S06.E06: Hamptons, 90210

[Vicky8675309]

So Yo is being hyperbolic when she says she has Lyme Disease? I still can't figure out how she was diagnosed, not that I believe a hyperbolic (LIE) word that comes out of her mouth.

[Lura]

Ahhh, now I'm up to speed, or at least part way.  Sounds like Erin has a lot of drive and determination.

Edited January 12, 2016 by Lura

[Umbelina]

So Yo is being hyperbolic when she says she has Lyme Disease? I still can't figure out how she was diagnosed, not that I believe a hyperbolic (LIE) word that comes out of her mouth.

She is when she describes her symptoms.  I do believe she has Lyme.  I remember when she posted her brain scan results somewhere a few years ago, just can't remember where, but it was a legit USA hospital/MRI. 

 

Do I think the silicone, menopause, possible depression over both the dissolution of her marriage, aging problems,  and not feeling well in general because of her mad hopping from one "cure" to another are a huge part of her problems?  Yes. 

 

Lyme is one of those tricky diseases, since much depends on the tick, and how long it was attached, and probably one's own body chemistry/condition as well.  Sadly, I don't think Yo will get better doing what she's doing, WAY too many "cures" going on, essential oil nonsense, too many supplements.  I see people trying to cure cancers with these scams too.  She's certainly not alone in that.  At least she has two of the best Lyme doctors around with her now, if she would only LISTEN to them, and not expect some immediate cure, or even a  full cure. 

 

Part of one of her blogs a few weeks ago:

http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills/season-6/blogs/yolanda-m-foster/yolanda-foster-i-dont-blame

 

After years of aimlessly searching for the right care and a cure, my case is finally in the capable hands of who I believe to be the two greatest Lyme literate doctors in the world: Dr. Richard Horowitz and Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt.

I feel very blessed to have their guidance and clarity in my corner. Too many chronically ill people are misunderstood by others, including family, friends, and their community. My clinical diagnosis are black and white, if sharing them will shed light on this epidemic and educate the world, I will gladly do so.

Facts regarding my personal case:

•             Lyme is a clinical diagnosis and multiple labs and physicians worldwide have confirmed my personal diagnosis. It is not just based on symptoms, but rather on tick exposure, positive Lyme specific bands on a Western blot as well as having a positive DNA tests (PCR, polymerase chain reaction) proving exposure to Lyme disease.

•             I also tested positive for multiple co-infections, including Babesiosis (a malarial-like parasite) with three positive tests: this included positive Babesia titers, PCRs (DNA tests) and FISH testing (RNA testing) as well as having positive tests for other tick-borne infections including Bartonella and Q-fever. Those individuals with Lyme and associated co-infections have been shown to be sicker than those just suffering with Lyme disease. Other positive infectious disease testing included an old Epstein Barr virus infection and intestinal parasites.

•             Overlapping factors interfering with my healing included a history of heavy metal exposure and silicone toxicity from previous ruptured implants.

•             Brain scans show significant inflammation in the frontal lobe of my brain affecting my cognitive function.

 

Edited January 9, 2016 by Umbelina

[Rainny]

So Yo is being hyperbolic when she says she has Lyme Disease? I still can't figure out how she was diagnosed, not that I believe a hyperbolic (LIE) word that comes out of her mouth.

 

No, the point was made that she's hyperbolic, that she over exaggerates her symptoms. Like she has no brain function, or that she can't read. I think she does get confused easily due to her illness and she may not be able to focus enough to read sometimes or understand what she's reading maybe, but obviously she does have brain function. 

 

I think that was what was meant by that. 

She is when she describes her symptoms.  I do believe she has Lyme.  I remember when she posted her brain scan results somewhere a few years ago, just can't remember where, but it was a legit USA hospital/MRI. 

 

Do I think the silicone, menopause, possible depression over both the dissolution of her marriage, aging problems,  and not feeling well in general because of her mad hoping from one "cure" to another are a huge part of her problems?  Yes. 

 

Lyme is one of those tricky diseases, since much depends on the tick, and how long it was attached, and probably one's own body chemistry/condition as well.  Sadly, I don't think Yo will get better doing what she's doing, WAY too many "cures" going on, essential oil nonsense, too many supplements.  I see people trying to cure cancers with these scams too.  She's certainly not alone in that.  At least she has two of the best Lyme doctors around with her now, if she would only LISTEN to them, and not expect some immediate cure, or even a  full cure. 

 

Part of one of her blogs a few weeks ago:

http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills/season-6/blogs/yolanda-m-foster/yolanda-foster-i-dont-blame

 

 

Sorry, just saw your post. I agree with you. 

[WireWrap]

So Yo is being hyperbolic when she says she has Lyme Disease? I still can't figure out how she was diagnosed, not that I believe a hyperbolic (LIE) word that comes out of her mouth.

She went to a controversial Dr in Belgium to get the LD diagnosis, Dr Meirleir in Belgium. She did an interview with a blog site, here is the link http://allthingsrh.com/exclusive-interview-rhobh-yolanda-foster/. He is also a questionable Dr....... http://www.ncf-net.org/forum/CallForResignation.htm

[Lisin]

Guys, watch your tone please. Some posts have gone poof. Try reading your post as if you're the person you're responding to before hitting sent. Some of these posts are getting a bit harsh. Agree to disagree and move on. 

[Umbelina]

Yo's brain:

https://www.facebook.com/YolandaHFoster/photos/a.272766192825059.47134.248751585226520/456143964487280/?type=1&theater This isn't the article I'm trying to find, but the color meanings are described here:  http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/addiction/brainimaging/

 

No idea what normal looks like.  Ha.  Now I feel like bugging my friend who is getting her PhD in neuro-science this year. 

Edited January 9, 2016 by Umbelina

[Almost 3000]

So Yo is being hyperbolic when she says she has Lyme Disease? I still can't figure out how she was diagnosed, not that I believe a hyperbolic (LIE) word that comes out of her mouth.

I've mentioned this before because I have a friend with Lyme among other things and I can't pin her down on the testing she's done nor the doctors she's seen. She does go to a holistic practitioner who has a bunch of letters behind her name. Its why I'm extra uncomfortable with Yo and in particular her soap box standing as a representative of chronic disease.

[RedHawk]

The boy discovered butter and has gone buck wild.

Living with dad he can eat all he wants other than almonds, lemons and the pills Yolanda shoves at him.

He also escapes Yolanda climbing into his bed for a wake-up snuggle when he probably wants to wake up and do something more private.

[zoeysmom]

YOURS TRULY, I agree with you 100%.

Kim is sick and I find it obscene to exploit her situation.

She DESERVES a check,IMO.

Kim spent three seasons telling us how well she is and how anyone dare question her sobriety.  There is no exploitation of her situation.  Getting drunk or taking pills is not a protected class.  She got her checks.  Time for an honest discussion on the issue without Kyle being subjected to it.

[zoeysmom]

Wasn't he involved in the case involving the pacific Gas lawsuit?

I think Erika mentioned something about Erin Brokovitch.

If so, He won a huge settlement.

Tom Girardi was part of a group of attorneys who represented the class.  The attorneys fees were just over $140 million payable to Girardi's firm and Ed Masry's firm.  There were no happy plaintiffs.  Most were disgusted with what trickled down to the real victims.

[LIMOM]

Kim spent three seasons telling us how well she is and how anyone dare question her sobriety.  There is no exploitation of her situation.  Getting drunk or taking pills is not a protected class.  She got her checks.  Time for an honest discussion on the issue without Kyle being subjected to it.

i hear you but it is really kicking a bitch when she is down.

I believe that addiction is a disease and in actuality, she is part of a protected class, ymmv.

[GreatKazu]

Wasn't he involved in the case involving the pacific Gas lawsuit?

I think Erika mentioned something about Erin Brokovitch.

If so, He won a huge settlement.

When you watch that film, Peter Coyote is playing the role of Erika's spouse. In the movie, he was the one who was brought in to assist with the case as he is an expert in torts.

 

Police Chief Beck and Tony Giradi, Erika's husband, have had many connections throughout the years. One of the most recent ones was the beating of the baseball fan at Dodger Stadium back in 2011. Tony represents the victim of that beating:

http://www.scpr.org/news/2011/05/26/26923/lapd-satisfied-lineup-giants-fan-attack/

 

They crossed paths over the years due to certain legal matters. 

 

 

 

Great Kazu, thank you for posting these links, especially the last one.  I always liked Dick Van Patten, but I didn't know what a genuinely kind (and interesting) man he appeared to be.

 

 You are welcome. I have always been a fan of him and his work. Such a lovely man he was. 

 

Dick Van Patten was the brains behind the Natural Balance Pet Food company. A product that earned him a lot of money after Del Monte bought out the company. Not that Mr. Van Patten didn't already have money, it just made him more money. Mr. Van Patten owned a Hollywood Hills home, a  Palm Springs home, and he and his wife had countless charities they donated to and helped to raise money for over the years. 

 

http://www.naturalbalanceinc.com/about-us/

 

Mr. Van Patten also hosted the annual Dick Van Patten Celebrity Charity Poker Tournament in the Coachella Valley. 

[LIMOM]

^^ great info. Thanks for the links too.

[GreatKazu]

^^ great info. Thanks for the links too.

Thank you. :-)

[Granimal]

Poker is different from craps or roulette. You don't play against the house, you play against the other players. Tournaments usually have a small entry fees, but cash games are where its at if you're an actual student of the game- IMO. I'll sit alone at my table of one, as usual. I think it's sweet that VP plays the game his recently deceased father taught him. For me, the jury is still out on whether or not he's the worst husband ever.

Edited January 9, 2016 by Granimal

[GreatKazu]

At least she has two of the best Lyme doctors around with her now, if she would only LISTEN to them, and not expect some immediate cure, or even a  full cure. 

 

 

I seem to remember someone here posting a few links about the one "specialist", Dr. Klinghardt, who Yo has finally found who is the leading specialist on LD. This was one of the links which they shared. It goes to a site called Quackwatch:

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/neural.html

 

This is another: 

 

Dr. Klinghardt now practices in the State of Washington and conducts seminars in which he advocates "detoxification," "neural therapy," and autonomic response testing (ART), a bogus diagnostic system in which arm-muscle or finger strength is used to assess organs throughout the body.

http://www.casewatch.org/board/med/klinghardt/order.shtml

Edited January 9, 2016 by GreatKazu

[GreatKazu]

Kyle didn't say any of that.  Or even imply it.  She's not a Yolanda who is claiming she hasn't read a book in 3 years or whatever her fake-ass timeline is.

 

Debilitating does not equate being bedridden 24/7. It means a condition that makes somebody weak and unwell. There are a plethora of people in this world - some on this forum, even - who suffer from illnesses that cause them to be weak or unwell on some days. Yet, still manage to care for their children, hold down a job, and well, watch reality tv and post on this forum.

 

And even if for some reason she couldn't drive or cook or bathe her kids for a 2-year period, Kyle is blessed to have an extremely hands-on, attentive husband and father to her children. I'm sure Mario stepped up and did more than his share when she was ill. 

Right. Yolanda said she spent seven months in bed and staring at the ceiling as she "literally fell off the planet." Yo may want to check the definition of "literally". Yolanda may also want to check out her timeline of what she did during those seven months. It is easy since she posted about it on her various social media pages. 

Edited January 9, 2016 by GreatKazu

[Vicky8675309]

She is when she describes her symptoms.  I do believe she has Lyme.  I remember when she posted her brain scan results somewhere a few years ago, just can't remember where, but it was a legit USA hospital/MRI. 

 

Do I think the silicone, menopause, possible depression over both the dissolution of her marriage, aging problems,  and not feeling well in general because of her mad hopping from one "cure" to another are a huge part of her problems?  Yes. 

 

Lyme is one of those tricky diseases, since much depends on the tick, and how long it was attached, and probably one's own body chemistry/condition as well.  Sadly, I don't think Yo will get better doing what she's doing, WAY too many "cures" going on, essential oil nonsense, too many supplements.  I see people trying to cure cancers with these scams too.  She's certainly not alone in that.  At least she has two of the best Lyme doctors around with her now, if she would only LISTEN to them, and not expect some immediate cure, or even a  full cure. 

 

Part of one of her blogs a few weeks ago:

http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills/season-6/blogs/yolanda-m-foster/yolanda-foster-i-dont-blame

 

 

 

I find the first bullet confusing since the second sentence seems to contradict the first sentence of the bullet. I would think that if someone lives in a lyme endemic region (or was in that region in a high likelihood setting--out in the woods) and had a rash, aches and facial palsy that I can see a clinical diagnoses especially if it is the typical rash found with lyme. Yo seems to have numerous symptoms but I haven't seen any photos of her signs of lyme. Hence the question about objective tests like western blot, etc. The are no MRIs pathognomonic for Lyme. She may or may not have Lyme imo. If first and second line treatment fails that I would rethink the diagnosis. Disclaimer: I did not do a fellowship in Infectious Disease and have never seen/examined Yo and have just formed personal opinions based on what I have seen on the show and read here on these threads. I do think everyone should be given the benefit of the doubt--believe they are experiencing their complaints however I question what others have told her (how did the doctor who first diagnosed her with lyme make the diagnosis and what did objective lyme testing show). Interesting that explant surgery for the silicone implants seems to have helped her the most from what I have read.

[Vicky8675309]

sorry, the bullets were in a quote in which you respond to me and did not show up in my reply quote. No, I do not have Lyme brain, lol….

give a depressed person a ROS (review of systems) list to tick the box of the symptoms they have….you could probably say they all have lyme disease in the differential diagnoses so the clinical context is more than just the patient reported symptoms.

Sorry, this should probably be in Yo's thread. Mod's please move it to the appropriate thread if needed. Thanks!

PS: syphilis is also a great mimicker and can lie dormant for a long time.

Edited January 10, 2016 by Vicky8675309

[Petunia13]

I just can't with this Yolanda Lyme disease shit. I'm just really tired of medical storyline on RH that take over and eat the whole show. We just finished the Brooks has cancer season of RH of OC where all we talked about and all the cast talked about was this guys health and he wasn't even a real fucking HW! And we spent forever on Kim and Brandi's addiction and mental issues.

I just am burn out in it all.

I also realized I just don't like Yolanda. I feel like she's a bit manipulative. She actually reminds me of a friend I had who also was chronically ill , open with it and always putting it out in the world. I felt very sorry for her. She was always going on about real friends do this and that and how people should act and her character like Yo also.

[DebbieM4]

I believe that Yolanda prefers Gigi because she was the first born, looks exactly like Yolanda' s mother and seems to me to have an easy going personality.

Bella is stunning IMO, she looks more like Mohamed.

 

 I think Bella is far more beautiful than Gigi.  And more interesting, too.

 

I read it differently that he was teasing her and she was teasing him right back about him blowing money on betting.  I didn't hear hard time, or an obvious gambling problem.  They seem comfortable with each other but there is a  little bit of the everything needs a comment between the two of them.  

 

I agree.  I didn't see that as an actual argument, and I didn't think he was out of line.  It seemed like teasing to me, and Eileen clearly wasn't really upset at all.  They bicker a little too much, but that's how some couples are.  I'm not bothered by it because we're only seeing tiny little snippets of them together.  Of course Bravo is going to show us what's "interesting", and I guess this is it.  Also, I far prefer this kind of thing to Adrienne & Paul, who bickered constantly and there was real discontent that clearly floated to the top.  Adrienne always acted as though she merely tolerated Paul, thought she was superior to him, and didn't really like him very much.  Paul always seemed as though he knew all that, and was like a little puppy trying to earn her affection.  That was never cute or normal to me, and I hated seeing it.  The vibe I get from Eileen and Vince is totally different.  Even when she "complains" about him, she almost always is smiling and joking.  I just don't see him as being all that awful, especially because she contributes to it also.

Edited January 9, 2016 by DebbieM4

[TattleTeeny]

You guys, I have to stay in a hotel tonight. I don't like buying cleaning products from brands that test on animals but I may have to make an exception and nab me a can of the old-fashioned chemical-scent Lysol and go on a spraying rampage.

[sasha206]

 I think Bella is far more beautiful than Gigi.  And more interesting, too.

 

 

I totally agree.  Of course, the nose job helped her, but I think she is an exotic beauty who actually looks much more like a model.  Gigi is a pretty girl, but she has the Selena Gomez thing going.  Her face looks 12 to me.  

[Lura]

At first, I thought LisaR had lost her mind, going around with her can of spray and wiping off everything in sight in her hotel room.  Then, when I watched all the places she sprayed, I got to thinking that she wasn't so crazy after all.  I'll bet if most of us could see the people who had stayed in our rooms before us, we'd be spraying like fury!  It never occurred to me to spray the telephone, but that's a good one.  I think we'll be packing one more thing next time we travel.

[zoeysmom]

Jezebel weighs in on the Yolanda Lyme Disease controversy.  Again it is difficult because of the different names assigned the malady.  http://jezebel.com/is-yolanda-fosters-lyme-disease-the-next-real-housewive-1751833543

[LIMOM]

I totally agree.  Of course, the nose job helped her, but I think she is an exotic beauty who actually looks much more like a model.  Gigi is a pretty girl, but she has the Selena Gomez thing going.  Her face looks 12 to me.

Gigi looks like a Russian doll. I love her look personally.

It is apples and oranges, Bella is absolutely gorgeous in her own right, IMO.

The Hadid made great looking children, IMO.

I always thought that Mohamed was a looker as well.

[JAYJAY1979]

Re watched the show...Erika is a hoot.

Eileen and her husband Vinny bicker just like my parents do..in fact, I witnessed my parents having a similar discussion about money growing up..and they're still together.

Based on kyles comment in her talking head about bringing up stuff lisa v would wish weren't discussed. I'm convinced water isn't all under the bridge between her and Lisa V. To me, it seems like kyle wants to control the narrative..but the thing is she can't bring something up and then get mad if people insist on talking about it non stop. Can't have it both ways. I'm also still under the impression that kyle did do what Camille accused her of doing in season 1..just that Camille misunderstood it..but kyle did am say something.

Bethanny...ugh..

And I do think the new housewife is coming in either episode 8 or 9.

[LIMOM]

Kyle sees herself as the queen bee, IMO

I have always believed Camille. And thought that Kim was courageous to take a stand against lying, for the benefit of her sister.

Of course, it ended up costing her quite a bit as I believe that Kyle went tit for tat.

U don't back me up and I am outing you.

This of course is pure speculation , of course.

[KFC]

At first, I thought LisaR had lost her mind, going around with her can of spray and wiping off everything in sight in her hotel room.  Then, when I watched all the places she sprayed, I got to thinking that she wasn't so crazy after all.  I'll bet if most of us could see the people who had stayed in our rooms before us, we'd be spraying like fury!  It never occurred to me to spray the telephone, but that's a good one.  I think we'll be packing one more thing next time we travel.

 

Right there with you, Lura. Plus when you're an actor/actress, you can't really "call in sick." And I'm sure Lisa R. probably has had to do a lot of travel (and travel already exposes a person to a ton of germs) for various productions, so I can't say I blame her for being such a germaphobe. 

[Lura]

Getting back to Yolanda for a moment (a subject of which I was sick and tired):  Based on the blogs I have read, I would say that Yolanda is sick -- if not with Lyme disease, then with something.  Be it mental or physical, it's there, and I think that there's cure or at least relief in store for her.

 

The first thing, though, that I would suggest (and I know little about medicine) is that Yolanda burn every bottle and vial and box of "medication" or send them to their death down the toilet. This includes her colonics. STOP NOW.

 

Secondly, fire every doctor, medical "practitioner," advisor, counselor, you-name-it.  She has heard most of the opinions, some conflicting, from around the world.  They have used her fear to magnify her fears.  They have taken her money, put her into every contraption of this space age, and nothing has helped on a permanent basis.  They have only served to give her something more to talk about and something more to worry about.  STOP NOW.

 

Cancel any more trips to foreign countries.  Banish Lyme disease from her thoughts and conversations, and tell her friends to do the same.  Pretend that no one ever heard of it.

 

Star anew with a highly recommended internist in Beverly Hills, and add a psychiatrist to her schedule.  Take a six-month break to allow her system to clear itself of all the medicines and junk from her body.  Then, make appointments with her chosen internist and chosen psychiatrist, tell them what doesn't feel well, and have them diagnose her.

 

Start over.  Begin again.  Keep it private.  Do the same with her "afflicted" children.  No honest or dishonest Lyme specialist.  If she can't read a book, get some books on Tape from the nearest Blind Center.  Volunteer to do some little things for a charity (not LD-related) where her help is so needed.  THINK ABOUT OTHERS unaffiliated with Lyme.  Get David to take her to some fun places outdoors, and NO TALK ABOUT LD!  Just fun and laughter.

 

By the New Year 2017, I think that Yolanda might feel a whole lot better and happier.

Edited January 9, 2016 by Lura

[sasha206]

Gigi looks like a Russian doll. I love her look personally.

It is apples and oranges, Bella is absolutely gorgeous in her own right, IMO.

The Hadid made great looking children, IMO.

I always thought that Mohamed was a looker as well.

 

Don't get me wrong -- I think Gigi is a beauty.  To me, Bella screams high fashion model to me more than Gigi.  Her look is even more exotic whereas I think Gigi looks a little more child like.

 

No question, they made beautiful kids.  I also suspect in his younger days Mohammed was beautiful.  I just wish he'd take off the wig!

[kokapetl]

I totally agree. Of course, the nose job helped her, but I think she is an exotic beauty who actually looks much more like a model. Gigi is a pretty girl, but she has the Selena Gomez thing going. Her face looks 12 to me.

I think Gigi has the more photogenic blend of Palestinian and Dutch

[sasha206]

No question she is gorgeous.  I just think Bella is smoldering whereas Gigi in most photos to me borders on "cute."

 

[LIMOM]

Gosh, those two won the genetic lottery.

[Kiss my mutt]

Genetics isn't the only thing. I know at least Gigi has had plastic surgery. But I wouldn't mind looking like her before either!

[ebkitty]

I think Bella is far more beautiful than Gigi. And more interesting, too.

I agree. I didn't see that as an actual argument, and I didn't think he was out of line. It seemed like teasing to me, and Eileen clearly wasn't really upset at all. They bicker a little too much, but that's how some couples are. I'm not bothered by it because we're only seeing tiny little snippets of them together. Of course Bravo is going to show us what's "interesting", and I guess this is it. Also, I far prefer this kind of thing to Adrienne & Paul, who bickered constantly and there was real discontent that clearly floated to the top. Adrienne always acted as though she merely tolerated Paul, thought she was superior to him, and didn't really like him very much. Paul always seemed as though he knew all that, and was like a little puppy trying to earn her affection. That was never cute or normal to me, and I hated seeing it. The vibe I get from Eileen and Vince is totally different. Even when she "complains" about him, she almost always is smiling and joking. I just don't see him as being all that awful, especially because she contributes to it also.

I agree, I enjoy Eileen and Vince together, they seem to have a lovely family. I loved last season when all the kids where on the show. I think it's great that they all love to gamble together as a family, Eileen does poker tournaments too.

I don't get all the Vince hate or that people think he has a gambling problem or doesn't have any money, or any of the other assumptions going around, its so strange, not seeing or getting that at all!

[EVS]

I think Bella is a stronger print model. I think her facial features photograph better. Gigi is a stronger runway model because she is taller. Personally, I think Bella is prettier, but their looks are so different that it is just a matter of personal preference or opinion. Both are very pretty.

[jkitty]

Genetics isn't the only thing. I know at least Gigi has had plastic surgery. But I wouldn't mind looking like her before either!

Bella has absolutely had a nose job and upper lip injections. She is gorgeous, and started from a great place, but has definitely had tweaks. http://beautyeditor.ca/2015/10/09/bella-hadid-before-and-after

[tulip555]

Well, Kyle has never exhibited very good manners. She has always impressed me as a bit of a hayseed in the social arena.

Sorry, I thought I had gotten the post this was in response to

Edited January 9, 2016 by tulip555

[RedHawk]

No question she is gorgeous.  I just think Bella is smoldering whereas Gigi in most photos to me borders on "cute."

 

Right now I think Gigi looks youthful and fresh and good on the runway. When she gets older her features are likely to get heavier and not look so good. 

 

I think Bella looks good and, yes, is a better print model than Gigi. As she ages into her late 20s I believe she will be stunning.

 

I hope both of them lay off the plastic surgery and botox until they hit at least 30. 

[tulip555]

i hear you but it is really kicking a bitch when she is down.

I believe that addiction is a disease and in actuality, she is part of a protected class, ymmv.

I don't believe addiction is a disease....I think Kim could kick it if she REALLY

wanted too....she just simply doesn't want to. She has been an alcoholic and drug addict for so long, she wouldn't know how to live her life sober. I have some experience with alcoholism as I have been a recovering alcoholic for many years....I have been sober for a good while, but I must be hypervigilent to the temptation. I just don't think Kim has enough emotional strength to fight her demons. Imo, she needs long-term treatment in a really tough treatment program. Quite frankly, I think we'll read about her death in the next few years. Her body has sustained a lot of damage by now, one would think..damage that could effect her heart and brain. Recovery is not easy.

Edited January 10, 2016 by tulip555

[LIMOM]

I don't believe addiction is a disease....I think Kim could kick it if she REALLY

wanted too....she just simply doesn't want to. She has been an alcoholic and drug addict for so long, she wouldn't know how to live her life sober. I have some experience with alcoholism as I have been a recovering alcoholic for many years....I have been sober for a good while, but I must be hypervigilent to the temptation. I just don't think Kim has enough emotional strength to fight her demons. Imo, she needs long-term treatment in a really tough treatment program. Quite frankly, I think we'll read about her death in the next few years. Her body has sustained a lot of damage by now, one would think..damage that could her heart and brain. Recovery is not easy.

Interresting.

I feel that she was so damaged by both her childhood and her substance abuse issues that she most likely suffer from depression as well.

To me, Kim is incredibly sad however I could be projecting, who knows?

[Umbelina]

I don't believe addiction is a disease....I think Kim could kick it if she REALLY

wanted too....she just simply doesn't want to. She has been an alcoholic and drug addict for so long, she wouldn't know how to live her life sober. I have some experience with alcoholism as I have been a recovering alcoholic for many years....I have been sober for a good while, but I must be hypervigilent to the temptation. I just don't think Kim has enough emotional strength to fight her demons. Imo, she needs long-term treatment in a really tough treatment program. Quite frankly, I think we'll read about her death in the next few years. Her body has sustained a lot of damage by now, one would think..damage that could her heart and brain. Recovery is not easy.

http://www.aafp.org/afp/2003/0401/p1529.html

 

The American Medical Association has recognized it as a disease since 1956.  It's covered by health insurance as well.  I don't feel like looking it all up, but obviously TPTB DO recognize it as a disease.

 

I do too.  One person can take or leave alcohol/drugs, but the other simply can not.  I've known many of both types, and have one friend who was a true addict that really did kick it, AA and DA really worked for him, but for most, it's a very tough haul. 

 

I sympathize with Kim, she annoys me, but I do not think her struggle is easy, or simply a matter of "will power."  I think she was hooked very young on booze (probably mommy, or mommy's stash) and her rigorous Hollywood schedule and surroundings exposed her to uppers and downers so she could work and then sleep.  I often think of Judy Garland when I think of Kim, not 1/3rd of the talent, but probably very similar Hollywood childhood work, and exposure and expectations.  Addictive personalities have a nightmarish life once they start on any of the drugs or booze, and the treatments are pretty shaky, though they work for some.  Her life is hell.

[LIMOM]

http://www.aafp.org/afp/2003/0401/p1529.html

The American Medical Association has recognized it as a disease since 1956. It's covered by health insurance as well. I don't feel like looking it all up, but obviously TPTB DO recognize it as a disease.

I do too. One person can take or leave alcohol/drugs, but the other simply can not. I've known many of both types, and have one friend who was a true addict that really did kick it, AA and DA really worked for him, but for most, it's a very tough haul.

I sympathize with Kim, she annoys me, but I do not think her struggle is easy, or simply a matter of "will power." I think she was hooked very young on booze (probably mommy, or mommy's stash) and her rigorous Hollywood schedule and surroundings exposed her to uppers and downers so she could work and then sleep. I often think of Judy Garland when I think of Kim, not 1/3rd of the talent, but probably very similar Hollywood childhood work, and exposure and expectations. Addictive personalities have a nightmarish life once they start on any of the drugs or booze, and the treatments are pretty shaky, though they work for some. Her life is hell.

Yes, and two out of four of Kathie's children have issues with addiction. Edited January 9, 2016 by LIMOM

[tulip555]

Interresting.

I feel that she was so damaged by both her childhood and her substance abuse issues that she most likely suffer from depression as well.

To me, Kim is incredibly sad however I could be projecting, who knows?

Oh yeah...most definitely depression....depression can be a very common reason for drinking.....I did and still do suffer from depression, and boy there are so many times I wish I could pick up a bottle and be "free" for a little while.....but I just might not stop. Kim is definitely a very sad woman, imo....I can see it in her eyes, and I used to feel so awful for her.....and I guess I still do.....but she could stop. When you say you "could be projecting" are you depessed? I certainly don't want to pry, but it is easier to empathize with someone also depressed.

Kim had a childhood that was not always in her control, but rather controlled by her mother and studios. I just don't think though she will ever get it together.....she has so very much to live for too, but continues on a path of destruction. She is definitely very ill.

http://www.aafp.org/afp/2003/0401/p1529.html

 

The American Medical Association has recognized it as a disease since 1956.  It's covered by health insurance as well.  I don't feel like looking it all up, but obviously TPTB DO recognize it as a disease.

 

I do too.  One person can take or leave alcohol/drugs, but the other simply can not.  I've known many of both types, and have one friend who was a true addict that really did kick it, AA and DA really worked for him, but for most, it's a very tough haul. 

 

I sympathize with Kim, she annoys me, but I do not think her struggle is easy, or simply a matter of "will power."  I think she was hooked very young on booze (probably mommy, or mommy's stash) and her rigorous Hollywood schedule and surroundings exposed her to uppers and downers so she could work and then sleep.  I often think of Judy Garland when I think of Kim, not 1/3rd of the talent, but probably very similar Hollywood childhood work, and exposure and expectations.  Addictive personalities have a nightmarish life once they start on any of the drugs or booze, and the treatments are pretty shaky, though they work for some.  Her life is hell.

[tulip555]

http://www.aafp.org/afp/2003/0401/p1529.html

 

The American Medical Association has recognized it as a disease since 1956.  It's covered by health insurance as well.  I don't feel like looking it all up, but obviously TPTB DO recognize it as a disease.

 

I do too.  One person can take or leave alcohol/drugs, but the other simply can not.  I've known many of both types, and have one friend who was a true addict that really did kick it, AA and DA really worked for him, but for most, it's a very tough haul. 

 

I sympathize with Kim, she annoys me, but I do not think her struggle is easy, or simply a matter of "will power."  I think she was hooked very young on booze (probably mommy, or mommy's stash) and her rigorous Hollywood schedule and surroundings exposed her to uppers and downers so she could work and then sleep.  I often think of Judy Garland when I think of Kim, not 1/3rd of the talent, but probably very similar Hollywood childhood work, and exposure and expectations.  Addictive personalities have a nightmarish life once they start on any of the drugs or booze, and the treatments are pretty shaky, though they work for some.  Her life is hell.

Well, who am I to disagree with the AMA, ha, ha, but the underlying causes need to be addressed before she can begin to heal . I can certainly agree that addicts have a nightmarish life

[WireWrap]

http://www.aafp.org/afp/2003/0401/p1529.html

 

The American Medical Association has recognized it as a disease since 1956.  It's covered by health insurance as well.  I don't feel like looking it all up, but obviously TPTB DO recognize it as a disease.

 

I do too.  One person can take or leave alcohol/drugs, but the other simply can not.  I've known many of both types, and have one friend who was a true addict that really did kick it, AA and DA really worked for him, but for most, it's a very tough haul. 

 

I sympathize with Kim, she annoys me, but I do not think her struggle is easy, or simply a matter of "will power."  I think she was hooked very young on booze (probably mommy, or mommy's stash) and her rigorous Hollywood schedule and surroundings exposed her to uppers and downers so she could work and then sleep.  I often think of Judy Garland when I think of Kim, not 1/3rd of the talent, but probably very similar Hollywood childhood work, and exposure and expectations.  Addictive personalities have a nightmarish life once they start on any of the drugs or booze, and the treatments are pretty shaky, though they work for some.  Her life is hell.

Yes, it is a recognized disease BUT like any disease, one has to seek treatment, what ever it is, to either cure or control the disease. IMO, Kim doesn't want to be sober, she prefers getting drunk and/or high to the reality of her life and the damage she has caused to those that love her. JMO

[Umbelina]

I think she's too far gone, it's been her life for much too long.  I think she'd love to be sober, not to have those cravings, but for whatever reason, chemical, brain, emotional, she just can't kick it.  Will power is an easy phrase, but for a sick person, and she is sick, easier said than done.

 

As I said before, I've known many addicts, most, as many times as they go through rehab or AA (etc) simply do not succeed.  Real life without drugs is too hard for them.

 

My family has a history (hits a few each generation) and because of that I'm extremely careful about booze/drugs.  I know that it could happen to me, I think I have the genetic predisposition, but also a very strong survival streak and "will power" helps, counting drinks and stopping at one or two, rather than simply enjoying it and having "fun" is one way I avoid it.  There but for the grace of God...

 

Kim was raised around booze and drugs, her mom was very often drunk, her big sister huge into drugs and booze, and hello Hollywood film crews.  I just think she got hooked without understanding how hard it would be to quit.  Mix that in with the whole "I used to be famous and rich" and the empty nest, and all the rest?  She just crumpled. 

 

I agree with you that I doubt she will ever really kick this.  She doesn't have what it takes. 

(we should take this to the Kim thread, ooops, sorry mods!)

Edited January 10, 2016 by Umbelina

[Rosebud1970]

I was thinking the same thing.  I don't know how much her singing gigs bring in or the royalties from her published music but she seems to have a pretty hefty overhead.  Trunks and trunks of custom made costumes, shoes and props.  A gaggle of sycophantic stylists, publicists and assistants.  Hair and makeup.  Makeup and hair.  Travel.  I feel like she has a very expensive, heavily subsidized hobby being Erika Jane.  Regarding the alleged eating of the chocolate cake, did.not.happen.  I kept my eye on that sucker from the minute it was delivered and if she ate more than one bite I'd be shocked.  It was still there when she had put her napkin on the table and was having a chat with LisaV about the party in the Hampton's.  That whole cake thing was a ploy to make her seem accessible but how many people do you know that order a big dessert at lunch?  How many women in Beverly Hills who wear tight white jeans and stilettos at home eat a slab of chocolate cake anytime but especially at lunch.  I rest my case.

Eight #1 singles on the dance charts? I don't think Erika Jayne needs much to subsidize her career.  She's probably making plenty of money not only to sustain her career and pay all of her staff, buy costumes, pay for studio time, but for walking around money, as well.