Julianne Wainstein: She's an Asian Jew you know...

[anonymiss]

On 6/29/2016 at 0:42 PM, SparkleznConfetti said:

Didn't Jules imply that she's smarter than she lets on or something to that effect? If so, Chica's antennae was pinging that evil was afoot and she wanted documented footage that she was helpless/ the damsel in distress in order to get the courts to assist her in maintaining her in the manner she was accustomed to.

I rewatched that scene with her introducing her drink to hubby and it was way too spot on to be a coincidence. In addition to pointing out how he had nothing to do with it, she joked, "Maybe you'll be coming after half of what I own one day!" He stopped smiling.

Edited July 1, 2016 by anonymiss

[KungFuBunny]

What's with the scabby knees?

[ciaoformeow]

LOL I don't see scabby knees -- I just see knees. 

[Umbelina]

They look bruised or scabbed to me, maybe it's just shadows though.  Another "neither will leave the house" divorce.  How do people DO that?  I get that the one in the house may keep it in court, but damn! 

Those poor kids.  I hope they have a good nanny, because their mother is a mess.  I can't tell about her husband really, she's tried to make him look bad, but film has a way of showing reality, and she's pretty inadequate with those kids, and seems to mostly want to get away from them, or stuff them with candy so they will stop bugging her.

[biakbiak]

Do we know they are still living together? Could merely be a kid exchange, I have known plenty of people in contentious divorces that still managed to exchange the kids. 

Edited July 2, 2016 by biakbiak

[zoeysmom]

A story from yesterday:  http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/07/jules-wainsteins-divorce-just-got-even-crazier.html

[Umbelina]

Yeah, they are still sharing the apartment, which makes sense in a way, since his office is there.  Still.

Lots of conflicting accusations.

I love the "diminutive but brave" thing so much.  Ha. 

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/06/craziest-real-housewives-divorce-of-all-time.html

[Umbelina]

I thought of a better thread title but can't edit.  What do you guys think?

Julianne Wainstein:  Divorce, Asian/Jewish Style

Ha.

[anonymiss]

5 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

What's with the scabby knees?

IDK about the knees but I'm glad and surprised her weight looks stable in that photo. Hope this remains the case and the divorce doesn't inflame her ED.

Edited July 2, 2016 by anonymiss

[RedheadZombie]

58 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

In the treatment of anorexia, and the learned healthy behaviors extend to out patient as well, patients are not suppose to have a scale, they aren't suppose to use measuring tapes, even belts and sashes are discouraged because they can use them as a measuring device.  They are suppose to be developing a healthy relationship with food.  Jules feels like she has certain marks, she has a regular period (obviously she had two children so something is working).  Those very medical professionals that weigh her are also tracking to make sure she doesn't lose weight and if she does to address the situation forthright and perhaps intensify the therapy.   

One thing I noticed Dorinda do and she obviously doesn't know better is walk in and talk about her weight.  I don't know if immaturity is a mental illness, but throughout this run of the show we have seen most of the RH with children have an awful lot in the way of personal services personnel.  Ramona's husband took Avery to school (and his mother lived with them until her death), so Ramona could sleep in and focus on her business, Luann had a nanny, Bethenny has always had a roomful of people to tend to her needs, even when she was broke, Heather had her mini-meltdown over her nanny leaving, Sonja and her crew pre-divorce and the revolving door of interns.  I don't find it a sign of mental illness, for a patient returning home from a physical injury to expect their spouse to perform some rudimentary chores and tend to their children.  To not so falls on the neglect side. If Jules had said, "I returned home and there was dog crap allover, the dog's water bowl was empty and he hadn't been fed for 36 hours-the viewers would want Michael's head.  If all Michael can provide is money for additional therapists then maybe her marriage needs to be addressed.

Usually metal health disorders are treated concomitantly. For example if a person has OCD and is an alcoholic it is difficult because the mental health practitioners want the alcoholism addressed first and the addiction specialist have a difficult time because of the underlying mental illness disorder.  So if Jules has say a learning disability, in the form of ADD, and it causes her not to perform well in school, and her lack of self-confidence and control lead to an eating disorder which rendered her 80 pounds, the treatment team, so to speak, had to address the life threatening issue first.

Most of all mental health disorders are treatable but not necessarily curable.  It always irks me one of the RH refers to another as stupid.  As in "you can't fix stupid."  Or when they pick at someone because they aren't physically coordinated.  Is the solution to tell someone they need to work on being smarter?  Or learn how to swim?  Just because someone is uncomfortable with another's limitations doesn't make them correct.  Some things can be managed but not necessarily managed to society's ideal of normal.

I brought this quote over from the episode thread.

Regarding fertility affected by anorexia:  Angelina Jolie fans always use her two pregnancies to disprove the belief that she's anorexic.  Here's the thing - babies are born every day during famines.  Women's bodies are designed to stay fertile through food-deprivation, and even severe malnutrition.  This sounds terrible, but babies are like parasites - they will suck the life from a woman's body to get what they require.  So while Jules was reassured about her two pregnancies, it doesn't actually prove anything.  Plus, Jules may have been more in control during that time, and even ten extra pounds would have made a difference. 

I agree that Dorinda is acting a little clueless, but I wonder if this is her way of taking the focus off of Jules's actual problems.  Deflection, distraction, making light of what Jules is saying.  Maybe Dorinda is trying to keep the worst behavior off camera.  Or maybe she's that clueless, I don't know.  But sober Dorinda is pretty sharp.

"Usually metal health disorders are treated concomitantly."  I agree.  And right now the focus should be on Jules's heart muscle which is in danger, as well as the rest of her physiology.  Anorexia comes first, and alleged ADHD has absolutely no priority for an ethical doctor in this situation.  This woman has a full-time housekeeper, and full-time nanny.  She's almost being led around by the hand.  In what world is giving an anorexic a highly-addictive appetite-suppressing drug appropriate?  I wish Jules would do us all a favor and name her doctors on camera.  In fact, if she's looking for a windfall, I'm sure malpractice is a slam-dunk.

I don't think the seriousness of anorexia can be over-stressed.  I once watched a documentary of a woman with many serious issues.  She had been molested as a child, was a cutter, an alcoholic, an anorexic, and a dabbler in narcotics.  Apparently she experienced no fertility issues, because she had a small child.  I learned all about "chew and spit", which I'd never heard of.  She was clinging to life by a thread, and after an intervention, she went to treatment.  In a six week follow up, her therapist said she was doing well, but that the anorexia was BY FAR the most difficult element.  And that's why health insurance rarely covers treatment for anorexia.  There's usually plenty of relapsing and re-hospitalizations.

And as awful as it is that this is occurring on camera, and as much flack as Carole and Bethenny are getting for their treatment of Jules, what's the alternative?  Jules has been masking this for years.  She's an expert.  Whatever influence her family and husband have, it's not working.  Her doctors are willfully ignorant, or criminally incompetent.  Say what you will about the whole situation (and I admit there's a lot to be said), but Jules is now being forced to address her illness.  It's not in me to tiptoe around someone's blatant disease.  I cannot enable someone into the grave - even an acquaintance.  It's never fun confronting someone with their addiction, and interventions are inherently traumatic.  But most addicts aren't gently shown their behavior, see the light in a moment of self-actualization, then agree to go to treatment.  Jules couldn't scream louder that her ED is out of control.  She's showing pictures of her genitals, listing what drugs she takes, sharing that she sees psychiatrist and therapists four times a week, flinching while trying to eat as a camera clearly zooms in on her face, dressing in a manner than shows every bone and joint.  She's crying out for help, and voices that no one is helping her or even seeing her.  Families can become numb to this type of thing because they've been through it over and over again.  Maybe she needed new people to come into her life and point out what's obvious, and dismiss Jules's stories and excuses as BS.

[WireWrap]

32 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

 

And as awful as it is that this is occurring on camera, and as much flack as Carole and Bethenny are getting for their treatment of Jules, what's the alternative?  Jules has been masking this for years.  She's an expert.  Whatever influence her family and husband have, it's not working.  Her doctors are willfully ignorant, or criminally incompetent.  Say what you will about the whole situation (and I admit there's a lot to be said), but Jules is now being forced to address her illness.  It's not in me to tiptoe around someone's blatant disease.  I cannot enable someone into the grave - even an acquaintance.  It's never fun confronting someone with their addiction, and interventions are inherently traumatic.  But most addicts aren't gently shown their behavior, see the light in a moment of self-actualization, then agree to go to treatment.  Jules couldn't scream louder that her ED is out of control.  She's showing pictures of her genitals, listing what drugs she takes, sharing that she sees psychiatrist and therapists four times a week, flinching while trying to eat as a camera clearly zooms in on her face, dressing in a manner than shows every bone and joint.  She's crying out for help, and voices that no one is helping her or even seeing her.  Families can become numb to this type of thing because they've been through it over and over again.  Maybe she needed new people to come into her life and point out what's obvious, and dismiss Jules's stories and excuses as BS.

Sitting down with her 1 on 1, not in a group setting where she feels ganged up on. I have no problem if they talk to her about her ED on camera, I just don't agree that they need to do it in group settings/events as it will only add to her stress level which will make it harder for her.

As for her talking about/having her meds with her, according to Dorinda's blog, Jules came to the pizza party directly from being released from the hospital. That needs to be factored into her bizarre/medicated behavior that happened at the party. I agree she needs help but again, doing it in a group setting by unqualified HWs that also poke fun at her is not going to help her, it is going to make things worse.

[Umbelina]

But the group settings where it's addressed have involved FOOD, which is when it really shows up, and that alone makes it a topic of conversation, with her or among themselves.  That pizza behavior was beyond bizarre.

Just wanted to mention that Jules said she has "all of them" as far as eating disorders, so not just anorexia, she's also bulimic and whatever else.  I give her a lot of credit for saying she's not cured, but not credit for saying it's under control, because it's obviously not.

Although she is certainly less thin than other Mia and Ana women that are around.  I think she wears loose clothing a lot of the time though, to hide how thin she really is.  Note the shorts in the photo above, and it's really rare to find a swimsuit photo of her. 

[WireWrap]

31 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

But the group settings where it's addressed have involved FOOD, which is when it really shows up, and that alone makes it a topic of conversation, with her or among themselves.  That pizza behavior was beyond bizarre.

Just wanted to mention that Jules said she has "all of them" as far as eating disorders, so not just anorexia, she's also bulimic and whatever else.  I give her a lot of credit for saying she's not cured, but not credit for saying it's under control, because it's obviously not.

Although she is certainly less thin than other Mia and Ana women that are around.  I think she wears loose clothing a lot of the time though, to hide how thin she really is.  Note the shorts in the photo above, and it's really rare to find a swimsuit photo of her. 

Yes, they would notice her ED in these types of settings but they didn't need to address it right there and then. Also, they all knew that she came to the pizza party directly from the hospital, so why make it sound like her having her meds in her purse was something sinister, that was intentional on Carole's part and I find that in itself disturbing.

[zoeysmom]

I believe Jules claims of  under control are subjective.  We don't know when her last full blown, in patient treatment was, as no one asked those questions-even though she has offered to discuss. 

It would have been  relevant to me to have heard Jules had been released from the hospital the same day as filming the scene at Wild.  Maybe Bethenny should have let her tell her story instead of saying, "I know."  I am not even certain if when Jules was rattling off her prescriptions she was being serious or doing it to bring the conversation to her.  Whether or not Carole or Bethenny feel their comments are hurtful is irrelevant-Jules has said they are.  Dorinda has said they are, many viewers have said they are.  Carole and Bethenny can't claim to not really know Jules and then make every conversation a mini-intervention.

Carole, Bethenny and Jules are all below the healthy weight standard.  They are living proof, they are suggestions not mandates.  Yeah, I know they are naturally thin. 

[jinjer]

Jules does look better in that photo weight wise than she did during filming.  I have to say that Jules makes me sad.  Anorexia doesn't usually come from nowhere.  She was a competitive swimmer. That is full of pressure and I don't know what kind of limits it puts on a person to maintain a weight.  Trauma and sexual abuse are causes of eating disorders.  Up to 30% of women with eating disorders have suffered from sexual abuse. Know-it-all Bethenny should realize how hard it is to cope with an ED and just back the fuck up.  And Carole who supposedly is so learned, should shut up as well.  We don't know why Jules has an ED. Something made her that way.  Controlling parents, traumatic or stressful childhood who knows.  

[Granimal]

On 7/2/2016 at 8:08 PM, RedheadZombie said:

I don't find it a sign of mental illness, for a patient returning home from a physical injury to expect their spouse to perform some rudimentary chores and tend to their children.  To not so falls on the neglect side. If Jules had said, "I returned home and there was dog crap allover, the dog's water bowl was empty and he hadn't been fed for 36 hours-the viewers would want Michael's head.  If all Michael can provide is money for additional therapists then maybe her marriage needs to be addressed.

Neither do I! I would never even think to associate someone wanting their husband to do more chores with a sign that someone has a mental illness.

All we have is Jule's version of events. I don't know Michael's. As with most couples, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Maybe Michael is truly an awful human being, but I side-eye Jules because she's the one on the show, and it appears that she has come on the show with the agenda to prepare for the divorce both legally and from a PR perspective. Either that, or she had exceptionally good timing in coming on the show, her TH comments and stories framing her husband's inadequacy, and in launching a new business venture for herself. The joke about him asking her for half wasn't said in a light hearted manner. (Is there a light way to joke about dividing financial assets with your spouse?) If all these things are coincidental, then okay. But like Kelsey threw Camille to the Bravo gods, I see the reverse in this situation.

If my husband appeared on a reality show and repeated stories about me that showed me in a bad light, and I had no avenue for rebuttal I would be pretty damn frustrated to say the least. If he made a joke about me asking for 50% of his money, I would probably walk out the damn door.

Do I think that makes Jules a horrible person? No. Do I think Jules is mentally ill? Yes, but not because of any of the above, only because of her, "you name it- I've had it" comments about her ED. It doesn't make me think less of Jules that she's struggled with an eating disorder or various other ailments, if anything it makes me think more of her for having the inner strength to get through it. 

FWIW, it's still weird that two adults with nannies/housekeepers can't figure out the minutiae of daily life.

Regarding Michael, I just don't know anything about him that isn't filtered through Jules. So I don't have much of an opinion on him.

Edited July 4, 2016 by Granimal

[WireWrap]

34 minutes ago, Granimal said:

Neither do I! I would never even think to associate someone wanting their husband to do more chores with a sign that someone has a mental illness.

All we have is Jule's version of events. I don't know Michael's. As with most couples, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Maybe Michael is truly an awful human being, but I side-eye Jules because she's the one on the show, and it appears that she has come on the show with the agenda to prepare for the divorce both legally and from a PR perspective. Either that, or she had exceptionally good timing in coming on the show, her TH comments and stories framing her husband's inadequacy, and in launching a new business venture for herself. The joke about him asking her for half wasn't said in a light hearted manner. (Is there a light way to joke about dividing financial assets with your spouse?) If all these things are coincidental, then okay. But like Kelsey threw Camille to the Bravo gods, I see the reverse in this situation.

If my husband appeared on a reality show and repeated stories about me that showed me in a bad light, and I had no avenue for rebuttal I would be pretty damn frustrated to say the least. If he made a joke about me asking for 50% of his money, I would probably walk out the damn door.

Do I think that makes Jules a horrible person? No. Do I think Jules is mentally ill? Yes, but not because of any of the above, only because of her, "you name it- I've had it" comments about her ED. It doesn't make me think less of Jules that she's struggled with an eating disorder or various other ailments, if anything it makes me think more of her for having the inner strength to get through it. 

FWIW, it's still weird that two adults with nannies/housekeepers can't figure out the minutiae of daily life.

I think it quite possible that together they decided to use the show to promote Jules and her product while they delayed filing for divorce until mid way through the season for more favorable viewer reaction. It was Michael that filed, not Jules but either way, the timing is suspect IMO, so I think it was intentional by both of them.

[Giselle]

What Jules did to her pizza wasn't a joke to liven things up. It was her anorexia manifesting itself. She did not want to eat anything, she struggled to take a bite of the prior pizza slice, so she sabotaged her pizza/calzone so that no one could eat it especially her. Bethany had a right to be pissed about eating it. Jules made her anorexia a storyline, so you cant blame Carole for bringing it up when she sees odd behavior. Carol did make a valid point that Jules' meds make her lose her appetite. I looked them up and one does list loss of appetite as a side effect so they allow Jules' "sustain" her anorexia and blame the meds and not herself. Mixing them with alcohol is just stupid and irresponsible.

Edited July 5, 2016 by Giselle

[Natalie68]

On 7/2/2016 at 11:14 AM, KungFuBunny said:

What's with the scabby knees?

Mine look like that even when they aren't scabbed/bruised due to previous incidents of falling.  Could be that. 

[lunastartron]

I like Jules and am unequivocally sympathetic to her vis-a-vis the dispute with Carole and Bethenny. But her "business" is a fucking mess. 

I'm into detoxes, clean eating, etc, and Alkeme sounded interesting so I visited the website. No stockists in my area but no big deal; supposedly I can order a six-pack for $30. I supply my shipping and billing and am a bit appalled that the former costs an additional $20, making six bottles tally $49.99. That's absurd but it's my birthday month so I decide what the hell. 

I receive an e-mail receipt that notifies me tracking information is on its way to my inbox. One days passes, then two weeks. Nothing, nada. So I email the website and receive no response. I reach out on Twitter and likewise am ignored. 

I check the website again and it appears the company is "sold out" of its product. Wtf? 

Luckily, I was never charged for the items but I can't recall the last time I've encountered such an apathetic and disarrayed operation. 

[HunterHunted]

On 7/5/2016 at 2:27 PM, Giselle said:

What Jules did to her pizza wasn't a joke to liven things up. It was her anorexia manifesting itself. She did not want to eat anything, she struggled to take a bite of the prior pizza slice, so she sabotaged her pizza/calzone so that no one could eat it especially her. Bethany had a right to be pissed about eating it. Jules made her anorexia a storyline, so you cant blame Carole for bringing it up when she sees odd behavior. Carol did make a valid point that Jules' meds make her lose her appetite. I looked them up and one does list loss of appetite as a side effect so they allow Jules' "sustain" her anorexia and blame the meds and not herself. Mixing them with alcohol is just stupid and irresponsible.

Jules takes Adderall, smokes, and drinks a ton of Red Bull. These are all appetite suppressants. She's a lot less well and healthy than she thinks she is. I'm sure she sees a lot of Manhattan moms doing the same things she's doing, but she's been hospitalized for her illness and that's why she needs to be a lot more careful. I don't think she has the perspective to see how off her behavior was at the pizza dinner. Aside from her baking the cutlery into the calzone, she looked at that slice she did eat like it was a cobra that someone made her French kiss. I don't think Carole and Bethenny have handled it well, but Jules is sick like really really sick. She should not be filming.

[zoeysmom]

3 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

Jules takes Adderall, smokes, and drinks a ton of Red Bull. These are all appetite suppressants. She's a lot less well and healthy than she thinks she is. I'm sure she sees a lot of Manhattan moms doing the same things she's doing, but she's been hospitalized for her illness and that's why she needs to be a lot more careful. I don't think she has the perspective to see how off her behavior was at the pizza dinner. Aside from her baking the cutlery into the calzone, she looked at that slice she did eat like it was a cobra that someone made her French kiss. I don't think Carole and Bethenny have handled it well, but Jules is sick like really really sick. She should not be filming.

So we punish people with ED by not letting them work unless the eat properly?  Is that proven therapy for ED?  I think whether Jules eats or not with this group should be the least of anyone's worries.  If she is passing out due to lack of food then it is an issue for the others. Bethenny didn't have to eat her pizza and for those who saw the cutlery in it they should have dumped it back on her and not let her have any of anybody else's-like Ramona did when she walked out with her pizza. I would say the biggest thing Jules has working against her is the frequency in which she excuses herself to go smoke.   She misses a lot of filming time.  If I were a producer I would call her out on that.  She missed the entire Luann conversation because she had to drag Dorinda out for a smoke.  She left one of the Berkshire arguments to go smoke under the guise of calling her father.

I am still unclear if Jules primary ED is bulimia or anorexia.  It would seem the two would have different focuses in the treatment.   

[HunterHunted]

It's not about punishment. It's recognizing that filming these shows is taxing and stressful. It's probably not best if you have a full-time cast member who is ill because the stress of filming might exacerbate their illness. I didn't think it was appropriate for Kim Richards to film when it was clear that her addiction issues were out of control. I didn't think it was appropriate when Yolanda was quite sick with her Lyme disease to have her film full-time. And I don't think it's healthy for Jules to be on this show. I didn't think it was a good idea for Jacqueline to be filming as she seemed to be unraveling. I just feel that Jules shouldn't be filming. I didn't say production should step in. I didn't say her friends and family should step in. My hope is that Jules recognizes that this isn't the healthiest choice for her.

[zoeysmom]

11 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

It's not about punishment. It's recognizing that filming these shows is taxing and stressful. It's probably not best if you have a full-time cast member who is ill because the stress of filming might exacerbate their illness. I didn't think it was appropriate for Kim Richards to film when it was clear that her addiction issues were out of control. I didn't think it was appropriate when Yolanda was quite sick with her Lyme disease to have her film full-time. And I don't think it's healthy for Jules to be on this show. I didn't think it was a good idea for Jacqueline to be filming as she seemed to be unraveling. I just feel that Jules shouldn't be filming. I didn't say production should step in. I didn't say her friends and family should step in. My hope is that Jules recognizes that this isn't the healthiest choice for her.

Jules knew what she was signing up for and if she decides it is exacerbating her illness it is up to her to step back, or one of her therapists. Personally, I think Jules knows better than to act so screwy when food is served and I think she likes to draw attention to herself.  On one hand she claims people should not be commenting on her "issue" and the other she wants to open up a discussion about it.  I think what made Jules interesting is being the new person be smack dab in the middle of these veterans and their petty fighting.  She had some interesting comments which were on par with the other ladies crappy little comments.  I also think far bigger than her food issues were the unraveling of her marriage and of course losing a nanny-someone she counted on to help with the children.

Good examples of people who should not be filming.  Kim obviously needed the money and Yolanda felt she was raising awareness for her disease and of course highlighting her children's careers.  What she chose to hide was the end of her marriage.  Yolanda's last season felt like a carefully choreographed, "Day In The Life", showing the world why she should no longer be in her short term marriage.

Here is what is different about Jules, after filming for 12-15 hours the Reunion, she chose to go to Watch What Happens Live that same day.  Granted she was in the audience, but even Andy commenting on her being there.  Maybe she has more resolve than we give her credit for-or she downed a lot of Red Bull.  I see her as fighting for the only thing bringing in money for her these days.  She seems strangely indifferent as to how fragile and unwell she comes off.

[lunastartron]

As Bethenny is so fond of disingenously reminding everyone, this is a reality show. And, well, Jules's reality is that defined by an eating disorder*. 

Her efforts to maintain control of her habits and compulsions in that respect are an integral aspect of her life whether or not she participates in the show. Will professionally obligatory interactions with colleagues who think it's okay to exclaim "it's hard to watch her eat" likely entail stress? Sure, but so does everyday life in New York, marital problems, business skids, and every other feature of quotidian contemporary existence. 

The analogies to Yolanda and Kim don't convince me that someone with a mental health challenge shouldn't participate - a litmus test that would seem to compulsorily exclude most cast mates across the franchise (should, for instance, a stress eater with diabetes pass on the opportunities a Housewife spot presents just because of their condition?). 

Yolanda was demonstrably more than healthy enough to scream, accuse, and malign when those behaviors were convenient. 

Kim indulged in actions for years upon years that directly involved her co-workers and the production crew - from passing out in hallways in Puerto Rico to trafficking feces-stained pillows through airports while traveling on work trips to getting ejected from filming sites. 

The difference between that and it being "hard to watch her eat" is apples and spaceships. 

Bethenny's vicious verbal assaults have had a more deleterious impact on the mental well being and emotional safety of others than Jules's attempts to get through a slice of pizza. 

It's often noted that Jules should get out of the proverbial kitchen if she can't stand the heat of gossip going on behind her back. 

Well, that threshold goes both ways. Because the standard that people should be subject to Bethenny howling "slut" and "whore" at them is lunacy. Yet Carole and B can't handle the trauma of watching Jules work her way through a doughy pile of carbohydrates? GTFouttahere. 

* For what it's worth, I think Jules is definitely anorexic. Bulimia is characterized by both bingeing and purging; if she's only engaging in the latter - and she bears none of the characteristic physical indicators of the former - then she would be regarded as anorexic vis-a-vis mental health taxonomies. 

[Diane Mars]

35 minutes ago, lunastartron said:

* For what it's worth, I think Jules is definitely anorexic. Bulimia is characterized by both bingeing and purging; if she's only engaging in the latter - and she bears none of the characteristic physical indicators of the former - then she would be regarded as anorexic vis-a-vis mental health taxonomies. 

If I remember correctly, she told them 2 episodes ago that she had an "eat binging and purge" 2 days ago (it was the "cutlery pizza" scene)... So, technically, that was bulimia...

[ElDosEquis]

On ‎7‎/‎5‎/‎2016 at 3:27 PM, Giselle said:

What Jules did to her pizza wasn't a joke to liven things up. It was her anorexia manifesting itself. She did not want to eat anything, she struggled to take a bite of the prior pizza slice, so she sabotaged her pizza/calzone so that no one could eat it especially her. Bethany had a right to be pissed about eating it. Jules made her anorexia a storyline, so you cant blame Carole for bringing it up when she sees odd behavior. Carol did make a valid point that Jules' meds make her lose her appetite. I looked them up and one does list loss of appetite as a side effect so they allow Jules' "sustain" her anorexia and blame the meds and not herself. Mixing them with alcohol is just stupid and irresponsible.

You are right on about the 'calzone incident'.

She sabotaged the calzone - in the guise of making a joke - and instead?

It came across as some kind of strange offering to the Pizza Gods. ( I loved that carole HAD to jump up to cut open the calzone, especially AFTER the talk of putting drugs into it - she had to protect Beffany)

Other than that?

They should have ignored the 'joke' and gone on with their lunch - instead?

It turns into an 'intervention' - with people who are just a fucked up as Jules is?

[lunastartron]

37 minutes ago, Diane Mars said:

If I remember correctly, she told them 2 episodes ago that she had an "eat binging and purge" 2 days ago (it was the "cutlery pizza" scene)... So, technically, that was bulimia...

Edited because you're right vis-a-vis criteria. I don't recall her saying that she binged, though. Just that she threw up a couple of days prior. 

Edited July 27, 2016 by lunastartron

[Diane Mars]

18 minutes ago, lunastartron said:

Edited because you're right vis-a-vis criteria. I don't recall her saying that she binged, though. Just that she threw up a couple of days prior. 

I'm maybe wrong, but that's the way I understood it. Maybe does someone remember better ?

[anonymiss]

5 minutes ago, Diane Mars said:

I'm maybe wrong, but that's the way I understood it. Maybe does someone remember better ?

Yes she said she threw up her food. This is quite heartbreaking to think about. I can picture her purging because she stepped outside of her stringent food rules by eating that slice of pizza to appease her "friends." If I had to guess, I'd say she isn't one to binge, but someone who will purge if she doesn't stick to the smears and green juices. I would be interested in seeing her continue with the show and I hope that photo is a good indication of her improving when it comes to living with this illness. 

[zoeysmom]

1 hour ago, Diane Mars said:

I'm maybe wrong, but that's the way I understood it. Maybe does someone remember better ?

She just said she threw up two days earlier-she didn't say it was from her pizza dinner.

[Diane Mars]

26 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

She just said she threw up two days earlier-she didn't say it was from her pizza dinner.

That's not what I said (is it ?). I said that she said it DURING the "pizza event", not DUE TO the "pizza event", if that makes sense :)

[WireWrap]

4 hours ago, Diane Mars said:

That's not what I said (is it ?). I said that she said it DURING the "pizza event", not DUE TO the "pizza event", if that makes sense :)

She didn't say it at the pizza event but at the next dinner gathering where Luann had to leave early.

ETA, it was the first event/gathering that had Sonja in the same room at the same time Bethenny was there.

Edited July 27, 2016 by WireWrap

[zoeysmom]

4 hours ago, Diane Mars said:

That's not what I said (is it ?). I said that she said it DURING the "pizza event", not DUE TO the "pizza event", if that makes sense :)

No you did not.  I was expanding on others comments as well as yours.  You are incorrect she did not say it at the pizza event.  She said it while going at it with Bethenny at Joanne's.

[Diane Mars]

Sorry for the timeline :)

[WireWrap]

7 hours ago, Diane Mars said:

Sorry for the timeline :)

LOL, No problem! It gets confusing at time, so many things on these shows tend to run together. LOL

[ElDosEquis]

She's Asian? I thought she looked more Jewish than Asian and why is it no one mentioned it before?

[zoeysmom]

So when Jules dad was on his deathbed-was he in Boca or NYC?  Nice recovery and I am happy he survived but I can't figure out if Jules had to travel to Boca or if he was in the city.

[WireWrap]

7 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

So when Jules dad was on his deathbed-was he in Boca or NYC?  Nice recovery and I am happy he survived but I can't figure out if Jules had to travel to Boca or if he was in the city.

I am pretty sure he was in Boca which added to her angst over his illness and her not being there but working in the Berkshires.

[Jextella]

So far, I like Jules - at least what is shown on the show (I haven't followed media stories about her, though).  I agree what most have been saying.  She's smarter than the average bear - and smarter than she lets on.

I think her story has the potential to be interesting - anorexia, start-up biz, a recent divorcee, etc. and she doesn't kowtow to Bethenny which I like a great deal.

[This2getsold]

Jules mother is Asian. Her dad Jewish.

Funny I think she looks Asian not Jewish.

I don't mind Jules, I think she tries with her heart in the right place, most of the time.

Although she is looking like Karen Carpenter before she died. Her legs are like a skeleton.

[Lady Grump]

[Warning: unpopular (possibly self-righteous) opinion is crash landing in 3.....2....]

Jules is awesome. I do think she's quite bright, but is just one of those people who flusters easily when talking with people.

Homegirl has clearly been married to a shady, assy troll for years; and clearly she had major suspicions that her babies' daddy was catching some strange. And she's STILL the kindest person on this show. Go Jules.

Personally, I love that she is so open about her ED. People hide too much shit for the sake of appearances. And wouldn't the world be so much better if people were open and honest about their various differences and struggles? It's not like she WANTS to have an ED. But she has one, and she's open about it. Again, Go Jules. You got my vote.

And what the fuck is up with this shamming her for her troll's OBVIOUS nonsense? Nah.

Oh, and I want to hear every little last detail about growing up with a Chinese mom and Jewish dad. I want to know how her parents blended their two cultures; I want to know if her mom converted; I want to know what her Chinese grandparents thought of her Bat Mitzvah and if she incorporated any Chinese traditions into her wedding -- I want to know it all! It's different, it's not the same old, same old UES wannabe, status jockeying (which, granted, can have its smutty charms). But yes, please, I also want to hear about being an Asian Jew between the Dynasty redux drams.

[ryebread]

I like Jules, a lot.  I thought she looked the best of all the HWs when they joined Luann on the yacht. Her clothes, that groovy long hair blowing in the wind...  The others, looked like poseurs and day trippers.  Jules looked like she lived aboard.  Like she belonged there.

She's just got an easiness about her that I like.  NOT to be confused with the easiness that Sonja has about her.  LOL.  Although I kind of like that, too.

[Jextella]

Sonja and LuAnn have evolved into my favorites...which surprises even me.  Jules is coming in 3rd for me. 

[Natalie68]

I think she is gorgeous.  I just wish she would not get so flustered when trying to speak.  It is hard to not get impatient.  That said, as someone else mentioned, on WWHL she was high AF!

[QuinnM]

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That said, as someone else mentioned, on WWHL she was high AF!

She was either high AF or had just spent the day binging/purging which brings on the same kind of euphoria.

[Jextella]

I'm so out of it.  What does "high AF" mean???

I saw Jules on the show and it seemed Dorinda was there as support - and to speak for here when she was unable to do so on her own.  I hope Jules watches the show and learns how to not get so flustered.

Odd, though.  During her confessionals, she doesn't seem to have the same problem.  

[SCS]

7 minutes ago, Jextella said:

I'm so out of it.  What does "high AF" mean???

I saw Jules on the show and it seemed Dorinda was there as support - and to speak for here when she was unable to do so on her own.  I hope Jules watches the show and learns how to not get so flustered.

Odd, though.  During her confessionals, she doesn't seem to have the same problem.  

Here you go:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=high af

I agree about the THs. Maybe retakes?

[ginger90]

8 minutes ago, Jextella said:

I'm so out of it.  What does "high AF" mean???

 

High as fuck?

[LIMOM]

High as fuck to have getting rid of the freakin m*****.

Jules looked fantastic and she was very honest about her situation. So she knew the shrink socially?

Some chicks truly are shameless, imo.