S08.E16: The Countess Bride

[archer1267]

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Dorinda used to be an aerobics instructor, now I understand the crazy hand/arm movements

I know, right? I am a lone wolf at the gym and am so not into taking classes, but I would totally take a class Dorinda taught! Or I'd least hire her for an hour to show me how to get her arms! (Maybe if I talk more with my arms, not just my hands, it'll help? Hmmm....)

Edited July 22, 2016 by archer1267

[KungFuBunny]

2 hours ago, One More Time said:

I will forever hate Jules for showing her daughter's bathroom issues.  That will undoubtedly follow her around for years to come. What a cruel thing to do to a child.

Shame on her.

My problem with the potty training session is that I found it to be exploitative.  There is nothing that can make me change my mind that allowing your child to be filmed sitting on the crapper by strangers (most likely men) is NORMAL and OKAY. To forever immortalize on film that your daughter can really let them rip and can we teach her to light a match and think this will not somehow affect her negatively in the future is crazy. How is this Jules being funny at her OWN expense and not her daughters? I don’t know if she will start pre-school next year but she will be teased.  I can see Rio being called Pee-o in school. The son because he’s already is in school is going to be teased about his sister this fall. Before the consultant arrived she put the doll on the white sofa and said push. Are you not inviting your own child to take a crap on that spot in the near future?

Jules is very passive aggressive. She likes to play victim. I thought any one in recovery the first thing you do is stop casting blame on other people for your own issues. She claimed to want to be an inspiration and an ambassador for ED. As a person with no eating issues other than my muffin top and fat ass, I  have found nothing informative as a person who is just a viewer. I have not found anything inspirational for those who may be in recovery on film or in her blogs. No information of where to go for treatment, no information about any online support groups, no urge for people to get help. She could have easily shown us a therapy session or given us soundbites of how she manages and stays in control, instead we get a plastic surgeon consult with Dr BotoxFace with a creepy lisp

Jules said at Mohegan Sun that she would never trust Bethenny with her secrets again and that is it not healthy for her to be around Bethenny. It is not healthy Jules to be around Bethenny but it is incredibly Unhealthy for her to have signed up for a reality TV show.  Don’t play dumb and say I’m open about my ED and then say I don’t want to talk about it – pick a lane. Jules likes to “imply” lots of things on film but has nothing to back it up. She’s implying that Bethenny has revealed secrets and spoken negatively about her marriage. So what’s the secret and what has Bethenny said about her marriage? Jules also said she doesn’t feel the connection she had with Bethenny from the early days. The first sit down dinner Jules had Bethenny said Jules for Halloween you can go as Princess Leia and Micheal can go as R2D2. You then bitched to Dorinda about it and how Bethenny was making comments about you and your hair playing. Why would you have felt a connection and then revealed secrets when in every TH shot you speak about not trusting her?

 I can understand Bethenny and Carole’s standpoint. Bethenny is not a “specialist” in the ED world but her experience growing up with her mother ED’s did affect her negatively.  I don’t know if Bethenny’s mother ever got treatment but I do know that once you are 18 you can not be forced into a clinic and you can not be forced into outpatient therapy. From Bethenny’s stance, I wouldn’t want to be around Jules either and no way in heck from a business standpoint would I want her around my brand. Yes It’s called SkinnyGirl not AnorexicGirl, not BulimicGirl, not EDGirl. Carole saying it is difficult to watch her eat.  I’m on the other side of the TV screen and it’s difficult to watch Jules PERIOD. I can not imagine being at different functions with her involving food. I would not want to sit at a table and watch you not eat, fake eat, play with your food, hide it in a napkin, excuse yourself every 10 minutes to smoke/go to the bathroom, take an hour for  you to eat an appetizer. I don’t want to look at your clavicle bone nor you playing with your hair at a dinner table. So like Carole…I’m mean.

[WireWrap]

2 hours ago, One More Time said:

I will forever hate Jules for showing her daughter's bathroom issues.  That will undoubtedly follow her around for years to come. What a cruel thing to do to a child.

Shame on her.

I didn't find that scene that bad at all, they showed nothing more than all those commercials we see for the various pull up training pants on TV. LOL

[KungFuBunny]

33 minutes ago, archer1267 said:

I know, right? I am a lone wolf at the gym and am so not in taking classes, but I would totally take a class Dorinda taught! Or I'd least hire her for an hour to show me how to get her arms! (Maybe if I talk more with my arms, not just my hands, it'll help? Hmmm....)

Dorinda does have some seriously toned arms. As a viewer, when Dorinda goes into Back It Up Mode it's nice not to see bat wings.Another movement Dorinda practices is this....

Bunny disclaimer: Not reccommended for viewing audience. Do not try at home as it may cause issues in real life and/or on the boards.

[ScoobieDoobs]

14 hours ago, HumblePi said:

This is Luann's ring and no big deal I have one just like it. Well, almost like it. See the little diamonds on each side? My engagement diamond is exactly like those. Well, almost like those. Cut one of those in half and yes....that's it exactly. See? I told you that my diamond is EXACTLY like Luann's, so no big deal.

OK, I wouldn't ask you this in person cuz it's tacky, but since we're here, I'll be ticky-tacky & ask -- how much did your ring cost?  The thing about colored diamonds is the cost & quality range enormously.  You really have to be careful & knowledgeable when buying cuz it's way easy to get rooked.  Still think Gretch's ring is from JTV's faux Bella line.

Edited July 22, 2016 by ScoobieDoobs

[zoeysmom]

1 hour ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I think this might be the case, and I think that the others suspect it as well. I've always thought this is why at the end of the day, they let her get away with so much. Everyone has been irritated and exhausted by Ramona, but in the end they rarely really hold her very responsible. You often hear from others (generally in blogs) that she actually has a good heart and can be a very good friend.  Beth, Dorinda, Heather, Sonja, and Carole have all said this, and they have all been furious with her about one thing or another. I think they believe there is a component of Ramona's behavior that she has little control over. 

I believe Ramona gets away with so much because she is always up in everyone else's business in hopes of camera time.  Her reputation is she wants all these people to film together until it is not about her, then she pulls the "center of attention" card.  Like Luann's engagement gathering-it is all about the bride, not about how many oysters you can power down.

As Luann pointed out to Ramona during the intervention -time to stop blaming your parents. for your boorish behavior.  I do believe Carole tolerates Ramona but really can't stand how incredibly rude she is.  We have seen scene after scene of Ramona being blatantly inappropriate.  Bethenny forgives it because she is second only to Ramona in inappropriate behavior. 

One thing that bugs me about Ramona is she now has had a 25 year marriage, no you didn't you were married in 1991, and things went south in 2011.  That would be 20 years.  It would be like Bethenny talking about her six year marriage vs. her 2 1/2 year marriage.  Sonja is right, Ramona has always rubbed the others noses in "having the best marriage" (I would think Alex and Simon, Jill and Bobby have pretty good marriages and are still intact) and her relationship with her daughter's is more important and better than anyone else's.  It just makes her so damn unlikeable.   Bragging is a controllable behavior just as lying is.  Ramona is both a braggart and a liar. 

[ScoobieDoobs]

6 hours ago, eurekagirl mOo said:

Carolines boyfriend needs to go meet Megan PI's hubby. They can ignore there wives and partners together.

Was Adam ignoring Carole in their scene?  I was so bored by them, I didn't notice.  Well, asshole Jimmy more than ignores Meghan.  He looks like he hates being anywhere near her.  Just look at his blubber-lipped mug & you can plainly see how he shudders when she gets anywhere him.  Yeesh.

When Carole was speaking to him, Adam did have that same bored, checked-out, spaced-out gaze Jimmy ALWAYS has when Meghan babbles to him.  The diff is Adam ALWAYS has that look.  So it's kinda hard to tell if Adam is bored by Carole -- or merely bored in general.   Or is Adam (as I suspect) just an extremely dull young man?

I mean, maybe she finds the low energy stoner thing hot?  And maybe to him, she's useful for her Village place & a kitchen for him to cook his icky-looking food?  Idk, I can't figure those 2 out at all.  Why do they stay together?  Is Adam too passive & lazy to find someone his own age?  Does Carole merely get off on the ego boost of being able to say she has a bf 20 years younger, even if he is dull as all hell? Honestly, I'm not curious enough to see any more scenes of them alone.  Too fuckin' boring!

Edited July 22, 2016 by ScoobieDoobs

[zoeysmom]

43 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

 

 I can understand Bethenny and Carole’s standpoint. Bethenny is not a “specialist” in the ED world but her experience growing up with her mother ED’s did affect her negatively.  I don’t know if Bethenny’s mother ever got treatment but I do know that once you are 18 you can not be forced into a clinic and you can not be forced into outpatient therapy. From Bethenny’s stance, I wouldn’t want to be around Jules either and no way in heck from a business standpoint would I want her around my brand. Yes It’s called SkinnyGirl not AnorexicGirl, not BulimicGirl, not EDGirl. Carole saying it is difficult to watch her eat.  I’m on the other side of the TV screen and it’s difficult to watch Jules PERIOD. I can not imagine being at different functions with her involving food. I would not want to sit at a table and watch you not eat, fake eat, play with your food, hide it in a napkin, excuse yourself every 10 minutes to smoke/go to the bathroom, take an hour for  you to eat an appetizer. I don’t want to look at your clavicle bone nor you playing with your hair at a dinner table. So like Carole…I’m mean.

Bethenny also said her mother was an alcoholic and she made her fortune off of alcohol, so obviously it does not bother her to be around alcohol and people who abuse it.  Well, I guess she is bothered by Sonja's abuse but not her buddy Ramona, who has been legendary in her consumption of alcohol.  So I think her stance on ED falls into the hypocritical stage.  Bethenny goes to therapy yet expresses intense dislike for people with mental health issues.  It is okay for her to have them but not others? Why because she handles her life so well?

If she is going to fair, maybe she should talk about Ramona's consumption and her beer gut this year.  (Great picture of Ramona's beer gut on the First Looks thread) Ramona scarfing down expensive caviar, walking out taking the whole pizza on her way to dinner, her dozen oysters before dinner and of course the obligatory Pinot she powers it all down with, or ordering two drinks at once at Bethenny's party, falling asleep after having three or four glasses of wine at the Reunion.  Yet none of this seems to register with Bethenny, the one so affected by overeating and excessive alcohol use.

[Southernbelle55]

Omg, Andy. If you think Bethenny and Carol are so wonderful and watchable, put them in their own show. You could call it "13 Going On 60", it will bomb and vindicate everyone who says they ruined this season. Watching Ramona and Sonja is painful, sucking up to those two. You know why I think Luann and Tom are real? Remember the beginning of the season when Luann was doing her own sucking? Well, she doesn't care now. She doesn't need Bethenny's approval. I bet she's sorry she spend all that money on that purse for Bethenny. I've stopped DVRing RHONY, it's not the show it used to be. Bye, y'all.

[OhGromit]

6 hours ago, LIMOM said:

Yes, however she can miss me with her narrative of poor little girl. Her mother did what she could at the time and Beth needs to realize that her mother eating disorder was not  about her.

If it is even true, her mother suffered from a mental illness and Beth will be well advised to be kind toward her mother as she is repeating her own childhood (minus the alcoholism as far as we know)

My mother drank and was depressed most of her life and much like Beth I was resentful and angry, then one day I watched Oprah and she was talking about how her parents did the best they could and as cliche as it sounds, it made sense to me.

How being so angry benefit Beth and her daughter?

This is why imo she is not able to enjoy her success. She is stuck and needs to let go for her own well being and more importantly Bryn's.

Damn her mother was a looker.

Everyone's situation is different.  None of us have all these answers.  All I know is, this is a messed-up relationship, it takes two to tango, and children don't learn that dance all on their own.  

Edited July 22, 2016 by OhGromit

[ryebread]

41 minutes ago, ScoobieDoobs said:

OK, I wouldn't ask you this in person cuz it's tacky, but since we're here, I'll be ticky-tacky & ask -- how much did your ring cost?  The thing about colored diamonds is the cost & quality range enormously.  You really have to be careful & knowledgeable when buying cuz it's way easy to get rooked.  Still think Gretch's ring is from JTV's faux Bella line.

The first time I saw a canary diamond in a store was in Puerto Rico about 20 years ago.  I remember thinking, why would anyone want a yellow diamond? Hasn't DeBeers always drilled into our heads that you have to spend 2 months salary and you want as 'white' of a stone as you can get? Any yellow in a diamond is a no-no.  Against the laws of the 4-c's of diamond buying, dontchaknow!  White = good.  Yellow = bad.  Punishable by death.  That said, they've come a long way and I think Lu's ring is very beautiful.  Although, it could be a yellow topaz for all I know.  Just like a pink diamond - might be rare and fancy but looks like tourmaline, to me.

ETA:  I thought it was mean for Sonja to bag on Lu's ring.  It doesn't look murky to me at all.

Edited July 22, 2016 by ryebread

[Baltimore Betty]

35 minutes ago, ScoobieDoobs said:

OK, I wouldn't ask you this in person cuz it's tacky, but since we're here, I'll be ticky-tacky & ask -- how much did your ring cost?  The thing about colored diamonds is the cost & quality range enormously.  You really have to be careful & knowledgeable when buying cuz it's way easy to get rooked.  Still think Gretch's ring is from JTV's faux Bella line.

My mother would have said "the real jewel can't be set in a ring...your husband." (She was a funny lady and a hopeless romantic) but Luann is in love and her ring is lovely, there are no visible inclusions and color is nice not murky at all.  Sonja is totally sour grapes over this. 

[RedheadZombie]

7 minutes ago, ryebread said:

The first time I saw a canary diamond in a store was in Puerto Rico about 20 years ago.  I remember thinking, why would anyone want a yellow diamond? Hasn't DeBeers always drilled into our heads that you have to spend 2 months salary and you want as 'white' of a stone as you can get? Any yellow in a diamond is a no-no.  Against the laws of the 4-c's of diamond buying, dontchaknow!  White = good.  Yellow = bad.  Punishable by death.  That said, they've come a long way and I think Lu's ring is very beautiful.  Although, it could be a yellow topaz for all I know.  Just like a pink diamond - might be a rare, fancy gemstone but looks like tourmaline, to me.

I agree it looks like yellow topaz.  And since it's my birthstone, I've been stuck with it a lot.  I prefer blue topaz. 

[OhGromit]

14 minutes ago, ryebread said:

The first time I saw a canary diamond in a store was in Puerto Rico about 20 years ago.  I remember thinking, why would anyone want a yellow diamond? Hasn't DeBeers always drilled into our heads that you have to spend 2 months salary and you want as 'white' of a stone as you can get? Any yellow in a diamond is a no-no.  Against the laws of the 4-c's of diamond buying, dontchaknow!  White = good.  Yellow = bad.  Punishable by death.  That said, they've come a long way and I think Lu's ring is very beautiful.  Although, it could be a yellow topaz for all I know.  Just like a pink diamond - might be rare and fancy but looks like tourmaline, to me.

ETA:  I thought it was mean for Sonja to bag on Lu's ring.  It doesn't look murky to me at all.

LOL I've always loved aquamarines.  Going engagement ring shopping now, and I want an aquamarine ring cause I love the color of the stone.  And as a bonus.. it's cheap!  But sometimes I chuckle thinking I can tell fancy-judgey-type ladies it's a "blue diamond."  ;-) 

[SparkleznConfetti]

1 hour ago, KungFuBunny said:

Dorinda does have some seriously toned arms. As a viewer, when Dorinda goes into Back It Up Mode it's nice not to see bat wings.Another movement Dorinda practices is this....

Bunny disclaimer: Not reccommended for viewing audience. Do not try at home as it may cause issues in real life and/or on the boards.

I was once turd "When you stir shit, it stinks".

[ryebread]

9 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

I agree it looks like yellow topaz.  And since it's my birthstone, I've been stuck with it a lot.  I prefer blue topaz. 

Me, too.  I LOVE blue topaz.  Honeymooned in Lake Tahoe. Went back on our fifth anniversary and hubs surprised me with a gorgeous blue topaz ring that matches the lake - at it's deepest, brightest blue. I adore it, not only because it's beautiful, but with one glance it takes me back to that sweet, sweet time early in our marriage and skinny dipping in the lake.  I wear that ring more than I do my engagement ring.  I guess the point is, jewelry is such a personal decision.  Yellow diamonds aren't my thing but if Lu likes it, that's all that matters.  She should wear it loud and proud. 

Although, imo, there will never be a wedding band next to it because I don't think they're going to actually make it to the altar....

I believe she will do the dumping.  Just a hunch.

[WireWrap]

23 minutes ago, ryebread said:

The first time I saw a canary diamond in a store was in Puerto Rico about 20 years ago.  I remember thinking, why would anyone want a yellow diamond? Hasn't DeBeers always drilled into our heads that you have to spend 2 months salary and you want as 'white' of a stone as you can get? Any yellow in a diamond is a no-no.  Against the laws of the 4-c's of diamond buying, dontchaknow!  White = good.  Yellow = bad.  Punishable by death.  That said, they've come a long way and I think Lu's ring is very beautiful.  Although, it could be a yellow topaz for all I know.  Just like a pink diamond - might be rare and fancy but looks like tourmaline, to me.

ETA:  I thought it was mean for Sonja to bag on Lu's ring.  It doesn't look murky to me at all.

Colored diamonds became a big thing about 7 - 8 years ago. I have to laugh though, diamonds are the most common gem stone on earth, they are not rare and they are controlled by 5 families throughout the entire world and they control the prices. A colored diamond is an imperfect diamond, as it is other mineral deposits that give it it's color and they are all irradiated/treated to bring out the color. If you really want a flawless perfect white diamond I recommend a lab grown diamond. They are real diamonds, just grown in pressurized containers, that cut glass like natural ones do but cost a fraction of the natural mined diamonds.

Luann's ring is beautiful and the inclusions/cloudiness are minimal to the naked eye, which means it is a very good yellow diamond.

[zoeysmom]

19 minutes ago, OhGromit said:

LOL I've always loved aquamarines.  Going engagement ring shopping now, and I want an aquamarine ring cause I love the color of the stone.  And as a bonus.. it's cheap!  But sometimes I chuckle thinking I can tell fancy-judgey-type ladies it's a "blue diamond."  ;-) 

Congratulations on your upcoming engagement/wedding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[archer1267]

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Was Adam ignoring Carole in their scene?  I was so bored by them, I didn't notice.

I sense that Adam responds to everything in the same kind of unruffled, blasé tone, whether it's "this cauliflower crust is awesome" or "the building's on fire, grab the dog!!" ("Oh yeah? Okay.")

 

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As a viewer, when Dorinda goes into Back It Up Mode it's nice not to see bat wings

You're right, she completely has specific flailing motions for "back that shit up." And that could be a name of a move from her class routine.

[KungFuBunny]

46 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Bethenny also said her mother was an alcoholic and she made her fortune off of alcohol, so obviously it does not bother her to be around alcohol and people who abuse it.  Well, I guess she is bothered by Sonja's abuse but not her buddy Ramona, who has been legendary in her consumption of alcohol.  So I think her stance on ED falls into the hypocritical stage.  Bethenny goes to therapy yet expresses intense dislike for people with mental health issues.  It is okay for her to have them but not others? Why because she handles her life so well?

If she is going to fair, maybe she should talk about Ramona's consumption and her beer gut this year.  (Great picture of Ramona's beer gut on the First Looks thread) Ramona scarfing down expensive caviar, walking out taking the whole pizza on her way to dinner, her dozen oysters before dinner and of course the obligatory Pinot she powers it all down with, or ordering two drinks at once at Bethenny's party, falling asleep after having three or four glasses of wine at the Reunion.  Yet none of this seems to register with Bethenny, the one so affected by overeating and excessive alcohol use.

Bethenny’s stance on ED is she doesn’t want to be around Jules because of it. You’re damned if you do and you’re damned if you don’t. A big chunk of her business are all of her food items.  Promoting a healthier life style and making better choices. I would  not want to invite Jules to a public launch of my new chocolate line. I would not want an emaciated skeleton trying to choke down a piece of my candy nor would I want my core customer to believe this is what you can achieve if you eat SkinnyGirl products.

I do not see any major Alcohol companies hiring actors with multiple DUI’s being asked to represent their liquor.

As for Sonja. The excuse that was put on camera was about “responsible drinking”. I think (I do not know for a fact) her SKinnyGirl Liquor partners told her they could not do anything legally in regards to Tipsy Girl. But I think they made it clear they were unhappy about it and they wanted Bethenny to make it clear on camera that SkinnyGirl did not endorse/mentor/have any association with Tipsy Girl.

As for Ramona…she is my Ennis, I can’t explain it but I LOVE HER!!! I laugh every time she comes on screen and forgive her of all the horrible things she does and says.

[BananaRama]

Jules's "Potty Training Whisperer" probably was very helpful and did have a lot of good tips and suggestions for potty training, but Jules could have gotten the same tips from a $20 book.  However, Jules finally learning the correct way to wipe was worth the $2,000.

[BananaRama]

On ‎7‎/‎20‎/‎2016 at 11:41 PM, breezy424 said:

But isn't kind of sad when someone says 'if' we're together next year?  It's like we know we're not forever so let's enjoy each other for now.  I wouldn't want to be in that place. 

I think Carole is trying to be a realist and because her husband passed away at a young age - her outlook on her future is dark.  Remember her comment about having just 5 good summers left?

[zoeysmom]

1 minute ago, KungFuBunny said:

Bethenny’s stance on ED is she doesn’t want to be around Jules because of it. You’re damned if you do and you’re damned if you don’t. A big chunk of her business are all of her food items.  Promoting a healthier life style and making better choices. I would  not want to invite Jules to a public launch of my new chocolate line. I would not want an emaciated skeleton trying to choke down a piece of my candy nor would I want my core customer to believe this is what you can achieve if you eat SkinnyGirl products.

I do not see any major Alcohol companies hiring actors with multiple DUI’s being asked to represent their liquor.

As for Sonja. The excuse that was put on camera was about “responsible drinking”. I think (I do not know for a fact) her SKinnyGirl Liquor partners told her they could not do anything legally in regards to Tipsy Girl. But I think they made it clear they were unhappy about it and they wanted Bethenny to make it clear on camera that SkinnyGirl did not endorse/mentor/have any association with Tipsy Girl.

As for Ramona…she is my Ennis, I can’t explain it but I LOVE HER!!! I laugh every time she comes on screen and forgive her of all the horrible things she does and says.

I don't think Bethenny has to invite Jules to her launches.  I do think there are probably a fair number of consumers with food issues who purchase Skinnygirl products.  Bethenny's healthier eating tips in the old days did vary all that much from Jules.  Sample everything, order a steak take one bite.

I am kind of alone in this belief, but from Jules has aid about her ED, I thought maybe her bigger problem was Bulimia. I can't think of how anorexic would rise to horror stories that would gross me out.  I have seen an episode of "Intervention" with a beautiful young girl and buckets of vomit in her room. I know one can have both, but when she said she had thrown her food up three days earlier, I just always thought of Bulimia.

Funny graphic of your Ramona jones.

[jaync]

Beth can't travel to Mexico, but she can fly just as far to spend time in a colder region with a high altitude? Whatevs. To whoever made the decision to hinge the entire main cast trip on Beth's passing fancy - FU, man.

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Let's see - I'm a cheap Sagittarian so I don't gamble,

Hee. First it was horseback riding, and now gambling. Thanks to Sonja, I feel like an inadequate Sagittarian for not being an expert at either.

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It's amazing what a person can overcome when they can demonstrate how great they are at something. 

Really. Frankel has nothing on Cary Deuber's yoga game, though.

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Sonja gave me life when she trotted out her famous "smokey eye, updo, and Staad" line.

She's the one who should be selling novelty t-shirts. At least the sayings would be original.

Carole's scenes with Adam this season = secondhand embarrassment. He seems totally baked most of the time (no judgement).

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Dorinda and her step aerobics saved this episode for me, but I did like that there was not really any fighting in this episode.

Right on. It's amazing how different the group dynamic is when Beth and the tension she brings isn't around.

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I would love to see her find hapinesss, but have a sad feeling she will be rambling around that wreck of a house all by herself when she is 80 years old.

I'd like to see Sonja get her gay J on and date some women. It could make for some good scenes, and it wouldn't be all that phony since she's genuinely attracted to females.

Edited July 22, 2016 by jaync

[OhGromit]

14 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Congratulations on your upcoming engagement/wedding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Aww thank you!!!!!  

[NewDigs]

3 minutes ago, BananaRama said:

I think Carole is trying to be a realist and because her husband passed away at a young age - her outlook on her future is dark.  Remember her comment about having just 5 good summers left?

Yup.

And now she's down to maybe we'll have a year? 

Hasn't been 4 years, has it?

[KungFuBunny]

5 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Jules is kind of an idiot, she drags out the same blessing for everything and now she is giving the table a blessing (which I am pretty sure she was blessing the wine with that prayer, I will watch that scene again) and guess what, Rabbi's frown upon gambling.

The gambler in me has to comment about that scene.

You are not allowed to make/take any phone calls texts at ANY table game ever. The minute you take a cell phone out to look at the time or try to place a call, the dealer stops the game and you have to walk away from the table.

As for Rabbi's frowning upon gambling, I'm not sure as I have seen many Hasidic men (with Payot + religious clothing) sit at the same tables with me to gamble.

Jules is an idiot - I am waiting for her blame Bethenny for portraying her as "a" stupid during her potty training scene.

[kassa]

On 7/21/2016 at 0:19 PM, islandgal140 said:

Sonja, if you say more than 1 time back to back that you are not jealous ... you are jealous. Her saying that she never thought Tom would get married and wasn't the marrying type, makes me think if she had suspected as much she would have been working on him in a different manner as opposed to being a FWB.

I think it's more like dawning horror that he put that out there (to Sonja) about not being the marrying type because she only qualified for FWB, whereas Luann was put on the relationship track.  Ouch.

She's been telling herself for years now that she just has to get through the divorce thing and sow some wild oats out of her system and then she'll marry again, better than ever, and get the yacht and Gstaad back.  It may be dawning now that it's not that simple.

Edited July 22, 2016 by kassa

[KungFuBunny]

27 minutes ago, archer1267 said:

I sense that Adam responds to everything in the same kind of unruffled, blasé tone, whether it's "this cauliflower crust is awesome" or "the building's on fire, grab the dog!!" ("Oh yeah? Okay.")

 

You're right, she completely has specific flailing motions for "back that shit up." And that could be a name of a move from her class routine.

Add in the following moves to her routine to complete the set:

If you don't wanna a sandwich don't make a sandwich

I made it nice!

[izabella]

22 minutes ago, jaync said:

Carole's scenes with Adam this season = secondhand embarrassment. He seems totally baked most of the time (no judgement).

That's why they can eat that food...people with pot munchies will eat anything.

[RHJunkie]

Having seen the picture of the ring, it is actually quite nice. I didn't like how it looked on TV. Still wouldn't be my preference but a nice ring nonetheless.

Count me in as one of those that are in awe of Dorinda's arms. They're the perfect kind of toned.

[HunterHunted]

1 hour ago, ryebread said:

The first time I saw a canary diamond in a store was in Puerto Rico about 20 years ago.  I remember thinking, why would anyone want a yellow diamond? Hasn't DeBeers always drilled into our heads that you have to spend 2 months salary and you want as 'white' of a stone as you can get? Any yellow in a diamond is a no-no.  Against the laws of the 4-c's of diamond buying, dontchaknow!  White = good.  Yellow = bad.  Punishable by death.  That said, they've come a long way and I think Lu's ring is very beautiful.  Although, it could be a yellow topaz for all I know.  Just like a pink diamond - might be rare and fancy but looks like tourmaline, to me.

ETA:  I thought it was mean for Sonja to bag on Lu's ring.  It doesn't look murky to me at all.

Diamonds generally just aren't that rare. The problem is that entities like DeBeers had to come up with new gimmicks to sell diamonds. So first it was diamond engagement rings, then the 4 C's, then x number of months salary, then a diamond is forever, then right hand rings for empowered single women, and now fancy colored diamonds.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/05/fashion/weddings/how-americans-learned-to-love-diamonds.html?_r=0

Colored diamonds are the majority of the diamonds that are mined. True natural brightly colored diamonds are rare. There is just not a real market for most of these naturally colored gems, mostly because the colors are weak, wan, and a little bit murky. There are techniques to enhance the natural color of these stones so that they read brightly colored and sparkly. They can paint them, but my understanding is that many of the fancy color diamonds on the market are irradiated, and or have undergone the high pressure high temperature process. Does anyone remember the brief black diamond trend? I thought that was ridiculous. Those are diamonds that are so many inclusions that they're opaque.

There is also a great, but old, article in the Atlantic about how there is no real secondary market for diamonds. DeBeers has convinced people that diamonds are an investment, but if you go to sell it you'd be lucky to get half of what you spent. The article is by Edward Epstein and it's called "Have You Ever Tried to Sell a Diamond?"

LuAnn's ring looks better in the picture than it did on TV. It's actually funny that Sonja is so jealous and butthurt about the size of LuAnn's diamond because if either of them went to sell their rings, they'd both get a lot less than they would anticipate.

[izabella]

I suspect the Count gave Lu a lovely diamond for their engagement, and probably more jewelry over the years.  I can understand if she wants one in a different color now.  New man, new jewelry, fresh start.  The only thing that matters is what Lu thinks of her diamond, and everything but "congratulations" and "how pretty!" are churlish comments and reek of jealousy (looking at you, Sonja!).

[KungFuBunny]

20 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

I don't think Bethenny has to invite Jules to her launches.  I do think there are probably a fair number of consumers with food issues who purchase Skinnygirl products.  Bethenny's healthier eating tips in the old days did vary all that much from Jules.  Sample everything, order a steak take one bite.

I am kind of alone in this belief, but from Jules has aid about her ED, I thought maybe her bigger problem was Bulimia. I can't think of how anorexic would rise to horror stories that would gross me out.  I have seen an episode of "Intervention" with a beautiful young girl and buckets of vomit in her room. I know one can have both, but when she said she had thrown her food up three days earlier, I just always thought of Bulimia.

Funny graphic of your Ramona jones.

On the show, Jules has only referred to having an ED. She never named/labelled it. In her TH she said you name it I had it. It wasn't until the Joanne dinner that Jules said she was bulimic.

In Jules NYPost interview, the intro was the writer saying Jules downed 4 cans of RedBull, in this interview Jules said she was both anorexic and bulimic.

Prior to reading the interview, I thought Jules was anorexic because she is always fake chewing. I've seen her drink but not eat...and that psyching herself ritual she had to do before taking a bite of Carole's pizza said to me she doesn't want to put anything in her stomach.

Thanks re my RaJonesing as I in turn understand that many can't stand her and that's okay.

[ryebread]

38 minutes ago, BananaRama said:

I think Carole is trying to be a realist and because her husband passed away at a young age - her outlook on her future is dark.  Remember her comment about having just 5 good summers left?

When Carole said that, it seemed so overdramatic. Who says that?  Maybe "the relationship will run five more years".  But Five Good Summers?  It sounded like she was trying to romanticize it - almost like it was going to be the title of her next book.  Hmmmm.  Now there's an idea....

182 books with the word 'summer' in the title 

ETA:  Oops. Already done.  Sort of.  There's also a poem by William Wordsworth that references five summers.

Edited July 22, 2016 by ryebread

[Yours Truly]

32 minutes ago, kassa said:

I think it's more like dawning horror that he put that out there (to Sonja) about not being the marrying type because she only qualified for FWB, whereas Luann was put on the relationship track.  Ouch.

She's been telling herself for years now that she just has to get through the divorce thing and get certain behaviors out of her system and then she'll marry again, better than ever, and get the yacht and Gstaad back.  It may be dawning now that it's not that simple.

What it boils down to is that with Lu and Tom it's a point blank definition that Sonja's the one you bang whereas Lu is the one you marry.

I'm not saying that that is actually the case but it can't be that far of a thought when a situation like this plays out right in front of you and for others to have a front seat to as well.

I'm not surprised Sonja is feeling a certain kind of way cause no matter how "cool" you are with throwing it around convincing yourself women power and all that seeing how quickly Tom scooped up Lu (who in Sonja's mind isn't anything extremely different or better than her) makes ya wonder what was the deciding factor? What about YOU didn't make the 8 carat cut?

Add that Sonja is probably taking stock of her life as well as the mileage on her pistachio and realizes that maybe men don't really consider her the best catch. Lu may have a healthy sexual appetite but she isn't as gauche about it and doesn't describe her love life in such tasteless ways or is eager to put her sexual conquests on display. There's a difference between being active and being overtly indiscriminate about who you let up in there regularly. I always think about that conversation she had back in seasons past explaining that she labels her men by the days of the week. As in "oh him? He's Tuesday...." I mean come on. Not to mention how quick she is to announce that she's slept with another cast members current love interest or ex or what have you. She's done this over and over again on camera throughout the seasons.

Carole's- Russ

Aviva's- Harry

Lu's- Tom

Kellys- Ex

Anyone else I missed?

Then she wonders why Lu snagged a man while she's pondering what is it about Lu?? No honey what is it about YOU and I think that's were she is right now. It's dawning on her and I think she's lashing out out of embarrassment over the realization that her love life can paint the picture of those old school standards about the one's YOU DON'T bring home to mother. She's sexually free and all that but I don't think she's ever felt that she herself fits in the category of women of ill repute and this it starting to ring some bells in her mind hence the nastiness. Basically the situation implies that Lu's the one worth marrying while Sonja is the one you bang behind closed doors who's mascara is smeared and who has had one too many but is still up for a whirl.

The slam bam thank you ma'am isn't the nicest role. Believe me, been there, done that and Sonja convinces herself that it's all good cause she's a WILLING and KNOWING participant and it's on HER terms but no matter how you slice it small actions or words or routine cliche's from the men still have a sting. Even if they don't mean to. It's the circumstance, the scene that plays out afterwards that stick with you. No matter how nice they try and be or what they say at the end of the day translation? "Thanks for the fuck Sonya, it's been fun, see ya when I see. Til next time, I'll let ya know. I'll call you don't call me" and on and on and on. I get the feeling this has been playing on loop in Sonja's mind lately with this engagement of Lu's.

I can see Tom AND Lu getting over each other reputations on the scene cause I don't think there's anything too scandalous there but then you have Sonja and basically all of her gauche admissions and oversharing to the point I would expect some men may actually be embarrassed to even admit they hit it cause she's a bit distasteful with how she approaches and then relays her love life to the masses.

Edited July 22, 2016 by Yours Truly

[ryebread]

24 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

The article is by Edward Epstein and it's called "Have You Ever Tried to Sell a Diamond?"

I've read that before.  It's great.  Sounds like you're interested in the marketing of diamonds, too. There's also another good article out there about "chocolate" diamonds and how they gained popularity. Chocolate, like sex, sells.

Sonja is jealous.  But I think it's because Lu snagged herself a man.  Not that it's Tom.  I think Tom is probably a bit of a joke in the tight knit Upper East Side circle.  That's why, in my dreams, Lu will eventually come to her senses, once the giddiness wears off, and dump him. Sonja and Ramona can't be the only two of her friends who dated him.  Imo, he's not that great of a catch.

ETA:  Found it, Hunterhunted. And it's on Jezebel. Good stuff.

http://jezebel.com/the-truth-about-chocolate-diamonds-5887100

Edited July 22, 2016 by ryebread

[HumblePi]

2 hours ago, ScoobieDoobs said:

Was Adam ignoring Carole in their scene?  I was so bored by them, I didn't notice.  Well, asshole Jimmy more than ignores Meghan.  He looks like he hates being anywhere near her.  Just look st his blubber-lipped mug & you can plainly see how he shudders when she gets anywhere him.  Yeesh.

When Carole was speaking to him, Adam did have that same bored, checked-out, spaced-out gaze Jimmy ALWAYS has when Meghan babbles to him.  The diff is Adam ALWAYS has that look.  So it's kinda hard to tell if Adam is bored by Carole -- or merely bored in general.   Or is Adam (as I suspect) just an extremely dull young man?

I mean, maybe she finds the low energy stoner thing hot?  And maybe to him, she's useful for her Village place & a kitchen for him to cook his icky-looking food?  Idk, I can't figure those 2 out at all.  Why do they stay together?  Is Adam too passive & lazy to find someone his own age?  Does Carole merely get off on the ego boost of being able to say she has a bf 20 years younger, even if he is dull as all hell? Honestly, I'm not curious enough to see any more scenes of them alone.  Too fuckin' boring!

I just don't like Adam and don't understand what Carole sees in him -- or him in her other than they are both functioning adults that are able to have intercourse. It's like buying the cheap underwear at Walmart marked 'Basics', they do the job but nobody wants to show them by walking a runway wearing them. I wouldn't be drawn to Adam even if I was 22 years old, horny and looked like a female Mickey Rourke. I don't find him attractive in the least but I'm more intrigued by men that have functioning brains or can put at least four words together to form a sentence. I almost expect to hear the the word 'duh' coming out of Adams mouth. I find his disheveled appearance to be a big turnoff particularly someone that prepares food. He just looks dirty and I wouldn't trust that he'd be washing his hands after taking a pee before slicing up some awful looking radish sushi. I never got caught up into the whole Seattle grunge look I guess but it's great that Carole has SOMEONE in her life. I don't get the sense that there's a whole lot of intelligent, handsome, successful adult men that are knocking each other over to date Carole. We've seen enough of Adam and if we're lucky he'll hop on his little bicycle and pedal off into the sunset in pursuit of his dreams of publishing a cookbook for grammar school cafeteria workers.

Edited July 22, 2016 by HumblePi

[archer1267]

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She's been telling herself for years now that she just has to get through the divorce thing and sow some wild oats out of her system and then she'll marry again, better than ever, and get the yacht and Gstaad back.  It may be dawning now that it's not that simple.

I think she could have if she didn't do the show. If Sonja wasn't a castmate on RHONY, would her missteps be as publicly-aired and well known? Hard to say. I'm sure they would have been talked about among those who know her, but the average person certainly wouldn't have known about them. Sonja also did herself no favors with the toaster oven, her various business ventures with possibly-shady partners and not knowing which end was up, and being a drunk mess. (I just remembered that she had a DUI incident a few years ago.) It doesn't help that she's usually with boyfriends who are in their 20s and not the type who can give her the security or lifestyle she wants.

Sonja's pretty, in great shape, well-traveled, and fun. On paper, she wouldn't have trouble getting a second husband (well, I don't think the odds favor her, given the demographics of unmarried men vs. unmarried women over 40). But as Heather once said to her, "[Sonja] can't get out of [her] own way!"

[JakeyJokes]

42 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

On the show, Jules has only referred to having an ED. She never named/labelled it. In her TH she said you name it I had it. It wasn't until the Joanne dinner that Jules said she was bulimic.

In Jules NYPost interview, the intro was the writer saying Jules downed 4 cans of RedBull, in this interview Jules said she was both anorexic and bulimic.

Prior to reading the interview, I thought Jules was anorexic because she is always fake chewing. I've seen her drink but not eat...and that psyching herself ritual she had to do before taking a bite of Carole's pizza said to me she doesn't want to put anything in her stomach.

Thanks re my RaJonesing as I in turn understand that many can't stand her and that's okay.

I sincerely hope she wasn't on Adderall at the time she downed four Red Bulls. The woman's heart is gonna explode if she keeps that up. I hypocritically say that as an anxious abuser of 5 hour energy drinks who is constantly told by friends to cut back.

[AuntiePam]

On 7/20/2016 at 9:48 PM, archer1267 said:

Ok, how does Jules not know the right way to wipe??

 

I grew up before there was much health information in school, and especially no 'female' health.  I didn't know the right way to wipe until I was being prepped to have my first baby, in 1964. (Did you know that shaving and an enema were standard?  Yep.) 

If she did indeed have poop and pee "all over the house" with the older child, the pro is a good investment.  But she could just as easily have read any one of hundreds of child care books, or searched YouTube. 

[cuphead]

17 hours ago, LIMOM said:

Plus if they film the wedding for bravo ,it will be great weather and scenery.

Hopefully, Lulu finangle a special episode, the other women will die.

After all, Nene, Bethanny,Laurie, Tamra Cynthia got their freebies, Luanne more than earn her spot, IMO.

Yup.  Palm Beach is great.  I used to spend a lot of time there and you can't beat the winters in Florida.

Does Tom come from the D'agastino family who owns the supermarket chain?

[ghoulina]

20 hours ago, thebestcasey said:

My daughter was about 4 when she was potty trained.  She is right on the edge of the spectrum, has always been delayed a bit in hitting milestones (didn't walk until 18 mos, late talker, etc) and has an enhanced startle reflex, which means the toilet flushing used to be very traumatic.  We tried at 2 and she was NOT HAVING it, so we waited until she basically asked.  Some kids just won't do it and our pediatrician said there are two battles you cannot win so don't try--potty training and making them eat certain foods.

Sounds JUST like my little girl. She hates loud noises. It's gotten better. I remember when she was 2 and we couldn't play outside if a neighbor was mowing or using power tools. She would just shake and shake and cry. I'll admit, I was worried she would never potty train, but it was so easy when I waited until she was ready. She's my 3rd and that's what I've realized about parenting - it's so much easier if you don't push things. I quit following milestone guidelines years ago. 

Jules's kids seem right on track, except Jagger - who is a bit mature and watching content that says "asshole" on Youtube. 

21 hours ago, b2H said:

I am willing to give Jules a pass on this.  If you have to call in a potty-training consultant, it is highly probable that the consultant would have some new-fangled philosophy on how it should be done.  Don't blame Jules one bit.

Except Jules was the one who brought it up. And she was asking like she was confused, not certain the correct way to wipe. I don't know why it's that confusing. I was always told you wipe from the front to the back, so you don't risk contaminating you hoo-ha with bacteria from your rectal area. 

[jaync]

I thought Carole said she only has about five good summers left, and that Adam has about twenty?

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A big chunk of her business are all of her food items.  Promoting a healthier life style and making better choices.

Skinny/low-cal doesn't necessarily mean healthier. With all the promoting of SG that's inundated this show, I don't recall Beth ever mentioning how/why her brand is a more wholesome alternative to other similar processed, dietary products.

Think we'll ever see Rocco again?

[KungFuBunny]

43 minutes ago, HumblePi said:

I just don't like Adam and don't understand what Carole sees in him -- or him in her other than they are both functioning adults that are able to have intercourse. It's like buying the cheap underwear at Walmart marked 'Basics', they do the job but nobody wants to show them by walking a runway wearing them. I wouldn't be drawn to Adam even if I was 22 years old, horny and looked like a female Mickey Rourke. I don't find him attractive in the least but I'm more intrigued by men that have functioning brains or can put at least four words together to form a sentence. I almost expect to hear the the word 'duh' coming out of Adams mouth. I find his disheveled appearance to be a big turnoff particularly someone that prepares food. He just looks dirty and I wouldn't trust that he'd be washing his hands after taking a pee before slicing up some awful looking radish sushi. I never got caught up into the whole Seattle grunge look I guess but it's great that Carole has SOMEONE in her life. I don't get the sense that there's a whole lot of intelligent, handsome, successful adult men that are knocking each other over to date Carole. We've seen enough of Adam and if we're lucky he'll hop on his little bicycle and pedal off into the sunset in pursuit of his dreams of publishing a cookbook for grammar school cafeteria workers.

 

Adam generates negative 10 Watermelon Radishes

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

Dorinda doing the aerobics was one of the best things I have ever seen on RHoNY I laughed out loud that was great! The "back that shit up" & "I made it nice" will take the world by storm!

The Vulture recap was genius particularly the reference to "Mary Ploppins" (the potty trainer professional). It also refers to sadness. I am sad for Sonja with her daughter becoming more independent I think the writing is on the wall for her. Hopefully she will downsize gracefully and lose the grandiose ideas behind and be successful. 

I call foul on B having to ski in Colorado. She must have had an appearance, or a place booked with friends (boyfriend), or wanted the paps. Maybe she wanted to miss the Luann engagement dinner. Stowe, Mt. Snow, Mad River Glen are lovely safe places for your child to learn to ski w/cushy resorts.

Marriage is a trade off. Tom and Luann apparently are both getting what they want and need. Good on them. He's a few rungs up from Harry Dubin (but not many) and I think Luann's truth is there's a side of her from Berlin CT that's the same. 

[pbutler111]

"But no one has had it (OFFICIALLY) more than Sonja, who refuses to hold back one iota during her confessionals. On LuAnn's canary diamond ring, Sonja says, "This whole situation is loaded," and proceeds to talk about her own white diamond ring which Tom bought her."

Maybe I misheard things, but I don't think Sonja ever suggested that TOM bought her a diamond ring, did she? I thought Sonja was talking about her own engagement ring, the one she got from her ex-husband. I'd think there would have been a MUCH bigger deal made of things if Sonja had claimed to have been engaged to Tom, rather than them just being fuck buddies.

[KungFuBunny]

36 minutes ago, AuntiePam said:

I grew up before there was much health information in school, and especially no 'female' health.  I didn't know the right way to wipe until I was being prepped to have my first baby, in 1964. (Did you know that shaving and an enema were standard?  Yep.) 

If she did indeed have poop and pee "all over the house" with the older child, the pro is a good investment.  But she could just as easily have read any one of hundreds of child care books, or searched YouTube. 

I think the nanny knows more English than she lets on cause she was sure giving the whole deal the Stink Eye (like bitch pay me an extra $500 a week) and I'll do it.

[jaync]

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That's why they can eat that food...people with pot munchies will eat anything.

Hah, good point. When the cameras aren't around, they probably break out the Cap'n Crunch and Doritos.

[KungFuBunny]

43 minutes ago, JakeyJokes said:

I sincerely hope she wasn't on Adderall at the time she downed four Red Bulls. The woman's heart is gonna explode if she keeps that up. I hypocritically say that as an anxious abuser of 5 hour energy drinks who is constantly told by friends to cut back.

Jules also drank Red Bull at Mohegan Sun during her conversation with Sonja. I've never drank any so is this stuff high in calories and what's in it to give you energy?