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[TobinAlbers]

On 10/8/2018 at 8:46 PM, CharlizeCat said:

hope today wasn't another chem test of Batie 3.0. It kind of looked like it -- once she realizes that her rushed marriage to Thorne was a huge mistake and Will starts wanting to spend more and more time with his dad.

Katie would be a fool to go back to Bill knowing he loves Brooke and Bill would be a dummy to settle for Katie again after how she spiraled big time due to her suspicions about Brill coming to fruition. Ain't nobody got time to live through that crap again. Despite the actor's chemistry, Batie work better as exes. He was a great starter husband for Katie and gave her a kid but ultimately he brings out Katie's worst insecurities and she simply isn't THE one for him. With Brooke his eye never wavered. 

Having said that, a Batie affair with Thorne cuckolded and Katie's halo tarnished would be a change of pace. Thorne's been known to put a cap in someone's head when they sleep with his wife so Bill would need to watch out he isn't plugged again. Having Thorne snap and unravel and finally face his guilt and loss over Aly would finally give him a story.

[nilyank]

10 hours ago, TobinAlbers said:

Katie would be a fool to go back to Bill knowing he loves Brooke and Bill would be a dummy to settle for Katie again after how she spiraled big time due to her suspicions about Brill coming to fruition. Ain't nobody got time to live through that crap again. Despite the actor's chemistry, Batie work better as exes. He was a great starter husband for Katie and gave her a kid but ultimately he brings out Katie's worst insecurities and she simply isn't THE one for him. With Brooke his eye never wavered. 

 

Except for Skye.

[RuntheTable]

 

And because of all that Ridge can shut the fuck up.

 It doesn't matter that Brooke didn't initiate the kiss, or that she didn't return it, or that she told Bill to stop it. 

But Ridge, it was "just a kiss", you know like what you had with Quinn. Oh, and like you had with Caroline. Maybe now you will understand how Rick felt losing his wife to his most hated enemy. 

I hate you Show, because I know where you are going with Wyatt and Steffy. Just can't let my Ginger be happy can ya? Fuckers.

Edited October 15, 2018 by RuntheTable

[domi]

21 minutes ago, RuntheTable said:

 

 

Et à cause de tout ça, Ridge peut la fermer.

 Peu importe que Brooke n'ait pas initié le baiser, ou qu'elle ne l'ait pas rendu, ou qu'elle ait dit à Bill de l'arrêter. 

Mais Ridge, c'était "juste un baiser", vous savez comme ce que vous avez eu avec Quinn. Oh, et comme toi avec Caroline. Vous comprendrez peut-être maintenant comment Rick s'est senti perdre sa femme face à son ennemi le plus détesté. 

Je te déteste Show, car je sais où vous allez avec Wyatt et Steffy. Je ne peux pas laisser mon gingembre heureux, n'est-ce pas? Fuckers

Between these two there is not only sex ... He has always protected, saved his life .. There is a great complicity, there is only to watch the episode of the elevator ... They go very well together ...I hope he will have a real relationship, and as Dona comes back, I believe that...

[nkotb]

I'm going to be honest, I've really only been back together with B&B for about 7 years. When I first came back, Ronnnnnn Mosssss was Ridge. I couldn't stand him. Then, he shockingly left, & later TK came on. I know this isn't popular, but I've always liked him, rasp, wrinkly clothes, & all. I really thought Ridge & Caroline II were great together, so that cemented my love for him. I also liked QuiRidge sneaking around together. The Katie pairing was kinda-WTF, but I don't think any actors could've sold that. The only partner I haven't found a lot of chemistry with is KKL, which is also odd, because she's pretty good at connecting with her co-stars. 

Having said all of that, as of today, I'm officially off of the Ridge-love-train. The way he was degrading Brooke, what a dickwad. I understand that Bill is his mortal enemy, & I understand that Brooke didn't have him arrested for kissing her, & I also understand that she didn't run right out & tell Ridge like his wannabe wife, Steffy, did. However, lest we forget that the reason Brooke feels bad for Bill traces right back to Ridge, bribing the judge to take away Will, & actually being instrumental in convincing Katie to take Bill to court in the first place. Lest we also forget that the last time Brooke & Ridge were on the other side of the pond, it was Ridge who was doing the kissing, with his stepmommy-dearest, the same stepmommy who owns the home that Brooke & Ridge were recently married in, for the 415th time. He was begging Brooke to forgive him, immediately, because it was a mistake, & she eventually did, although, after marrying Bill. I will say, though, TK totally showed up for his scenes today. 

If I was Brooke, he wouldn't even have finished that sentence before I walked out the door & left him looking at my amazingly beautiful, purple, sleeveless shirt. I also would have pointed out to him that he mentioned how Bill manipulated (my words) Steffy & ruined her life far more than he mentioned Bill kissing his wife. 

[hypnotoad]

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He said it himself, that when he lost Brooke, he lost everything and on the way to hitting rock bottom

Bill was still with Brooke when he started his Skye obsession. And didn't he burn down the Spectra building while he was still with Brooke? I think he started his downward spiral before losing her so I reject this nonsense the writers had him spewing.

I don't care if Bill kissed Brooke or if she kissed him back. What is the point? Because unless Bell is finally willing to let go of Bridge none of it means anything. I personally prefer TK's Ridge with Quinn because the actors have chemistry (he had it with the actress who played Caroline too). I mean TK and KKL have zero chemistry - they might have negative chemistry.

Why oh why did I have to lose Wyatt and Katie for Katie and Thorne? WHY? I like Wyatt and Sally too but I fear they are setting up Steffy and Wyatt again. Ugh to that.

Edited October 16, 2018 by hypnotoad

[Waldo13]

Ridge just STFU.  Your just a self righteous ass hole that blames Brooke to take his own guilt away.  Blame Brooke for everything you have done in the past.  Ridge is such a piece of shit, that his stink permeates through my TV.  

[OhioSongbird]

Can $Bill sit you-know-who down like Will and 'splain import/export trade?

Ridge can just go away......

What happened to Emma/Xander/Zoe?  Not that I want them back on my screen any time soon.....

[AngelKitty]

1 hour ago, OhioSongbird said:

What happened to Emma/Xander/Zoe?

Shhh, don't remind them.

[La di Diva]

Oh Steffy STFU. You only told Daddy Sludge about "The Kiss"  because you are so ticked off that Bill admitted that Brooke was his one and only and that you ...  Hauxdi ... were merely a stupid, lost his damn mind for a minute, highly regrettable interlude for Bill.

Oh and what's with the hinting to Wyatt that Brill is back on? Actually not just Brill, but a torrid illicit affair. 

Sludge get down off your high horse and take a stadium full of seats.  You were trying to sex up Quinn and slobber kissing all over her, behind Eric's, and Brooke's, back. You can just join your Haux daughter in the corner and STFU too.

[Gam2]

Ridge and Steffy, please accept your final dismissal notices from this show and from our good graces. Along with Zander, Zoe and Emma, your services are no longer needed or desired. Please clean out your lockers and leave by the back door. 

[RuntheTable]

Don't misunderstand; I am delighted at the prospect of a Bridge collapse. But not like this. All this does is leave the door open for Brooke to pine for Destiny. We will have to hear over and over again that Bill kissed Brooke, that she did not initiate or return it. Of course the common consensus will be Bill and Brooke had been engaged in a full blown affair. We will be forced to watch Brooke beg that dolt, or worse still, rebound to Bill. 

I wonder how hard it was for Eric to kiss his wife after learning she had been macking on his son? Maybe Ridge should ask his dad how he was able to get past his wife and his son having an emotional affair for months, an affair that involved a lot of face time? And Ridge accidentally seeing Quinn naked, and making not one iota of effort into caring, or being embarrassed. Nope; just stood there ogling Quinn like a damn goofy loon. Leering at her like he does his daughter. 

I don't know, I think what I am really pissed off about is how Ridge automatically assumes the worst. He saw nothing. I get that he is mad. Every spouse has the right to be mad as hell that his significant other was kissing someone else. But unless you had some really good reason not to, wouldn't you listen to and believe your spouse? And would you really end your marriage over it? 

Wait a minute...….isn't that exactly what Steffy did? She found out Liam kissed Sally, then she had sex with Bill, effectively ending her marriage. 

Is this what Ridge is seeing in his head? Is he confusing and blurring the lines of what his stank ass heaux daughter did, with what Brooke did? I think the secret meetings with Bill would piss me off far more than the kissing. Ridge knows how impulsive Bill is, just like he knows Brooke is telling him the truth, but there is too much at stake. He has to strike first and make Brooke look bad. And you just know he will lay it on thick, so when and if his involvement with the good judge ever comes out, it will have a lot less sting. He also knows Brooke well enough to know she won't use it against him, but she did tell Katie, and must pay for that too. It is all about Brooke staying in her lane. He has never liked it when his Logan starts swerving around on the road. It was all good as long as she was supporting his daughter and keeping his unlawful actions confidential; making her a criminal too. And why did he bring Steffy into it? Brooke had nothing to do with that. But this ass just cannot get his head around the fact that Steffy wanted it. Bill didn't break down the guest house door. So, clearly, Steffy opened the door to him. And she has told Ridge over and over that it was consensual. But he refuses to accept it, yet he automatically assumes the worst about Brooke. 

TK can't bring the chemistry and the romance with KKL, but he sure can bring the smug and the arrogant. That look on his face though? You would have thought he had just been sent some scandalous pic's of Bill and Brooke having hot sex. But Brooke was expected to insta forgive his kiss with Quinn. A kiss she witnessed with her own eyes. A kiss she saw was much more than just a kiss, as Ridge took Quinn in his arms. And all on your wedding eve. 

I am afraid Brooke has traveled too far down Stepford Lane, and will be heartbroken and desperate. And I am so very, very, very tired of it. Let her tell Ridge to fuck off. Let her tell him she was wrong for not telling him about visiting Bill. But the kissing was not her doing. Most importantly, let her tell him she was supporting Will, and what she felt was best for him. It may not be the most popular opinion, and it may be the entirely wrong opinion. But it was hers, and Brooke is entitled to that, just like everyone else. Unless you are Mrs. Ridge Forrester. 

Bill and Will are really cute together. That is one talented little boy. I am confused what they are doing with Bill and Katie. And I am not at all sure I like it. It makes me fearful of Brooke/Bill/Katie round 3. AND.I.CANT. 

[Anna Yolei]

On 10/13/2018 at 8:12 PM, TobinAlbers said:

Having said that, a Batie affair with Thorne cuckolded and Katie's halo tarnished would be a change of pace.

That halo was melted down a long ass time ago when she slept with Nick, lol

There's nothing I can add about Ridge and his hypocrisy and his descent into becoming B&B's Victor Newman that hasn't been said already. He sucks. Brooke "hid" the kiss for 2 hours, tops. He planned to seduce his stepmother for a job he thought he was entitled to. Does not compute.

27 minutes ago, RuntheTable said:

And would you really end your marriage over it? 

Mind you, the fact that Ridge ended their last marriage over a text about Brooke and Deacon's daughter is actual B&B canon. 

[La di Diva]

Fearless prediction:

Ridge and Thorne are going to gang up and beat the hell out of Bill, enough to put him in the hospital.  Ridge because Bill "put his hands all over [his] wife" and Thorne because he's angry Katie is giving Bill more time with Will.  Thorne is so obviously using Will to make up for losing Ally.  If Will isn't ripped from Bill and Stepdaddy Thorne can step in completely, Thorne will feel like he's losing Ally all over again.  

It would be interesting to see Throne melt down over having to share Will with his real father. A scene in which he conflates losing Will to losing Ally and rants and screams about losing his son ... uh daughter ... uh son to that monster Bill.  A scene in which, maybe, he admits he married Katie mostly to be a father again. 

[Joimiaroxeu]

Katie said she wasn't going to get in the way of Bill seeing Will but did she run that by Thorne and Ridge first? Seems like Bill needs their permission even more than her say-so.

Ridge persists in thinking the women in his life have no personal agency and are helpless to the power of Bill. What a loser.

If he dumps Brooke I guess Ridge will have to move back to his daddy's basement. Thorne's cot is vacant now so the timing is great.

[ByaNose]

TK looks so much better with short hair & less beard. He also looks less bloated, too. I thought Ridge did a great job reaming Brooke out. Granted, it was highly hypocritical given his past but he laid it out on the line for his hatred of Bill Spencer. He finally said all of the things this man has done and Brooke has got to stop making excuses for Bill. I’m interested to see how this plays out. Obviously, Bill will find out about Ridge & the judge but then what..... 

[TigerLynx]

Brooke is an idiot.  This is who Ridge is and has always been.  This is who Bill is and has always been.  She marries these guys, and then wants to get on her judgmental high horse.  Why?  Brooke is no better or any different than Ridge or Bill.  Brooke will do anything to get her destiny of the moment.  At one point, Skye was Bill's destiny.  Now beating Bill is Ridge's destiny.  If Brooke wants to change things, she needs to start with herself.

[domi]

Ridge did not kill anyone. Ridge has no private bill to never see his son again. Ridge is faithful since he's married. Yes, he's an arrogant macho, yes he's not a saint but always. If brooke is stupid enough to marry her again and again she must not cry! He deserves a woman who loves him enough to support him. My preference goes to Quinn who is wonderfully beautiful and understands him.There are others but even if I love TK he gets a little old to be with very young women
 

[ByTor]

12 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

If he dumps Brooke I guess Ridge will have to move back to his daddy's basement.

I wouldn't be surprised if he did move back to daddy's so he could start his affair with Quinn...I'll be shocked if TPTB don't go there.

[CountryGirl]

My face, watching the deepfriedfuckery that was the show yesterday:

I'll dispense with the Katie, Will, Bill scenes because while it is always cute to $ Bill interacting with his youngest son, I'm with @RuntheTable...the Batie anvils, I like them not.

I did like this little bit when Alison buzzed him during Will's visit:

Bill, practically snarling: "Alison, didn't I tell you that I don't want to be disturbed if Will comes by?" He sees Will watching him and insta-smiles, his voice all sugar sweetness: "Right. Thank you." He hangs up and beams at Will: "When you boss somebody around, it's important that you end with 'thank you.'" Hee!

I also didn't mind Katie telling him how it needs to be for Will from now on (in fact, I was nodding to all of this):

Katie: "I don't want him to feel like he's been forgotten. And the only legitimate excuse for canceling the day of is if you have malaria or someone died." Agreed.

Bill: "Malaria or -- or death."

Katie: "Yes."

Bill: "Got it. Those are the ground rules?"

Katie: "Yes." She sighs. "Just don't let him down. That's really all I ask." And I hardly think that's too much to ask. 

Bill, you finally have your shit together where Will is concerned. Keep it that way.

Now, for the rest of this crapfest...

Ridge and Brooke are still in the CEO office, having a Mexican standoff.

Ridge: "What is it gonna take?"

Brooke: "What is what gonna take? Just tell me what you want." No, Brooke, do not be a damn doormat.

Ridge: "What I want is for you to stop having secret meetings with Bill in my office."

Brooke counters: "You had secret meetings with a judge who took Bill's son away." Oh, Brooke, don't you know by now that it's do as I say, not as I do with Ridge?

Ridge shrugs off that little criminal detail: "Bill can see his son whenever he wants. He just has to run it past Katie." And Thorne.

Brooke is a little feisty here: "How would you like it if you had to ask my permission to see RJ?" Please, does he even remember who RJ is?

Ridge, smirky: "Well, that's a little different, isn't it? 'Cause we're married. I think we're married, right? Is that what we're doing still?"

 Is that what we're doing still??? What are you? Five?

Brooke sighs: "Why would you even ask something like that?"

Ridge: "'Cause I have no idea where I stand with you. I thought I was living my happily ever after with the woman of my dreams, and...now I find out you're meeting Bill here secretly. For what purpose?" 

Brooke: "Ridge, you knew I was against Katie going for sole custody."

Ridge: "Well, that's done. That case is closed. Why was Bill here today?" 

Brooke: "I suppose he just wanted to thank me. Nobody else at the hearing was speaking up for Bill except for Wyatt and me."

Ridge: "And there's a reason for that."

Brooke: "He didn't know he never had a chance."

Ridge: "You're exaggerating a little bit, I think."

Brooke: "If not for you, the judge never would have ruled against Bill." And she's right. Otherwise, Craig would have told Ridge so or Brooke when she confronted him in chambers.

Ridge: "Yeah, I know you convinced yourself of that. Is that what you told him?" He is scared shitless she told him. I wish she had. 

Brooke: "No, I didn't tell him." Proving her loyalty lies with Ridge, no matter how misguided. "But I really do think he has a right to know what you did."

Ridge: "What else? What else does Bill have a right to?" OMG! There are no words.

Brooke: "I just think he was happy that his son wanted to see him, and he wanted to tell somebody. So he came over here, to Forrester. It's not like he snuck in. I'm sure that Pam probably saw him."

Ridge: "I know Steffy did." Oh that little hypocritical heifer couldn't wait to spill the beans...or what she thought were the beans.

Brooke: "Oh. She didn't mention it to me."

Ridge: "Maybe she was waiting for you."

Brooke, tiring of the cat and mouse: "For what?"

Ridge: "To explain what you did."

Brooke: "Like what?"

Ridge: "Why you would be making out with Spencer in my office." There was no making out! It takes two for that and Brooke did not kiss him back!

Ridge: "So you deny kissing him?"

Brooke: does exactly that as she should: "Bill kissed me. And I put a stop to it. Bill made a mistake. He did it. I didn't kiss him back."

Ridge: "So... what did you do? Did you slap him? Did you call security?" I just...cannot.

Brooke: "I told him before never to do that again."

Ridge immediately catches the "before." "Wait, you -- you what? You told him before? "Before" -- as in this is not the first time this happened? Logan? This is not the first time?"

Brooke: "I ran into him at Il Giardino. I don't remember when."

Ridge: "So you guys were making out in public?"

Let's take a moment to pause here. Really, Ridge? Really?

Brooke: "No, Ridge. It was innocent. We were just talking. He was upset about Katie filing for sole custody, and he knew how I felt about it, too, and he asked me to talk to Katie. I said I would try."

Ridge: "And then you reported back to him in a -- in a private place?" You know where his mind is going here. Gross.

Brooke: "I went to his office."

Ridge: "Once? More than once?"

Brooke: "I don't know. It was a couple of times. I don't remember."

Ridge: "Do you happen to remember how many times you made out with him? Is that something you wrote down?" SHE NEVER MADE OUT WITH HIM, YOU IDIOT!

I won't disagree that I would be all kinds of ticked if my spouse was meeting up with his ex behind my back, but he is going way, way, way too far, and growing more angry by the second and WTAF to him flipping the script here. He BRIBED a JUDGE. He TAMPERED with a CASE. But here we go with him playing the same victim manipulation game he uses on pretty much every woman he's ever been with. 

Again, as a reminder:

Some victim.

Brooke, exasperated: "Ridge, will you stop, please? This is why I don't like to bring up Bill's name. Because this is how you get...and it scares me."  You should be scared, Brooke. You should be getting the hell out of there.

Ridge: "I get this way when someone is kissing my wife and she doesn't tell me about it."

Like all the times he kissed Quinn and met with her in secret and didn't tell Brooke about it and wouldn't have told her except for the fact that she caught the two of them on the beach and one glance at the practiced way he held Quinn and kissed her told Brooke this wasn't the first time (and remember - the guesthouse? - that came after Sydney...when he was supposedly so, so sorry and trying to win Brooke back, a "changed" man). 

Or going further back, after cheating on Brooke with Katie, and then turning around and cheating on Katie and destroying his younger brother's marriage by having handsex and kisses/groping in the clothing racks with Caroline II.

Brooke needs to think back to this moment and think long and hard about what in the world she is doing with the same man who broke her heart then.

Brooke: "I'm sorry. I should have told you. I just know that it makes you unhappy." So, she's owned it and apologized, which is all he deserves at this point. But he is far from satisfied even though he has ZERO legs to stand on here.

Ridge: "I don't think you have any idea how unhappy I am." 

Brooke: "I said I'm sorry. Can you just accept that and let us move on?" Of course he can't, not for kisses that were totally one-sided but he expected HER to do exactly that he was fucking around with Quinn. And eventually, just like always, she took the hypocritical sonofabitch back.

Ridge: "Well, what are you apologizing for? Seems to me you only regret getting caught." For the last fucking time, she wasn't doing ANYTHING. PERIOD. END OF SENTENCE.

Brooke: "If I hurt you or make you angry, I will always be sorry." Unlike him.

Ridge: "And you see nothing wrong having an alliance with the man who's hurt me, hurt my family, hurt you?"

Brooke: "No, this wasn't about you. Bill was terrified about losing his son." This was all about Will and unlike Ridge, Brooke actually loves and cares about Will. Ridge just saw him as a weapon to use against Bill.

Ridge: "And you see nothing wrong having a man who hates me putting his hands on you, putting his lips on you?" And he, apparently, saw nothing wrong with putting his hands and lips and who knows what else on his father's wife? His brother's wife?

Brooke: "It wasn't like that. He was just trying to find a way to express his gratitude."

Ridge: "Oh, okay. You know, sometimes -- it's old-fashioned, but maybe he should think about sending a greeting card! Gratitude for what? You betraying your sister?" She did not betray Katie. She was doing what she thought was right and leading with her own heart and mind. She knew Katie had been pressured into this from her now (add-water- and voila-instant) husband Thorne. She knew better than anyone what it meant to grow up without her father. She wanted better for Will, especially when he was still very young and Bill could and did become the father Will needs.

Brooke: "I never did that."

Ridge: "That's exactly what you did. You chose him over her." She chose WILL, you idiotic asshole. 

Brooke: "No. I went to her, and I talked to her. I told her how I felt and what I thought. And that came from me, not from Bill." She told Katie several times how she felt. So there was no betrayal. No blindside. Unlike Ridge and his emotionally blackmailing the judge.

Ridge: "So why don't you tell me about your passionate crusade to do right by everyone -- everyone except me." She DID try to tell him but what would have been the point, exactly, of attempting to explain that which wasn't ANY of Ridge's business in the first place?

Brooke: "Ridge, this didn't concern you." Damn skippy it didn't.

Ridge: "Didn't concern you"? Then why did it take so long? And why would you keep me in the dark?"

Brooke: "You pressured Judge McMullen, and you thought that was the right thing. Well, I thought I was doing the right thing, too." Only one of you is right here and it's not Ridge.

Ridge: "No. I knew I was doing the wrong thing. I was doing the wrong thing to get the right result."

Well, at least he finally admits it. And no, it was the absolutely wrong result.

Brooke scoffs: "Exposing yourself to criminal charges, and the judge, too. And possibly destroying his career." Pfftt is all Ridge cares about that.

Ridge: "Like your sister, I did what was right for her little boy. I don't think you realize how much I love you. That's the reason I didn't implicate you." Implicate her? What in fresh hell is he trying to say here? Implicate Brooke for what, exactly? But wow, I have to hand it to him, he continues to amaze how he can try and muddy the waters and turn the tables on everyone else but him.

Brooke is having none of this, hissing: "What if the judge decided to turn you in instead of cooperate? You think that would be a good way for me to find out?"

Ridge shrugs: "Calculated risk. I understand you're not happy with me. But if you don't tell anyone, we never have to talk about this ever again." Well, isn't that just convenient for you? The ends justify the means and always will for Ridge.

Brooke sighs: "Well, I didn't tell Bill." He looks so self-satisfied here. "But I felt that I needed to tell Katie."

Ridge's head snaps up at that and he approaches her, a dangerous glint in his eyes: "Excuse me?"

Brooke: "How could she make things right if she didn't know how things went so wrong? So I told her."

Ridge sighs: "Wow. And here I thought you were concerned about me being dragged off in handcuffs." She is, you dolt. If she wasn't, she would have bypassed Katie and gone straight to Bill.

Brooke: "Katie's not gonna tell anybody." And why would she? It would be admitting the only reason she got sole custody was because the deck was stacked against Bill. 

Ridge: "Katie's gonna tell her husband. And Thorne and I, we fight on a regular basis, and next time we do, I'm sure-" Oh, I thought you two were buddy-buddy now?

Brooke: "Thorne would never." Of course he would never. He wants to use Will to make up for Aly. He's taking this little gem to the grave.

Ridge: "Do you have any idea who's at the top of my list of people who would never?" He gestures at her.

Brooke: "Ridge, you may see it like that, but it's not the way you're thinking, honestly." What, she's supposed to say the hell with Will and side with Ridge simply because they're married? That's now how marriage works. That's not how any of this works. By Ridge's own twisted logic, he should have put additional funds for Hauxdi's tacky line aside in favor of HFTF, I mean, because shouldn't he always side with his wife first? But that's not what happens. No wonder Hauxdi is so damn hypocritical. She has two perfect rolemodels (Un-Remorseful Ridge and Teflon Taylor) who taught her well.

Ridge: "Bill tried to kill me. Can we at least agree on that?"

Brooke: "I don't think he intended to do that --" Any more than Ridge intended to kill Bill when he stole the SP helicopter, kidnapped Bill, and threatened to drop Bill over downtown LA? Hmm?

Ridge comes downright unhinged here and is in Brooke's face, screaming and shaking, clenching his fists, and it is very fucking scary.

Ridge: "DAMN IT!!!!!! DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW ANGRY YOU MAKE ME WHEN YOU DEFEND THAT ANIMAL!!!! 'HE DIDN'T INTEND TO?'" 

He actually raises a fist as if to strike her and you can see the fear in Brooke's eyes...

He actually puts his other hand on his fist as if to physically stop himself from striking her but I will never get that image out of my head. Nor his words.

Anytime a man blames you for losing his own shit aka "making" him angry...that's a clear sign to get the hell out of Dodge.

Ridge isn't finished: "Maybe he didn't intend to falsely accuse me of shooting him in the back, either. It should have been me." Very telling, the "it should have been me" and I can't forget that HE is the one who lied to Taylor about Bill raping her, knowing her history of mental instability, and using her as his weapon.  "And maybe...maybe he didn't intend on seducing my daughter and ruining her marriage." For the one millionth time,  SHE DID THAT ALL.ON.HER.OWN!!!!

Brooke dares to interrupt: "You're gonna have to debate that with Steffy."

Ridge, looking every angrier and scarier, snarling: "Maybe he didn't intend for us to stand here like this. He played you. Because he wanted you to be with him and to side with him and he knew that I wouldn't agree with that."

It's not about her being with Bill. It's about her being the only person in this whole custody debacle to step back and really think about what's best for Will. If Ridge had had it his way, he would have cut the "kid" in half if that's what it took to get one over on Bill. That's how little he cared about Will.

Brooke: "He doesn't have that power, Ridge." 

Ridge: "His hands on you. His lips on you. Same hands, same lips that canceled my daughter's future. He does have some power over you."

So much wrong in this statement but as always, it keeps circling back to the fact that Bill got to fuck Steffy because she wholeheartedly, enthusiastically welcomed it. And I'm guessing the mind movies are really getting to Ridge. Is it that Bill got to fuck her or he wishes he could? You know, honestly, I could wish for it to come out that Morgan switched the real Steffy all those years ago so that Ridge and Hauxdi could just be together and get off my screen. 

And speaking of power, what about all the times when Brooke was engaged to Bill and Ridge kept turning up (ruining not one, but two, weddings) and now that the shoe is on the other foot not even a little bit (because Bill couldn't care less about Ridge right now - he's grateful and he's got his head out of his ass), he's whining and throwing the biggest of hissy fits.

Brooke scoffs at this.

Ridge: "And I don't know why it is. I don't know why. I'm tired of fighting it. Hey, if you want to be with him instead of being married to me, you should do that. You're free to go."

You hear that, Brooke? Go! Get the hell out of there!

But of course, she doesn't. She resumes her Stepford/doormat motif of begging Ridge. 

Brooke: "What? Stop it, Ridge. Stop acting like that. Just give it a chance, okay? We can work through this. We can. I love you, and I know how much you love me. Let's just try, okay? Let's just try to get past this, and we'll make it work. It's not over. It's not. Just tell me that you believe the same thing."

All that's missing is her take up her position as a crying heap on the floor. 

That Brooke is fighting for her marriage to a serial cheater (he cheated on her with Katie and Quinn) has me shaking my head.

And when I remember, too, that she is fighting for her marriage to her rapist...I just want to vomit.

I want that GarBridge burned like the dumpster fire it is...once and for all.

Edited October 16, 2018 by CountryGirl

[ByTor]

1 hour ago, CountryGirl said:

Bill, you finally have your shit together where Will is concerned.

He always did, until the writers decided he didn't.  Then they could have the custody fight, the bribing of the judge, and ultimately *gasp* more triangles!  I have to face it, with this regime triangles will always be the ultimate goal.

1 hour ago, CountryGirl said:

Brooke is fighting for her marriage to a serial cheater (he cheated on her with Katie and Quinn) 

He not only cheats on, but cheats with, most recently the very married Caroline and Quinn.

[Joimiaroxeu]

After TK's performance yesterday I can't see Ridge and not think "Slater? Zach Slater?" They've pretty much turned Ridge into an AMC character. Why? Has B&B hired some old AMC writers? Has TK just gotten lazy?

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Ridge: "So you guys were making out in public?"

This m.f.-er. Wonder if Ridge ever took the SATs? If he did I bet he scored really bad on the analogies section. It's false equivalences and hyperbole all the way down for Ridge.

[ByTor]

Just now, Joimiaroxeu said:

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Ridge: "So you guys were making out in public?"

This m.f.-er. Wonder if Ridge ever took the SATs? If he did I bet he scored really bad on the analogies section. It's false equivalences and hyperbole all the way down for Ridge.

Oh yeah, this reminds me...making out?  Is Ridge in seventh grade?

[CountryGirl]

49 minutes ago, ByTor said:

Oh yeah, this reminds me...making out?  Is Ridge in seventh grade?

Is that a rhetorical question? ;-P

[Gam2]

Ummmmm? Ridge bribed the judge but Brooke is now apologizing to him and asking his forgiveness because Bill kissed her? This show makes me sick. And so does Brooke. Find a backbone, woman.

[TessHarding2]

On 10/12/2018 at 2:37 PM, A-Lo said:

Stuffy was wearing about ten pounds of hair on her head today!

 

Maybe Steffy will sing Ode To Billy Joe this week.

[TigerLynx]

6 hours ago, ByTor said:

Oh yeah, this reminds me...making out?  Is Ridge in seventh grade?

No, Ridge never made it past third grade.

4 hours ago, Gam2 said:

Ummmmm? Ridge bribed the judge but Brooke is now apologizing to him and asking his forgiveness because Bill kissed her? This show makes me sick. And so does Brooke. Find a backbone, woman.

Brooke has spent decades begging Ridge to be with her.  She has never had a backbone and never will.  50 years from now if they are both still alive, Brooke will still be Ridge's doormat.

[Gam2]

The thought of Ridge and Brooke fifty years from now terrifies me. In fact, they terrify me now the way they both behave. 

[Waldo13]

Stuffy is just a half step below Ridge's pomposity.  Stuffy had to tell Hope about Brooke and Bill. Of course she thought it was her place to do so. Ridge and Stuffy hold themselves to be self righteous but they have no integrity at all.  Brooke why are the one who is begging for forgiveness?  It should be Ridge who is begging for forgiveness.  Brooke is stuck in a catch 22 situation between two egomaniacs.  

Edited October 17, 2018 by Waldo13

[RedRockRosie]

Loved how Hauxdi immediately blamed Brooke for the kiss...like she couldn't believe that Bill moved on from his obsession with her- cause it's always all about Stuffy you know. Like telling her father wasn't more than enough she had to throw it at Hope just to stir up more shit against Brooke. Wow, whatta gal.

I had to FF all of Brooke's tears & begging Ridge to forgive her. If he did that to me I'd have brought up the most recent egregious incident of Ridge embracing & deeply kissing (w/the kiss being returned with the same amount of passion btw) his father's wife the night before his own wedding. Yeah, I'd definitely have thrown that in his smug self-righteous face.

This. show. Such awful writing....such awful characters.

Edited October 16, 2018 by RedRockRosie

[Joimiaroxeu]

Who are they writing this show for, 80-year old men? What women are watching Brooke debase herself to her abusive husband and feeling good about it?

[CharlizeCat]

I really could feel the lack of chemistry and passion between TK and KKL during yesterday and today's scenes. They were really just going through the motions. I felt that KKL's biggest achievement over both days was coaxing tears to flow out of both eyes for a change.

Watching Brooke plead and grovel to that monster turned my stomach. Ugh. Please just turn around and walk away from him. Forever. 

Loved how Hope automatically assumed that it was all about her. 

[Redcookie]

So are we all in agreement that the actress that plays Steffy is preggers? Steffy is so muted now....just odd writing to me.  She’s been in that green double breasted blazer for weeks it seems.

[TessHarding2]

^^ I haven't seen enough of Steffy but her stance appears a bit different.  Here come the huge, huge handbags. 

For those watching for a long time, hasn't much of Brooke been about pleasing and pleasuring her man? (or someone else's if necessary)

[Petunia13]

Ridge can shut the fuck up any time now. 

[domi]

Everyone knows she will not stay away from Bill. This poor girl when she is with one, he needs the other ... She does not even know how to support her husband whether Bill or Ridge. When we love someone we support him and do not go back to the one we left before for the same reasons ... I hate his lessons of morality when she sleeps with the father, the brothers, the husbands of his girls! "I'm your shining star" LOL ... And now she's done so much botox that her face is awful, it looks like a wax doll

 

[Cindylou]

The way Ridge was talking to Brooke, and the way she was begging him for forgiveness was a bit disturbing.  I can't stand the character of Ridge but the actor is ok, I guess.

 

but was anyone else getting an abusive vibe from Ridge and Brooke today?  or was it just me,?  I was very uncomfortable watching them!

[TigerLynx]

Brooke used to beg RM's Ridge all the time to have sex with her when he was married to Taylor, and Ridge would turn her down.  It was pathetic on Brooke's part.  I guess maybe TK gives off a different vibe.  I keep coming back to RM's Ridge, while a selfish jerk, had more warmth and charm than TK does.

[domi]

1 hour ago, TigerLynx said:

Brooke used to beg RM's Ridge all the time to have sex with her when he was married to Taylor, and Ridge would turn her down.  It was pathetic on Brooke's part.  I guess maybe TK gives off a different vibe.  I keep coming back to RM's Ridge, while a selfish jerk, had more warmth and charm than TK does.

the charm is different for everyone .. For me it's TK who is very sexy but with these hair a little longer and more beard like last year ... But I do not criticize RM, I understand that it pleases some women ...

[Joimiaroxeu]

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but was anyone else getting an abusive vibe from Ridge and Brooke today?  or was it just me,?  I was very uncomfortable watching them!

Yes! And it's interesting to me that on a couple of other soap forums the posters are pretty much saying it was no big deal, Ridge was "intimidating" but not abusive. I guess since he didn't hit or slap her or otherwise get physical it's all good? I think intimidation is often a key factor in verbal and emotional abuse and Ridge was deep into it yesterday with Brooke. But then at the end he tried to get all poetic and sappy and that made everything okay, especially after she tearfully begged for HIS forgiveness. Ugh, AFAIC it was Domestic Abuse 101. I hate when B&B plays these kinds of games.

[CountryGirl]

The only potential positive I saw yesterday was that Hauxdi's going to be super-pissed that GarBridge didn't immediately implode.

But that's not really a positive because, again, GarBridge did not implode.

@Cindylou and @Joimiaroxeu, as I noted in Monday's recap, I absolutely agree that there were abusive vibes there. He screamed in her face, with fists pumped and raised and had to physically restrain himself from doing who knows what with his left fist. 

Yesterday's episode was just as chilling, if not more so, as he continued to berate her and then oh-so-magnaminously "forgive" her and call her his "shining star." It reeked of a husband gifting his wife with a necklace or roses after beating the shit out of her. 

Brooke's reaction to beg and plead and take the blame when she did nothing wrong with regards to the kisses from Bill and came off every inch the domestic violence abuse victim (and never forget - as if we could - she was his rape victim). She looked truly afraid as she cried - out of BOTH eyes, no less - but it was more than the fear of losing him. It was the fear OF him.

[mightysparrow]

4 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Yes! And it's interesting to me that on a couple of other soap forums the posters are pretty much saying it was no big deal, Ridge was "intimidating" but not abusive. I guess since he didn't hit or slap her or otherwise get physical it's all good? I think intimidation is often a key factor in verbal and emotional abuse and Ridge was deep into it yesterday with Brooke. But then at the end he tried to get all poetic and sappy and that made everything okay, especially after she tearfully begged for HIS forgiveness. Ugh, AFAIC it was Domestic Abuse 101. I hate when B&B plays these kinds of games.

I've seen the same thing.  People admit that Ridge was abusive but think Brooke deserved it because she's a 'whore'.  It seems that for certain people, it's only abuse if the woman is 'nice'.  Fans of certain characters think Brooke deserves to be abused or assaulted because she 'stole' Ridge from Taylor or because she gave birth to Hope who 'stole' Liam from Steffy.  As much as I loathe Steffy (and I really REALLY loathe her), I would never think that she deserves to be abused.  I'll never forget how Steffy cowered when Liam was screaming at her after finding out she fucked his father.  I thought Liam's anger was completely justified but it made me sick to see a woman cower in fear while a man stood over her. 

I've often wondered what goes on inside Bell's head.  Ridge and $Bill appear to be his idea of what a REAL man is like.  Both of them are basically monster.  Back in the day, I liked Ridge because I liked Ronnnnnn Mosssssss.  Now that TK is playing the part, Ridge disgusts me.  Maybe it's because Zack disgusted me.  As for $Bill, the way he spoke about women, especially Brooke was appalling.  I never thought I would like him, so imagine my surprise when I saw a change after Bill fell in love with Brooke.  The second Brooke walked out on him, he was back to his old self, bullying and abusing any young woman that crossed his path.  I'm not really sure what Bell's up to right now.  Maybe he realized that even though Bill/Steffy have a very vocal fanbase, they're a disgusting couple.  It seems that poor KKL is having to work overtime, using her considerable charm and charisma to make TWO disgusting male characters bearable.  I hope she get paid a LOT of money.

[Valmarmar]

Hey, the woman Brooke was talking to at her table before Bill walked up was Emma's (Nia) real life mom (Holly).   Oh yes, she was a "Dance Mom" !!

[Waldo13]

What the hell does Pam have to be so condescending about. I'm sure Quinn knows what a kitchen is.  Quinn just chooses to let the housekeeper take care of things. Pam and Charlie = dumb and dumber.  
 
It's becoming more and more evident that Ridge loves sticking it to Bill more than he loves Brooke.  IMHO, he treats Brooke like a trophy of his manhood.  I also thinks he loves Stuffy more than Brooke and can't come to grips that Bill tasted Stuffy's goodies and he didn't. 

Of course Condor doesn't think Ridge did anything wrong.  They both are bottom feeders.  Ridge and Condor are such badasses and think they are going to ride ruff shot over Bill. I'm sure Bill will be shaking in his boots.   

[TigerLynx]

3 hours ago, mightysparrow said:

I've seen the same thing.  People admit that Ridge was abusive but think Brooke deserved it because she's a 'whore'.  It seems that for certain people, it's only abuse if the woman is 'nice'.  Fans of certain characters think Brooke deserves to be abused or assaulted because she 'stole' Ridge from Taylor or because she gave birth to Hope who 'stole' Liam from Steffy.  As much as I loathe Steffy (and I really REALLY loathe her), I would never think that she deserves to be abused.  I'll never forget how Steffy cowered when Liam was screaming at her after finding out she fucked his father.  I thought Liam's anger was completely justified but it made me sick to see a woman cower in fear while a man stood over her. 

I've often wondered what goes on inside Bell's head.  Ridge and $Bill appear to be his idea of what a REAL man is like.  Both of them are basically monster.  Back in the day, I liked Ridge because I liked Ronnnnnn Mosssssss.  Now that TK is playing the part, Ridge disgusts me.  Maybe it's because Zack disgusted me.  As for $Bill, the way he spoke about women, especially Brooke was appalling.  I never thought I would like him, so imagine my surprise when I saw a change after Bill fell in love with Brooke.  The second Brooke walked out on him, he was back to his old self, bullying and abusing any young woman that crossed his path.  I'm not really sure what Bell's up to right now.  Maybe he realized that even though Bill/Steffy have a very vocal fanbase, they're a disgusting couple.  It seems that poor KKL is having to work overtime, using her considerable charm and charisma to make TWO disgusting male characters bearable.  I hope she get paid a LOT of money.

Ridge and Bill maybe Brad Bell's idea of what real men are like, but the writing seems to indicate that Ridge is the good guy while Bill is the bad guy even though they are the same.  I prefer Bill because at least he is entertaining, and DD seems to know when to play up the camp (like in his conversations with Justin about Steffy).  Also, while both Taylor and Brooke have begged for Ridge's forgiveness, I've never seen Ridge have to do so.  Ridge is usually forgiven in about two seconds all while never admitting any wrong doing.

[CharlizeCat]

I don't understand why Thorne has such a hard-on for Bill. I don't remember any direct bad blood or confrontation between those two. I really enjoy the Bill/Will scenes. That little kid is a great actor (interns take note!) Don Diamont is great with kids, as he should be. I believe he has seven sons IRL.  I know he recently wrote a book about it and went on a big book tour. Unfortunately, I am not compelled to read it. 

I also felt that Ridge was being abusive to Brooke yesterday. That's typical abusive behavior to turn everything around and make the victim feel like it was all their fault and force them to plead and apologize. Brooke (and KKL) deserve so much better. I also always get nervous when Hope is alone in a small space with Ridge. RM's Ridge could get angry, but his anger was more cold hurt withdrawal. I never felt like the woman he was mad at was in any type of physical danger of receiving a right hook to the jaw. 

I think Pam is constantly snarky to Quinn because Pam just can't accept it that Stephanie is gone and Eric has moved on. That is touching and sweet for a while, but then it's time for a reality check and to move on yourself. What woman would want the portrait of her husband's deceased wife glowering down at her from above the fireplace? The proposal from Charlie was just stupid. I am glad that they didn't show him slipping the saliva-tainted ring onto Pam's figure. GROSS!

Anyway, changing courses ... I just read that JMW announced on "Entertainment Tonight," that she's nearly six months' pregnant.  So, we were right all along. My shock was how far along she is and how well it was concealed until just recently. Maybe she will enjoy motherhood so much that she'll decide to become a SAHM and Bell will have to re-cast. One can only hope. I do wish her a happy, healthy pregnancy and delivery and a delightfully healthy adorable baby.

Edited October 18, 2018 by CharlizeCat

[Joimiaroxeu]

Katie: I'm going to give Bill as much access to his son as he wants.
Thorne: But what about me? I'm supposed to be his new daddy! I'm telling Ridge and you're going to be in so much trouble!

Pam was kinda rude to Eric's wife. Bet she'll expect to have her wedding in Quinn's (and Eric's) house though.

Oy, Bill's obsession with Brooke is turning into a death wish. Will it be Ridge or Thorne who tries to kill him?

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Now that TK is playing the part, Ridge disgusts me.  Maybe it's because Zack disgusted me.

I liked Zach in Pine Valley with Kendall. I don't like him in LA with Brooke. AFAIC TK is just phoning it in now. Meh.

[TobinAlbers]

7 minutes ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Pam was kinda rude to Eric's wife. Bet she'll expect to have her wedding in Quinn's (and Eric's) house though.

Eh, at least someone isn't playing nice with Quinn. Eric's ring on her finger don't erase all the crap she's done - the latest having been swearing she loves Eric and only Eric and us reformed only to go suck face with Ridge not even six months into the marriage. For Pam who is protective of both Eric and her beloved nephew that'd keep Quinn on my side eye snark list. Forget Ridge is a horny adult who knows what he's doing and Eric a horny old lonely man, totally get Pam not appreciating Quinn being the catalyst for that mess. Eric got them all to give Quinn a chance and she blew it. And if she knew how Quinn had threatened to toss Aly over a rail? 

Hope, Katie, And Brooke dan gave their gazillion weddinds at the Forrester manse but Pam don't have her one there? Doesn't seem right. 

[TigerLynx]

52 minutes ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Thorne: But what about me? I'm supposed to be his new daddy! I'm telling Ridge and you're going to be in so much trouble!

And that is what this storyline has always been about - Ridge and Thorne.  It wasn't about what was best for Will, or what Katie thought was best for Will.

[CountryGirl]

Is it wrong that I wanted Charlie to choke on that ring?