S08.E15: All Bets Are Off

[ElDosEquis]

7 minutes ago, Normades said:

I believe that no matter how many people are disgusted by B's behavior, at the Reunion she will turn it into the poor B pity party.  She'll say "Oh, I was under so much stress being so sick."  This will be her way to deflect and excuse it all.  Just like Jules' health problem is so difficult for her because of her mother's ED.  It makes me want to scream, but I can see it coming.  

Also, I have to say kadooz to Lu for saying that B has zero empathy for people while discussing her health issues cuz I cringe every time. I just DON'T WANT TO HEAR THOSE DETAILS!!  And every time I see ED referenced for "Eating Disorder," I initially think of another issue for men, treated by Viagra.  

And Methenny screaming throughout, "No, you said.....", "That's not the way I remember it.....", "I was/We were kidding about it...."

[bichonblitz]

I'm going to dip in to the shallow and superficial end of the pool for a minute. 

I think Carole and Bethenny are jealous of Jules. Yep. Good old fashioned female jealousy. Of the superficial kind. Like it or not, Jules is much younger than these two shrews. They don't like that.  And while grossly underweight, Jules is very beautiful. Something C and B have never been and will never be.  Wasn't Jules a model at one time? When she is just casual she is very pretty and when she is dressed up she is stunning. Oh, and she also happens to be a very nice person despite all of her hangups, disorders and manic nervousness. Something C and B will never be, nice. There is no other reason I can possibly think of for the way they treat Jules. 

[shoegal]

18 minutes ago, izabella said:

Honestly, even if she had the worst childhood in the world and suffered so much damage, that doesn't mean she has license to be an asshole to other people.  It doesn't even help to make her assholery understandable.  Many, many people have had horrible childhoods AND adulthoods, and yet, they can still function politely in society and don't run around screaming "Whore!  Plastic Fuck Doll!  Get off my jock!"  at people.  They even manage to go to therapy or otherwise work through their issues and develop loving, long-standing relationships with people.

I agree, however, this isn't polite society.  This is reality tv, and on top of that, the land of Real Housewives, where nice and polite gets you axed and quickly forgotten.  For better or worse, Bethenny is IMO made for this show.  It suits her....she can scream and fight with the best of them, be vulnerable and apologize, laugh, have fun but talk shit.   If we wanted to watch loving, long standing relationships, Real Housewives is the wrong place.  IMO.  MMV.

[ElDosEquis]

14 hours ago, Midnight Cheese said:

Did you...and that's why Carole is wilding out on Twitter cuz she was a snatch and she knows it.  And she should stop both wilding out and Jocelyn Wildensteining out with the fucking injectibles.

I think you have just solved an ongoing mystery as to why Scare-ole hasn't been able to write a book - She does need a ghostwriter because she is incapable of stringing together more than 140 characters at a time?

Edited July 15, 2016 by ElDosEquis
Did you know that 'tide' is 'edit' spelled backwards?

[babykin]

Carole blocked me after 2 tweets telling her to stop bullying someone with an eating disorder. She is RANTING and very very defensive. I feel sort of proud. LOL.

[izabella]

I'm annoyed that the reunion was taped so early, before the audience got to see all this.  There won't be any questions from viewers about any of the heinous behavior of the two crows yet to come, and I'm sure there will be lots of it since there has been lots of it already. 

[HumblePi]

On 7/13/2016 at 9:41 PM, MadLove said:

Michael sure loves his showers, He must be the best smelling piece of shit in NYC!

He showers to get the smell of the other woman off of him.

[izabella]

12 minutes ago, shoegal said:

I agree, however, this isn't polite society.  This is reality tv, and on top of that, the land of Real Housewives, where nice and polite gets you axed and quickly forgotten.  For better or worse, Bethenny is IMO made for this show.  It suits her....she can scream and fight with the best of them, be vulnerable and apologize, laugh, have fun but talk shit.   If we wanted to watch loving, long standing relationships, Real Housewives is the wrong place.  IMO.  MMV.

Remind me when Bethenny has apologized for anything?

[ElDosEquis]

5 minutes ago, shoegal said:

I agree, however, this isn't polite society.  This is reality tv, and on top of that, the land of Real Housewives, where nice and polite gets you axed and quickly forgotten.  For better or worse, Bethenny is IMO made for this show.  It suits her....she can scream and fight with the best of them, be vulnerable and apologize, laugh, have fun but talk shit.   If we wanted to watch loving, long standing relationships, Real Housewives is the wrong place.  IMO.  MMV.

No, not interested in loving, long standing relationships when I watch the show. I do enjoy the snark, drama and hijinks. NOT a huge fan of the mealy-mouthed, nasty attacks on other castmates.

If I had a friend who became unhinged and called names I wouldn't normally use for people I disliked, I wouldn't want to really care to keep that person as a acquaintance. Your friends are a reflection on you, your taste and to the way you want to viewed by others.

[ElDosEquis]

3 minutes ago, HumblePi said:

He showers to get the smell of the other woman off of him.

THAT IS what he gets for sleeping with women that smell.

[shoegal]

3 minutes ago, izabella said:

Remind me when Bethenny has apologized for anything?

She just apologized to Sonja, yes? 

[NewDigs]

16 hours ago, OhGromit said:

Just took a look at Bethenny's twitter feed (i.e. the tweets she's receiving, not just her tweets), and I can't believe how many positive tweets she gets, and how few negative ones.  Ugh.  Very frustrating.  I'm looking to the social media sphere to smack down Bethenny (and Carole), and I'm not sure it's happening.  

 

15 hours ago, WireWrap said:

I believe that Bethenny has someone delete any negative tweet she receives. She controls her SM with an iron fist!

^^^ Bet they work for Carol too.

[shoegal]

6 minutes ago, ElDosEquis said:

No, not interested in loving, long standing relationships when I watch the show. I do enjoy the snark, drama and hijinks. NOT a huge fan of the mealy-mouthed, nasty attacks on other castmates.

If I had a friend who became unhinged and called names I wouldn't normally use for people I disliked, I wouldn't want to really care to keep that person as a acquaintance. Your friends are a reflection on you, your taste and to the way you want to viewed by others.

Along that line, are our viewing habits a reflection of us?  For all the moaning about how Bethenny and Carole are evil, vile, disgusting, horrible, mean, nasty, etc..... here we are, watching them.  Voluntarily.  Week after week.

[ElDosEquis]

18 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

I'm going to dip in to the shallow and superficial end of the pool for a minute. 

I think Carole and Bethenny are jealous of Jules. Yep. Good old fashioned female jealousy. Of the superficial kind. Like it or not, Jules is much younger than these two shrews. They don't like that.  And while grossly underweight, Jules is very beautiful. Something C and B have never been and will never be.  Wasn't Jules a model at one time? When she is just casual she is very pretty and when she is dressed up she is stunning. Oh, and she also happens to be a very nice person despite all of her hangups, disorders and manic nervousness. Something C and B will never be, nice. There is no other reason I can possibly think of for the way they treat Jules. 

Look at where Jules was at and compare that to the Toxic Twins and their set up?

[ElDosEquis]

9 minutes ago, shoegal said:

Along that line, are our viewing habits a reflection of us?  For all the moaning about how Bethenny and Carole are evil, vile, disgusting, horrible, mean, nasty, etc..... here we are, watching them.  Voluntarily.  Week after week.

Right, because they wreck the fabulosity that is Luann's impending marriage, Sonja's place settings, Jules bruised vulva, Dorinda calling balls and strikes and the pontoons Ramona had implanted on her chest. 

I like a good wedding, dinner at a nice table, baseball, vagina and impossibly large breasts?

Edited July 15, 2016 by ElDosEquis
I forgot America's past time.

[shoegal]

1 minute ago, ElDosEquis said:

Right, because they wreck the fabulosity that is Luann's impending marriage, Sonja's place settings, Jules bruised vulva, Dorinda calling balls and strikes and the pontoons Ramona had implanted on her chest. 

I like a good wedding, dinner at a nice table, vagina and impossibly large breasts?

For sure, Sonja's place settings are a hot topic! 

[Yours Truly]

18 hours ago, ihartcoffee said:

Does anyone else find it odd that two of the thinnest women on the show are all over Jules about her weight?  Carole wanted to take her kitchen out and B posted a pic that everyone freaked on of her in her daughter's PJs. 

I have a feeling they are pissed that someone like her is on the show and therefore ED will be at the TOP of everyone's mind. Carole and Beth have had previous brushes with this topic and accusations so for Jules to be coming on the show looking so unhealthy and ADMITTING to ED as well as exhibiting her struggles on the show they KNOW they are going to be hit with ricochets over it and that a spotlight will include them too. This just came to me and honestly I'm like woah makes total sense. They've been trying to sidestep the issue for a while now and they've managed, for the most part, to keep those questions as a footnote on the show but now Jules just blew all that out of the water and they are resentful that her problems is going to bring up what they've been trying to downplay all this time. Whether true or not true I expect they are not happy that they now have to revisit and defend yet again that they are not "unhealthy" skinny, just skinny.

This also explains why Carole keeps running around talking about "responsibility" all over the place. She wants Jules to represent in a way that is totally opposite from anything that seems similar to how Carole behaves and not just looks. This is why Carole keeps drawing attention to how Jules treats food. She's making a conscious effort to focus on the disorder in terms of Jules relationship with food so that viewers have other things to relate ED to and not just think being skinny defines the disorder. That's why Beth and Carole are making a conscious effort to highlight Jules "bizarre" behavior so they can attribute it to being yet another symptom of ED (which some of it is valid) but this way they are making extreme strides to go "looky here, this is what a SICK and UNHEALTHY eating disorder looks like. There's more to it than just being skinny so focus on Jules wacky BEHAVIOR and realize that me and Carole DON'T do any of THAT so please don't just take our weight into account when you find yourselves scrutinizing us and trying to determine if we suffer from it as well".

I think Carole is especially pissed cause she's just one missed meal away from being as skinny as Jules and she knows it and she hates that Jules is a visual example for the viewers of what a person suffering from ED looks like and that example looks very similar to Carole. Now granted I understand that being skinny isn't all there is too it but I'm just explaining Carole's heinous decision to go after Jules the way she is is for self serving reasons. Her and Bethenny. They rather hang this girl out to dry and throw her under the bus just so that they aren't lumped into the same camp as her and I think they are fucking pathetic.

Edited July 15, 2016 by Yours Truly

[ElDosEquis]

Just now, shoegal said:

For sure, Sonja's place settings are a hot topic! 

You betcha, them fancy people use cloth napkins when they eat.....

 

I just put on a clean t-shirt before every meal.

[izabella]

22 minutes ago, shoegal said:

She just apologized to Sonja, yes? 

She actually apologized?  She said "I'm Sorry, Sonja, for ___" ?  I must have missed it, but I admit I have started tuning her out, muting or ff'ing as much as possible when Bethy is on.  What did she apologize for?

[shoegal]

16 minutes ago, izabella said:

She actually apologized?  She said "I'm Sorry, Sonja, for ___" ?  I must have missed it, but I admit I have started tuning her out, muting or ff'ing as much as possible when Bethy is on.  What did she apologize for?

Yes, she did, she actually said "I'm sorry".  She started out saying "I feel bad about everything that happened, I really genuinely do" and then she said "Like, it's impossible not to love you and it breaks my heart, when you came into my office I was so hurt, I wanted so badly to just be constructive, but still like....but I became like an animal, like that was just.....like enraged and I'm sorry for everything that happened".   

Edited July 15, 2016 by shoegal

[jinjer]

21 hours ago, walnutqueen said:

Word on the street is that Jules used a ghostwriter.

 

19 hours ago, esco1822 said:

^THIS a thousand times!!! Of course she did.  Probably the same one that writes Teresa Giudice's blogs. I get being someone who needs time to compose their thoughts as opposed to an on your feet thinker but this is a whole other kettle of fish. It doesn't even "sound" like Jules in her manner or speaking. I'm not buying it.

Unrelated, I keep waiting for someone to point out to Lu that her knowing about Alex in 2 weeks should not be a ringing endorsement about knowing she'll spend her life with Tom.  Um, you and Alex got divorced.  

Word on Carole's street, at Carole's door, on Carole's laptop keys.

[ElDosEquis]

5 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

I have a feeling they are pissed that someone like her is on the show and therefore ED will be at the TOP of everyone's mind. Carole and Beth have had previous brushes with this topic and accusations so for Jules to be coming on the show looking so unhealthy and ADMITTING to ED as well as exhibiting her struggles on the show they KNOW there are going to be hit with ricochets over it and that a spotlight will include them too. This just came to me and honestly I'm like woah makes total sense. They've been trying to sidestep the issue for a while now and they've managed, for the most part, to keep those questions as a footnote on the show but now Jules just blew all that out of the water and they are resentful that her problems is going to bring up what they've been trying to downplay all this time. Whether true or not true I expect they are not happy that they now have to revisit and defend yet again that they are not "unhealthy" skinny, just skinny.

This also explains why Carole keeps running around talking about "responsibility" all over the place. She wants Jules to represent in a way that is totally opposite from anything that seems similar to how Carole behaves and not just looks. This is why Carole keeps drawing attention to how Jules treats food. She's making a conscious effort to focus on the disorder in terms of Jules relationship with food so that viewers have other things to relate ED to and not just think being skinny defines the disorder. That's why Beth and Carole are making a conscious effort to highlight Jules "bizarre" behavior so they can attribute it to being yet another symptom of ED (which some of it is valid) but this way they are making extreme strides to go "looky here, this is what a SICK and UNHEALTHY eating disorder looks like. There's more to it than just being skinny so focus on Jules wacky BEHAVIOR and realize that me and Carole DON'T do any of THAT so please don't just take our weight into account when you find yourselves scrutinizing us and trying to determine if we suffer from it as well".

I think Carole is especially pissed cause she's just one missed meal away from being as skinny as Jules and she know it and she hates that Jules is a visual example for the viewers of what a person suffering from ED looks like at that example looks very similar to Carole. Now granted I understand that being skinny isn't all there is too it but I'm just explaining Carole's heinous decision to go after Jules the way she is is for self serving reasons. Her and Bethenny. They rather hang this girl out to dry and throw her under the bus just so that they aren't lumped into the same camp as her and I think they are fucking pathetic.

There are two terms that magicians use that are "sleight of hand" and "misdirection".

One had to do with tricks done with your hands and the other is getting you look into another direction while they do one?

People with EDs are pretty good at both kinds of tricks.

One is loading up a plate at a function and moving the food around to make it look like they have eaten. Or 'sharing' during a meal - feeding the kids off of their plate? Telling the group that they 'ate before' they got there. Then there are the other, very serious cases where people binge - giving us the illusion everything is OK - then they go off and purge.....

[biakbiak]

13 minutes ago, shoegal said:

Yes, she did, she actually said "I'm sorry".  She started out saying "I feel bad about everything that happened, I really genuinely do" and then she said "Like, it's impossible not to love you and it breaks my heart, when you came into my office I was so hurt, I wanted so badly to just be constructive, but still like....but I became like an animal, like that was just.....like enraged and I'm sorry for everything that happened".   

Yes when she gets tipsy she can sort of apologize to the Tipsy Girl!

[Juneau Gal]

As much as I despise the inclusion of B and Carole on this show, I despise the exclusion of NYC even more. Remember when we used to get Met Balls, Fashion Weeks, lots of Hamptons, walks in Central Park, treks to Brooklyn, Crazy Kelly running down the middle of the road, etc.? Now this show could take place in Any City, USA. 

I long for the days when the disputes were over front row seats at Fashion Week, who was the better tennis player, whether Silex were genuine or not. I am sick to death, no pun intended, of all the sickness storylines across all the Housewives franchises. I don't want or need that kind of reality, I live that. I want to escape for an hour into a world that is, superficially at least, better than mine. I want house porn, city porn, fancy trip porn. I decidedly do not want dried up, bitter shrews who believe they are truth cannons yelling and smugging all over my TV screen. Give me my NYC back again so this girl planted in the wilds of Alaska can daydream of another world. 

[ElDosEquis]

3 minutes ago, Juneau Gal said:

As much as I despise the inclusion of B and Carole on this show, I despise the exclusion of NYC even more. Remember when we used to get Met Balls, Fashion Weeks, lots of Hamptons, walks in Central Park, treks to Brooklyn, Crazy Kelly running down the middle of the road, etc.? Now this show could take place in Any City, USA. 

I long for the days when the disputes were over front row seats at Fashion Week, who was the better tennis player, whether Silex were genuine or not. I am sick to death, no pun intended, of all the sickness storylines across all the Housewives franchises. I don't want or need that kind of reality, I live that. I want to escape for an hour into a world that is, superficially at least, better than mine. I want house porn, city porn, fancy trip porn. I decidedly do not want dried up, bitter shrews who believe they are truth cannons yelling and smugging all over my TV screen. Give me my NYC back again so this girl planted in the wilds of Alaska can daydream of another world. 

What ever happened to just regular porn?

[ryebread]

53 minutes ago, NewDigs said:

^^^ Bet they work for Carol too.

So far, Beth hasn't sprung for anyone to stay on top of and delete negative posts on her bestie, Carole's, twitter pages.  She's getting clobbered, hitting back and sounding like a moron.

[Trooper York]

1 hour ago, bichonblitz said:

I'm going to dip in to the shallow and superficial end of the pool for a minute. 

I think Carole and Bethenny are jealous of Jules. Yep. Good old fashioned female jealousy. Of the superficial kind. Like it or not, Jules is much younger than these two shrews. They don't like that.  And while grossly underweight, Jules is very beautiful. Something C and B have never been and will never be.  Wasn't Jules a model at one time? When she is just casual she is very pretty and when she is dressed up she is stunning. Oh, and she also happens to be a very nice person despite all of her hangups, disorders and manic nervousness. Something C and B will never be, nice. There is no other reason I can possibly think of for the way they treat Jules. 

This exactly right. This is why Bethenny went after Kristen so hard last year.

Jules is very pretty. Exotic and stunning even though she is way too thin. Plus she is very nice if a  little scatterbrained. She sort of reminds me of an Asian/Jewish Lucille Ball.

These other two botoxed skanks are just a horror show.

[film noire]

7 hours ago, shoegal said:

  Let's just take RHOBH for example, you have Kim Richards suffering from alcoholism and Yolanda Foster with a chronic illness.  Remember how caring and considerate the other cast member were to them as they battled their disease? 

The Kim Richards mess was at least nominally predicated on "getting her help", not mocking Kim for being an alcoholic. Yolanda was believed to be lying or exaggerating (or whatever the fuck she was doing), not a genuinely ill woman.  Nobody is an idiot for thinking this shit is beyond the zero-fucks pale. 

Edited July 15, 2016 by film noire

[OFDgal]

22 hours ago, Yours Truly said:

It was the intimate nature of everyone involved. Also one player was her niece. I don't get how anyone wouldn't understand that logic usually doesn't flow exactly the same way when its a close loved one involved in a hurtful or awkward situation. Do people not distinguish their feelings from family vs. acquaintances?

I agree.  I think that Luann wouldn't have given a shit about Carol and Adam if not for her niece.  It was an awkward situation even if they weren't dating. I'm sure that Luann and her niece discussed Carol going after Adam at her house because they are family. I would have felt the same as Luann but would have kept those feelings to family members and wouldn't have been vocal about it to others and Carol.  On another note, my daughter and friends met Andy at a couple of clubs in Boston last night and took selfies.  She said he's short but was friendly.

[WireWrap]

37 minutes ago, shoegal said:

Yes, she did, she actually said "I'm sorry".  She started out saying "I feel bad about everything that happened, I really genuinely do" and then she said "Like, it's impossible not to love you and it breaks my heart, when you came into my office I was so hurt, I wanted so badly to just be constructive, but still like....but I became like an animal, like that was just.....like enraged and I'm sorry for everything that happened".   

Yes, she apologized to Sonja but only time will tell if she really meant it or if she only did it to get Sonja on her side against Jules/Dorinda/Luann. IMO, Bethenny decided that Sonja could be of use to her and that is the only reason she apologized, but as I said, only time will tell.

[izabella]

8 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Yes, she apologized to Sonja but only time will tell if she really meant it or if she only did it to get Sonja on her side against Jules/Dorinda/Luann. IMO, Bethenny decided that Sonja could be of use to her and that is the only reason she apologized, but as I said, only time will tell.

I think she saw that NO ONE was especially invested in totally ostracizing Sonja, Luann AND Jules (except for Carole, of course) just because SkinnyGargoyle wanted them to and just because she was feuding with them.  Much as this show has become SkinnyGargoyle Advertising Hour, even Bethy can't film a show with only Carole and Ramona, because Carole is boring and Ramona is a twit with ZERO storyline this season.  At some point, she has to get on the bus with everyone else.

Edited July 15, 2016 by izabella

[njbchlover]

I find it interesting that there is no blog on the Bravo site from Bethenny this week.  Her blog is usually one of the first ones up after an episode airs, defending herself or giving excuses for her awful behavior.  It's interesting because this is really the first time that someone has actually called Bethenny out on her nastiness to her face, in a fairly rational manner and in front of the other women, and she has nothing to say about it?  

[KungFuBunny]

2 hours ago, shoegal said:

Agree.  Jules went on the show after 7 seasons, in the middle of an eating disorder and her marriage falling apart, and she thought this would be good for her??  Honestly, the pull of reality TV fame must be too strong for some.  The only thing that I can think of that would be remotely beneficial to Jules in a legitimate way is the income, and maybe she has no skills or experience to have a job/career/source of income any other way.  However, Jules is an idiot if she thought that she was the special snowflake and would be immune to any of the regular trappings of Real Housewives stardom.  This is a show that in addition to the normal throw you down on the ground and rip your hair out fighting, we have divorce, prison stints, relapsing alcoholics, fake cancer, suicide....I mean, what the fuck was Jules thinking?  Let's just take RHOBH for example, you have Kim Richards suffering from alcoholism and Yolanda Foster with a chronic illness.  Remember how caring and considerate the other cast member were to them as they battled their disease?  Remember all the support they received from fans and Bravo and how everyone rallied around them to help them recover and only showed support and lifted them up as they battled their disease??  Remember??

Ummmmm, yeah.  Jules is a fucking idiot.

Jules did an interview with the New York Post when they first announced she was the new cast member on RHNY. She said she has always dreamed of being on a Reality Show. I’m not sure if “always” includes the time she was hospitalized in her 20’s during her break from college for treatment for her ED.

She has been a fan of RHNY so she has seen the cat fights, cattiness, and the talking behind each others backs. Every HW show includes TH from every cast member and in some cases you may have TH from the spouses – doesn’t this fall under talking behind people’s backs?

She went through an interview process. She went through a test film process. She went through a negotiation process. She signed a contract. Michael had to sign also even if it was just a release form for himself and the kids. Getting an Apple is not an overnight process.

What Jules has claimed Carole and Bethenny have done to her she has done herself to her husband who she stated was her “best friend”.

She has spoken negatively of him and his parenting skills. She has spoken of him to the other cast members and in her TH shots on multiple occasions. She has made snide comments about him. This is in contradiction to what we’ve seen of him on film. I have not seen him treat her disrespectfully at any time.

While I think Jules is an idiot, I also think she is manipulative and slick. I think she also is used to painting herself the victim.

I don’t think she will get an Apple for next season. Michael filed for divorce and I see him going the route of Kelsey Grammer, Simon Barney, Eddie Cibrian, Morgan, Dina’s ex.. .where he will refuse to allow his children to be filmed and also refuse any adobe where he is listed as the owner of being filmed.  The stay at home Supermom (invisible kids), getting a divorce (can’t go into details), ED (while open can only talk about it one on one but not when she’s not around), Representative and owner of a cleanse (but uses alternate ways of vacating the contents of her stomach). Got nothing left to film.

[trimthatfat]

1 hour ago, bichonblitz said:

I'm going to dip in to the shallow and superficial end of the pool for a minute. 

I think Carole and Bethenny are jealous of Jules. Yep. Good old fashioned female jealousy. Of the superficial kind. Like it or not, Jules is much younger than these two shrews. They don't like that.  And while grossly underweight, Jules is very beautiful. Something C and B have never been and will never be.  Wasn't Jules a model at one time? When she is just casual she is very pretty and when she is dressed up she is stunning. Oh, and she also happens to be a very nice person despite all of her hangups, disorders and manic nervousness. Something C and B will never be, nice. There is no other reason I can possibly think of for the way they treat Jules. 

Yeah, I think this is spot on. I also think this is why she went so hard on Kristen last season.

Other than Jules bizarre calzone incident, I don't agree that her issues impact the group the way say, Kim Richards impacted RHOBH. I think that Carole and Bethenny had nefarious intentions when they decided to discuss Jules and her issues on camera. It did not come from a place of concern at all. Carole spends every scene puckering up to Bethenny's ass and taking on her battles. You would think she was a 6th grader trying to get the attention of the popular girl.

[Yours Truly]

10 minutes ago, OFDgal said:

I agree.  I think that Luann wouldn't have given a shit about Carol and Adam if not for her niece.  It was an awkward situation even if they weren't dating. I'm sure that Luann and her niece discussed Carol going after Adam at her house because they are family. I would have felt the same as Luann but would have kept those feelings to family members and wouldn't have been vocal about it to others and Carol.  On another note, my daughter and friends met Andy at a couple of clubs in Boston last night and took selfies.  She said he's short but was friendly.

Thank YOU! She obviousy mishandled the situation not doubt there but to be completely blind to the validity of where it all stemmed from just seems so unnecessary. I mean it's right there in plain sight what some of the causes were. No need to invent or stretch the imagination to come up with anything else.

[OhGromit]

32 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Yes, she apologized to Sonja but only time will tell if she really meant it or if she only did it to get Sonja on her side against Jules/Dorinda/Luann. IMO, Bethenny decided that Sonja could be of use to her and that is the only reason she apologized, but as I said, only time will tell.

Agree.  I think line producers told B that Sonja was doing well in her scenes and was as loveable as ever.  B is constantly fighting and then realizing with horror what she did (e.g. the Berkshires fight morning-after "hangover") and then trying to clean it up to keep the audience from turning on her.  B realized Sonja was going to win the fight for viewers' affection.  So I think her so-called "apology" to Sonja was all about realizing she couldn't best/ get rid of Sonja that easily and manipulating the story line so that they could be "friends" again, all so B could to cover over the stink of B's overagression and save face with viewers.  Just like a cat shoveling sand over its poops.  It's not sorry it pooped, it just wants to cover the evidence.  

Edited July 15, 2016 by OhGromit

[shoegal]

31 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

Jules did an interview with the New York Post when they first announced she was the new cast member on RHNY. She said she has always dreamed of being on a Reality Show. I’m not sure if “always” includes the time she was hospitalized in her 20’s during her break from college for treatment for her ED.

She has been a fan of RHNY so she has seen the cat fights, cattiness, and the talking behind each others backs. Every HW show includes TH from every cast member and in some cases you may have TH from the spouses – doesn’t this fall under talking behind people’s backs?

She went through an interview process. She went through a test film process. She went through a negotiation process. She signed a contract. Michael had to sign also even if it was just a release form for himself and the kids. Getting an Apple is not an overnight process.

What Jules has claimed Carole and Bethenny have done to her she has done herself to her husband who she stated was her “best friend”.

She has spoken negatively of him and his parenting skills. She has spoken of him to the other cast members and in her TH shots on multiple occasions. She has made snide comments about him. This is in contradiction to what we’ve seen of him on film. I have not seen him treat her disrespectfully at any time.

While I think Jules is an idiot, I also think she is manipulative and slick. I think she also is used to painting herself the victim.

I don’t think she will get an Apple for next season. Michael filed for divorce and I see him going the route of Kelsey Grammer, Simon Barney, Eddie Cibrian, Morgan, Dina’s ex.. .where he will refuse to allow his children to be filmed and also refuse any adobe where he is listed as the owner of being filmed.  The stay at home Supermom (invisible kids), getting a divorce (can’t go into details), ED (while open can only talk about it one on one but not when she’s not around), Representative and owner of a cleanse (but uses alternate ways of vacating the contents of her stomach). Got nothing left to film.

A-to-the-freaking-men!  I am willing to go farther and say that the main reason Jules was cast is because she has an eating disorder and Jules freaking knows it! Obviously the desire for reality TV fame is the most important thing to Jules.  Then she wants to clutch her pearls (or pearl necklace as the case may be) and be outraged that the other housewives dare to talk about her eating disorder??  On camera??  "behind her back"??  Bitch, please.  Get a clue. 

Or a verb. 

[Sai]

37 minutes ago, njbchlover said:

I find it interesting that there is no blog on the Bravo site from Bethenny this week.  Her blog is usually one of the first ones up after an episode airs, defending herself or giving excuses for her awful behavior.  It's interesting because this is really the first time that someone has actually called Bethenny out on her nastiness to her face, in a fairly rational manner and in front of the other women, and she has nothing to say about it?  

I've also been wondering why no blog from her this week.  Very interesting indeed.

[HunterHunted]

11 hours ago, ichbin said:

All of these women can be miserable wretches in their own ways and each has had the spotlight put upon her at various times.  Most can play the up and down game and hold their own.  Jules, however, does not fit in with this bunch in any way other than the fact she lives in Manhattan, is female,has given birth, and lives an expensive lifestyle.

 I do not understand why someone decided to make her a member of this cast.  She's too young.  She does not appear to have had a career of any note prior to becoming a wife and mother with means.  Supposedly Dorinda played a part in bringing her on the show.  I have to wonder if that was to take attention off herself and John.  I simply can't believe it was because Dorinda legitimately felt she would fit in.  Add to that the eating disorder and marital issues which appear to have been  present prior to joining the show.  I have to ask what motivated Jules to sign on and put herself in the line of fire, by both dealing with the other cast mates along public scrutiny as well.  It seems she was already balancing a full plate.    

I may be standing alone or in in a very small group about this but Jules taking on Bethenny and/or Carole does nothing to make me forget how big a twit she has been up until now.     She sticks out from this bunch of women like a sore thumb.

I think Jules is a bust as a cast member. She's not all that smart. She seems to have no real interests. And her life seems to be unraveling in a real and sad way.

This show used to feel really New York. We used to see New York events and New York places. I feel like we lost the last bit of this when Heather left the cast. She sang some cabaret at Birdland. She had her Yummie salon in the Bloomies flagship last season. Heather and Carole would gossip and walk the Highline. This show no longer feels New Yorky.

Even though they are all younger than the RHoNY cast, I would have loved a little bit of crossover with the Blood Sweat and Heels cast. Demetria has always given me a baby Bethenny vibe. She often does women's empowerment seminars like the one Bethenny botched. Mica and Chantelle both have modeling and talent agencies. And Arzo has a clothing showroom for new and upcoming designers and a styling business. These ladies still have a ton of events in and around New York. I don't see why they couldn't be friends of the housewives and invite the RHoNY women to their events. Plus any event the Blood Sweat and Heels women have cannot be stupider than the dog wedding.

[KungFuBunny]

4 minutes ago, shoegal said:

A-to-the-freaking-men!  I am willing to go farther and say that the main reason Jules was cast is because she has an eating disorder and Jules freaking knows it! Obviously the desire for reality TV fame is the most important thing to Jules.  Then she wants to clutch her pearls (or pearl necklace as the case may be) and be outraged that the other housewives dare to talk about her eating disorder??  On camera??  "behind her back"??  Bitch, please.  Get a clue. 

Or a verb. 

Bethenny talked about her on the bus with Jules sitting there, then shushed Dorinda

The night Jules/Dorinda/John/Michael went to dinner. Jules was speaking about Michael to Dorinda with him sitting much closer AND she shushed Dorinda too!!!!

On a side note:

The night this episode aired I was on Twitter reading the "live" tweets. I think it was on the BravoTV site #watchingRHNY where a guy (sorry I don't remember his name) from Boston had the best tweet of the night

This is like Gossip Girl...but with Wrinkles

[ScoobieDoobs]

7 hours ago, shoegal said:

Along that line, are our viewing habits a reflection of us?  For all the moaning about how Bethenny and Carole are evil, vile, disgusting, horrible, mean, nasty, etc..... here we are, watching them.  Voluntarily.  Week after week.

For me, the behavior (of Bethenny's & Carole too) shoved at us this season is just so ugly & unpleasant to watch, and makes me so tense, I'm honestly ready to give up on the show.  I wasn't especially anxious to even catch this ep, but was drawn in by the preview of Jules telling off Bethenny.  Figured it would be worth checking out to finally see someoe who isn't terrified of Bethenny, or up her ass & who would call her out on her vile behavior.

I don't wanna be "moaning" about Bethenny's & Carole's vile behavior, but sheesh, that sure as fuck is what's being thrown out (again & again & again & again -- endlessly) particularly in this ep.  But this foul shit has been going on all season with both of 'em.  They're horrible & I hate watching 'em.  Am I hooked on watching 'em?  No!!!! Am I hate watching now?  No!!!!  I'm ready to give up & stop watching, exactly as I did with BH.

I agree with above complaints how they're really not using the NYC setting in the best way.  The show could be so much better.

I think they desperately need to cast someone who can effectively stand up to Bethenny.  Someone richer, younger, better looking, who would drive Bethenny crazy & get her seething with rage & jealousy.  Someone tougher, who could give Bethenny some of that "I'm up here & you're down there" shit, which Kelly was too stupid to carry off.  They need someone who could literally punch Bethenny right square in her re-jiggered jaw & just knock her right off her feet.  Now, that I would love to watch!  But what we're getting now?  Meh & blech.

I'd much rather leave the "moaning" to Moaner.

Edited July 15, 2016 by ScoobieDoobs

[zoeysmom]

2 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

I think Jules is a bust as a cast member. She's not all that smart. She seems to have no real interests. And her life seems to be unraveling in a real and sad way.

This show used to feel really New York. We used to see New York events and New York places. I feel like we lost the last bit of this when Heather left the cast. She sang some cabaret at Birdland. She had her Yummie salon in the Bloomies flagship last season. Heather and Carole would gossip and walk the Highline. This show no longer feels New Yorky.

Even though they are all younger than the RHoNY cast, I would have loved a little bit of crossover with the Blood Sweat and Heels cast. Demetria has always given me a baby Bethenny vibe. She often does women's empowerment seminars like the one Bethenny botched. Mica and Chantelle both have modeling and talent agencies. And Arzo has a clothing showroom for new and upcoming designers and a styling business. These ladies still have a ton of events in and around New York. I don't see why they couldn't be friends of the housewives and invite the RHoNY women to their events. Plus any event the Blood Sweat and Heels women have cannot be stupider than the dog wedding.

Your Blood, Sweat and Heels  reference made me sad.  Talk about reality illness, I don't think there was anything ever on Bravo sadder than the lovely, bright, bubbly Daisy Lewellyn succumbing to cancer.  I get a little steamed with Bethenny's references to her fibroids, her ignoring practical medical advice (I guess ultimately she postponed it) when we have seen Heather's son Jax fight for his life, and two women have buried their husbands.  Add Jules to the mix and her highness Bethenny is uncomfortable being around her because she has to protect herself.  What is she having to protect herself from?  Knowledge about a disorder 30 million Americans suffer from?  The fact there are no easy answers?  Maybe there is a guilt factor in Bethenny that she made her millions feeding the skinny demon these sufferers are trying to outrun.

I noticed something odd in both Bethenny and Carole.  After the bra party Bethenny who had deeply offended Dorinda, wasn't happy with just crapping all over her boyfriend, she then had to criticize Dorinda's feelings because in Bethenny's eyes, Dorinda should have been angrier at her than Ramona.  Carole started down the path, with the poor picked upon Bethenny when she should have been held equally  accountable in Jules ire. Geez, women, can't the others even have the right to their own feelings?  Does it take Bethenny and Carole to tell them what they should be feeling and who they should be prioritizing their anger for.  

[Yours Truly]

10 minutes ago, ScoobieDoobs said:

For me, the behavior (of Bethenny's & Carole too) shoved at us this season is just so ugly & unpleasant to watch, and makes me so tense, I'm honestly ready to give up on the show.  I wasn't especially anxious to even catch this ep, but was drawn in by the preview of Jules telling off Bethenny.  Figured it would be worth checking out to finally see someoe who isn't terrified of Bethenny, or up her ass & who would call her out on her vile behavior.

I don't wanna be "moaning" about Bethenny's & Carole's vile behavior, but sheesh, that sure as fuck is what's being thrown out (again & again & again & again -- endlessly) particularly in this ep.  But this fowl shit has been going on all season with both of 'em.  They're horrible & I hate watching 'em.  Am I hooked on watching 'em?  No!!!! Am I hate watching now?  No!!!!  I'm ready to give up & stop watching, exactly as I did with BH.

I agree with above complaints how they're really not using the NYC setting in the best way.  The show could be so much better.

I think they desperately need to cast someone who can effectively stand up to Bethenny.  Someone richer, younger, better looking, who would drive Bethenny crazy & get her seething with rage & jealousy.  Someone tougher, who could give Bethenny some of that "I'm up here & you're down there" shit, which Kelly was too stupid to carry off.  They need someone who could literally punch Bethenny right square in her re-jiggered jaw & just knock her right off her feet.  Now, that I would love to watch!  But what we're getting now?  Meh & blech.

I'd much rather leave the "moaning" to Moaner.

I'm available! LOL! But I'm not rich or in those same circles. What I think would be awesome and I guess wouldn't be something that could be combined into this group of women would be a self made woman with a military background. That would be awesome. The same way they throw a Countess in the mix for the others to have something to chew on and then The Princess well why not The Warrior? Couldn't there possibly be a woman somewhere out there loaded with cash and some medals on her chest? I'm a Marine, and I'm not a girly girl like Jules but more of a fashionista like Lu with an edge. (Puerto Rican Bronx girl with military training) so I don't think it's absolutely impossible to dig up someone that at least comes close to fitting a version of that description..? The closest they got to that "idea" was Heather I guess... (Holla) but I think I'm in the market for a little more discipline. Would be fun to watch I think. Kinda like Jillian Michaels goes socialite... LOL.

Edited July 15, 2016 by Yours Truly

[lunastartron]

13 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

I think Jules is a bust as a cast member. She's not all that smart. She seems to have no real interests. And her life seems to be unraveling in a real and sad way.

This show used to feel really New York. We used to see New York events and New York places. I feel like we lost the last bit of this when Heather left the cast. She sang some cabaret at Birdland. She had her Yummie salon in the Bloomies flagship last season. Heather and Carole would gossip and walk the Highline. This show no longer feels New Yorky.

Even though they are all younger than the RHoNY cast, I would have loved a little bit of crossover with the Blood Sweat and Heels cast. Demetria has always given me a baby Bethenny vibe. She often does women's empowerment seminars like the one Bethenny botched. Mica and Chantelle both have modeling and talent agencies. And Arzo has a clothing showroom for new and upcoming designers and a styling business. These ladies still have a ton of events in and around New York. I don't see why they couldn't be friends of the housewives and invite the RHoNY women to their events. Plus any event the Blood Sweat and Heels women have cannot be stupider than the dog wedding.

Because, segregation. Don't you know there shall be no programs on Bravo in which women with African and/or island ancestry aren't restricted to their own casts?

And because, reality. 'Cause where can you find a black woman who traffics the same social circles as Ro and Co? I mean, cuh-razy. 

 

20 minutes ago, shoegal said:

A-to-the-freaking-men!  I am willing to go farther and say that the main reason Jules was cast is because she has an eating disorder and Jules freaking knows it! Obviously the desire for reality TV fame is the most important thing to Jules.  Then she wants to clutch her pearls (or pearl necklace as the case may be) and be outraged that the other housewives dare to talk about her eating disorder??  On camera??  "behind her back"??  Bitch, please.  Get a clue. 

Or a verb. 

This premise would seem to preclude almost any and every conflict  of the ilk that sustains these narratives. If Bethenny and Carole's malice is just an integral component of the franchise dynamic, then so are outrage and confrontation. 

Carole enumerates a lengthy list of grievances in her blog. I guess she should have had a seat and a public speaking coach when she got so worked up about allegations that Aviva was, uh, putting on shout behind her back that she grabbed Aviva's face in her own home and her faculties of articulation yielded her infamous "you're nothing; you've never worked outside the home" stumble. 

Likewise, if Jules should just silently endure coworkers talking shit about her mental health and body right in front of her; in her own home; and when she's not present . . . what on earth was Bethenny's trip about John disseminating his "Skinny Cow" story?

[shoegal]

5 minutes ago, lunastartron said:

This premise would seem to preclude almost any and every conflict  of the ilk that sustains these narratives. If Bethenny and Carole's malice is just an integral component of the franchise dynamic, then so are outrage and confrontation. 

Carole enumerates a lengthy list of grievances in her blog. I guess she should have had a seat and a public speaking coach when she got so worked up about allegations that Aviva was, uh, putting on shout behind her back that she grabbed Aviva's face in her own home and her faculties of articulation yielded her infamous "you're nothing; you've never worked outside the home" stumble. 

Likewise, if Jules should just silently endure coworkers talking shit about her mental health and body right in front of her; in her own home; and when she's not present . . . what on earth was Bethenny's trip about John disseminating his "Skinny Cow" story?

Not silently endure, not advocating that at all.  I loved it when Jules actually could articulate herself about her eating disorder and give Bethenny and Carole the low down about her dealing with it, and how they don't know the works she puts in....but don't cry that the other housewives are talking behind your back, or wonder why everyone is screaming and yelling or whine that the other ladies are not being supportive of your issues.  Give me a break! 

Edited July 15, 2016 by shoegal

[Yours Truly]

9 minutes ago, shoegal said:

Not silently endure, not advocating that at all.  I loved it when Jules actually could articulate herself about her eating disorder and school Bethenny and Carole about her dealing with it, and how they don't know the works she puts in....but don't cry that the other housewives are talking behind your back, or wonder why everyone is screaming and yelling or whine that the other ladies are not being supportive of your issues.  Give me a break! 

Why not? It's true and it's a part of the grievance. Simple logic. She's calling out mean behavior. Just because it FREQUENT behavior on these shows doesn't mean it's not to be condemned. I don't think she's wondering I think she more stunned that it's so commonplace as do A LOT of the viewers. Just because something happens often doesn't make it any less vomit inducing or untouchable for criticism. If someone is doing something wrong and nasty there's nothing wrong with reacting to that nastiness. Being upset that mean bitches are being mean has nothing to do with whether or not it comes with the territory because it doesn't HAVE TO come with the territory. Being a nasty asshole isn't a REQUIREMENT of the show. They just want the women to bring something exciting and interesting to the table. These nasty hags are the one's that determine that the only excitement they know how to bring is of the vile capacity and that is absolutely worthy of snark and complaint by the others no matter how many seasons they've been on.

Edited July 15, 2016 by Yours Truly

[ElDosEquis]

I can GUARAN-FUCKING-TEE that MOST of us would have the hair on the back of our necks standing straight up and would jump face first into B or C's airspace IF they decided to attack and gang - up on you? Or how's about talking smack about our homes, the way we eat or dress?

I think the most common answer (LIE) is going to be, "Oh I don't pay attention' or 'it's just talk' - but you'd have to be a few ticks away from a coma if you didn't react to the shit that beffy and scare-ole spew?

One of the most satisfying empowerments is to find a voice for any kind of situation and the ability to use it to further some kind of understanding - but that same voice can be used to deride, hurt and embarrass people. Either way?

Something is going to hit the fan.

Fecal matter or platitudes?

[Midnight Cheese]

3 hours ago, shoegal said:

Along that line, are our viewing habits a reflection of us?  For all the moaning about how Bethenny and Carole are evil, vile, disgusting, horrible, mean, nasty, etc..... here we are, watching them.  Voluntarily.  Week after week.

And the moaning about Jules the fucking idiot who was miscast (though allegedly pushed through by B)?   What about that moaning?  Or does that only apply to people with other opinions?

Edited July 15, 2016 by Midnight Cheese
Damn these fat fingees.

[OhGromit]

32 minutes ago, ScoobieDoobs said:

For me, the behavior (of Bethenny's & Carole too) shoved at us this season is just so ugly & unpleasant to watch, and makes me so tense, I'm honestly ready to give up on the show.  I wasn't especially anxious to even catch this ep, but was drawn in by the preview of Jules telling off Bethenny.  Figured it would be worth checking out to finally see someoe who isn't terrified of Bethenny, or up her ass & who would call her out on her vile behavior.

I don't wanna be "moaning" about Bethenny's & Carole's vile behavior, but sheesh, that sure as fuck is what's being thrown out (again & again & again & again -- endlessly) particularly in this ep.  But this fowl shit has been going on all season with both of 'em.  They're horrible & I hate watching 'em.  Am I hooked on watching 'em?  No!!!! Am I hate watching now?  No!!!!  I'm ready to give up & stop watching, exactly as I did with BH.

I agree with above complaints how they're really not using the NYC setting in the best way.  The show could be so much better.

I think they desperately need to cast someone who can effectively stand up to Bethenny.  Someone richer, younger, better looking, who would drive Bethenny crazy & get her seething with rage & jealousy.  Someone tougher, who could give Bethenny some of that "I'm up here & you're down there" shit, which Kelly was too stupid to carry off.  They need someone who could literally punch Bethenny right square in her re-jiggered jaw & just knock her right off her feet.  Now, that I would love to watch!  But what we're getting now?  Meh & blech.

I'd much rather leave the "moaning" to Moaner.

It's true.  The constant fighting, paranoia, and nitpicking... it's constant tension.  And it makes people blogging about the show tense, too, I think.  A lot of commenters on Vulture (Brian Moylan RHONY recaps) have noted that the tone of the comments has gotten particularly negative.  The world is too stressful and angry a place for viewers (or at least me) to want to watch a show that's all about infighting, backstabbing, and shaming each other.  Not a respite from the stress of life.  

[shoegal]

9 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

Why not? It's true and it's a part of the grievance. Simple logic. She's calling out mean behavior. Just because it FREQUENT behavior on these shows doesn't mean it's not to be condemned. I don't think she's wondering I think she more stunned that it's so commonplace as do A LOT of the viewers. Just because something happens often doesn't make it any less vomit inducing or untouchable for criticism. If someone is doing something wrong and nasty there's nothing wrong with reacting to that nastiness. Being upset that mean bitches are being mean has nothing to do with whether or not it comes with the territory because it doesn't HAVE TO come with the territory. Being a nasty asshole isn't a REQUIREMENT of the show. They just want the women to bring something exciting and interesting to the table. These nasty hags are the one's that determine that the only excitement they know how to bring is of the vile capacity and that is absolutely worthy of snark and complaint by the others no matter how many seasons they've been on.

Why not?  I guess no other reason than it makes her look like a fucking idiot.  We are now a decade into the RH experiment, it's no longer about women who have exciting or interesting lives.  It's bitching, it's catfights, it's shit talking and alliances and 'taking people down'.  ....and Jules signed up, walked in eyes wide open.  Poor, pitiful Jules.  LOL!