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Marigold

Marigold

39 minutes ago, Tabbygirl521 said:

Their facial expressions in that milkshake photo give me the willies . Run, Anna 

me too! I thought it was just me.  He looks creepy and off his rocker in that picture. 

 

Sew Sumi, Yes, that article says the opposite from the headline, right? Again, i thought I was the only one who read that and said "what??"

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Someone on Reddit just described Josh’s face as a glistening glazed ham. I am considering divorcing my husband and marrying that poster. 

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Well, for many of us, it's the difference between 'imperfect' and 'non-PC' and being a criminal.  Josh is a child molester and his parents actively intervened in his situation to avoid him being punis

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The Duggars just don't go away and it is baffling. Even if Smugger, Boob and Dairy Queen don't appear this season, there will probably be another season after that. This last go round was so boring, I just don't understand the renewal. Another courtship - big deal. More babies - big deal. The Duggars have proven to be arrogant hypocrites - what is so appealing about that?

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JoanArc

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Josh might come back Depending on who you ask.

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“Josh will appear on the next season of his sisters’ series,” a source told InTouch. “The plan is for him to address everything he’s done. What he has to say will be ratings gold, and TLC — and the Duggars — know it.”

Maybe he can stand up and address Jinger's wedding reception. Instant 10-share!

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“Josh will cover everything and he will maintain the family line that God has saved his soul and guided him back to the right path,” the source said. “But one thing you probably won’t hear is that he’s actually sorry, as he believes that external forces were to blame for his behavior.”

So, Satan. The fortress guy.

 

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The Duggars have proven to be arrogant hypocrites - what is so appealing about that?

I dunno, the bar is dropped through he floor for these kidults. It's all so tragic. 'Jinger's husband can walk and talk!' 'Jill's husband can occasonally formulate a coherent sentence!'.

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Muffyn

Muffyn

23 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

They do this every year. My Wi-Fi is out right now, but I found Smuganna's gagworthy one milkshake, two straws pic from their Traditional Marriage Appreciation Day. That apparently didn't go over so well, since I don't recall them doing it again.

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Marriage = one man + one woman + one beverage

Marriage = forget ever getting your own beverage

They must be awfully thirsty at the end of the day since they seem to only drink things when they are together and can share.  They're big kids now!  They can get their own drinks! 

And yes, the look in his eyes does totally creep me out. It's like he's trying to do some kind of mind meld/hypnotism trick.  Josh is trying to become hypnotoad.  The resemblance is uncanny.  

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Aja

Aja

23 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

They do this every year. My Wi-Fi is out right now, but I found Smuganna's gagworthy one milkshake, two straws pic from their Traditional Marriage Appreciation Day. That apparently didn't go over so well, since I don't recall them doing it again.

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Marriage = Man + Woman + Hookers. And Josh is right--it doesn't get much more traditional in the fundie world than that.

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birkenstock

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TLC is only saying that he won't be part of Counting On. What if they do a "special" on his scandals and road to redemption. The network and Duggars are sly and I wouldn't put it past them. I have mixed feelings about watching Counting On because I want to support the J'girls because of the trauma and bullshit in their lives, but Jim Bob and Michelle on camera is a no go for me.  It's not the girls' fault if the series fails. It's that their parents and brother are just terrible, toxic people. 

Even if Josh isn't on camera during the series, people will know he's there behind the camera.  They'll have short updates on Anna and his walk, season of life, or whatever term they want to call it. 

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MargeGunderson

MargeGunderson

Playing along with Josh's bullcrap, if everything was Satan's doing, shouldn't it still be Josh's fault for letting Satan build the fortress in the first place? Does this mean that Satan is more powerful than God? Or that God hates Josh and let Satan win? 

I know it's futile to apply logic to the Duggars, but sometimes I like to try anyway (mostly when I'm bored).

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JoanArc

JoanArc

Just now, MargeGunderson said:

Sin is for other people, not the Duggars! Josh/Duggars released a statement that explicitly floated the Satan/fortress theory for all of Josh's troubles, so I don't know why he would back down from it now. That's not the Duggar way.

Didn't he delete that theory?  A Few minutes after it was posted. I remember there being a few crumby drafts posted then quickly taken down. Since they deleted the fortress from the Internet, it never happened. Yes, they're that dumb.

 

I get the feeling that today was about floating two trial balooons, and seeing which the public liked.

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Arwen Evenstar

Arwen Evenstar

4 minutes ago, Marigold said:

Yes, it would be Josh's fault if he allowed Satan to build a fortress in his heart or whatever nonsense he said. 

I despise Josh but I don't think this whole story is real.  The Duggars and the Gothards are huge on everything being a sin and it being YOUR fault. 

B-b-but...but..haven't you forgotten in Gothardland that it's the wife's fault if the husband strays because she wouldn't service his selfish ass one day, or that young boys get defrauded and molest their sisters if they see a diaper change or a toddler's frilly panty.

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Marigold

Marigold

True, he could be blaming this on the fact that Anna is not freaky enough for him.  I still think, seriously, that Josh takes blame. Anna might take some but Joshie will get blame also.  His ass got shipped off to the Fake Rehab so we know that Josh "had work to do in his spiritual life"  blah, blah, blah. 

I don't think will apologize or not apologize.  This time, I think Josh might keep his mouth shut. It's loose-loose for him. 

I do wonder if Josh and Anna will do an interview at some point. $$$ talks!

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Arwen Evenstar

Arwen Evenstar

11 minutes ago, Joe Jitsu913 said:

Does anyone here think that Smuggar is dumb enough to run for public office? Somehow I think his ego would allow it. 

From what we've already witnessed just in this election year, anything is possible...it's not even November...Smuggley might just try out for a vanity campaign just like his old man.

Sew Sumi

Sew Sumi

40 minutes ago, Marigold said:

Yes, it would be Josh's fault if he allowed Satan to build a fortress in his heart or whatever nonsense he said. 

I despise Josh but I don't think this whole story is real.  The Duggars and the Gothards are huge on everything being a sin and it being YOUR fault. 

I dunno with these people. They are very LIGHT on personal responsibility. Looks like Smuggar refuses to be responsible for ANY of it. 

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Arwen Evenstar

Arwen Evenstar

On July 13, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Sew Sumi said:

They do this every year. My Wi-Fi is out right now, but I found Smuganna's gagworthy one milkshake, two straws pic from their Traditional Marriage Appreciation Day. That apparently didn't go over so well, since I don't recall them doing it again.

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For fucks sake they're not fooling anyone with that Norman Rockwell bullshit... they are the antithesis of a Norman Rockwell painting ...there is nothing wholesome about Creeper

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

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16 hours ago, MargeGunderson said:

Playing along with Josh's bullcrap, if everything was Satan's doing, shouldn't it still be Josh's fault for letting Satan build the fortress in the first place? Does this mean that Satan is more powerful than God? Or that God hates Josh and let Satan win? 

I know it's futile to apply logic to the Duggars, but sometimes I like to try anyway (mostly when I'm bored).

Maybe the Duggars are such a keystone element for God's imminent goal of establishing his kingdom on Earth that Satan just tries super super hard to bring them down. Satan brought his A-game and, alas, no individual is strong enough to fully combat Satan's A-game on his or her own. You have to enlist the mighty power of Reformers Unanimous to get that job done.

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truthtalk2014

truthtalk2014

17 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

For fucks sake they're not fooling anyone with that Norman Rockwell bullshit... they are the antithesis of a Norman Rockwell painting ...there is nothing wholesome about Creeper

Maybe they are closer to Normal Rockwell than we ever imagined. If you look up the true story of NR, it is quite creepy - considering the paintings of a happy home.  

From a book about NR. http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304073204579168093680881748  "Her book's theory: Repressed sexuality, fear of women and fascination with manhood made Rockwell's art brilliant and his personal relationships troubled."    He was married three times and suffered from depression.  

Duggar Rockwell?

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

39 minutes ago, truthtalk2014 said:

Maybe they are closer to Normal Rockwell than we ever imagined. If you look up the true story of NR, it is quite creepy - considering the paintings of a happy home.  

From a book about NR. http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304073204579168093680881748  "Her book's theory: Repressed sexuality, fear of women and fascination with manhood made Rockwell's art brilliant and his personal relationships troubled."    He was married three times and suffered from depression.  

Duggar Rockwell?

Being unable or unwilling to look any facts in the face does not make for good mental health. Wish some Duggar some day would pick up on this key principle.

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Arwen Evenstar

Arwen Evenstar

2 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Being unable or unwilling to look any facts in the face does not make for good mental health. Wish some Duggar some day would pick up on this key principle.

Churchie, you've nailed it yet again! 

The only "facts" the Duggar kids understand are the ones that Boob has approved for them. Any attempt towards critical thinking or having any emotions was beaten out of them long ago.  In the event they are able to understand the extent to which they have been damaged, I hope there are enough beds at a reputable psych hospital to help give them the therapy will so desperately need.

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LocalGovt

LocalGovt

On 7/14/2016 at 2:00 PM, Muffyn said:

Marriage = one man + one woman + one beverage

Marriage = forget ever getting your own beverage

They must be awfully thirsty at the end of the day since they seem to only drink things when they are together and can share.  They're big kids now!  They can get their own drinks! 

And yes, the look in his eyes does totally creep me out. It's like he's trying to do some kind of mind meld/hypnotism trick.  Josh is trying to become hypnotoad.  The resemblance is uncanny.  

She's looking at him with that Duggar wifely adoration thing. He's looking at her like, "Meh. You again?  Maybe if you wore a wig, and I could pretend you were someone else...."

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lulu69

lulu69

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9 minutes ago, LocalGovt said:

She's looking at him with that Duggar wifely adoration thing. He's looking at her like, "Meh. You again?  Maybe if you wore a wig, and I could pretend you were someone else...."

"...aaaaand if you gave me butt sex like Danica"  (Sorry, couldn't resist)

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Sew Sumi

Sew Sumi

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The sad thing is, Smugs didn't even have to cheat. Anna was trained up to submit to her Headship in all things. Hence, if he wanted to get freaky in the sheets, according to her mother-in-law, she has to do be joyfully available, even when big pregnant. 

Yeah, THAT won't breed any resentment down the line, especially after Joshley Madison. 

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Arwen Evenstar

Arwen Evenstar

What Josh did to his sisters was unconscionable...he violated their innocence and their trust with his sly and predatory behavior...and to add insult to injury,  he basically got away with it because he was the favorite child , a male child (in Gothard speak this means woman's fault) and managed to avoid legal prosecution.

What he should have done was to say that even though he's technically innocent under the law because of his age at the time, that what he did was no less vile and predatory because his actions stole the innocence of his four sisters and the other girls (at least one or two more) and traumatized them and made them live with this shame.

He can blame Satan, the tenets of his religion, his sheltered home environment all he wants to, but his public image will never improve until he admits that he screwed up. Saying that Jesus forgave you, Josh, does not remove the "earthly consequences" of your actions.  The Apostle Paul is VERY clear about this. Cop to this part as well, and you'll get more respect from the public, that you realize you don't get an all day pass...because Jesus.

Even after extensive public shaming for the molestation and the adultery/porn scandals, Josh-u-a, you DID these things regardless of what you think ultimately drove you to do them. The courts call that 'intent'.  Your FRC position on abortion would have been that regardless of circumstances, it's still a 'choice' that shouldn't be made; you would also claim that homosexual orientation is a 'choice'.  However, when it comes to explaining YOUR behaviors, it's anything but a 'choice'. We'd believe that if someone held a pistol to your head and forced you to molest your sisters, commit adultery, and watch porn.

 Though adultery and watching porn (as long as everyone is of legal age) are not technically illegal, no one would really care that you did those things, particularly since it's a way of life in Hollywood and a good part of suburbia. Had you not made it your life's work to deny women access to birth control and other matters of reproductive decisions and to marginalize and demean the dignity and humanity of the LGBTQ community, then we too would have looked the other way. 

Your sin has found you out as the old pastoral admonition says...deal with it.  But still, even to this day, you seem to show no remorse for your choices and actions. The first step to your redemption would be showing us some remorse and being accountable for your actions.  You know, "accountability " should be a word you're well familiar with. It's more than just snitching on your siblings. Your moniker, Smuggar, is richly deserved.

Until you realize, you have harmed your sisters, the other young ladies  and poor Anna, all the talking heads on your behalf on TLC mean nothing. You have also poisoned the family brand, so the lonely Js are now going to stay lonely longer. 

Reposted on SmugAnna ; this was posted on lonely Js until I realized I was on the wrong thread but it was too far in to change course and I was afraid I'd lose it.

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Muffyn

Muffyn

On ‎7‎/‎14‎/‎2016 at 4:33 PM, JoanArc said:

Didn't he delete that theory?  A Few minutes after it was posted. I remember there being a few crumby drafts posted then quickly taken down. Since they deleted the fortress from the Internet, it never happened. Yes, they're that dumb.

 

I get the feeling that today was about floating two trial balooons, and seeing which the public liked.

Next time I go to the cardiologist I am going to ask if the devil built a fortress in my heart.  Would that account for arrhythmia?

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Arwen Evenstar

Arwen Evenstar

21 minutes ago, Muffyn said:

Next time I go to the cardiologist I am going to ask if the devil built a fortress in my heart.  Would that account for arrhythmia?

I guess if the cardiologist sees a fortress on the ultrasound, it would then be irrefutable proof. 

After all Sting sung about it...damn Duggars...ruined a good song

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Sew Sumi

Sew Sumi

1 hour ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

I guess if the cardiologist sees a fortress on the ultrasound, it would then be irrefutable proof. 

After all Sting sung about it...damn Duggars...ruined a good song

 

If Sting built anything anywhere near Smuggar, I'd eat my hat. Although Sting COULD teach these fuckwit fundie men a thing or fifty about pleasing your partner. 

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CofCinci

CofCinci

10 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

That's right, Lulu! It's all about conceiving the next blessing. Women don't need pleasure.

Yeah. Women don't need pleasure during sex. They get their pleasure from motherhood. Barf. 

What Josh did to his sisters was unconscionable...he violated their innocence and their trust with his sly and predatory behavior...and to add insult to injury,  he basically got away with it because he was the favorite child , a male child (in Gothard speak this means woman's fault) and managed to avoid legal prosecution.

Josh didn't get away with it. He had to rehab that old Hobby Lobby into a church. Through hard work he learned the error of his ways. Oh, wait...

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Arwen Evenstar

Arwen Evenstar

4 hours ago, CofCinci said:

Yeah. Women don't need pleasure during sex. They get their pleasure from motherhood. Barf. 

 

 

Josh didn't get away with it. He had to rehab that old Hobby Lobby into a church. Through hard work he learned the error of his ways. Oh, wait...

Josh avoided prosecution because of his father's machinations.  JBs stint in politics had him in touch with the right people, as well as citing religious freedom for his aversion to "real therapy" and to deal with it as he saw fit (as in family and church discipline) basically kept law enforcement out of it, other than a "stern lecture" from another perv.

This wasn't a one time thing from a sheltered boy "too curious", this was 4 sisters, at least one or two other girls, and years of repeated abuse...and by Jim Bob's admission, a systemic problem within their religious community. It was like it was no big deal to them.  So, yeah, Smuggs got away with it to some degree. 

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