S03.E02: Miss Domesticated

[Missmissie173]

It's been mentioned several times on the show, in about a three week period she slept with Shep, Thomas and Whitney. She has since mentioned that it was a one week stand with Whitney.

I don't think Patricia doesn't like Kathryn because she chose someone other than Whitney, I think she thanks her lucky stars that happened.

I totally agree with you about Patricia.  She probably had Michael the Butler make several "superior" martinis while that heavy weather blew past.

 

Talk about Sherman's March to the Sea...sounds like Katherine has "dabbled" with everything on two legs between Charleston and Savannah.  

 

Now I get why this crew is socially shunning her.  Katherine has broken the "girl code" of the South. Whether that "girl code" is viewed as good or bad outside the South doesn't matter - believe me it exists  - "good" girls get the white picked fence and "bad" girls don't. EVER. At least in the type of click she is trying to run with. So Katherine can kiss that dream goodbye.  Not that I agree, but it is what it is.

 

And, DAMN.  Instead of snarking on Katherine, I now feel sorry for Katherine. IMHO, sounds more like sexual addiction issues rather then just plain, old gold digging issues.  Her parents must be terrified for her, for themselves and the grand-babies that are being popped out like Golden Retriever puppies.  

 

I would try and keep her on lock-down at the farm too - grand-babies don't raise themselves.  Good Lord, what a fun filled retirement that will be -NOT. :p

Edited April 13, 2016 by Missmissie173

[RedHawk]

First off, Cameran, never use Pledge on your dining room table. I worked at a furniture store once and that was common knowledge that Pledge is crap for real wood. Also, I am left with a huge hole in the dinner party preparation...where did the mashed potatoes come from????  I cook all the time but I freeze at the idea of a dinner party menu. It's the judging of my food choices that get to me. 

 

So Kathryn is being frozen out, not of the friend group, but of the filming of the show, which she counts on.  It is so obvious this group only comes together for these staged filming events, but when she is being purposely left off the call list that has got to make her mad.  

 

Love how JD came in and got some cash out of poor lil' fame-whore Craig for the privilege of giving him a desk to sit behind and a business card and, more importantly, screen time for his Gentry group brand name.  Smart work there with the free exposure.

 

I am still laughing at Landon's idea of creating a magazine for income. HAHAHA.  Even JFK jr. couldn't make a go of his magazine.  At first I thought it was a manufactured storyline but then the preview of next week when she's having lunch with her dad and she looks like she is going to cry when he tells her she has to pay her bills seemed real. She should just dump those ideas and go into real estate with Cameran. Then she could dress up, tour pretty houses, and still be on tv.  For some reason I like having her on the show now. Whatever happened with her marriage, I think her struggle to re-establish herself is real and scary for her.  But she needed a t-shirt bra in that scene where she met up with Craig and Shep at the bar. You could see the bra outline very prominently under her shirt.  

Those mashed potatoes appeared by magic! And by magic, I mean Michael. He was shown cleaning up a pot and it might have been the one the potatoes were cooked in. Pretty sure he made them, including peeling the potatoes! What a lifesaver he was, truly nice of Patricia to "lend" him to the hapless Cameran.

Speaking of Michael, I'm hoping he and Pat are secretly a couple, and he acts as the butler because he's into B&D and likes being her "servant". Publicly they can be seen as lady and employee, but behind closed doors...

[Major Bigtime]

Maybe Landon could develop a website, with paid advertising, to sell her wares. I think that's what Jennifer has done, for her interior decorating business. Or Martha Stewart wannabe. A lot less cost than a magazine, you just collect the money from your advertisers and when someone buys one of her paintings. She could continue to work from home.

A lovely white damask tablecloth would have been perfect for Cameron's table.

[bichonblitz]

 

I try to shy away from commenting on others' bodies, especially weight, but when Dani walked back into Cameran's dining room after the well-done meat debate, I was taken aback by how skinny her legs were. Alarmingly so.

I noticed it, and noticed it last season as well. Her face is gaunt and her arms are so skinny, too. First season she was a healthy weight, I hope she doesn't have a serious medical issue. 

Why don't they let her talk anymore? She shows up at all the parties but never says anything. It's weird. 

[Alison]

This. Yes. Oh my god.  I bet she's just one of those naturally skinny girls.  But, she is, as you said, alarmingly skinny.

 

Did she and Shep used to date? 

 

 

I noticed it, and noticed it last season as well. Her face is gaunt and her arms are so skinny, too. First season she was a healthy weight, I hope she doesn't have a serious medical issue. 

Why don't they let her talk anymore? She shows up at all the parties but never says anything. It's weird. 

I just spent an absurd amount of time scrolling back through her Instagram -- she and Shep did date for a while a few years ago, and although she's clearly a naturally skinny girl, she's lost so much weight that current day Danni looks gaunt and skeletal compared to the skinny but healthy looking Danni we saw in season 1.

[glowlights]

I distinctly recall seeing Cameran heat up premade mashed potatoes in a.... wait for it.... SAUCEPAN last season. It was the episode where she pretended her husband doesn't know she can't cook so she bought a bunch of Stouffers stuff, heated it up, and told him she made dinner. This week's dinner party was cute but way too contrived for my taste. "Cameran Does I Love Lucy". Not to mention Thomas's shtick in the French restaurant. These people need acting lessons.

 

The best part was when Patricia calmly and succinctly laid out the reasons for why Kathryn wasn't getting invitations. Shut up, Craig.

 

I had to pause to collect myself when Landon said she needs to make some money so she's going to start a lifestyle magazine. Um, Landon? Honey? If you need quick income a magazine start-up is pretty much the last thing you should try. That's how you lose money, not earn it. But it feels wrong to snark on Landon too much after she revealed last year that she attended a program for children with learning and speech disabilities. Unlike Kathryn, who not only said Landon sounds like a dolphin in that preview dinner scene but was on social media a few days ago snickering that Landon should work for SeaWorld. Because disabilities are so funny, y'all.  I guess mocking a co-worker's speech impediment is just one of the many fine values one learns while growing up as the Calhoun royalty of Monck's Corner.

 

Speaking of fourth walls, Whitney claims Kathryn earns six figures. So her storyline is that she's not able to make ends meet on the meager scraps that Thomas gives her, while she's really not broke at all, meanwhile in this ep she's saying all the other cast members are full of shit and love the smell of it. Okay. 

 

Can't we go back to cartinis and other innocent silliness? Bravo shows always take such a dark turn...

[scrb]

One of the cast member said that Katherine was a godsend for the show, because the drama she created probably ensured seasons 2 and 3.

 

The producers may want to keep up the drama around her so they'll have the cast keep bringing up her sleeping around and now this shunning by other cast members.

 

For better or worse, she's the center of the show now and controversy is her story line.

[TheFinalRose]

I just spent an absurd amount of time scrolling back through her Instagram -- she and Shep did date for a while a few years ago, and although she's clearly a naturally skinny girl, she's lost so much weight that current day Danni looks gaunt and skeletal compared to the skinny but healthy looking Danni we saw in season 1.

 

 

 

Thank you for your commitment!! She must be starving all the time. What a terrible way to live your life. How many men do we see that starve themselves like that? 

 

I am also surprised Cameran didn't do a tablecloth or placemats. There are so many pretty ones and all it takes is a quick trip to HomeGoods!   Her house is certainly beautifully done.  

 

But it feels wrong to snark on Landon too much after she revealed last year that she attended a program for children with learning and speech disabilities.

 

 

 

 

I didn't know that. I really don't notice her way of speech at all.  

 

 

[DeepRed]

<snip>

 

Talk about Sherman's March to the Sea...sounds like Katherine has "dabbled" with everything on two legs between Charleston and Savannah.  

 

Now I get why this crew is socially shunning her.  Katherine has broken the "girl code" of the South. Whether that "girl code" is viewed as good or bad outside the South doesn't matter - believe me it exists  - "good" girls get the white picked fence and "bad" girls don't. EVER. At least in the type of click she is trying to run with. So Katherine can kiss that dream goodbye.  Not that I agree, but it is what it is.

 

<snip>

Of the guys in that group, Kathryn had sex with the three who had money - serious money.  That tells me she's a gold digger.  It doesn't matter to me if she's had sex with 3 guys, 30 or 300, but it's interesting that she targeted the three rich guys and passed over no-bucks Craig.  I'll never forget her running down that dock after Thomas, like a little kid playing "dress up" in her updo, fancy handbag and fur coat.  What 22-year-old wears a fur coat nowadays?  It must say "rich" to Kathryn.

 

I don't know if Kathryn is being shunned because she broke a girl code.  I'm not from the South so I can't say.  Maybe she's shunned due to her overall bad behavior: the sulking, pouting, and screaming like a fishwife at every event.  IMO she's a rude, nasty pill.  As Cameran said, who wants that (in their house or at an event)?  I think that if young, preggers Kathryn had behaved better she'd have garnered some sympathy and a few more friends.

[bichonblitz]

She must be starving all the time. What a terrible way to live your life. How many men do we see that starve themselves like that? 

 

 

Actually, I think Whitney has an eating disorder. He is painfully thin, also. He made comments last season about never eating. It's just not noticed because he  NEVER takes his jacket off. In that humid southern climate, it must be unbearable, nobody dresses like that in the south unless you're going to a formal ocassion.  He's so weird. 

Edited April 13, 2016 by bichonblitz

[Tara Ariano]

In case you missed it, here's the Previously.TV post on the episode!

 

On Southern Charm, Kathryn Has A Lot In Common With Cameran's Kitchen Appliances
They're both excluded, but so far, only one of them has been locked in a closet.

[JenE4]

Yes, Glowlights! That's exactly what I was going to say: She used a saucepan last year to heat up those packaged mashed potatoes when she pretended to be helpless in the kitchen, so we know she has a saucepan in a cabinet somewhere in the kitchen! But maybe that's where the potatoes came from--her favorite packaged brand. She also had other pots and pans out last year. That was her schtick that she'd heat up frozen foods and make a mess so Jason would think that she cooked...not that we ever saw him to find out whether it worked. I think the whole thing is a fake storyline. Granted, i bet she's never roasted a prime rib before, but these people have the most expansive vocabulary in the history of reality TV, so who's going to fall for, "And what do you mean by 'carve?'"

Am I the only one concerned that JD might be grifting Craig in a Ponzi scheme? "For the low price of $15,000, I'll give YOU the opportunity to work for ME for free until you pay off the rest of your sweat equity." Ok, somehow Craig is buying equity in the company that he's now going to be working in, but maybe work there first and see how it goes before signing over your life's savings? I get the feeling Craig thinks for his $15,000 investment and minimal work until he passes the bar, he can then sit back and wait for the checks to roll in, like Shep does. Craig realizes JD actually works, right?

Whitney really despises Thomas now, doesn't he? And T-Rav has no idea he's become the butt of the joke. At least Kathryn is astute enough to catch on that she's been ousted from the group.

[Missmissie173]

I had to pause to collect myself when Landon said she needs to make some money so she's going to start a lifestyle magazine. Um, Landon? Honey? If you need quick income a magazine start-up is pretty much the last thing you should try. That's how you lose money, not earn it. But it feels wrong to snark on Landon too much after she revealed last year that she attended a program for children with learning and speech disabilities. 

 

Can't we go back to cartinis and other innocent silliness? Bravo shows always take such a dark turn...

I get where you are coming from about the childhood disabilities, but Landon did sign-up for a reality show, so I will give her credit for having enough smarts to know that snark will be involved.  And on that note:

 

In best Drunkie-O voice, "Landon, sweetie, perhaps you should have a LIFE, before you give advice on Lifestyle?"  Que Whitney's bitchified laughter from off- camera.

 

Plus, a little voice in my head is telling me that Landon is the fox in the Southern Charm hen house (or townhouse as the case may be.).  IMHO she plays the Dope/Belle card really, really well.

 

I do agree about Bravo and darkness.  However, Bravo has to have the darkness or no viewers. We (we meaning most of us) like watching doom porn reality show darkness...sorry, I got nothin' to explain why.  Maybe just WhackaDoodle Human Nature? ???  Who knows.   

[imjagain]

I distinctly recall seeing Cameran heat up premade mashed potatoes in a.... wait for it.... SAUCEPAN last season. It was the episode where she pretended her husband doesn't know she can't cook so she bought a bunch of Stouffers stuff, heated it up, and told him she made dinner. This week's dinner party was cute but way too contrived for my taste. "Cameran Does I Love Lucy". Not to mention Thomas's shtick in the French restaurant. These people need acting lessons.

The best part was when Patricia calmly and succinctly laid out the reasons for why Kathryn wasn't getting invitations. Shut up, Craig.

I had to pause to collect myself when Landon said she needs to make some money so she's going to start a lifestyle magazine. Um, Landon? Honey? If you need quick income a magazine start-up is pretty much the last thing you should try. That's how you lose money, not earn it. But it feels wrong to snark on Landon too much after she revealed last year that she attended a program for children with learning and speech disabilities. Unlike Kathryn, who not only said Landon sounds like a dolphin in that preview dinner scene but was on social media a few days ago snickering that Landon should work for SeaWorld. Because disabilities are so funny, y'all. I guess mocking a co-worker's speech impediment is just one of the many fine values one learns while growing up as the Calhoun royalty of Monck's Corner.

Speaking of fourth walls, Whitney claims Kathryn earns six figures. So her storyline is that she's not able to make ends meet on the meager scraps that Thomas gives her, while she's really not broke at all, meanwhile in this ep she's saying all the other cast members are full of shit and love the smell of it. Okay.

Can't we go back to cartinis and other innocent silliness? Bravo shows always take such a dark turn...

She did? I must have missed that. Aww that makes me feel for her more. My son has autism and is speech delayed, so that speaks to me (no pun intended)

Saying that, the magazine idea was so silly. Landon, a magazine is not a quick money idea. Someone on here suggested a Web site, that is a far better idea and I find it odd that she hasn't already done that.

[Alison]

She can take a page from her Vanderpump Rules compadres and make the Charleston equivalent of Pucker and Pout, or whatever Stassi's blog is called. Or maybe she can help make Kristen's T-shirt line bi-coastal!

[methodwriter85]

There sure was a lot of whining from people about "Oh poor me, look how poor I am" in this episode. Yeesh. We've got Landon talking about "leaving with nothing" from her divorce...Well that sure is a nice house she lives in for having "gotten nothing" and having a fake "magazine" job (or whatever it is). Then we've got Craig talking about being broke as hell...living in a $1.1 million house (I know it's not his, but still) and supposedly having $15K in the bank to hand over to JD for whatever weird "project manager" scam that was. God forbid he just get an actual job, like us plebians. And can't forget Kathryn talking about how she has "nothing," despite the fact that lives in her parent's house presumably rent-free, gets $30K a year from Thomas (I know he can afford more, but the point remains - $2,500 a month isn't "nothing"), is fully capable of getting her own job but doesn't, and apparently can afford the 3-bedroom house she plans on renting? She's like "see I'm not a gold digger!" No honey, that doesn't mean you're not a gold digger, it just means it didn't work. So sorry that your baby daddy hasn't bought you a mansion yet. 

 

I'm not saying that Craig's parents live in a mansion (they don't), but he DID grow up in a pretty nice house, and in Fenwick Island, a coastal town. Even if they got the house back in the 1980's/1990's before prices really skyrocketed for coastal Delaware, it's not like Craig grew up in a cheap tract house in inland Delaware. Craig also doesn't seem to have student loans, and his fake law school didn't sound cheap, so I'm guessing his family is somewhere around upper middle class.

 

There's got to be some part of Katherine's family land that could be suitable for development. I get that a lot of it might be wetlands, but developers usually don't give a shit if they can develop at least part of it, and put a housing development or shopping center right next to wetlands. (At least that's the way it seems to be in Delaware.)

 

Yeah, the producers are totally working Kathryn into a lather.

[TheFinalRose]

I think Landon could do a Southern-style lifestyle blog.  As I mentioned last week, she LOOKS like a brown-haired Martha Stewart. She also seems a little more creative (out of this whole bunch) so she should build on that opportunity. But, alas, sustaining those types of efforts and monetizing them takes discipline. Don't know if she has that in her or not. Meanwhile, she should just cause drama on Southern Charm, that's a way to increase one's income from year to year, or as long as the show lasts.  

[Kiss my mutt]

For all of Whitney's pomposity and elitist attitude, dude can't even pronounce chicanery. It's a long a nit a short a.

I thought Katherine had a degree from university of South Carolina? She should never be without makeup or at least some eyebrows. I can't believe you're not entitled to child support if you're not married without a court order. I don't know how much he would legally be on the hook for there.

Craig's complexion has always looked really sickly and pasty to me. I don't find him particularly attractive but his laziness and apathy are such a turn off anyway that even if he were cute he'd still be a loser. I liked the back of Naomi's dress at the dinner party but when she turned around all that yellow just was too much.

I think all the girls are too skinny on the show for the most part. I think Camaren definitely overdoes the "I'm not a traditional southern housewife schtick. Um, actually, you are. I thought the table and the food was a bit austere compared to what we're used to seeing. I hated her dress but she has such a lovely complexion.

Landon is just a dope. She's aimless and uninteresting. When she does her THs about Shep's penchant for young, hot ass, she seems jealous.

Shep is getting old and uninteresting as well. He fancies himself the George Clooney of Charleston.

[Pretzels-R-Good]

I created a profile just to ask this question:  Where have I seen Cameran's friend, Chelsea, from?  She was the last guest to arrive at Cameran's dinner party and they greeted each other with, "Hey, friend!"  When Cameran introduced her to the group, Shep gave her a hug and said he knew her. Chelsea didn't seem to know anyone else.  She sat between Shep and Whitley during dinner but I don't think she ever spoke (at least it didn't make the editing).  

 

I know I've seen her on another show and it is driving me CRAZY.  Does she look familiar to anyone else???

[HunterHunted]

I think Landon could do a Southern-style lifestyle blog.  As I mentioned last week, she LOOKS like a brown-haired Martha Stewart. She also seems a little more creative (out of this whole bunch) so she should build on that opportunity. But, alas, sustaining those types of efforts and monetizing them takes discipline. Don't know if she has that in her or not. Meanwhile, she should just cause drama on Southern Charm, that's a way to increase one's income from year to year, or as long as the show lasts.

I actually think that Landon should partner with Jamie Meares. Jamie is like a decently big deal when it comes to decorating and design. I think she has a couple of shops. She's in North Carolina and her work is featured in magazines. Landon has more Instagram followers, but her gram looks like shit. It's just her and her friends. Not spaces that she's decorated. Not design projects and recent finds. Just stupid pictures of her and her friends in mostly mediocre outfits.

Landon's real problem is that she has no passion for anything because her ideal job is rich wife.

[OnceSane]

She can take a page from her Vanderpump Rules compadres and make the Charleston equivalent of Pucker and Pout, or whatever Stassi's blog is called. Or maybe she can help make Kristen's T-shirt line bi-coastal!

Pucker & Pout is Katie's fashion blog, not Stassi's.

Cameran bores me. The "I can't cook!" schtick was old last season…guess she had nothing else as a storyline. Maybe next season she'll pretend to try to get pregnant.

Craig is an idiot. I wouldn't give any of these suckers my money & then work for them for free.

Kathryn needs therapy for her lack of impulse control. I don't think it would lead to Thomas marrying her, but she might get the upper hand more often without using the kids.

[biakbiak]

I thought Katherine had a degree from university of South Carolina?

She dropped out.

Edited April 14, 2016 by biakbiak

[RedHawk]

She dropped out.

 

I haven't done a lot of Googling, but back in Season 1 I looked up Kathryn and never could find out the full story on her dropping out. It seemed like she was just a few credits shy of graduating so it made so little sense that she would not finish up and get her degree. I'm still curious about what happened there.

[scrb]

Probably thought she had her meal ticket for life so the idea of working to accomplish anything lost its appeal.

[ScoobieDoobs]

Yeah, sorry, I still can't get with the Shep love.  I think he can be nasty as fuck -- sometimes indirectly & sometimes very directly.  When he said in his TH that Cameran couldn't get the small town out of her, it was clearly a lowball snooty (and very snotty) dig that he thinks she's a hick out of her element.  I didn't care for it.  I didn't care for it at all.  I also don't like how he treats (some, maybe most) women he gets involved with.  Didn't we see that one sour-looking attractive blonde gal he apparently once dated.  Oh, that gal did not look happy.  Wonder what exactly went on.  Now, was she dumb to get involved with him at all -- or did he treat her like crap (as I suspect)?  Idk, but I'd really like to know.

 

As far as ole bug-eyed/horse-teeth Shep getting married?  Of course, that's up to him.  BUT I suspect gold-digging chicks will still be gravitating to him as long as he has dough, in spite of his looks starting to check out fast.  And it's likely it's his money that make people (I mean local people) question why he's not married.  I would think smart gals looking for a committed relationship would realize quickly (um, within 2 seconds of meeting him) to steer clear of ole Horseteeth.

 

This show is getting into a believability prob for me with the Have-nots.  It's a similar thing with Vanderpump Rules.  That show started out focusing on struggling restaurant workers -- except now that they're all making decent dough from the show, they're clearly not so struggling anymore.  BUT they can't break the 4th wall & say they're making good dough from the show.  Same thing going on here with the Have-nots.

 

Um, and just where did broke loser/gigolo Craig get 15 thou to give JD?  Er, maybe Bravo dough?  How does Kathryn suddenly have enough cash to look for a place so casually, when she said Thomas sporadically (probably on his whim) gives her money?  Er, maybe Bravo dough?  And just how does whiny/nasally Landon afford to live at all, when she has no job & presumably zero source of income & clearly NO desire to actively find some source of income?  Er, maybe Bravo dough?  Yeah, I know they can't break that 4th wall, but . . . 

Edited April 14, 2016 by ScoobieDoobs

[methodwriter85]

Yeah, sorry, I still can't get with the Shep love.  I think he can be nasty as fuck -- sometimes indirectly & sometimes very directly.  When he said in his TH that Cameran couldn't get the small town out of her, it was clearly a lowball snooty (and very snotty) dig that he thinks she's a hick out of her element.  I didn't care for it.  I didn't care for it at all.

 

It was a little weird, because Shep's persona in season 1 was along the lines of "Oh, I'm just a good ol' Small Town Southern Boy who happens to have a name." It's really interesting when you see that persona drop and Shep's snob come out.

 

It also kind of mirrored the comment that Cameran made in an "extra" scene from season 1, where they went to Jenna's sugar daddy's house in New York City, and Cameran talked about how being in a fancy New York City scene was kind of Shep's experience as a good ol' Smalltown Southern Boy.

[biakbiak]

Probably thought she had her meal ticket for life so the idea of working to accomplish anything lost its appeal.

She dropped out well before she met Thomas, I thought I read that she dropped out her Junior year not that she was just a few credits shy of graduating.

Edited April 14, 2016 by biakbiak

[methodwriter85]

Am I the only one concerned that JD might be grifting Craig in a Ponzi scheme? "For the low price of $15,000, I'll give YOU the opportunity to work for ME for free until you pay off the rest of your sweat equity." Ok, somehow Craig is buying equity in the company that he's now going to be working in, but maybe work there first and see how it goes before signing over your life's savings? I get the feeling Craig thinks for his $15,000 investment and minimal work until he passes the bar, he can then sit back and wait for the checks to roll in, like Shep does. Craig realizes JD actually works, right?

Craig's 15k was probably money given to him by Bravo to give to JD so they could give Craig a new storyline and promote JD's businesses.

[Suck It Trebek]

What should you use for wood furniture?

Landon looks like the real life version of this emoji:

[bblancobrnx]

Wood furniture with a lacquered finish should be cleaned with a mild soap and warm water mixture. Chemicals should not be used. Spills should be cleaned up promptly.

A furniture polish such as old English is fine for wood furniture without a lacquer finish, as the oils can penetrate and "seal" the wood

Edited April 14, 2016 by bblancobrnx

[Major Bigtime]

Um, and just where did broke loser/gigolo Craig get 15 thou to give JD? Er, maybe Bravo dough? How does Kathryn suddenly have enough cash to look for a place so casually, when she said Thomas sporadically (probably on his whim) gives her money? Er, maybe Bravo dough? And just how does whiny/nasally Landon afford to live at all, when she has no job & presumably zero source of income & clearly NO desire to actively find some source of income? Er, maybe Bravo dough? Yeah, I know they can't break that 4th wall, but . . .

Of course it's money they get paid by Bravo to be on this show. Probably a decent salary for a few hours a day of pretending to be having fun at a dinner party. Since this show is fairly popular, they are probably getting paid a lot more now than in season 1. Kathryn whining about money to rent a house is going to be her storyline all season long, so brace yourselves.

[RedDelicious]

If Landon really has a speech impediment, I am sorry for making fun of the way she talks.

Her interior design skills are for sh*t though. Just because you "like" to do something doesn't mean you're good at it.

[slowpoked]

I created a profile just to ask this question:  Where have I seen Cameran's friend, Chelsea, from?  She was the last guest to arrive at Cameran's dinner party and they greeted each other with, "Hey, friend!"  When Cameran introduced her to the group, Shep gave her a hug and said he knew her. Chelsea didn't seem to know anyone else.  She sat between Shep and Whitley during dinner but I don't think she ever spoke (at least it didn't make the editing).  

 

I know I've seen her on another show and it is driving me CRAZY.  Does she look familiar to anyone else???

It's Chelsea Meissner from Survivor One World, the season in which Kim Spradlin won.

[TVForever]

As for Shep, does everybody have to get married by thirty? Is that some new law I missed?

If he doesn't want to get married, he doesn't have to.

 

        I definitely don't think Shep should get married if he isn't ready to be with one person. My only objection is to his public "frat boy" behavior where he's playing smoochy-huggy with every woman that comes his way, and just something about the way he talks about women. Come on, he's a little old for that. That's more for Craig's age group. Look how unattractive it is on Thomas. There's a way to be single and dating without being so...out there.

[DeepRed]

ScoobieDoobs, the bloom was off the Rose for me at Cameran's dinner party too.  Levitating a piece of meat across the table just on a serving fork, without a plate underneath, was kind of weird but hey, it was a casual buffet, not a fancy dinner with waiters.  No one seemed to think it was a huge faux pas - just Shep, who wasted no time letting Cameran know how crass he thought it was.  Manners, buddy!  Especially to your hostess.  I loved Cameran's retort, asking Shep when he'd be hosting a dinner party.

 

To me Shep's a weird mix.  He'll exhibit old-fashioned good manners, like standing up when a woman enters a room, but he's quick to embarrass people in front of others when he thinks their manners fall short in some way.  That kind of thing might be cute in a 20-something, but not in someone on the far side of 30.

 

It's clear to me that the Kathryn/Thomas dynamic this season will be all about the push/pull over visitation and financial support.  Simply going to court would settle it once and for all, but as others of you have pointed out, these morons will just keep the tension cranked up and drama flowing.  I'm sure the other cast members see that too which is why they're steering clear of the whole (redheaded) mess so far.  Except for Craig, it seems.

 

I'm sure Kathryn could afford a down payment on a small 3-bedroom house, and having child support from Thomas would free her up to GET A JOB to pay her bills, but I don't see that happening; a job outside of filming the show, I mean.  Kathryn doesn't strike me as eager to be a 9-to-5 kind of gal, slaving away in someone else's business.  Who'd have her, anyway?  Anyone who watches the show wouldn't want that volatile, screaming mess as a brand ambassador or whatever.

Edited April 14, 2016 by DeepRed

[Almost 3000]

If Landon really has a speech impediment, I am sorry for making fun of the way she talks.

Her interior design skills are for sh*t though. Just because you "like" to do something doesn't mean you're good at it.

I had an art teacher in college that asked if your art was going to be your career, hobby or therapy.

[glowlights]

I get where you are coming from about the childhood disabilities, but Landon did sign-up for a reality show, so I will give her credit for having enough smarts to know that snark will be involved.

 

Agreed, and to be clear I wasn't calling out any snark from viewers or Preverts because the only way to know would be to diligently follow these boards or social media as it hasn't been part of the show (that I ever recall), and as you said Landon signed up for national t.v. But I am calling out Kathryn, a fellow cast member who has to know the situation and is choosing to publicly mock her. Landon mainly bores me. She seemed to be in her element while wrangling models at "Cooper's little show". Maybe that's her calling. It sure ain't painting, as we saw this week!

 

(I know I am one of the very few Bravo viewers who are craving harmless fun. Emphasis on very few, which is why Andy hires weave-pullers, drink throwers and gold diggers... To each their own. I'm hardly one to judge tastes in t.v. *cough* Ex-Wives of Rock *cough*)

[jennylauren123]

Does anyone else think that wacky, beloved Cameran looks like she's had her lips done?

 

They looked mighty full to me, and I don't remember them from previous seasons.

[psychoticstate]

Of the guys in that group, Kathryn had sex with the three who had money - serious money.  That tells me she's a gold digger.  It doesn't matter to me if she's had sex with 3 guys, 30 or 300, but it's interesting that she targeted the three rich guys and passed over no-bucks Craig.  I'll never forget her running down that dock after Thomas, like a little kid playing "dress up" in her updo, fancy handbag and fur coat.  What 22-year-old wears a fur coat nowadays?  It must say "rich" to Kathryn.

 

I don't know if Kathryn is being shunned because she broke a girl code.  I'm not from the South so I can't say.  Maybe she's shunned due to her overall bad behavior: the sulking, pouting, and screaming like a fishwife at every event.  IMO she's a rude, nasty pill.  As Cameran said, who wants that (in their house or at an event)?  I think that if young, preggers Kathryn had behaved better she'd have garnered some sympathy and a few more friends.

 

I think Kathryn is being shunned because she's an embarrassment.  I'm from the South and if you are a true Southerner it would be mortifying to have someone interrupt your dinner party by giving another guest or guests the finger, telling them to eff off, screaming after a drunken (and possibly stoned/high) 50 year old like an alley cat in heat . .  the list goes on.   And she may be intelligent but she sure doesn't act like it.  TRav wasn't exactly the most attentive partner to her while she was pregnant with Kensie and after she was born so you sure as hell don't go get knocked up again.   Girl, please.  Shep and Whitney should be thanking their lucky stars they didn't knock her up.    Not only that, if she had a bit of intelligence, she would go speak to an attorney about getting child support.  Sheesh.  

 

I agree with TRav (ouch, that hurt) that there wasn't a marriage involved and so he does not need to support Kathryn.  He should take care of his children but Kathryn should consider a little something called a j-o-b.  If her parents are willing to help her care for the kids, she has more than many single working mothers do.  

 

On other note, I have so obviously set the bar far too low for myself in life.   I should have aimed to be a grand dame of the South, pushing an infant hedgehog around in a baby carriage, and tossing out well deserved barbs to drunken idiots.    

[DeepRed]

On other note, I have so obviously set the bar far too low for myself in life.   I should have aimed to be a grand dame of the South, pushing an infant hedgehog around in a baby carriage, and tossing out well deserved barbs to drunken idiots.    

While wearing a fancy caftan, cocktail glass in hand.  I'm crestfallen (tm Shep) that I've found my true calling in old age.  {:(

[Grey Goose]

Landon in this ep reminds me of the young girls in my town who go to paint and drink wine shops. They drink/paint a few times and then believe they have developed enough skill to sell their work to make money. It's actually quite entertaining. A new Etsy comes along every day. Maybe Landon can start an Etsy business for her paintings.

I work in development in the non for profit world.  This year, several people donated their drink and paint by vocal instruction treasures for selling and assigned values of $100+ to their gift.  I was horrified.  

[bblancobrnx]

While wearing a fancy caftan, cocktail glass in hand. I'm crestfallen (tm Shep) that I've found my true calling in old age. {:(

Bwaaaahahahaha! Crestfallen. I laughed out loud when Shep said that on the WWHL commercial with him and Brandi. Not a word you hear very often.

Edited April 14, 2016 by bblancobrnx

[TheFinalRose]

Bwaaaahahahaha! Crestfallen. I laughed out loud when Shep said that on the WWHL commercial with him and Brandi. Not a word you hear very often.

 

 

 

Between that and Whitney's chicanery, (even mispronounced), the actual vocabulary of these players catapults this reality show to the top of the heap at Bravo.  That's part of why I can't hate Shep. And, in his defense, I have front teeth that are capped due to a childhood injury and sadly, despite all our technological advances, fake teeth still will always look less than what Mother Nature first provided. (That's why I am always telling my kids "watch out for your teeth!")

[ScoobieDoobs]

I agree with TRav (ouch, that hurt) that there wasn't a marriage involved and so he does not need to support Kathryn.  He should take care of his children but Kathryn should consider a little something called a j-o-b.  If her parents are willing to help her care for the kids, she has more than many single working mothers do.  

 

Well, Thomas wouldn't fare too well in court.  He'd be forced to pay for support of his children -- and I'd bet the farm it would be a helluva lot more than $2500 a month.  Now, OTOH, flighty Kathryn would also be forced to schedule visitation for the kids to be with Thomas & stick to that schedule.  Maybe that ain't easy for an unbalanced loon like Kathryn.  Honestly, I'm not getting why Kathryn hasn't taken him to court -- especially when she says he's not consistent with whatever money he is giving her.  Is it that she's just a dumb-dumb & doesn't realize she needs to go to court to force Thomas to financially support his children consistently (and well)?

Edited April 15, 2016 by ScoobieDoobs

[hottesthw]

I get the impression that Thomas is 'not' the father who is always on the ball about giving money for the support of his child. So, no, he's not always given visitation with his daughter. What are Kathryn's other choices? Sad, but true. Bottom line with me is that 'TRav' is a total jerk. Yeah, Kathryn has her share of problems but Thomas is worse because of his age and what would seemingly be a more mature attitude because of his age. I'm not excusing Kathryn but really? You go back with the mother of your child and not use protection?

e.

She could get off her lazy ass and get a job like the rest of the world. And IMO, only a true asshole would basically hold their child as a hostage until the ransom, I mean child support check came in. Visitation is not a reward for payment.

[biakbiak]

Well, Thomas wouldn't fare too well in court. He'd be forced to pay for support of his children -- and I'd bet the farm it would be a helluva lot more than $2500 a month. Now, OTOH, flighty Kathryn would also be forced to schedule visitation for the kids to be with Thomas & stick to that schedule. Maybe that ain't easy for an unbalanced loon like Kathryn. Honestly, I'm not getting why Kathryn hasn't taken him to court -- especially when she says he's not consistent with whatever money he is giving her. Is it that she's just a dumb-dumb & doesn't realize she needs to go to court to force Thomas to financially support his children consistently (and well)?

Not necessarily, South Carolina base support guidelines chart top out at people who make $30,000 a MONTH for one child it's $2,043 for two $2,800. We don't know how much money actually has or his annual/monthly "salary". I mean it's more complicated than that but when Thomas said on the reunion he was paying 2500 a month for Kensie and that it was more than the state required that might be completely accurate.

Edited April 15, 2016 by biakbiak

[ScoobieDoobs]

That's interesting.  But it still seems like a really crummy arrangement for BOTH of 'em.  He can cut off the money faucet at his whim & she can cut off his visitation to the children at her whim.  Seems to me like they're both too lazy & stupid to go to court & make this situation better for themselves & the children.

[ScoobieDoobs]

She could get off her lazy ass and get a job like the rest of the world. And IMO, only a true asshole would basically hold their child as a hostage until the ransom, I mean child support check came in. Visitation is not a reward for payment.

 

It is easy to forget -- cuz nobody on the show will mention it on cam (or in their Twitters) cuz they're probably ordered not to by their Bravo contracts -- BUT the show is her job.  By now, Kathryn must make some pretty significant cash from Bravo for being on this show.  But whether Kathryn has a job (or any income, whatever it is) has absolutely nothing to do with whether Thomas should be paying child support.  He is legally bound to pay child support.  And Kathryn should be taking him to court to set an amount she will get from him every month -- if only for the sake of her children.  Will she do this?  I kinda doubt it.  She just seems so flighty & stupid & lazy & out of it.  Maybe she's not motivated to take him to court if she's getting pretty decent dough from being on the show.

[biakbiak]

That's interesting.  But it still seems like a really crummy arrangement for BOTH of 'em.  He can cut off the money faucet at his whim & she can cut off his visitation to the children at her whim.  Seems to me like they're both too lazy & stupid to go to court & make this situation better for themselves & the children.

Oh I agree it's completely stupid and doesn't create a healthy environment to raise their children in but since their entire relationship has been stupid, full of emotional blackmail and unhealthy, it doesn't surprise me.

[TVForever]

Is it possible that somewhere in her brain, Kathryn is STILL hoping for a ring? After all, I was shocked ( and trust me, I'm not even a little bit suprised by most of what goes on with these "reality" shows) to randomly come across the news a few months back that these two had a second child. Last I'd heard, they had broken up. Hmm.

I don't think Kathryn would even mind Thomas' ridiculous behavior that much if she had the "wife" status. And maybe, just maybe, she's hesitant to rock the boat too much in hopes that it could still happen.