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Discussion of the hosts regarding a specific episode is fine here, but generalized discussion of the hosts go in the The Hosts Thread: Joe and Mika Know Their Value. 

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5 minutes ago, Eliot said:

That is so disingenuous of Mika (who is conspicuously absent from the show today; I wonder why...)

Dr. Ford has not said she will not testify. She wants an investigation first so it does not become a he-said she-said circus. That is not unreasonable.

Now Elise is breaking my heart by blaming Democrats. Fuck this show.

I am stunned and dismayed by the number of women going on news shows and attacking Ford.   Makes me dubious about all those "angry women voters" people are counting on to stoke the "blue wave."   Because there seem to be a lot who are towing the Republican line right now.   

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21 minutes ago, Eliot said:

Has it even been confirmed that it was the Dems who leaked the allegation? Or was that just a conclusion Joe leaped to in his usual ill-informed fashion?

And now Joe is calling for an FBI investigation, whereas yesterday he was screeching about how futile one would be.

This has been my angst since this first broke.  I want to know who leaked the information and I find it puzzling that neither side seems to be too interested in confirming this.

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1 hour ago, millennium said:

I am stunned and dismayed by the number of women going on news shows and attacking Ford.   Makes me dubious about all those "angry women voters" people are counting on to stoke the "blue wave."   Because there seem to be a lot who are towing the Republican line right now.   

Morning Joe, with Del Percio yesterday and Elise today, is just the latest MSNBC show to feature a Republican woman supporting Kavanaugh by attacking Ford. They’ve been odious about it, including sliming Ford by saying, on Chris Hayes’s show, that Ford’s possibly “recovered memory”  in therapy can’t be trusted (that was Linda Chavez).  Putting R women on to do the sliming is pretty smart - the mostly white male panels are paralyzed and not questioning that take. It’s also infuriating to many viewers. I’ve stopped watching the network except for Rachel and Lawrence. 

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Elise Jordan jumped on the "Republicans are bending over backwards, Democrats are bad" bandwagon,

I literally looked at my phone screen to make sure a passing meteorite didn't make my satellite switch to Fox News.  It was dismaying.

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47 minutes ago, may flowers said:

Morning Joe, with Del Percio yesterday and Elise today, is just the latest MSNBC show to feature a Republican woman supporting Kavanaugh by attacking Ford. They’ve been odious about it, including sliming Ford by saying, on Chris Hayes’s show, that Ford’s possibly “recovered memory”  in therapy can’t be trusted (that was Linda Chavez).  Putting R women on to do the sliming is pretty smart - the mostly white male panels are paralyzed and not questioning that take. It’s also infuriating to many viewers. I’ve stopped watching the network except for Rachel and Lawrence. 

 

Megyn Kelly was on Hardball last night saying that Christina Ford doesn't get to dictate procedure.   This must be a MSNBC-wide thing.

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Chloesmom

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Ok I swung back to see who is still there at the end of the show and may I say that was quite a performance by Joe over his anguish that the republicans won't ask for the FBI to investigate.  Joe tosses the ball over to Elise in a redemption play and she fumbles falling back on blaming Trump and now they're going to lose the mid-terms (that wasn't the question Elise).

Glad I caught part of Kristin Welker's spot, I like her a lot.  Gee I wonder why Trump isn't getting too involved in this . . . hmmmm . . . could it be he picked him because of his executive privileges views regardless of knowing he was going to be problematic and now his tone has become so moderate for the first time in his presidency?  Hmmmmm . . . . what a shitshow.

2 minutes ago, millennium said:

 

Megyn Kelly was on Hardball last night saying that Christina Ford doesn't get to dictate procedure.   This must be a MSNBC-wide thing.

Always happy to hear from Megyn, another great pick/expenditure by Andy Lack.

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stormy

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Glad I only invested 3 minutes in this show this morning.

At that it was already absurd. Top story. Fat ass visits NC so he can check in on his golf course.  Second story Red Sox with footage. All that in 3 minutes!

BTW I thought I heard on CNN that a Democratic staffer leaked the letter?

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teddysmom

teddysmom

If it was leaked, how would anyone know who did it? It would get leaked to the press, and they would keep the source confidential. It's not like some staffer from Feinstein's office went out on the steps of the Capitol "Hello, I'm Mary Jo Johnson, Aide to Senator Feinstein, and the woman's name is Christine Blassey Ford". 

I thought it came out when the WaPo story ran.  That's the first I heard it, the story was printed, because Feinstein finally talked to the rest of the Dems on the Judiciary Committee

I heard that one of the reasons Feinstein didn't tell anyone about it , R, or D, was because she knew her name would get leaked.

Joe's sources on this are his delusion.  

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teddysmom

teddysmom

5 minutes ago, stormy said:

Hmm. Maybe it was her name that I heard was leaked by a dem staffer after the letter was out.

Sorry I'm not sure what I heard or didn't hear. :(

Stormy Sorry for how that came out I wasn't questioning what you heard, I'm questioning Joe blaming a Dem staffer. Probably didn't say that the way I should have. 

I heard him say the same thing, and others as well, and it could be part of an R narrative. 

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MulletorHater

2 hours ago, Landsnark said:

What a weird show today.  Trump is pro Ford, wants her to have time to testify and say her piece.  WTF is that about?  Joe flipped flopped to now being in favor of having the FBI investigate and give her time.  The ladies on the panel are attacking the Dems and Ford.
Mika is so spineless and weak.

Remember how Meek-a had no problem insisting that Al Franken had to go?  Now, she's all, "it's not good for them [Democrats]" if they are playing dirty.  Sure, Meek-a.  Playing dirty is wanting all the facts investigated (at the accuser's request) before an unindicted co-conspirator is allowed to hand-pick a justice for SCOTUS--one who may ultimately decide if he should comply with a subpoena. 

Wake me when this insipid bitch actually knows her value.

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Landsnark

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"Playing dirty?"  It's called politics, for christ's sake.  They're slowing down the confirmation process so that a political operative isn't appointed to the Supreme Court.  What's the issue?  They'd be feckless ****s if they didn't. 
The right wing can have its own propaganda network, its own facts, and can cheat, lie, and steal all in the name of expediency... but the left wing throws the wrench in the works to keep an evil partisan ideologue from warping law for the next 40 years, and the fucking snowflakes at MSNBC wet themselves?

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Chloesmom

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Ok, I tuned in just in time to hear them discussing the re-launch of Meek's book (which would explain why they both made it into the studio today) and also explaining to women as to how to get a raise.  They are having this discussion with a straight face with Joe encouraging Meeks to tell people how to do it (they have to know how bad this looks, right?).  Del Percio is chiming in (her stock has dropped like a rock with me this week).  The rest of the people around the table (all men) look uncomfortable.  When is this nonsense going to end?

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Ok, Joe calling balls and strikes as to what is offensive when folks are discussing the Kavanaugh issue this week is just peak Scarborough.  Of all people to become the moral arbiter of on air behavior.  What's next, Playing Well in a Group with Chris Matthews?

Oh this is priceless, Joe doesn't care what people say about him but it upsets his kids.  And playing kissy face with your co-host right on air didn't give them pause I assume?  Asshat.

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Eliot

Eliot

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Now Joe and Meeks, with perfectly straight faces, are demanding an FBI investigation?

And, Joe, please spare me the bleating lamentations around poor, mistreated Robert Bork. Ted Kennedy spoke against him, as was his right as a member of the judiciary committee, and for decades Joe has harbored such pain and resentment that it’s ruined jurisprudence for generations? How about just not nominating corrupt ideologues to the highest court in the land, Bill fucking Kristol? Choose justices everyone can accept (hello Merrick Garland) and split the fucking difference.

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With regard to the advice that Democrats should run veterans for office, someone should remind Donny Deutsch that Al Gore and John Kerry were veterans. They went to Vietnam, risked their lives, and their service was savaged. George Bush never step foot in Vietnam. And, by the way, it's not Democrats who belittled John McCain's service. It was other Republicans, notably your president, Trump.

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8:15 AM from the Old Socially-Deaf Chummy White Men File--that Rep from S. Carolina saying RBG was groped by Abe Lincoln.  Jesus Lord!  Will things ever change?  I guess one day they will all die off so let's wait patiently.

 

All of this Supreme Court Kabuki Theater rolls down to one thing which I just cannot get over --Obama was legally in his rights to nominate a Supreme Court justice and have him vetted and voted on. How the hell could that just have been accepted and the Right now gets away with this shit? It was Obmamas legal right to have a nominee.  I am just stuck there.

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Del Percio says a Democrat outed Dr. Ford.  No one pushes back.  Joe refers to what happened to her as "sexual harassment".  No one pushes back.  Maybe I missed something but: 1) I don't think it's been established as to who contacted the reporter and gave up her name, and 2) being pinned down on a bed while someone tries to remove your clothes is a bit more than "harassment".  This panel is ridiculous and Miss KYV is, as usual, the potted plant in the corner.    

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All I know is the comment Joe made about no one is questioning the boys that are complaining about sec abuse from priests 35 years later and the Abe Lincoln/RBG joke the asshole said in the clip are both memes going around FB. 

So good news is I don’t have to watch the show. I can just look at what my bored, idiot, partisan acquaintances post on social media. 

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1 hour ago, Chloesmom said:

Oh this is priceless, Joe doesn't care what people say about him but it upsets his kids.

Maybe that’s why you shouldn’t get your kids jobs working in social media and PR at your own place of work.

It is weird he thinks his other kids worship him enough to regularly track his Twitter mentions or IG comments. Lies age you, Joe.

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47 minutes ago, jalady said:

Miss KYV is, as usual, the potted plant in the corner.    

This phrase is an exquisite thing of beauty.  That is exactly what Meek-a is on this clown show.

Yesterday Mr. Rain asked me why I bother watching MJ since all I do is bitch about it.  I answered, "Have you never heard the term "hate-watch?!"

Speaking of Mr. Rain, he passed through the room, glanced at the TV and said, "They're both actually there today?"   Even he noticed that, and he doesn't even watch this show. 

I was disappointed in Susan Del Percio today.

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2 hours ago, millennium said:

I think Dr. Ford should have also requested a bowl of only green M&M's, just to fuck with them.

LOL! 

 

28 minutes ago, Ladyrain said:

was disappointed in Susan Del Percio today.

Me too.!!

 

28 minutes ago, Ladyrain said:

Have you never heard the term "hate-watch?!"

How does he think the Twilight movies made so much money?? Or 50 Shades of Gray?? 

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teddysmom

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This is a comment from the Jezebel site 

The idiots on Morning Joe are already defending Republicans on this, claiming that they’ve extended themselves out to hear her in “good faith.”

Predictably, Mika “Women: Know Your Value” Brzezinski said something about how Dr. Ford shouldn’t expect people to “do her job for her” (referring to her request for an FBI investigation), and that she should testify on Monday if she’s serious about this.

So if I am attacked, I shouldn't expect the police to "do my job for me", and it's up to me to find the person who did it? 

Thank God in Heaven I didn't hear her say this, I'd be at Best Buy looking for a new tv because I'm sure that coffee mug would have broken the screen. 

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Ok, so today's show/week finally ground me down to the point that I gave myself a blinding headache.  I closed my eyes for a bit and when I woke up, the delightful Stephanie Ruhle was practically taking the set apart and then they flashed this morning's tweetstorm on the screen.

I guess Joe was right, it really will be ok.

And note to Stephanie, you may want to take out an order of protection on me because if I ever met you in person it would take hours to pry me off of you I would hug you so hard . . . :)

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2 hours ago, WhineandCheez said:

8:15 AM from the Old Socially-Deaf Chummy White Men File--that Rep from S. Carolina saying RBG was groped by Abe Lincoln.  Jesus Lord!  Will things ever change?  I guess one day they will all die off so let's wait patiently.

 

All of this Supreme Court Kabuki Theater rolls down to one thing which I just cannot get over --Obama was legally in his rights to nominate a Supreme Court justice and have him vetted and voted on. How the hell could that just have been accepted and the Right now gets away with this shit? It was Obmamas legal right to have a nominee.  I am just stuck there.

Right?!  The automatic response to anyone wearing sackcloth, pouring ashes over his/her head and lamenting about Judge KavaHellNaw should be two words:  "Merrick" and "Garland."

What really got me going this morning was listening to this Republican public relations person (can't remember his name) repeatedly refer to Dr. Ford by her first name while discussing the optics of white "middle-aged" men cross-examining her.  The first time he did, I thought it was just a slip, but then he kept doing it.  It's as if the mysogyny is so deeply embedded in their DNA that they don't realize how inappropriate they are--or more than likely, simply don't care.  Not that I don't respect my elders, but when did it become fashionable to refer to octogenarians like Senators Hatch and Grassley as "middle-aged?"  Excuse me, but those motherfuckers are OLD!  I won't even touch on how Hatch's woman-hating shtick hasn't changed in 27 years.  As recently as a few months ago, he was attacking the character of Rob Porter's former wives because they dared to disclose to the FBI that Porter physically abused them.

I also loved hearing Joe and Panel discuss how this will backfire on the Democrats(?!) and how Dr. Ford is "making demands."  This, in the backdrop of the ads that are already running (including during this clusterfuck of a show) that explicitly refer to Drumpf as a sexual assaulter, who endorsed a sexual predator (Roy "I likes 'em young" Moore) and who now had this problematic SCOTUS pick who was accused of rape.  I also love how Joe manages to find young Democratic candidates who seemingly validate his narrative that the party needs "new leadership," i.e. code for Nancy Pelosi needs to sit down and get out of the way.  For all his blather about having left the GOP, the GOP mindset clearly hasn't left Joe.

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teddysmom

teddysmom

I don't disagree that the Dems need to get some younger faces to help be the face of the party in Congress and on the national scene, to inspire young people to stay involved.  

Pelosi is just the punching bag the Rs resort to,  she's the "Left Coast Liberal", like Obama was a Socialist Muslim. It's bullshit, but it riles up the base.

Whatever happens to Pelosi if they take back the house is up to the members. The media needs to STFU about it becos all they do is keep the narrative going, which is exactly what Joe wants. He is still a Republican, just like Steve Schmidt, who admitted to knowing that Whelan character and said "this is not the guy I knew". Oh shut up.  These guys don't change, they just try to distance themselves from losers.  If Kasich or someone like that ran, they'd be a Republican so fast it would make your head spin. 

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cased

6 hours ago, stormy said:

I actually don't want to see Rick Tyler, Susan Del Percio or Elise Jordan on MSNBC anymore.

This morning Tyler and Del Percio are wringing their hands and lamenting about the things they whole heartedly supported. That is working for Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, etc.

On a related note - a little while ago, Noah Rothman tweeted that he is now an MSNBC and NBC contributor (I didn't realize that he wasn't until now). So, it looks like he may start appearing even more on MJ and other MSNBC shows.

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millennium

millennium

15 hours ago, Kemper said:

I have to wonder if the move to Florida could signal that Joe is going to run for office.   Also...the show doesn't seem to be leaning as forward as it has been.  It never actually leaned forward but kind of went there a little when they started bashing Trump 24/7.  Just me?

It's leaning back, playing it safe.   Scarborough is rebranding again.   Like he sees a day when Trump is gone and he can ride a white horse into the smoking ruin that is the Republican party, holding aloft a shining sword called "Conservatism."   But I think all folks will see is a carpetbagger.

18 hours ago, MulletorHater said:

and who now had this problematic SCOTUS pick who was accused of rape.  

whenever i see the acronym SCOTUS i think of the word scrotum.   just saying.

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Clare

Clare

On ‎2018‎-‎09‎-‎21 at 8:30 AM, Eliot said:

Bill fucking Kristol?

 No Kidding!!! Why is he on MSNBC,  his smug face is one of the reasons I don't watch CNN.  I know he doesn't work for any network but he's mostly on CNN and I can't stand him.  Loved that they were yelling at him that he didn't get to control the conversation.  He's such an ass.

I really wish people would stop saying this is a "she said, he said" situation.  It's not,  there was another person in the room,  there are friends from high school who have indicated they have knowledge of the incident and we have a therapist who also has knowledge of the incident.  It's a crime to lie to the FBI and I'm pretty sure a good investigator would be able to figure this out if these people are telling the truth.  When Susan Del Percio is saying there is no way to know... there actually would be if the FBI went and asked some questions.  People get convicted of old crimes all the time.  When Donnie Deutsch is the only one making any sense I have to turn the TV off.

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millennium

millennium

On 9/21/2018 at 2:51 PM, Kemper said:

I have to wonder if the move to Florida could signal that Joe is going to run for office.   Also...the show doesn't seem to be leaning as forward as it has been.  It never actually leaned forward but kind of went there a little when they started bashing Trump 24/7.  Just me?

It just occurred to me that Scarborough hasn't done a red-faced teleprompter rant in awhile.   Maybe he's just on different meds.

Anyway, buckle up, kids.  This should be a good one. 

For history buffs out there, 229 years ago today, Congress passed the Judiciary Act of 1789.  Signed the same day by President George Washington, it established the Supreme Court of the United States as a tribunal made up of six justices who were to serve on the court until death or retirement. That day, President Washington nominated John Jay to preside as chief justice, and John Rutledge, William Cushing, John Blair, Robert Harrison, and James Wilson to be associate justices. On September 26, all six appointments were confirmed by the U.S. Senate.

As far as I know, not one of them stood accused of attempted rape.

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Ladyrain

Ladyrain

On 9/22/2018 at 6:26 AM, millennium said:

whenever i see the acronym SCOTUS i think of the word scrotum.   just saying.

Glad to know I'm not the only one.  Hee.  ?

It's especially apt this morning, as Meek-a was given the task of delivering the latest news about a second accuser; in college BK exposed himself to her, thrust his penis in her face and made her touch it.  I don't make light of this at all, but you have to envision Meeks reading that off the teleprompter.

Good gawd, what a sh*t-storm this has devolved into.   And by that, I mean the nomination and MJ.

Eliot

Eliot

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OMG, I love Ratner who is helpfully pointing out the difference between the vetting process for a job promotion and a criminal investigation, and the matter of Kavanaugh’s character.

Of course punchable Noah Rothman takes issue.

Now Joe is cross-examining the brilliant Jane Mayer, trying to use the New York Times’s take on the new allegation to undercut her. It’s interesting the way he twists simple words to suit his agenda. For example, the Times says there are “no firsthand accounts” of the incident, which Mayer and Farrow never claimed. But they did speak with  a man who corroborated her account and said it was known around Yale at the time.  Yet Joe says, “There are no corroborating witnessses.” Not true.

He also talked about this woman “coming forward,” when, in fact, Mayer and Farrow found her.

So many little details he seems to get wrong deliberately to suit his own agenda and narrative. He did the same thing during the 2016 election when he mischaracterized what Hillary said about her emails (she had said that the practice was “allowed”at the time - as evidenced by the fact that other SOS had done the same thing. But Joe twisted it to say that she had claimed she “had permission,” which she never said and he used to make her seem like she was lying.)

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Because so many outrages today I can’t keep up.
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millennium

millennium

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I am amused by the attempt to discredit Ramirez by saying the other people reportedly in the room when the alleged incident happened have no recollection of it.  Gee, ye Olde Country Lawyer, you think it might have anything to do with the fact that if they admit it happened, it makes them complicit?  

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stormy

stormy

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So Joe watched the CNN focus group this weekend. I watched it too. CNN is notorious for the ridiculous group of voters they manage to assemble.

This one was particularly offensive to me.

The five women were Republicans and of those only one was white. They crazy things they said,  "what teenage boy hasn't done these things" and "maybe it was just a touch" even had moderator Randy Kaye dumbfounded.

But thanks to Joe, I find out these women are Republican operatives and some have run for office.

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millennium

millennium

Why isn't Noah Rothman on Fox?   He's the perfect little turd for it.

37 minutes ago, stormy said:

So Joe watched the CNN focus group this weekend. I watched it too. CNN is notorious for the ridiculous group of voters they manage to assemble.

This one was particularly offensive to me.

The five women were Republicans and of those only one was white. They crazy things they said,  "what teenage boy hasn't done these things" and "maybe it was just a touch" even had moderator Randy Kaye dumbfounded.

But thanks to Joe, I find out these women are Republican operatives and some have run for office.

Alison Camerota did the same thing with her focus groups.   She'd have one outspoken woman gushing over Trump, then you'd find out from news reports that the woman was a former Republican party official somewhere in Maine or New Hampshire.   Their "trump voter panels" are the sole reason I switched from New Day to MJ.  

40 minutes ago, stormy said:

The five women were Republicans and of those only one was white. They crazy things they said,  "what teenage boy hasn't done these things" and "maybe it was just a touch" even had moderator Randy Kaye dumbfounded.

The same kind of women who went to 2016 campaign rallies wearing t-shirts that said "Trump can grab my pussy."

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XOQueens

XOQueens

I’m not watching because I’m still on my boycott their ratings bus, but I saw a clip someone recorded with their phone and put on Twitter. Lol, bootleg Morning Joe. Anyway, it’s insane how unprepared they were this morning for the Jane Mayer interview, and it was very clear Joe and Mika hadn’t even bothered reading all the reporting. 

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novhappy

novhappy

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So true about the Jane Mayer interview. They had no idea what was going to be said.Kasie asks a question about something in the article that states there was more sexual assualting going on at the prep school but Mika cuts it off ok let’s go to commercial. 

They seemed particularly unprepared and unable to sustain a convo this morning. 

Ratner showd his charts. Very simple basic charts. Barnicle “ you know I can’t understand a thing about numbers but...”. 

Hey Batnicle if you are that stupid how bout you STFU?

Who does this show target for an audience? Beltway insiders (speaking Truth to Power), average Americans (I can’t understand numbers but lemme mansplain the line graph.), Florida voters (just a country lawyer), Women who want to feel empowered (know your value ladies buy my book)????

like pick a lane people and drive in it. This show is a disgrace.  

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teddysmom

teddysmom

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Anyone with a brain would understand that someone would want to think about, and make sure of their memory, before coming forward and accusing someone of something. 

Wasn't Mika almost raped or attacked when she was a teenager? She was horseback riding or something and some guy came up on her?   Why is she jumping on the  of "no way to prove this" bandwagon. 

I am disgusted with Kasie Hunt. She might as well take out an ad "I support Brett".    She's not being objective she's telegraphing that she doesn't really believe the allegations. 

I love Mika thanking people for coming on. Be nice if she and Doucheborough could "come on" the show. 

That cackle of hers when Joe was asking Andrea about Trump chairing a Security Council meeting.  Jesus. 

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scrb

scrb

2 hours ago, stormy said:

I also saw Meacham on Katie's show last night with his oil painting reference.

It made me want to ask Flake and Corker, how could confirming Kavanaugh possibly make a difference to you? 

I hear elsewhere that Flake would be angling for a job after he leaves the Senate, such as at a conservative think tank.

Corker is suppose to be independently rich, as many in the Senate are.

 

But all they know is other conservatives, so they can’t turn their backs on all the people who helped them get to office.  Other Trump critics all seem to be backing Kavanaugh no matter how terrible a human being they turn out to be.   Not too different from those Senators who voted to confirm Clarence Thomas back in the day.

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