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kokapetl

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The paying for sex I can believe, the violence and mental injury is harder to accept. The judge, as far as I can tell, has ordered her claim can proceed, but her claim for battery and injury is based on an "adult movie actress & entertainer's" expectations. Josh's response.

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The paying for sex I can believe, the violence and mental injury is harder to accept. The judge, as far as I can tell, has ordered her claim can proceed, but her claim for battery and injury is based on an "adult movie actress & entertainer's" expectations. Josh's response.

I completely agree.  As much as I despise Josh and all his BS, I think this girl has GOLDDUGGAR written all over her forehead.  Any attorney with half a Harley brain will be able to discredit her.   This is my humble opinion and again I can't stand Josh or his parents.   

 

Maybe it is just me, but I feel that most females would be able to take on Josh and win.  He still reminds me of a Krispy Kreme donut that you could easily knock the air out of. 

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Aja

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I completely agree.  As much as I despise Josh and all his BS, I think this girl has GOLDDUGGAR written all over her forehead. 

She could be both a goldduggar and telling the truth at the same time. Putting myself in her position (EW EW EW EW),  I could see being cool with keeping quiet about it until Jesus intervened and made it into a huge opportunity for me. 

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Muffyn

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The only thing I find interesting in this mess is Josh's first defense was that what she was calling battery wasn't battery.  The initial call to dismiss the case was based on her claim holding no validity in that the law was not broken and she was not hurt in a way that is illegal (sorry, not writing very clearly today).  His motion for dismissal certainly implies he has met her before and that the events described in her case occurred; that is, they had the sex.  He states he did not assault her during these events.  Then his response is he never met her, never went anywhere she was, did not pay her for anything, la-la-la-la I can't hear you!  I know it's legal wrangling.  It just seems odd that if he can prove he was not in Pennsylvania when these events occurred, he wouldn't have pulled that out very early, stopping the case from getting this far.  

 

What I really hate is this makes me think about someone having sex with Smuggar.  

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LilyoftheValley

LilyoftheValley

The only thing I find interesting in this mess is Josh's first defense was that what she was calling battery wasn't battery.  The initial call to dismiss the case was based on her claim holding no validity in that the law was not broken and she was not hurt in a way that is illegal (sorry, not writing very clearly today).  His motion for dismissal certainly implies he has met her before and that the events described in her case occurred; that is, they had the sex.  He states he did not assault her during these events.  Then his response is he never met her, never went anywhere she was, did not pay her for anything, la-la-la-la I can't hear you!  I know it's legal wrangling.  It just seems odd that if he can prove he was not in Pennsylvania when these events occurred, he wouldn't have pulled that out very early, stopping the case from getting this far.  

 

What I really hate is this makes me think about someone having sex with Smuggar.  

I am pretty sure that first response was a 12(b)(6) motion to dismiss.  Under this motion, the defendant alleges that plaintiff has failed to state a claim upon which relief can be granted.  It has been a long since I learned about this and I do not do any litigation, but the way I remember it is that such a motion assumes that everything in the claim is true, and says "okay even if this is all true (for the sake of argument), it still does not state an actual claim".  

 

However, what surprises me is that Josh has not simply publicly denied it if he never even met this woman.  

 

Personally I believe Josh paid this woman for sex and that he was perhaps a tad too aggressive in bed but I do not think he beat her or anything.  

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mbutterfly

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The paying for sex I can believe, the violence and mental injury is harder to accept. The judge, as far as I can tell, has ordered her claim can proceed, but her claim for battery and injury is based on an "adult movie actress & entertainer's" expectations. Josh's response.

I admit to being naive about the adult movie industry, but I really believe these women were not prostitutes but simply acting in x-rated films which is legal. Can it be legally deduced that she would have expectations of unwanted rough sex? I'm thinking her acting career isn't really relevant to the case. 

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Almost 3000

Almost 3000

Josh said in his apology that he was unfaithful to his wife.  So if not Danica, then with whom?

Is looking at porn considered being unfaithful in their group? I've actually wondered if that's what he meant in the first place. That whole confession was odd and even odder it was taken down and changed a couple of times. I imagined JB and Michelle yelling at each other and Smuggar and hitting the delete key with another one hitting enter with more yelling and deleting. If it wasn't all so sad it'd be comedy.
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Tunia

Tunia

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Josh said in his apology that he was unfaithful to his wife.  So if not Danica, then with whom?

I've always thought that Josh would come out with a statement that "unfaithful" by Duggar definition would include the act of just thinking "impure thoughts" and then try to claim this was his sin and that he never had physical contact outside his marriage.  In fact, I'm surprised he hasn't tried that already.

 

Oops...I must have been typing when Almost 3000 was posting.

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queenanne

queenanne

Is looking at porn considered being unfaithful in their group? I've actually wondered if that's what he meant in the first place. That whole confession was odd and even odder it was taken down and changed a couple of times. I imagined JB and Michelle yelling at each other and Smuggar and hitting the delete key with another one hitting enter with more yelling and deleting. If it wasn't all so sad it'd be comedy.

 

 

I've always thought that Josh would come out with a statement that "unfaithful" by Duggar definition would include the act of just thinking "impure thoughts" and then try to claim this was his sin and that he never had physical contact outside his marriage.  In fact, I'm surprised he hasn't tried that already.

 

Oops...I must have been typing when Almost 3000 was posting.

 

Yes, you two have got it down.  "Any man who so much as looks at a woman with lust, has already committed adultery in his heart."  Matthew 5:28.

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LilyoftheValley

LilyoftheValley

This might sound crazy, but I thought that Josh may be lying about being unfaithful in the sense that he never got any pussy from Ashley Madison or any of the other dating sites he was on.  I think that Josh would rather publicly say he was unfaithful than admit that he struck out time and time again, year after year on those sites.  

 

It seems stupid but I really believe that if Josh's life was falling apart anyway he might as well have all the men out there think he is a stud.  

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Tabbygirl521

Tabbygirl521

Here is a link to the article:

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/josh-duggar-sex-battery-porn-star-lawsuit-reality-star-photos-videos-proving-innocence/

Josh now seems to be feeling quite bold and shames Danica Dillon for indulging in 'illegal activities.'

I didn't do it, but if I did, it doesn't count because whore. Nice, Josh.

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

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I didn't do it, but if I did, it doesn't count because whore. Nice, Josh.

 

Ah, a Duggar to the core. And a worthy follower to the Duggar master, Gothard, too.

 

Josh is putting a somewhat different sexy-time spin on it. But his evade-all-responsibility and blame-everybody-else-all-the-time approach marks him as having fallen quite close to the tree, in my opinion.

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LilyoftheValley

LilyoftheValley

Ah, a Duggar to the core. And a worthy follower to the Duggar master, Gothard, too.

 

Josh is putting a somewhat different sexy-time spin on it. But his evade-all-responsibility and blame-everybody-else-all-the-time approach marks him as having fallen quite close to the tree, in my opinion.

The Duggars are too stupid to realize it, but they would be better off settling with this woman for like $100k and then publicly saying that Josh is paying the price for his wrong-doing.  Such a move would start to repair their brand and their relationship with the public.  

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LilyoftheValley

LilyoftheValley

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This whole he wasn't in PA thing is a mystery. I would think that it would be easy to prove his whereabouts on the nights in question. A smart phone is like a tracking device.

If he wasn't in PA, why didn't he announce it as soon as Danica Dillon made her accusation? If he was in PA, what good would it do him to lie? He will just be found out later. It really is a mystery.

Yeah that is the thing.  A person accused of something they did not do will immediately and reliably deny it.  

 

I personally think that Josh was up to some very shady shit when they lived in DC.  I think he was going to strip clubs, drinking, maybe even sleeping with hookers.  What I wonder now is if it was only recently that Josh looked at all his records and realized that he was not in PA that night.  However, he could not reliably deny it any of this at first because he had been up to enough naughty escapades that he really was not sure that this didn't happen when the woman said.  

 

Or maybe it just took the Duggars this long to falsify all the records and alibi statements.  

 

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JenCarroll

JenCarroll

Here is a link to the article:

 

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/josh-duggar-sex-battery-porn-star-lawsuit-reality-star-photos-videos-proving-innocence/

 

Josh now seems to be feeling quite bold and shames Danica Dillon for indulging in 'illegal activities.'

 

Well, the paper describes it as "shaming," but it's not that; it's a statement in a legal filing and it's relevant to a possible affirmative defense.

 

I didn't do it, but if I did, it doesn't count because whore. Nice, Josh.

Pleading in the alternative. You want to make sure all your possible defenses are on record, in case the court's finding on the facts doesn't go your way. It's not out of the ordinary at all.

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BitterApple

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This whole he wasn't in PA thing is a mystery. I would think that it would be easy to prove his whereabouts on the nights in question. A smart phone is like a tracking device.

If he wasn't in PA, why didn't he announce it as soon as Danica Dillon made her accusation? If he was in PA, what good would it do him to lie? He will just be found out later. It really is a mystery.

I agree, it makes no sense. If someone accused me of murder, I wouldn't wait until my sentencing to speak up and say "hey, you know what, I just remembered I was at the movies when the crime took place." I wonder what sort of angle Josh and his attorney are playing.

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GeeGolly

GeeGolly

I agree, it makes no sense. If someone accused me of murder, I wouldn't wait until my sentencing to speak up and say "hey, you know what, I just remembered I was at the movies when the crime took place." I wonder what sort of angle Josh and his attorney are playing.

I'm not sure of the timeline of all these things. Was Josh at rehab when Danica went public? Could he possibly just be getting all the actual details of this? As other folks have mentioned it wouldn't be hard to prove where Josh was. Between cell phones, random security cameras, road tolls, plane tickets, hotel keys, etc.

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kokapetl

kokapetl

Perhaps he didn't want to fuel the tabloid fire. Ms Dillon's claims came out after the Ashley Madison stuff was revealed, I think he was already off being brain washed at RU, his life and career were already destroyed, few would've believed him anyway. If he's bluffing this will eclipse his previous idiotic choices.

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LilyoftheValley

LilyoftheValley

I'm not sure of the timeline of all these things. Was Josh at rehab when Danica went public? Could he possibly just be getting all the actual details of this? As other folks have mentioned it wouldn't be hard to prove where Josh was. Between cell phones, random security cameras, road tolls, plane tickets, hotel keys, etc.

I mean I know that we know that Joshie-poo is completely under his father's control, but the law does not care about those things and Josh and only Josh would have been served with the suit, whether he was in adult Jesus camp or not.  He knew, 

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GeeGolly

GeeGolly

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I mean I know that we know that Joshie-poo is completely under his father's control, but the law does not care about those things and Josh and only Josh would have been served with the suit, whether he was in adult Jesus camp or not.  He knew, 

But when was he actually served?

 

 

Edited to add: Rehabs and mental health facilities do not have to confirm who are using there services- even to the police. He would have to sign a release to be served at RU. 

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BitterApple

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I'm not sure of the timeline of all these things. Was Josh at rehab when Danica went public?

I swear, cracking the nuclear missile launch codes is an easier task than making sense of the Duggar timelines. Between scandal #1, the Megan Kelly interview, scandal #2, Jill's shady missioncation trips and "going away" party, Derick's surgery, Spurge's birth debaucle and the civil suit, my brain is fried.

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GeeGolly

GeeGolly

I swear, cracking the nuclear missile launch codes is an easier task than making sense of the Duggar timelines. Between scandal #1, the Megan Kelly interview, scandal #2, Jill's shady missioncation trips and "going away" party, Derick's surgery, Spurge's birth debaucle and the civil suit, my brain is fried.

We need to get Investigators Sew Sumi & Koka on the case. :)

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kokapetl

kokapetl

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DuggarFamily.com announcement, dated 26 August, that Josh was in treatment since "yesterday". I think this is InTouch's first story containing Ms Dillon's allegations against Josh, also dated 26 August.

Radaronline's copy of Ms Dillon's filing is dated 17 November.

Josh's LAWYR's response and Judge's order filed 23 December and 28 December.

Judge's order dated 6 January.

Josh/LAWYR's response filed 7 January.

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CofCinci

CofCinci

But when was he actually served?

 

 

Edited to add: Rehabs and mental health facilities do not have to confirm who are using there services- even to the police. He would have to sign a release to be served at RU. 

RU is not a HIPAA covered entity.

https://www.cms.gov/Regulations-and-Guidance/HIPAA-Administrative-Simplification/HIPAAGenInfo/Downloads/CoveredEntitycharts.pdf

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GeeGolly

GeeGolly

DuggarFamily.com announcement, dated 26 August, that Josh was in treatment since "yesterday". I think this is InTouch's first story containing Ms Dillon's allegations against Josh, also dated 26 August.

Radaronline's copy of Ms Dillon's filing is dated 17 November.

Josh's LAWYR's response and Judge's order filed 23 December and 28 December.

Judge's order dated 6 January.

Josh/LAWYR's response filed 7 January.

I love you Koka!! <3

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Aja

Aja

DuggarFamily.com announcement, dated 26 August, that Josh was in treatment since "yesterday". I think this is InTouch's first story containing Ms Dillon's allegations against Josh, also dated 26 August.

Radaronline's copy of Ms Dillon's filing is dated 17 November.

Josh's LAWYR's response and Judge's order filed 23 December and 28 December.

Judge's order dated 6 January.

Josh/LAWYR's response filed 7 January.

I second the need for a chaperone. (love)

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LilyoftheValley

LilyoftheValley

Just for clarification, Josh is not at rehab or a mental health facility.  From a legal perspective, Josh is just living in a new house with a bunch of roommates.  

 

And I do not believe for one second that Josh would not get an immediate tongue thrashing from Boob whenever another scandal emerges.  

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SomePity1066

SomePity1066

Just for clarification, Josh is not at rehab or a mental health facility.  From a legal perspective, Josh is just living in a new house with a bunch of roommates.  

 

And I do not believe for one second that Josh would not get an immediate tongue thrashing from Boob whenever another scandal emerges.  

Thank you for clarifying, LilyoftheValley  ! I couldn't quite put my thoughts together cohesively enough to say what you said so succinctly...

 

And you're SO right - it IS just like he's just with a bunch of roommates ! RU may have the zoning laws and occupancy restrictions down pat but there's nothing about Jesus Jail that even remotely resembles a real rehab. The lack of degrees, accreditations, professional staff, oversight, or accountability speaks for itself - Josh is at sleepaway camp for naughty, naughty people who are getting a six-month long timeout. 

 

I wonder if JB thought that stowing him away would shield him from any real-world consequences ? Seems like he was thinking just like the people in horror movies who try to hide in a church assuming that the vampires can't get to them there. But we all know how that works out...

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kokapetl

kokapetl

Just for clarification, Josh is not at rehab or a mental health facility. From a legal perspective, Josh is just living in a new house with a bunch of roommates.

And I do not believe for one second that Josh would not get an immediate tongue thrashing from Boob whenever another scandal emerges.

I think where Josh has been sent is more of a re-indoctrination centre.
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tabloidlover

tabloidlover

This whole he wasn't in PA thing is a mystery. I would think that it would be easy to prove his whereabouts on the nights in question. A smart phone is like a tracking device.

If he wasn't in PA, why didn't he announce it as soon as Danica Dillon made her accusation? If he was in PA, what good would it do him to lie? He will just be found out later. It really is a mystery.

Because he is handling this assbackwards - just like everything else in Duggarland.  I have had to give up trying to understand Duggar logic as it only serves to give me a headache. 

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Missy Vixen

Missy Vixen

He claims that she was engaging in illegal activities during the alleged incident. Now how would he know that?

He's using the time honored "prostitution is a crime, she's a Slutty McSlutterson" defense.

 

It's not going to work. Buying sex is illegal as well, Joshley Madison. Good luck with that!

Because he is handling this assbackwards - just like everything else in Duggarland.  I have had to give up trying to understand Duggar logic as it only serves to give me a headache. 

Their first attempt was to handle it themselves -- after all, Jim Boob probably prayed a lot before he watched an episode of CSI: SVU, and now he's practically an expert on the lawyering!

 

When it became clear that "handling it themselves" wasn't going to work, they lawyered up. (Excuse me: LAWYRd up.) That LAWYR is probably pulling his hair out by the handfuls and throwing every excuse/"defense" against the wall to see if it'll stick.

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Marigny

Marigny

C'mon, God's God, but there's a half mil on the line. Jim Bob would fellate the devil to make all of this go away.

 

 

 Next TLC special:  Jim Bob fellating the devil then explaining why it was a godly act while Michelle beams at him and wipes devil spunk off his face.

 

As always, I'll let myself out. 

 

I need to spend some time in the prayer closet for my response to these posts. Well done, posters. 

 

So how long until they announce the "band aid baby",the sweet blessing that magically makes all the mess go away?

 

I predict that Myracle Magdalena Duggar's conception will be announced during the Duggars: Life One Year After the Scandal special, of course hosted by Meghan Kelley. 

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burlsa

burlsa

What's the date on the pic?

Because IG sucks and doesn't have the actual date,I had to go and do math and use a calandar. The picture was uploaded 125 weeks ago, which puts it approximately around August 17, 2013.

Which is not at all in the time frame of Danica Dillon's allegations.

He said he was passing through, and I think that's the truth. Shortly after that he posted a picture of the Ohio boarder.

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JoanArc

JoanArc

Because IG sucks and doesn't have the actual date,I had to go and do math and use a calandar. The picture was uploaded 125 weeks ago, which puts it approximately around August 17, 2013.

Which is not at all in the time frame of Danica Dillon's allegations.

He said he was passing through, and I think that's the truth. Shortly after that he posted a picture of the Ohio boarder.

I'm picturing Josh inwardly sighing in the car as he and Anna pass the PA strip clubs. Thanks for the investigative work!

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