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[Joimiaroxeu]

Okay, I'll bet one our clever posters here is responsible for this article  today in Salon: "My sick, shameful soap opera addiction". It's a tongue-in-cheek confessional about being addicted to watching soaps, in particular The Bold and the Beautiful.

 

I've only been watching B&B solidly for a few years so all that history the writer dishes about how many partners Brooke, Taylor, and Ridge have shared with their children and siblings--not to mention people from within the same family tree--pretty much left me feeling like I needed a hazmat shower. Good lawd, I guess the concept of "sloppy seconds" doesn't register at all with these people. (Lookin' at you, Wyatt...)

Edited September 6, 2014 by Joimiaroxeu

[Anna Yolei]

All soaps seem to have their share of family sharing exes, but on B&B, it's just so close together...always was, even going back to the show's very first ToD Ridge/Caroline/Thorne.

[godfreydaniels]

 

whatever it takes to get some more closeups of Thorsten Kaye's manly hands

Yes to this. His hands are VERY nice!!

[OhioSongbird]

For me his whole self is verrrrry nice.  He's mostly why I started watching B&B.  Loved him on AMC and Scott Clifton on OLTL (may these soaps return...please??.  I know...I also want a pink unicorn.) and I love SK (Deacon).  He was horribly mis/underused on GH.

 

When I started here I really liked it....still love the exteriors and production values.  Much better than GH (which is my other soap) but am now beginning to see the flaws.

 

Hope is useless as is Wyatt.  They deserve each other.  And she is totally her mother's daughter.

 

I do love BSC Quinn.  Her and Deacon conspiring is fun.

 

Love Aly and Ivy.  They make good friends.

 

After reading y'all's posts about all the past partner/marriage swaps over the years are we sure these folks aren't really displaced hillbillies?  And I can say that being from proud hillbilly stock.  Sounds like down home to me....;-)

 

Haven't seen enough of the other folks to have much of an opinion yet.  But I don't care for HT (Katie).  Never knew who she was but had heard of her lack of talent.  I see it.  TK deserves a better partner.  I'm all for him and Caroline hooking up.

[tricknasty]

How is shared custody going to work when Wyatt is allergic to cats?

[blackwing]

Why would Hope even want the cat?  Let's see, newly married, husband is allergic to cats.  Seems like a no brainer that you don't keep a cat in the house when your husband is allergic and doesn't want the cat around!  But the cat reminds her of ex, who tragically was late to their "destined" appointment, so she ran off and married her now-husband instead.  So what does she do?  Naturally, she wants the cat around to remind her of the ex.  And Wyatt is going to put up with it, because he "cares for her".

 

This is an insult to our intelligence.  Bradley must think we are all so stupid to 1) buy that "normal" people would think this is ok, and 2) want to continue watching the "wacky hijinks" of this insipid quadrangle.

[kia112]

Why is shared custody even an option when that cat is Hope's?  I know they adopted him together or whatever, but it's always been with Hope.  And it's not like this is the first time Wyatt has interacted with Hope since she got the cat.  He even made a collar for it, but now he's allergic all of the sudden?

[sugarbaker design]

This poor pussy would be better off back at the shelter.

[MulletorHater]

This poor pussy would be better off back at the shelter.

 

Which one?  The putty cat or Wyatt?

 

I suspect that what Wyatt is really allergic to is all the bullshit he chooses to put up with.  But, this is what happens when a guy is willing to accept someone on the rebound and knows deep down he is that person's second or third choice.

[Gudzilla]

 

 Which one?  The putty cat or Wyatt?

Ouch! Nice one.

 

She may be crazy but Quinn was absolutely right about Hope making Liam jump through hoops for her.

 

They should be careful with those boomerangs what with Darla floating around.

 

Thorne should take custody of the cat, that way it won't have to put up with these fools.

[Joimiaroxeu]

Hope and Liam and the cat is just an easy way for the writers to keep putting the star-crossed couple in scenes together. I'll bet the cat is going to go missing and Hope will insist that Liam help her find it. Hijinks will ensue as the madcap duo run around taping "Have you seen this cat?" posters all over Beverly Hills and Malibu. Hope will probably call one of her famous press conferences too.

Edited September 8, 2014 by Joimiaroxeu

[godfreydaniels]

 

Hope and Liam and the cat is just an easy way for the writers to keep putting the star-crossed couple in scenes together. I'll bet the cat is going to go missing and Hope will insist that Liam help her find it. Hijinks will ensue as the madcap duo run around taping "Have you seen this cat?" posters all over Beverly Hills and Malibu. Hope will probably call one of her famous press conferences too.

Wouldn't that be the cats meow??lol   But i kid you not,this whole Hope looking out for Liam as she is screwing Wyatt, is just absolutely hypocritical on the part of princess Hope!!!

[St3phForrester]

Did anyone else think Don Diamont looked especially enormous today, or was it just me? He looked a little puffed in the face, and the light coloured shirt did him no favours. Not that I'm complaining, I love a man with a bit of meat on his bones.

 

So. Many. Boomerangs! And plastic, too - I don't think I've ever seen a plastic boomerang before. They remind me of all the silly jokes, like "Bought a new boomerang, can't throw away my old one", "What do you call a boomerang that doesn't come back? A stick", etc.

 

Eric's in the promo for tomorrow's episode hip hip hooray! I bet he has no lines and looks stupid all day.

 

I have been waiting to see some scenes of [brooke & Ridge] working (or butting heads or falling back in love) together. Seems like something we would have been seeing, too. I wonder why they haven't actually shown any of this or even any repercussions or even had it mentioned in any conversations. It's like Brooke forgot where the FC building is. Too busy thinking about Deacon I guess. "WTF... maybe?" LOL.

The only things I can think of that stopped them from developing this story are TK's scheduling and the Dubai shoot, although there have been opportunities for Brooke to be present at FC Executive & Whoever Else is Nearby meetings since then and instead she's been "dealing with personal stuff" (i.e. faffing about with Bill), which even the characters have commented on in passing. This story had a lot of soapy promise and then it was dropped like a hot spud around the time Bill asked Brooke to marry him - we still had the confrontations, but they weren't at FC.

 

Here's another chance for Brooke to poke her nose into Ridge's business at FC while he's working with Caroline, but I guess they're just going with Maya on that one. Sigh.

 

Okay, I'll bet one our clever posters here is responsible for this article  today in Salon: "My sick, shameful soap opera addiction". It's a tongue-in-cheek confessional about being addicted to watching soaps, in particular The Bold and the Beautiful.

A few months ago I bought a copy of After Dark magazine from 1979 (with John McCook & Jamie Lyn Bauer on the cover), which had an article entitled "The Hot & The Bothered" that pretty much tells the same story as this new one from Salon, though it had more of a "sexualisation of soaps" angle. Seems like not much has changed 35 years later!

 

Enjoyed the barbeque, and thanks St3phForrester for answering some questions I was going to pose to you about the authenticity of the food.

You're very welcome, RuntheTable, happy to help! :)

 

I have to admit, my heart skipped a beat when Quinn walked into Bill's office all decked out in her black leathers; she looked like a lady ready to saddle up!

Oh God mine too!

 

I know I'm aging myself, but when I was a little girl, there was this PSA featuring a Native American man who walked the highways picking up litter.  At the end of the PSA, he had a single tear rolling down his face.  That's about where I am now.

You mean from The Simpsons, right? ;)

 

I finally (moved and started a new career) the episode where Ivy gave the Princess a verbal smack down. That was truly awesome! Team Ivy, yes! :-)

Best wishes for your new life LittleIggy! Hope everything goes to plan for you. :)

[tricknasty]

 

Did anyone else think Don Diamont looked especially enormous today, or was it just me? He looked a little puffed in the face, and the light coloured shirt did him no favours. 

I noticed. He must have missed a couple of months in the gym and was wearing his old wardrobe. But still in better shape than Ridgepen....

[Turtle]

There is no time in a 17 minute soap to show a developing relationship. It would take away from the endless montages since the writers are too lazy to write actual dialogue.​

 

 

Since I started watching this show a few months ago, the flashbacks have kept me laughing.  Every. Damn. Day.  And sometimes to things that happened yesterday!  It's awesome.  And ridiculous. 

 

I still can't understand why anyone would want to be with someone who ran off to immediately marry someone else just because I was 10 minutes late.  Like..I don't know.  I would just prefer to marry someone who didn't want to marry other people too.  

[tricknasty]

 

Since I started watching this show a few months ago, the flashbacks have kept me laughing.  Every. Damn. Day.  And sometimes to things that happened yesterday!  It's awesome.  And ridiculous. 

Welcome Turtle. I've been watching going on 3 years now...

 

I still can't understand why anyone would want to be with someone who ran off to immediately marry someone else just because I was 10 minutes late.  Like..I don't know.  I would just prefer to marry someone who didn't want to marry other people too.

Turtle I can do you one better...How about a male proposing marriage to a female he has never dated and she accepts? This fucking show....

[smartyshorts]

How would Hope know that Wyatt is or isn't allergic to cats?  Didn't he only tell Liam that?  And she really doesn't know either one of them well, only how they make her feel.  She was cracking me up with her little talk to Ivy the other day..."Liam feels things very deeply". Unlike other people who have no feelings, suffer no consequences and can't ever admit they are wrong, I guess. Beesh, how would you even KNOW?  Oh Hope, just lay down in the chicken feather lined bed that you made and shut up about everything and everyone else.  Has anyone even floated the idea that the problem isn't that Hope didn't wait an extra 5-7 minutes.  Its that her soul crushing disappointment resulted in her travelling to another country, and getting married THAT DAY to someone else. When even her family didn't know where she was or what she was doing.

Could Liam start smiling and stop Doping around already?  This I a SOAP, lets get some shirts off and get in the sheets already!

[ByTor]

I couldn't help but notice for two people who are so young, Hope & Wyatt are numbingly BORING! All they do is sit at home, sip wine, and kiss? Don't get me wrong, I enjoy snuggle time, but I also actually like to DO things.

[KerleyQ]

I still can't understand why anyone would want to be with someone who ran off to immediately marry someone else just because I was 10 minutes late.  Like..I don't know.  I would just prefer to marry someone who didn't want to marry other people too.

 

 

I think that's why she's his soulmate - because Liam would, essentially, have done the same damn thing in her shoes.  So it's not all that out there to him. 

[kia112]

That dreamy synthesized harp music that plays whenever Ridge lays his hand on Caroline's has got to go.  TK was channeling Victor Newman when he was talking about how he doesn't read online reviews.  It was kinda gross.

 

Maya was bold as hell today!  Like, dang girl.  It was a better bold than trying to ambush him in the steam room.  That seemed full out desparate; this one only had flashes of such.

[nasir jones]

The idea of Ridge and Caroline together in damn near any capacity is grotesque.

[smartyshorts]

Damn but Myrna is on some other shit these days.  I can't believe how she boldly sidled up to her ex, eyelashes a'batting and started asking about another dude.  Kind of the same ballsy bitch that Dope is for whining to her new husband of a week about how her sensitive ex fiance shouldn't be kissing other girls!  Ridge's possessive presumtive douchiness must be catching. 

Count me as another viewer shocked by Quinn's blatant admission of pushing Ivy into the river.  What's her motivation for doing that?  What's Bill's real motivation for keeping the secret?  Hasn't he been burned enough by half truths and omissions?  Is he just placating Quinn til she flies out the window on her Crazy Broom?

Why did Rick have a model waiting just outside the door in a Zero t-shirt?

[luvlee2003]

 

Why did Rick have a model waiting just outside the door in a Zero t-shirt?

 

Cause he's a hot mess! The thought of him setting up that moment with a model, quickly executing it, escorting her back out of the room, then continuing on with Eric like nothing happened. lol

 

He was on a roll today: "good! this will make it that much easier to send Ridge back to Paris!" had me cracking up too.

[ByTor]

Count me as another viewer shocked by Quinn's blatant admission of pushing Ivy into the river. What's her motivation for doing that? What's Bill's real motivation for keeping the secret?

Because $Bill knows that we, as viewers, can't wait for Liam's inevitable "You KNEW, and you didn't TELL ME????"

[grisgris]

Wow, Myrna has become very brazen.  Why does Carter even acknowledge her anyway?

 

Ridge channeling the "Ghost" designing via Caroline was creepy. I hope she has a good supply of degreaser on hand to wipe down with after he's touched her. Gross.

 

Katie was spitting the lemonballs today. "My FIANCE" indeed. Me thinks she's more than a bit green with envy.  I'll bet that HT is chafing at the bit being limited to these intermittent and not very meaty SLs for Katie.

 

Please... please, do not let this be portending a Rick/Caroline/Maya/Ridge/Katie mix-up. I'm none too good with geometry, but I guess that would be a pentagon?

Edited September 10, 2014 by grisgris

[Anna Yolei]

I just realized that with the exception of Bridget, Ridge never usually went for women young enough to be his daughter. TIIC better not use Caroline to break that streak.

I miss old Ridge. Brad should find some way to play to RM's ego to bring hom back on a show, or can TK.he's a good actor, but just not a good Ridge.

[St3phForrester]

Sooooo, you guys, I really enjoyed today's episode. Not only did Eric have actual lines and was in the bonus scene too (and sported a shiny new haircut - God smite me I love that old fool and I don't care who knows it), we also had shirtless Carter, Ridge & Caroline, and no Hope/Liam/Wyatt. Score!

 

But what was up with Maya's line about "If you're having second thoughts about marrying [Caroline]"? Surely that was a fluff?

 

"Good thing I'm not the jealous type!" Oh, Katie. I gotta say, though, I'm still intrigued by where this Ridge/Caroline thing is going. I don't see the romantic sparks flying, and I don't want it to get physical (right now, anyway - although there is a hug in the promo so whatever!), but there will definitely be some Chinese Whispers doing the rounds tout suite and I wanna see how that goes down.

 

Have you all heard the news about KKL going to the Italian Dancing with the Stars? Three months away from B&B apparently. She's just touched down in Sydney for the charity ride on the Great Ocean Road, and then straight after that she and her boyfriend are headed to the Continent. I wonder in which direction the story will go? KKL suggested that Brooke will work from the FC International office in Milan (I didn't realise there was one???)

[sugarbaker design]

                                                                       Forrester Creations

                                                             Los Angeles Paris Sydney Milan
                                                         and anywhere else the storyline take us

[ByTor]

"Good thing I'm not the jealous type!" Oh, Katie.

Probably my favorite line of the show! 

 

Rick is annoying me.  Why is he being such a wuss, and why doesn't he come out & tell Myrna point blank that he better never hear her speaking so nasty about Caroline again?  He could always play the "creating a hostile work environment" card.

Edited September 10, 2014 by ByTor

[Joimiaroxeu]

Katie was spitting the lemonballs today. "My FIANCE" indeed.

When Katie said that I immediately thought of this scene from the Seinfeld show. Now I'm wishing Ivy had been in the room too but she's probably not rude enough to mock the fiancee of one of her bosses who also happens to be a Forrester.

 

But what was up with Maya's line about "If you're having second thoughts about marrying [Caroline]"? Surely that was a fluff?

It did seem kind of random but I don't think it was a fluff. I think maybe the writers are finally doing what I asked a few weeks ago, that is, show the audience what Maya's motivation is instead of just using her as the resident female version of a whipping boy. She is (or thinks she is) still in love with Rick and regards him as the one who got away. I think her attitude toward his marriage is delusional but she'd hardly be the first character in the history of soap operas to have that problem.

 

Rick is annoying me.  Why is he being such a wuss, and why doesn't he come out & tell Myrna point blank that he better never hear her speaking so nasty about Caroline again?  He could always play the "creating a hostile work environment" card.

I agree but if he says that to Maya I think he needs to say it to Caroline too. Caroline won the contest, she has the prize--as it were--and IMO it doesn't behoove her to be disrespecting Maya in the workplace either. Let Rick deal with it as a workplace problem when it happens at the office and when it happens outside the office, it might be time for him to get brutally honest with Maya about her behavior.

Edited September 10, 2014 by Joimiaroxeu

[SweePea59]

.How about a male proposing marriage to a female he has never dated and she accepts? This fucking show....

If Brooke says, WTF OK, to Deacon that will make two.

[kia112]

But what was up with Maya's line about "If you're having second thoughts about marrying [Caroline]"? Surely that was a fluff?

 

I don't think Rick is having second thoughts about marrying Caroline (now), but I also think it's completely realistic for him to think about what could have been with Maya.  He fell hard and fast for her, didn't take no for an answer when she kept pulling away from him, broke up with Caroline to be with her, then she broke up with him, and he was still making efforts to get her back even while he and Caroline were reconnecting.  He and Maya did discuss having children.  So while it only lasted a few months, it was an intense few months, and neither one of them knows that it was Rafael who kept Rick from getting in contact with her that fateful night that Carter slept on the couch.  So yeah, I'm fine with this whole story, even though it should have happened toward the end of last year instead of now.  Better late than never.

[ByTor]

I agree but if he says that to Maya I think he needs to say it to Caroline too. Caroline won the contest, she has the prize--as it were--and IMO it doesn't behoove her to be disrespecting Maya in the workplace either.

Is Caroline doing that as well? I tend to do other things while the show is on and not paying great attention, so I'm sure what you're saying is accurate, and yes, I do agree, that nonsense needs to stay out of the office.

[Cool Breeze]

One of the ways TK's Ridge is different from RM's is that NuRidge is just plain mean.  He's gruff, extremely rude and mean as a snake.  I understand he's supposed to be recovering from his Persian Gulf trauma but his impatience with a fawning, adoring Caroline was just dickish.  If you want to write a PTSD SL, then do it.  Otherwise this Ridge is just an unrepentant asshole.

[kia112]

I really liked today's episode.  I think that it's completely realistic that Katie has taken as long as she has to get over Bill and Brooke.  Even the false starts that they've had over the past few months trying to move toward reconciliation make sense.  Brooke and Katie had a good conversation.  Rick and Maya had a good conversation, and since they're going back down that route, it was nice to see how Rick apparently talked himself into thinking that he and Maya were a little off, which would explain how he could marry Caroline so quickly.  It was believable.  And Karla Mosley went from "meh" to "not bad" acting against JY in that scene.  Ridge and Caroline had a good conversation and I thought that Linsey really sold Caroline's confusion over what Ridge wanted from her.

[Anna Yolei]

One of the ways TK's Ridge is different from RM's is that NuRidge is just plain mean. He's gruff, extremely rude and mean as a snake. I understand he's supposed to be recovering from his Persian Gulf trauma but his impatience with a fawning, adoring Caroline was just dickish. If you want to write a PTSD SL, then do it. Otherwise this Ridge is just an unrepentant asshole.

I'd argue that even RM Ridge had become like that in his last years...but it was reserved for those he had some grudge with like Amber or Rick or Darla. Swiping for the sake of being a pisshead, however, is a bit new.

[Gudzilla]

So I guess Rick is about to become the next waffle, Caroline will hide Ridge's problem while Maya eats Rick's brain by talking about secrets and lies. I hate this story already and it's still in the speculation stage.

 

I hope Katie was telling the truth about being tired of feeling angry.

[RuntheTable]

So, Katie has come to her senses and decided to seek advice from the source on all things Ridge. I didn't get the sense that Katie was all that happy hearing what life with Ridge was going to be like. I suppose she envisioned sunny days in the park, and poetry hour by firelight with her sweet, and needy Ridge. This is just another example of how Katie thought she knew Ridge, but knowing someone as a brother is far different than knowing them as a man. Unfortunately for her, she is learning what a self centered, arrogant, elitist, entitled prick Ridge really is, and how he needs constant hand holding and mollycoddling to get on with his life. Stephanie is gone, and is no longer here to guide and protect Ridge, so that task is going to fall on Katie. Far from being treated like a loved fiance, Ridge is treating Katie like a virtual day planner; someone who is there to arrange his days, keep his secrets, prop him, and keep telling him how wonderful he is. I was glad they finally let Katie lay voice to her dismay at being backburnered for all things Ridge, but this is what happens when you act in haste, and out of vengeance.

 

One of the ways TK's Ridge is different from RM's is that NuRidge is just plain mean.  He's gruff, extremely rude and mean as a snake.  I understand he's supposed to be recovering from his Persian Gulf trauma but his impatience with a fawning, adoring Caroline was just dickish.

 

 

Thank you for summing that up so nicely. Rotten. Just plain Rotten. Rotten Ridge was on full display today. Were we to take that as him finally letting his anger and frustration out? Why couldn't he do that with Katie? Isn't she the love of his life? No, instead he calls Caroline to his office and proceeds to beat her up for not getting the designs right, confusing her, insulting her, dumping his version of the Abu Dhabi events on her, and asking her to betray her husband by aiding him in producing a collection. LG did a great job in those scenes, she totally sold me on being torn between learning from the Master, and jeopardizing her marriage.

 

I would chalk one up for Maya if Caroline had continued her bad behavior, but she has been quite accommodating since marrying Rick.  For awhile there they were even allowing Maya and Caroline to be frenimies and it was working. We all know that Caroline was a vanilla do-gooder before her header off of Uncle Bill's balcony, and they have let some of that seep back into the character, but have tempered it with her new sassiness. This is what makes me love Caroline. I fail to see what Maya found so enticing about Ridge and Caroline hugging; there is a world of history between them when you consider Caroline's namesake was Ridge's great love, and that he was also very close Karen when she first emerged on the scene. I think it is pretty clear what is being set up here; simply connect the dots and you have it.

Edited September 11, 2014 by RuntheTable

[Joimiaroxeu]

I would chalk one up for Maya if Caroline had continued her bad behavior, but she has been quite accommodating since marrying Rick. 

Caroline has still been deliberately calling Maya--to her face--alternate names like "Myrna". I think snarkily calling someone a name other than the one they choose to call themselves is at the very least rude and at worst, presumptuous and condescending. I'm glad Maya pointed that out to Rick today.

 

However, I do think Maya's wrong for trying to break up Rick's marriage just because she's not the one he chose. Unless Rick is planning to cheat on Caroline or is willing to entertain Maya's delusions and divorce his wife for her, I think he really needs to shut her down more firmly or she'll probably just keep causing trouble.

[blackwing]

Apart from the show trying to manufacture angst when Rick inevitably finds out about "the secret"... what possible reason could Caroline have for keeping Ridge's secret that he can't draw? Why is she more loyal to this man she barely knows than to her own husband?

I get that this is being done so Rick will leave her and get with Maya when he finds out she didn't tell him, but from Caroline's perspective, I can't understand her reasoning.

[kia112]

I think that they've been pretty explicit about the rush Caroline gets when Ridge uses her to draw. They talk like it's spiritual or something. I think she's letting that cloud her decision making and it also makes it easier to buy Ridge's excuse that it doesn't really matter how the line gets done as long as it gets done.

[godfreydaniels]

 

I hope Katie was telling the truth about being tired of feeling angry.

I wonder if she takes that red string off her finger and then puts it back on when she showers?? I'd be tired and angry too if I had to wear a red string on my finger instead of a huge diamond. lol  

[tricknasty]

I thought Liam is a vegetarian? Cause he was eating a chicken wing today.

[politichick]

Wyatt seriously has no moral compass whatsoever. He and Hope could afford to buy their own house but he wants Liam's? What a fucking asshole he is. I hope that Dope really reams him out for even thinking about it. He is a disgusting entitled brat. Thank goodness Liam is standing his ground. I mean seriously, what the hell is the matter with him? He is like moth-eaten with jealousy. Why does he want to live in the place where Hope lost her virginity and previously lived with Liam? He is one sick little fucking puppy. 

 

I definitely don't want Brooke with Deacon, but I hope Bill has to pay at least a little for keeping Quinn's secret as payback for even bringing that sick request to Liam.

[kia112]

Yeah, and they even made mention of it today when Bill was saying that half of the pizza was veggie and Wyatt was talking about loading up the beach house with tofu and bean spouts.  Maybe Liam was just so upset about being approached about moving that he forgot.

 

Speaking of which, WTF.  I know Liam gave Wyatt keys, but he needs to get those locks changed immediately.  I don't even know why Liam engages in any conversation with Wyatt.  Take the champagne, tell him, "Oh, bee tee dubs, eff off" and kick him out.

[thewhiteowl]

Chicken Head appears to be a thirsty, thirsty boy. He got the great prize of Hopeless, now he wants Liam's home? Dude, just admit it, you want to be Liam, more than you want Hopeless or anything else. Next he'll want Liam's job. (LOL like anyone really works...)  Hopeless is pea-green with jealousy. I hope Wype just move in anyway so they can watch Liam and Ivy date. That would be funny.

As Maya says "Marriage isn't forever" lol

[nasir jones]

I laughed today when Liam had the nerve to say, "First, you steal my girl, then...".  When Liam put the full court press on Hope during the pregnancy scare, was that not "stealing" Wyatt's girl?  Wyatt may be annoying, but Liam is a complete hypocrite.  They must be brothers because they're two sides of the same annoying coin.  Wyatt's "Get over it" spiel is no different that Liam's way over the top magnanimous conversations with Wyatt following Hope's previous brother switcheroo.

 

Then again, I hate Liam the way most people here seem to hate Wyatt, so I'm never going to agree with anything coming out of his mouth.  I do wish the writers would give Wyatt a spine and actual characterization.  At the moment, he's no different than Ivy... just a foil in the never-ending saga of Liam and Hope.

[politichick]

I laughed today when Liam had the nerve to say, "First, you steal my girl, then...".  When Liam put the full court press on Hope during the pregnancy scare, was that not "stealing" Wyatt's girl?  Wyatt may be annoying, but Liam is a complete hypocrite.  They must be brothers because they're two sides of the same annoying coin.  Wyatt's "Get over it" spiel is no different that Liam's way over the top magnanimous conversations with Wyatt following Hope's previous brother switcheroo.

 

Then again, I hate Liam the way most people here seem to hate Wyatt, so I'm never going to agree with anything coming out of his mouth.  I do wish the writers would give Wyatt a spine and actual characterization.  At the moment, he's no different than Ivy... just a foil in the never-ending saga of Liam and Hope.

Except that when Whynutt first came on the scene Hope was Liam's girl, a fact for which his brother showed absolutely no respect, so what did he really owe him? Either way, trying to move him out of his house is really low class and jacked up. What an asswipe.

[blackwing]

Except that when Whynutt first came on the scene Hope was Liam's girl, a fact for which his brother showed absolutely no respect, so what did he really owe him? Either way, trying to move him out of his house is really low class and jacked up. What an asswipe.

I'm not so sure that Hope was "Liam's girl".  Seems to me that she was one of Liam's two girls, which is the problem that this couple has always had.  Hope and Liam were going to get married, the night before, he went and partied with Steffy and dyed his hair red.  Hope dumps him.  He gets back together with Steffy.  I forget what happened next, but when Hope and Liam look like they will get back together, Steffy came back and said she was pregnant.  Looks like he is back with her, but then she has a miscarriage.  She flees to Paris after finding out she is now barren.  Liam is now with Hope but won't let go of Steffy.  

 

I think this is the point at which Wyatt entered.  Liam was still waffling and Wyatt knew he wanted Hope and would be committed to her so he made a play for her.  I don't see why Wyatt should have "respected" Liam's relationship with Hope when Liam didn't even respect it himself.

 

I do agree though that I'm not sure why Wyatt would want Liam's house.

 

Heather Tom's face is very full, like she's gaining weight.

To me her face has always been very full, I call her Chipmunk Cheeks. Edited September 11, 2014 by blackwing

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I think this is the point at which Wyatt entered.  Liam was still waffling and Wyatt knew he wanted Hope and would be committed to her so he made a play for her.  I don't see why Wyatt should have "respected" Liam's relationship with Hope when Liam didn't even respect it himself.

 

At that point, Liam wasn't actually waffling, he just wanted to know why Steffy left is all, which I think was reasonable.  Even if he was waffling at that point, Hope, while definitely flirty with him, continued to tell Wyatt that she was involved with someone else.  And then a few weeks later, she and Liam got engaged.

 

I'm barely ever going to give Wyatt an inch.  If it was a Rick/Maya situation, where Hope was spending all her free time with Wyatt and not exactly clearing the air when there was some confusion over relationship status and kissing him and then he found out she had a boyfriend, that would be one thing.  He's invested at that point.  That wasn't the case, though.

Edited September 11, 2014 by kia112