disagree. 

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