Lemur September 16, 2015 Share September 16, 2015 I don't want to psychoanalyze Josh because quite frankly, I'm not qualified and it's not like he's had a normal childhood or comes from normal genetic stock. I just want to know where he's hiding out. Is he really at Fundytown Rehab? Is he holed up in one of JB's warehouses full of old, used clothes? Has he flown the coop entirely? Does Clown Car have a price out on his head? *That's* what I want to know. 13 Link to comment
DoctorWhovian September 17, 2015 Share September 17, 2015 There is no evidence Josh has a serious addiction, all the evidence points to Josh just needing a healthy way to explore sex. Touching young girls as a teenager was wrong, but would he have done that if his parents allowed him to go to a normal school meet girls his age and have contact with girls. I don't know the answer to that, but he has not touch young girls since his marriage (that we know of). All the reports now are of Josh using age appropriate prostitutes wrong but maybe if he was allowed to be a young single guy just dating and having consensual sex with a partner he would not need the prostitutes. Hell, just an understanding that masturbation is totally normal and ok. 6 Link to comment
Churchhoney September 17, 2015 Share September 17, 2015 (edited) Hell, just an understanding that masturbation is totally normal and ok. Yeah, I agree. With all the Duggar kids, it's really hard to tell how they might behave differently if their perceptions of pretty much everything hadn't been warped in horrible ways from the very beginning. In that regard, I don't think the Josh situation is very different from the whole Jill-missionary flap that's going on. I find I can't really conclude much at all about the kids' ethics or levels of psychological warpedness or whatever because the basic ideas that were continually drummed into their heads from day one about things like sex and religion and money were just so so so so so messed up. The bases that they start from are just dead wrong in so many ways that it's hard to see what's at the root of their odd behavior as adults. Edited September 17, 2015 by Churchhoney 6 Link to comment
JoanArc September 17, 2015 Share September 17, 2015 Hell, just an understanding that masturbation is totally normal and ok. Or an acknowledgement that adolescence actually exists. 7 Link to comment
Anne Elk September 17, 2015 Share September 17, 2015 It's possible, maybe even probable, that Josh would have been an awful person no matter who brought him up. But I think the peculiarly sexual focus of his problems is the fault of the extreme patriarchal beliefs he was raised with. I'm sure it was terrible for him trying to go through adolescence surrounded by the mindfuck that is the Duggars' beliefs about sex. But the pattern he's established is that he just takes what he wants sexually no matter how wrong and hurtful it is to everyone around him. He gives public speeches about the proper way to respect women when his actions show that he obviously does not respect women at all. And that, I believe, is the result of being raised by parents and a culture with a mania for sexual purity, and the insistence that women are only godly and fulfilled when they are being totally controlled by men. Minus that, Josh is just another smug small-time grifter like Daddy. Josh did need to go through a normal adolescence. Not so much because he needed to be looking at porn or masturbating, but because that is when most boys learn that women are actually people and not things to be manipulated. An average teenager would have female friends or acquaintances, would be working and learning with women, would have gone on dates and would have seen how other men around him respect women as people. Josh got none of that. 23 Link to comment
GeeGolly September 17, 2015 Share September 17, 2015 The little bits of Gothard rhetoric I have read gives such conflicting messages about women. Men are supposed to revere and protect women. Yet women should never say no to a man, nor be smarter or more successful than men. They suspend women in a childlike position and put all the pressure on the man to make all decisions and financially support the family. So not only are they not socialized properly, they are sent continuous idiotic (IMO) messages regarding women and sex. Their fragile egos are so protected that when they're exposed to the real world they can't make sense of all these capable strong woman who rely on no one but themselves, which in the end must emasculate the Gothard males. And what better way for the emasculated man to prove to himself that he is THE man but by acting out sexually. 12 Link to comment
Quilt Fairy September 18, 2015 Share September 18, 2015 Hell, just an understanding that masturbation is totally normal and ok. This subject always reminds me of a very dramatic scene in the movie Kinsey where Kinsey's rigid, authoritarian father agrees to be interviewed about his sex history and describes how he had a 'particular problem' as a young boy (circa 1900) which was 'cured' by putting him in a leather harness so he could not access certain parts of his body. Anyone else know the scene I'm talking about? It's chilling. 7 Link to comment
Micks Picks September 18, 2015 Share September 18, 2015 (edited) And when the marriage ends for whatever reason, including death of the husband, what then? If I was a single man I would not be looking for a used up widow with however many kids. Why would I? So now what is she to do? Put the kids in day care and work at the mustang ranch? Maybe this is how we get polygamy. The brother is expected to care for the wife. Happened in the bible. But it makes nobody happy. Not even the Islamic crowd. Things get kind of tight. They have not in their world established plural marriage, as seen in several shows I believe on TLC. One show was actually quite good but only did one season. Darn. The name may have been Polygamy USA and they had to pay to have water come from their nearest plug town or go there and pump it themselves. Then even though they were related to everybody in the other town, and in fact used to be the same people and practiced polygamy just the same, they were followed and spied upon. Jim Bob has quite a nice thing going and may in the end start up with the beginnings of a system that bears some relationship to this. One Dugger no good, fine plenty more unmarried sons. Take the woman whether you want her or not. Intersting from a sociological, anthropological perspective. Edited September 18, 2015 by Micks Picks 4 Link to comment
lulee September 18, 2015 Share September 18, 2015 What's the over/under on Josh serving his whole sentence -- I mean staying the stated length of pray-the-extracurricular-lays-away rehab? Link to comment
CofCinci September 18, 2015 Share September 18, 2015 What's the over/under on Josh serving his whole sentence -- I mean staying the stated length of pray-the-extracurricular-lays-away rehab?Josh will stay as long as his daddy wants him to stay. 5 Link to comment
Fuzzysox September 18, 2015 Share September 18, 2015 R U ready for tonight's episode of longer and deeper bible belting with a rehab purpose?? 5 Link to comment
Lemur September 18, 2015 Share September 18, 2015 Josh will stay as long as his daddy wants him to stay. Is he actually there? Did we confirm this and I missed it? 1 Link to comment
JoanArc September 18, 2015 Share September 18, 2015 The brother is expected to care for the wife. Happened in the bible. But it makes nobody happy. Not even the Islamic crowd. Muslim polygamy came as a result of many of the men being killed, and the women needing honorable protection. Not that bad really, but definitely not going to fly in the modern world. 2 Link to comment
Defrauder September 18, 2015 Share September 18, 2015 I think Josh has good reason to tell JB to F-off only because Josh spent his entire childhood crammed into the original house with 14 plus kids sharing 2 bedrooms, plus Josh being the oldest boy put in the most amount of work on the TTH and got the least benefit from it. Not a Josh fan and not a JB fan but I don't see why Josh wouldn't tell JB to get the F out of his life - except that Josh has been instructed that he must honor his father and mother or burn in hell. 3 Link to comment
Oldernowiser September 18, 2015 Share September 18, 2015 Josh will stay as long as his daddy wants him to stay. Sometimes I get this image of JimBob and Josh headlocked in an endless codependent cycle of coercion. JB threatens to cut him off without a dime if Josh doesn't finish Jesus Redemption school. Then Josh threatens to tell the world about how life really was growing up in Duggarland. Rinse, repeat. They need each other, if they're ever again going to have a tiny hope of getting the easy money...but I wouldn't be at all surprised if by now they also loathe each other. 8 Link to comment
Churchhoney September 18, 2015 Share September 18, 2015 I think Josh has good reason to tell JB to F-off only because Josh spent his entire childhood crammed into the original house with 14 plus kids sharing 2 bedrooms, plus Josh being the oldest boy put in the most amount of work on the TTH and got the least benefit from it. Not a Josh fan and not a JB fan but I don't see why Josh wouldn't tell JB to get the F out of his life - except that Josh has been instructed that he must honor his father and mother or burn in hell. I agree with you, except that I think that in addition to being worried about eternal fire, Josh may also be worried about having access to adequate cash during his earthly existence. I would bet that, like most of the Duggars, he has pretty much zero work ethic and no energy (together with no education or training and not much of a resume) and may be as scared to let go of Jim Bob's teat of support -- for him and the wife and four kids he'd likely be stuck supporting forever, even in the case of a divorce, if he left the Duggar fold -- as he is of being damned. Fear of work, fear of poverty, and fear of hellfire all combined are a pretty powerful incentive to remain in place, I would guess. 4 Link to comment
sometimesy September 18, 2015 Share September 18, 2015 Sometimes I get this image of JimBob and Josh headlocked in an endless codependent cycle of coercion. JB threatens to cut him off without a dime if Josh doesn't finish Jesus Redemption school. Then Josh threatens to tell the world about how life really was growing up in Duggarland. Rinse, repeat. They need each other, if they're ever again going to have a tiny hope of getting the easy money...but I wouldn't be at all surprised if by now they also loathe each other. Can Josh use the threat of a Tell-All? If there is a pending lawsuit he has to keep his mouth shut. Josh has to offer his throat to that wolf JB. 1 Link to comment
drafan September 18, 2015 Share September 18, 2015 Not a Josh fan and not a JB fan but I don't see why Josh wouldn't tell JB to get the F out of his life - except that Josh has been instructed that he must honor his father and mother or burn in hell. .........yeah, the 'hell' the rest of us live in every day...the one without a TV show, a cushy job, fame, money, magazine covers, Hummers, trips, Invisalign braces, personal trainers, Coach purses, etc. I suspect JB is plotting the redemption tour as we speak. Can't wait to see how this "little snafu" will be waved away. 2 Link to comment
kokapetl September 18, 2015 Share September 18, 2015 I think the money earnt from the TV show was, in a way, legitimately earnt by Josh and Anna. Their lives were rather mundane, but their slice of the profits would've been pretty minuscule compared to how the production company and the network profited from their mundane lives. Leased Hummers are always a bad idea, but Anna legitimately earnt the money for that crap by letting a camera crew see her nude and up close giving birth on the toilet, amongst other things. 1 Link to comment
Marigold September 18, 2015 Share September 18, 2015 any confirmation on where Joshie is? I'm so annoyed he is under the radar. 2 Link to comment
MonicaM September 18, 2015 Share September 18, 2015 I think the money earnt from the TV show was, in a way, legitimately earnt by Josh and Anna. Their lives were rather mundane, but their slice of the profits would've been pretty minuscule compared to how the production company and the network profited from their mundane lives. Leased Hummers are always a bad idea, but Anna legitimately earnt the money for that crap by letting a camera crew see her nude and up close giving birth on the toilet, amongst other things. Please tell me you are joking or exaggerating. I never watched the show, but just reading this sentence is causing me mental agony!! If it is true, how does letting your most intimate moments be captured on film for public consumption reconcile with the ultra modest lifestyle they're supposed to be living? 5 Link to comment
jschoolgirl September 18, 2015 Share September 18, 2015 Is he actually there? Did we confirm this and I missed it? I imagine he is at prayaway camp, but sitting out of camera range (or watching the livestream) and is allowed to forego activities where they leave the institution. 1 Link to comment
SomePity1066 September 18, 2015 Share September 18, 2015 Please tell me you are joking or exaggerating. I never watched the show, but just reading this sentence is causing me mental agony!! If it is true, how does letting your most intimate moments be captured on film for public consumption reconcile with the ultra modest lifestyle they're supposed to be living? Yes, it is, unfortunately, 100% true - Anna gave birth while on the toilet at home. It was Jana or Jill, I believe, that "caught" the baby before, uh...splashdown. It was all filmed, very poorly pixelated, and, to this day, makes me cringe to even think about it. So, yeah, for all the blah blah blah about being the Queens of Modesty Mountain, the TLC cameras captured her essentially naked from the waist down on a toilet. It's mind-numbingly incongruous that everyone gets the vapors if someone shows a freaking kneecap, but if you're having a baby we all get to discover firsthand whether or not Anna needs a bikini wax. 15 Link to comment
leighroda September 18, 2015 Share September 18, 2015 Is it too late to join the chat? I know it's separate but I don't remember who set it up and who we are supposed to pm. Link to comment
GeeGolly September 18, 2015 Share September 18, 2015 Is it too late to join the chat? I know it's separate but I don't remember who set it up and who we are supposed to pm. I'm not sure, but I think it is CofCinci. I'm not sure if I'm spelling it right though. 1 Link to comment
CofCinci September 19, 2015 Share September 19, 2015 Send me your email address and I can send you an invite to the slack. There are a few of us in there nnow. Link to comment
Cherrio September 19, 2015 Share September 19, 2015 Topic of sermon tonight: Dead flies and dead crunchy frogs by Dr. Crabbs. Barf 1 Link to comment
CofCinci September 19, 2015 Share September 19, 2015 RU livestream update: Possible Josh in maroon colored polo, but they barely showed the audience this week. One factor that made it is the "worst week ever." Many of us are only giving it one more week. 2 Link to comment
Julia September 19, 2015 Share September 19, 2015 Topic of sermon tonight: Dead flies and dead crunchy frogs by Dr. Crabbs. Crunchy raw unboned real dead frogs. 2 Link to comment
Cherrio September 19, 2015 Share September 19, 2015 Crunchy raw unboned real dead frogs. Poor Jeremiah, he was a friend of mine. :( 18 Link to comment
Micks Picks September 19, 2015 Share September 19, 2015 My RU service was down all during the frogs and flies but I still say if they let the frogs eat the flies the frogs wouldn't be dead. It's what they do and they are good at it. Amen. 7 Link to comment
MyPeopleAreNordic September 19, 2015 Share September 19, 2015 Yes, it is, unfortunately, 100% true - Anna gave birth while on the toilet at home. It was Jana or Jill, I believe, that "caught" the baby before, uh...splashdown. It was all filmed, very poorly pixelated, and, to this day, makes me cringe to even think about it. So, yeah, for all the blah blah blah about being the Queens of Modesty Mountain, the TLC cameras captured her essentially naked from the waist down on a toilet. It's mind-numbingly incongruous that everyone gets the vapors if someone shows a freaking kneecap, but if you're having a baby we all get to discover firsthand whether or not Anna needs a bikini wax. I didn't see this episode ever (I've seen few episodes, but keep up on the snark here and elsewhere). So are there female cameramen who shot this? Cause if so, um, yeah....I don't see how the Duggars can reconcile that with their modesty. I'm tempted to ask what Josh was doing and where he was while his sisters were catching his baby that Anna had over the toilet. 3 Link to comment
EarlGreyTea September 19, 2015 Share September 19, 2015 (edited) I didn't see this episode ever (I've seen few episodes, but keep up on the snark here and elsewhere). So are there female cameramen who shot this? Cause if so, um, yeah....I don't see how the Duggars can reconcile that with their modesty. I'm tempted to ask what Josh was doing and where he was while his sisters were catching his baby that Anna had over the toilet. I don't think so. Not for M1, anyway. I remember because there's a shot of Jim the cameraman holding Mackynzie shortly after her birth. In fact, I don't think I remember ever seeing a female crew member. Except that one time Jenny used her toy horsie and pretended it was a boom mic. It was an adorable moment but probably squashed because wimmin can't be getting ideas about careers. Josh's napping while Anna was in labor and all the women were sitting up with her is the moment that cemented my hatred for him. I understand he was tired, but it was a bit much for me, especially when Jill, Jana, Michelle, etc. were probably all exhausted too. Edited September 19, 2015 by EarlGreyTea 5 Link to comment
cheatincheetos September 19, 2015 Share September 19, 2015 Topic of sermon tonight: Dead flies and dead crunchy frogs by Dr. Crabbs. Barf They talked about the Ten Plagues? Link to comment
cheatincheetos September 19, 2015 Share September 19, 2015 RU livestream update: Possible Josh in maroon colored polo, but they barely showed the audience this week. One factor that made it is the "worst week ever." Many of us are only giving it one more week. Clearly they decided that it was 'defrauding' to show so much of the audience, and needed to practice more audience modesty. 1 Link to comment
GeeGolly September 19, 2015 Share September 19, 2015 Do you guys think RU is doing a tight shot because Josh is there? Or because he is not and they want to keep the increased interest? 2 Link to comment
mbutterfly September 19, 2015 Share September 19, 2015 I was just reading back on the European Vacation thread. That is when Anna woke Josh up to announce her surprise that she was pregnant. People then were discussing what I saw too. She literally surprised him (out of probably a deep sleep) with the cameras rolling. He couldn't even pretend he was happy. Interesting in light of now. We were all so sympathetic with him. 1 Link to comment
drafan September 19, 2015 Share September 19, 2015 I was just reading back on the European Vacation thread. That is when Anna woke Josh up to announce her surprise that she was pregnant. People then were discussing what I saw too. She literally surprised him (out of probably a deep sleep) with the cameras rolling. He couldn't even pretend he was happy. Interesting in light of now. We were all so sympathetic with him. Yeah, Anna woke him from a deep sleep and he was probably surprised that it wasn't one of his hookers. No, seriously, that was the stagiest staged thing that was ever staged..... and such bad "acting"...it was probably Take 26 and he was tired from being up all night with internet porn. 5 Link to comment
Defrauder September 19, 2015 Share September 19, 2015 I agree with you, except that I think that in addition to being worried about eternal fire, Josh may also be worried about having access to adequate cash during his earthly existence. I would bet that, like most of the Duggars, he has pretty much zero work ethic and no energy (together with no education or training and not much of a resume) and may be as scared to let go of Jim Bob's teat of support -- for him and the wife and four kids he'd likely be stuck supporting forever, even in the case of a divorce, if he left the Duggar fold -- as he is of being damned. Fear of work, fear of poverty, and fear of hellfire all combined are a pretty powerful incentive to remain in place, I would guess. I think when Josh was a teenager growing up with 14 kids in 2 bedrooms and being forced to work on the TTH for JB he had to work. Also, unless he was born with the ability to read and write I disagree about Josh 'having no education'. I don't believe that public school is the only resource or the exclusive definition of 'education'. I do think that Josh has been so entrenched in his very large family that it would be difficult for him to cut the strings. I have to wonder though if that would be his ultimate dream - to just be rid of it all. 1 Link to comment
GeeGolly September 19, 2015 Share September 19, 2015 I think when Josh was a teenager growing up with 14 kids in 2 bedrooms and being forced to work on the TTH for JB he had to work. Also, unless he was born with the ability to read and write I disagree about Josh 'having no education'. I don't believe that public school is the only resource or the exclusive definition of 'education'. I do think that Josh has been so entrenched in his very large family that it would be difficult for him to cut the strings. I have to wonder though if that would be his ultimate dream - to just be rid of it all. True about public schooling, but in this day & age most would need a college degree or a specific trade to comfortably support a family of 6, neither of which Josh has. 4 Link to comment
Julia September 19, 2015 Share September 19, 2015 Clearly they decided that it was 'defrauding' to show so much of the audience, and needed to practice more audience modesty. Well, good. It was a gross invasion of privacy to begin with. 7 Link to comment
Defrauder September 19, 2015 Share September 19, 2015 True about public schooling, but in this day & age most would need a college degree or a specific trade to comfortably support a family of 6, neither of which Josh has. Than a college degree or a specific trade isn't out of reach. Isn't it one of the Duggar guy's who is piloting a plane? I don't think Josh is incapable of supporting his family although being shoved into pray away camp really limits those options. In the end it's up to Josh if he's going to stay in Duggarland under JB's thumb or not. He has options and those options depend upon whether he's going to break Duggar or not. I suppose I am defensive about those who haven't been educated in a public school environment being labeled as 'having no education'. My education was not limited to public school (for reasons other than religious) and I do not consider myself as 'having no education'. I know you weren't the one to say that originally but I just want to explain why I feel the way I do. Link to comment
3girlsforus September 19, 2015 Share September 19, 2015 Than a college degree or a specific trade isn't out of reach. Isn't it one of the Duggar guy's who is piloting a plane? I don't think Josh is incapable of supporting his family although being shoved into pray away camp really limits those options. In the end it's up to Josh if he's going to stay in Duggarland under JB's thumb or not. He has options and those options depend upon whether he's going to break Duggar or not. I suppose I am defensive about those who haven't been educated in a public school environment being labeled as 'having no education'. My education was not limited to public school (for reasons other than religious) and I do not consider myself as 'having no education'. I know you weren't the one to say that originally but I just want to explain why I feel the way I do. Josh has options but with each poor choice they become more and more limited. His parents limited him by not encouraging further education. Obviously I'm a proponent of homeschooling but I am not in support of believing advanced education unnecessary therefore declaring none of the 19 kids will get one. Josh probably had a better homeschooling experience than his younger siblings are getting because he was early on before Michele checked out completely. Because of that he could have gone to college of some sort. But he didn't because mom and dad didn't want him to. But that is all in the past. He's an adult now and has to deal with his limitations and the choices he has made. He chose to marry Anna. He chose to have 4 children. He chose to go online for porn and hookers which would have cost him his DC job even if the molestation had never come out. I say that to point out that although he lost his job for something he did as a teen, he still would have lost his job for something he did as an adult. He's still making bad choices. His world didn't fall apart because his past was discovered. So now he must choose what to do about it all. He could get an education. Would it be easy? Of course not but that's the bed he made for himself. He could go to trade school. Again it wouldn't be easy and it probably wouldn't be a job he'd like. But he chose to have a family and to flush a good job that allowed him to support them so now he has to deal with that. He has options. His limitations won't be because he was homeschooled. They will be because his parents suck and Josh is lazy. 12 Link to comment
Defrauder September 19, 2015 Share September 19, 2015 Josh has options but with each poor choice they become more and more limited. His parents limited him by not encouraging further education. Obviously I'm a proponent of homeschooling but I am not in support of believing advanced education unnecessary therefore declaring none of the 19 kids will get one. Josh probably had a better homeschooling experience than his younger siblings are getting because he was early on before Michele checked out completely. Because of that he could have gone to college of some sort. But he didn't because mom and dad didn't want him to. But that is all in the past. He's an adult now and has to deal with his limitations and the choices he has made. He chose to marry Anna. He chose to have 4 children. He chose to go online for porn and hookers which would have cost him his DC job even if the molestation had never come out. I say that to point out that although he lost his job for something he did as a teen, he still would have lost his job for something he did as an adult. He's still making bad choices. His world didn't fall apart because his past was discovered. So now he must choose what to do about it all. He could get an education. Would it be easy? Of course not but that's the bed he made for himself. He could go to trade school. Again it wouldn't be easy and it probably wouldn't be a job he'd like. But he chose to have a family and to flush a good job that allowed him to support them so now he has to deal with that. He has options. His limitations won't be because he was homeschooled. They will be because his parents suck and Josh is lazy. What a great post. Very insightful. Link to comment
3girlsforus September 19, 2015 Share September 19, 2015 In her own words Priscilla Waller describes her thoughts and feelings when she accepted David Waller's courtship: I cried out to the Lord as I headed back to the lodge: “Lord, I know that love is not an emotion! Please show me what you are doing.” Jogging down the road, the Lord reminded me of the road He trod to Calvary. That was certainly not a road of emotion. He prayed three times that, if it was possible, to have this cup pass from Him. However, God so loved the world that He sent His only son to lay down His life for us. True, sincere love is not an emotion, but it is laying down your life. I needed to lay down my life, my plans, my future, my all so that together, we could go farther for God. I'm bringing this quote over here because I think it has a lot to say about Anna and what kind of support, or lack there of, she is probably getting from her parents. This quote is what Priscilla Keller, Anna's sister, wrote concerning her feelings when she accepted the courtship with David Waller. It's posted in her blog so you know her parents knew that she was hoping this wasn't a path she had to follow and yet they encouraged her to court and marry this guy anyway. These are the same parents many here are hoping will support Anna. If there was any thought that the senior Kellers would put their daughter and grandchildren above their beliefs this puts it to rest for me. They don't care if she's happy, just as long as she doesn't get divorced or stop having babies or speak poorly of her husband or otherwise shame the Gothard lifestyle. 11 Link to comment
JoanArc September 19, 2015 Share September 19, 2015 Lord, I know that love is not an emotion! Holy. Shit. 13 Link to comment
Julia September 19, 2015 Share September 19, 2015 Holy. Shit. inorite? I just don't get this at all. If Jesus was not incarnated as a human, with all the standard human traits like wanting not to be tortured to death or not wanting his mom to watch him being tortured to death, what exactly did He sacrifice and how does it redeem us and why do we owe Him our lives over it? It's like the Gothard lifestyle is so offensive to the basic instincts of human nature that they have to turn God into Marvin, the paranoid deity to justify it. 11 Link to comment
Wellfleet September 19, 2015 Share September 19, 2015 Josh has options but with each poor choice they become more and more limited. His parents limited him by not encouraging further education. Obviously I'm a proponent of homeschooling but I am not in support of believing advanced education unnecessary therefore declaring none of the 19 kids will get one. Josh probably had a better homeschooling experience than his younger siblings are getting because he was early on before Michele checked out completely. Because of that he could have gone to college of some sort. But he didn't because mom and dad didn't want him to. But that is all in the past. He's an adult now and has to deal with his limitations and the choices he has made. He chose to marry Anna. He chose to have 4 children. He chose to go online for porn and hookers which would have cost him his DC job even if the molestation had never come out. I say that to point out that although he lost his job for something he did as a teen, he still would have lost his job for something he did as an adult. He's still making bad choices. His world didn't fall apart because his past was discovered. So now he must choose what to do about it all. He could get an education. Would it be easy? Of course not but that's the bed he made for himself. He could go to trade school. Again it wouldn't be easy and it probably wouldn't be a job he'd like. But he chose to have a family and to flush a good job that allowed him to support them so now he has to deal with that. He has options. His limitations won't be because he was homeschooled. They will be because his parents suck and Josh is lazy. Bingo. And soon it'll be time to choose again. As Dumbledore said, "We must all face the choice between what is right and what is easy..."So - what's it gonna be, Josh? 8 Link to comment
SomePity1066 September 19, 2015 Share September 19, 2015 In her own words Priscilla Waller describes her thoughts and feelings when she accepted David Waller's courtship: I cried out to the Lord as I headed back to the lodge: “Lord, I know that love is not an emotion! Please show me what you are doing.” Jogging down the road, the Lord reminded me of the road He trod to Calvary. That was certainly not a road of emotion. He prayed three times that, if it was possible, to have this cup pass from Him. However, God so loved the world that He sent His only son to lay down His life for us. True, sincere love is not an emotion, but it is laying down your life. I needed to lay down my life, my plans, my future, my all so that together, we could go farther for God. Jesus on a cracker ! Did Franz Kafka come back from the grave to write courtship announcements ?! Damn, that was BLEAK... I'm gonna need a Prozac if I want to read that again. 15 Link to comment
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