Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Minivanessa]

39 minutes ago, lookeyloo said:

Anna hasn't told Josh.  Does anyone think by having a magazine article it will stay a secret?  I don't think this is real except they are terrified of a deposition.

It's a non-story. Anna may be visiting lawyer "within the next week or so" to discuss a divorce. They aren't claiming that she will, just that she might.

I believe they're all [JB, Michelle, Josh, and Anna] scared of depositions, and I don't feel sorry for any of them - including Anna.

Edited February 3, 2017 by Jeeves

[sometimesy]

Anna really portrayed herself well her last appearance. She seems to be a thoughtful and loving mother. She has ditched the woe is me, down-to-the-side look. Not saying she isn't feeling that, just that she isn't trying so hard to sell it for the audience. It makes me feel more sympathy for her and her children.

[Arwen Evenstar]

4 hours ago, sometimesy said:

Anna really portrayed herself well her last appearance. She seems to be a thoughtful and loving mother. She has ditched the woe is me, down-to-the-side look. Not saying she isn't feeling that, just that she isn't trying so hard to sell it for the audience. It makes me feel more sympathy for her and her children.

Considering what poor Anna went thru, I had no problem with the teary eyed talking heads.  She believes she has to stay married to this disgusting piece of offal ... because years or indoctrination...I'd look beaten down too if that was my life. 

She  looks happier, but it seems it's because she finds more fulfillment with her children than Smuggley .  Her kids follow her like ducklings following a mommy duck.

[Marshmallow Mollie]

I have a theory that Pa Keller married Anna off to Josh to put his money where his mouth is, so to speak. PA Keller's ministry is with prisoners. Surely he believes in redemption. I think he married Anna off as proof of his belief in redemption. 

I don't think I really explained that well, but hopefully you get my point. 

[abstractstuff]

Pa and Ma Keller creep me out more than anyone else in the clan. Ma, because she chose Pa. And Pa, well, he just oozes everything about a human being that creeps me out. I can't even handle watching him speak. I watched the wedding and the grape juice bull and just his affect, voice, look, everything. He reminds me of a certain type of person that when I see a mugshot of someone who looks like him on the news, 9 times out of 10, I know what they did. Shudders.

[Sew Sumi]

I still can't believe that Pa Keller is only 57. Ma Keller is actually a little older (59ish?). I only mention this because my husband is also 57, and he looks NOTHING like Pa Keller. And he even identifies as a Christian! No one would guess my husband's age correctly, as no one would guess Mike Keller's age correctly, but in his case, for the wrong reasons. 

I was thinking about the Kellers today, because Suze posted a pic of Noelle recognizing her 4th birthday. Then I thought about how the Kellers might think about Suze's life since she got pregnant out of wedlock and has lived with her boyfriend in sin for a few years. I think of the two sons trapped since Suze's break for freedom. Then I think of Anna, Prissy, and Esther and want to cry for them. The senior Kellers have ruined lives by selling these daughters due to their fathers who are snake oil salesmen or rabid Gothardites. Or both. 

[Arwen Evenstar]

1 hour ago, Marshmallow Mollie said:

I have a theory that Pa Keller married Anna off to Josh to put his money where his mouth is, so to speak. PA Keller's ministry is with prisoners. Surely he believes in redemption. I think he married Anna off as proof of his belief in redemption. 

I don't think I really explained that well, but hopefully you get my point. 

You explained it perfectly.  Many people believe in redemption, as it is an article of faith, so I could see Pa Keller honestly believing that Josh was remorseful and had done his penance. He may not have ever again repeated what he did as a teenager, but Pa Keller didn't bargain for Josh to do what he did to Anna. It leads me to wonder how thoroughly Josh was vetted...was it simply "because Jesus", or did Jim Bob do a good enough PR job to convince Pa that Anna would be safe with Josh?

We've all made mistakes and have been thankful for second...third...chances to redeem ourselves personally, professionally, or to atone for criminal behavior.  

People with criminal records often reoffend because no one will hire them or rent them an apartment, and rationalize the return to prison to mean that they will at least get food and shelter there.  Anyone who used a gun to commit a crime  or a sex offender is going to have a tougher time than a petty thief. Usually prison ministries (if they have a lot of funding or partners) will connect people in their program to second chance opportunities or affordable housing to ease their transition back into society.

Edited February 4, 2017 by Arwen Evenstar
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[GeeGolly]

Many prisons are offering more rehabilitation services rather than being solely punitive, because it can reduce recidivism. 

However prison has a similar effect on folks as do cults. After many years of 3 hots and a cot, never really paying a bill or changing a light bulb, many folks who are released from prison have a hard time just adjusting to life, even with support. Much like a Duggar or Keller might struggle. And Josh's father-in-law probably has a hard time recognizing the parallels to his kid's upbringing.

I agree with @Marshmallow Mollie and @Arwen Evenstar that Pa Keller did think he was marrying Anna off to a man who had repented and was living a Christian life, and was probably as surprised as Anna when Josh went rogue. I wonder how the Kellers feel about Josh now and if it's awkward when he's around.

[Arwen Evenstar]

14 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

 

However prison has a similar effect on folks as do cults. After many years of 3 hots and a cot, never really paying a bill or changing a light bulb, many folks who are released from prison have a hard time just adjusting to life, even with support. Much like a Duggar or Keller might struggle. And Josh's father-in-law probably has a hard time recognizing the parallels to his kid's upbringing.

 

You make a really excellent point. This just occurred to me that the Duggar compound isn't much different from prison..except they open the gate and the kids come back

17 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

 

However prison has a similar effect on folks as do cults. After many years of 3 hots and a cot, never really paying a bill or changing a light bulb, many folks who are released from prison have a hard time just adjusting to life, even with support. Much like a Duggar or Keller might struggle. And Josh's father-in-law probably has a hard time recognizing the parallels to his kid's upbringing.

 

You make a really excellent point. This just occurred to me that the Duggar compound isn't much different from prison..except they open the gate and the kids come back

[luvmylabs]

So according to an article I read Josh goes to court on Feb.7.  Is that correct?  Will this be an open court session?  Should be interesting.  I hope Anna divorces him!

[Mya]

2 hours ago, luvmylabs said:

So according to an article I read Josh goes to court on Feb.7.  Is that correct?  Will this be an open court session?  Should be interesting.  I hope Anna divorces him!

What is he going to court for? is he being sued again? Thanks.

[Marigold]

26 minutes ago, Mya said:

What is he going to court for? is he being sued again? Thanks.

I THINK:

The guy, whose picture Josh lifted off of FB, is suing. 

[Mya]

38 minutes ago, Marigold said:

I THINK:

The guy, whose picture Josh lifted off of FB, is suing. 

Thank you.   I wonder if we will hear anything about the outcome.

[luvmylabs]

1 hour ago, Marigold said:

I THINK:

The guy, whose picture Josh lifted off of FB, is suing. 

Yes, that's what I read.

[BitterApple]

Okay, I nabbed this story from Pickles, but does Joshley have a new hobby we don't know about? You be the judge:

https://m.facebook.com/SpringdalePD/photos/a.103470293162686.6584.103350903174625/729274773915565/?type=3&source=48

Pickles says no because the guy is too heavy, but I disagree. Josh can pack on weight faster than a hog getting ready for market. The hairline, man boobs and shiny forehead are a perfect match.

[Arwen Evenstar]

1 hour ago, BitterApple said:

Okay, I nabbed this story from Pickles, but does Joshley have a new hobby we don't know about? You be the judge:

https://m.facebook.com/SpringdalePD/photos/a.103470293162686.6584.103350903174625/729274773915565/?type=3&source=48

Pickles says no because the guy is too heavy, but I disagree. Josh can pack on weight faster than a hog getting ready for market. The hairline, man boobs and shiny forehead are a perfect match.

This guy has a ski parka on, which can give people a more "fluffy" appearance. It does look like Joshley 

[MunichNark]

That silly bitch knows diddly squat. I'll eat my hat if that's not him. He's from a small place, little risk of having your identical twin there.

I'd be delighted if it were him tbh - not because I even ill wish him, but because that is something they cannot sweep under the rug. And it will blacken the Duggar name further.

[Mollie]

7 hours ago, BitterApple said:

Okay, I nabbed this story from Pickles, but does Joshley have a new hobby we don't know about? You be the judge:

https://m.facebook.com/SpringdalePD/photos/a.103470293162686.6584.103350903174625/729274773915565/?type=3&source=48

Pickles says no because the guy is too heavy, but I disagree. Josh can pack on weight faster than a hog getting ready for market. The hairline, man boobs and shiny forehead are a perfect match.

That's Josh.

 

[tabloidlover]

Holy shit!!!!

[Catfin]

The male pattern baldness is identical. 

[Annb67]

Damn! No, DAYYYUM!!!! That has to be Joshley, otherwise dude has a doppelganger in his tiny little town. Wow....

[Mya]

That sure looks like Josh to me.  I am surprised the tabloids haven't jumped all over this.   WOW he must be so messed up.

[BitterApple]

7 hours ago, MunichNark said:

That silly bitch knows diddly squat. I'll eat my hat if that's not him. He's from a small place, little risk of having your identical twin there.

 

That's what I was thinking as well. Their town has less than 2,000 people. Let's say half are women, so what are the odds that, out of a thousand guys, your doppelganger lives in such close proximity?

[Mollie]

24 minutes ago, Mya said:

That sure looks like Josh to me.  I am surprised the tabloids haven't jumped all over this.   WOW he must be so messed up.

I just sent an email to InTouch Weekly about this.  That was the magazine which published the police reports about Josh sexually attacking his sisters.  If anyone can find out about Josh being arrested for this, they can!  (I can hardly wait to know!) By the way, Josh is celebrating his 29th birthday on March 3rd.  I hope an InTouch investigative report is what he receives for a birthday present.  Meanwhile, Jim Bob is scheduled to speak at the Gothard conference in Big Sandy, Texas, on February 23.  His subject will be: 'The role of fathers in the lives of children'

[Mya]

1 minute ago, Mollie said:

I just sent an email to InTouch Weekly about this.  That was the magazine which published the police reports about Josh sexually attacking his sisters.  If anyone can find out about Josh being arrested for this, they can!  (I can hardly wait to know!) By the way, Josh is celebrating his 29th birthday on March 3rd.  I hope an InTouch investigative report is what he receives for a birthday present.  Meanwhile, Jim Bob is scheduled to speak at the Gothard conference in Big Sandy, Texas, on February 23.  His subject will be: 'The role of fathers in the lives of children'

Yes!! In Touch is the one I was thinking would be on this already.   If its true how ironic JB is speaking about a fathers role and Josh gets arrested LOL  I am being mean I know but these grifters make  me sick.

[PradaKitty]

Even the sunglasses look the same! What are the chances of that?!

[MunichNark]

It's him. There's no way it isn't. And I really hope it is so.

He needs help. Real help, not slave labour Jesus camp.

I actually hope that perhaps Jilly Muffins will be next with a mental breakdown or something - anything for those fucking idiots to finally realise that their entire family is royally fucked up and needs extensive intervention pronto.

[sometimesy]

This person stole various personal items not $. Even if it isn't Josh there is a juicy story here. What was this person after? A cell phone with evidence. Maybe this explains the recent exit by the Dillards.

[cdp73]

26 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

That's what I was thinking as well. Their town has less than 2,000 people. Let's say half are women, so what are the odds that, out of a thousand guys, your doppelganger lives in such close proximity?

I'd say the odds are pretty low, unless Jim Bob had someone else fulfilling his righteous desires at some point in the past.

[MunichNark]

Yes, that hasty retreat from the Dullards is fishy methinks.

Ah well, the story will unfold itself in due course. I can't wait.

[sometimesy]

The only reason I suspect it isn't Josh, whoever had their 'personal items' stolen would surely recognize this image if the theft was by someone she knew. So why would it be posted for more information.

[MunichNark]

2 minutes ago, cdp73 said:

I'd say the odds are pretty low, unless Jim Bob had someone else fulfilling his righteous desires at some point in the past.

Please!!! I'm about to have my dinner!!!

[BitterApple]

7 minutes ago, sometimesy said:

The only reason I suspect it isn't Josh, whoever had their 'personal items' stolen would surely recognize this image if the theft was by someone she knew. So why would it be posted for more information.

Unless she has something to hide as well, say an extramarital affair gone bad or something. It may have been another employee who saw the theft on video and called the cops. I know that's a bit of a reach, I'm just trying to come up with an alternate theory on why it could be Josh.

[BitterApple]

50 minutes ago, MunichNark said:

Yes, that hasty retreat from the Dullards is fishy methinks.

Given, the context, it does look suspicious. We haven't heard about Danger America for months, and then they ask for donations and flee all within two days? Something's off. Not to mention the Duggars are bosom buddies with local law enforcement. It wouldn't surprise me if a member of the Springdale PD tipped Boob off about the video once it was turned over to the cops. 

[Mya]

What Police Force does John D work for? Tonitown?

[Churchhoney]

11 hours ago, BitterApple said:

Okay, I nabbed this story from Pickles, but does Joshley have a new hobby we don't know about? You be the judge:

https://m.facebook.com/SpringdalePD/photos/a.103470293162686.6584.103350903174625/729274773915565/?type=3&source=48

Pickles says no because the guy is too heavy, but I disagree. Josh can pack on weight faster than a hog getting ready for market. The hairline, man boobs and shiny forehead are a perfect match.

I don't know. To me he looks exactly like one of my stepbrothers -- and both my stepbrother and the guy in this picture look quite a lot like Josh. 

I'm pretty sure there are a lot of guys who look like this. You'd have to do that measurement-of-the-distance-between-pupils and such to really know which of those guys this is, I think. 

3 hours ago, Catfin said:

The male pattern baldness is identical. 

True. The ears and the shape of the lower half of the head look different to me, though. 

[Lady Edith]

Too bad the security photo isn't more clear.  But seeing the comparison photos, I would say that the men in these two images bare a striking resemblance to each other.  

Even if it IS josh, nothing will happen anyway.  KJB is ruler of that small town.  If he can get the police to overlook a sex abuse offense, a little theft charge should be a piece of cake.  

[questionfear]

For those of us who are blocked from FB, what's the link? He was shoplifting?

[Minivanessa]

30 minutes ago, Mya said:

What Police Force does John D work for? Tonitown?

He doesn't. He's the elected Constable for Washington County. It looks like kind of a free-lance thing, and you don't have to be a trained/certified LEO to be elected to the job. Although apparently some of them are. 

Edited February 17, 2017 by Jeeves

[Mya]

4 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

He doesn't. He's the elected Constable for Washington County. It looks like kind of a free-lance thing, and you don't have to be a trained/certified LEO to be elected to the job. Although apparently some of them are. 

Thanks for the information.  I haven never heard of an elected constable. 

[BitterApple]

53 minutes ago, questionfear said:

For those of us who are blocked from FB, what's the link? He was shoplifting?

Apparently the suspect snuck into the back office of a Dollar Store and stole personal items out of an employee's purse. There weren't any specifics, so I don't know if it was a wallet, cell phone, keyring or something else. The guy in the surveillance video looks exactly like Smuggar, but it's pure speculation at this point.

[Sew Sumi]

Shades match the side-by-side comparison as well.

eta: Where did all of these posts come from? Oops!

Edited February 17, 2017 by Sew Sumi

[drafan]

43 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Apparently the suspect snuck into the back office of a Dollar Store and stole personal items out of an employee's purse. There weren't any specifics, so I don't know if it was a wallet, cell phone, keyring or something else. The guy in the surveillance video looks exactly like Smuggar, but it's pure speculation at this point.

Well, a wallet would mean he wanted his payment back, a cellphone would be to erase pix, and the key would be to the love nest (gag). 

[abstractstuff]

It says content isn't available from that link anymore. It's hard to tell with that picture. So many guys look like that. I have my doubts this one is Josh. If it is. Wow.

[kokapetl]

Whoever that is, the dumbass didn't even wear a hat. 

The surveillance footage guy does have a pronounced supra alar crease and flared alar, Josh does not. 

Edited February 17, 2017 by Kokapetl

[Arwen Evenstar]

Josh is a "type", paunchy, greasy, balding middle aged dude with "moobs" due to a fast food diet full of trans fats and genetically modified soybean oil. They look like an army of clones in Texas...they're everywhere.

[farmgal4]

15 hours ago, BitterApple said:

Okay, I nabbed this story from Pickles, but does Joshley have a new hobby we don't know about? You be the judge:

https://m.facebook.com/SpringdalePD/photos/a.103470293162686.6584.103350903174625/729274773915565/?type=3&source=48

Pickles says no because the guy is too heavy, but I disagree. Josh can pack on weight faster than a hog getting ready for market. The hairline, man boobs and shiny forehead are a perfect match.

The article has been removed... Before I got the chance to read it, damn it!  Someone please tell me:  What's The Perv done now??

[kokapetl]

9 minutes ago, farmgal4 said:

The article has been removed... Before I got the chance to read it, damn it!  Someone please tell me:  What's The Perv done now??

Someone went into the back room of a dollar store and stole some stuff from employees. The cops had a "do you know this man?" post on Facebook. 

Edited February 17, 2017 by Kokapetl

[farmgal4]

10 minutes ago, Kokapetl said:

Someone went into the back room of a dollar store and stole some stuff from employees. The cops had a "do you know this man?" post on Facebook. 

Thank you, Kokapetl.  I checked out Pickles page.  As much as I dislike the Duggars, and Josh in particular, I hope it's not him.  If it is him, he's totally come unglued and desperately needs REAL psychiatric care, which he will NEVER get.  Plus, if he's completely lost his mind, God only knows what Anna and those poor children are having to deal with at home.  

[queenanne]

25 minutes ago, Kokapetl said:

Someone went into the back room of a dollar store and stole some stuff from employees. The cops had a "do you know this man?" post on Facebook. 

Wait... the employee(s) don't know that man?!

That's bold. I was expecting to find someone's vengeful SO or former SO/employee  out for revenge, etc.