S05.E02: The Tradition Of Hospitality

[ElectricBoogaloo]

Carrie and Düring visit a refugee camp. Saul and Allison are at odds. Quinn stays on mission.

 

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[Primetimer]

Laura gets picked up, Carrie and Düring almost get blown up, and Quinn gets a surprising assignment.

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[healthnut]

Best line: "My English is better than your Arabic"

Were we supposed to understand what was written on Quinn's paper? How does everyone know Carrie is ex-CIA? Fallout from Islamabad? I don't get it.

Glad to see Carrie's instincts are still there while she is taking her meds. Nine months sober and going to church, who is this Carrie Mathison? All in all, decent episode with some tense moments. Ready for things to start progressing more next week. Thought it was funny the CIA guy thought her and Saul were cooking up a plan to get her in the Foundation. I also liked that Allison showed some backbone and didn't just pack up and leave. I don't expect Dar to sacrifice his boy though. What is Dar's position now, doesnanyone know? I did notice F. Murray Abraham in the opening credits so he's a regular now.

[JocelynCavanaugh]

I thought he said "I speak English better than I speak Arabic"?

Quinn's paper said MATHISO.

Dar Adal is head of the CIA.

Edited October 12, 2015 by JocelynCavanaugh

[Boundary]

It took two episodes for the cry face to show up.

 

I got bad vibes last week from Allison and that influenced my reaction to her antics this week. Not betrayal vibes or anything like that, and she's probably just a professional fighting for her corner, but it rubbed me the wrong way. I'm a viewer, not meant to be objective so I'll just state it: you can't attempt to throw Saul under the bus and remain in my good graces.

Edited October 12, 2015 by Boundary

[lvbalgurl]

Quinn deciphering the code and jotting down Carrie's name was something several of us saw coming -- (Carrie's name being in the "Kill box") -- yet the scene managed to grab me and pull me in completely.  It's moments like these that keep me tuning in -- I had a "whoooooa!" reaction, even though it wasn't really a surprise.  That's the beauty of Homeland.

 

Someone obviously fucked with Saul's drop to Quinn because there's no way he would ever order Carrie's death.  But, who?

 

Interesting.

 

The show should have hooked Carrie up with During instead of the bland/nondescript Brody wannabe.  Their scenes in Lebanon were more interesting than any of her scenes with the boyfriend.

 

I can't hate on Allison for trying to save her ass.

 

Laura's stance is completely valid but she is really loud and smug.  I'm glad to see more of Astrid; I like her.

[jeansheridan]

Another solid episode. I like a sober Carrie. Quinn wasn't especially stealthy. Wondering if that was poor writing or a reflection on how amateur the woman was.

I don't mind the lawyer. Carrie has had drama. Boring blond dude might be refreshing. And what Frannie needs.

I love the Berlin setting. Love it. And the new cast members. And Hank can show up again please. Yum.

[Pallas]

Quinn deciphering the code and jotting down Carrie's name was something several of us saw coming -- (Carrie's name being in the "Kill box") -- yet the scene managed to grab me and pull me in completely.  It's moments like these that keep me tuning in -- I had a "whoooooa!" reaction, even though it wasn't really a surprise.  That's the beauty of Homeland.

 

Absolutely.  For me the surprise was that it came so soon.

 

Laura's stance is completely valid but she is really loud and smug.

 

It's tiresome when the show hangs its coat on a hoary TV trope: the know-it-all outsider who tries to show the locals or the pros how they've got it wrong.  (The city slicker among the cowboys; the chipper diplomat among the wary warriors; and now the heedless whistleblower among the watchful spooks.)  Along with that, they went and saddled her with Carrie's charm and Lockhart's circumspection.

 

I don't expect Dar to sacrifice his boy though. What is Dar's position now, does anyone know.

 

No one ever really knows Dar's position. And I'm not sure Dar has ever considered Saul to be his: he fears Saul is a recovering skeptic. What frustrates Dar about Saul is that he can't be sure Saul is entirely committed to his own advancement (like Allison and David Estes) or the country's, at the expense of all else. To Dar, this makes Saul perhaps fatally rabbinical. And if he were to pull Saul from Berlin, that leaves Quinn even further out in the cold.  

 

On the other hand, it's possible that Dar planted the Carrie-kill order -- either to test Quinn's resolve, or his sanity. Who knows with him. But loyalty, and what it means to keep faith, seems again to be the temper of the season.

[penelope79]

So, Quinn has been ordered to kill Carrie... which means the wait is finally over and they will meet again! Yay!

(Of course, there's no way that he's going to kill her and I agree that the order doesn't come from Saul either).

Edited October 12, 2015 by penelope79

[dwmarch]

Did Carrie call the guy at the end of the episode Behrooz? And does that mean we finally have an answer to what happened to poor Behrooz on 24? He ended up becoming a Hezbollah lackey? Jack Bauer would be so disappointed.

 

Interesting to see that Windows phones are the phones of choice for terrorists. Hawaii 5-0 does it the other way around because of a deal they have with Microsoft: the hero characters lovingly caress and praise their Microsoft products while the bad guys have to make due with Android or Apple phones.

 

Quinn was being so unsubtle in his mission that I wondered if he was about to blunder into a trap. I'm glad he accomplished his mission (although very indiscreetly, how long will it take for someone to notice a car with the door hanging open and a dead woman laying next to it?) but I am worried he is getting careless. He let a terrorist walk in on him in episode one and in this episode he acts like he's in a live version of Grand Theft Auto. To paraphrase what Hannibal Lecter said to Jack the Ripper in their Epic Rap Battle of History, I don't mind that you're naughty Quinn, I hate that you're sloppy.

 

It occurred to me during this episode that the assassinations are probably only known to Quinn, Dar Adal and Saul. The Berlin Station Chief does not know about them and that is why she will not end up prevailing over Saul. She's bitching about losing two sets of eyes in the Ukraine while Saul is researching and destroying bad guys. And since Dar Adal comes from the black side of the CIA, he's probably much more interested in the work Saul and Quinn are getting done rather than something he would see on the news 24 hours after the CIA guys found out about it.

 

Speaking of the news, I am curious as to why the German spies had the TV on while they were tossing the journalist's apartment. Shouldn't they be focused on what they are doing rather than watching TV?

 

I am looking forward to seeing how the Carrie kill order plot unfolds. Carrie has done two questionable things so far: meeting with the journalist and meeting with Hezbollah. I can't see how those things would result in a kill order though. The report back from the watchers must specify that no one agrees with her and they all treat her like shit. Is Saul really going to read a report on these interactions and say "Your foundation killed my father. Prepare to die!"...?

Edited October 12, 2015 by dwmarch

[Espy]

Loved the episode. Setting the show in Germany has really invigorated it for me. The German cast are all excellent and I love the addition of Astrid as a counterpoint to Carrie. The casting has been top-notch this season, especially Miranda Otto as Alison. 

 

The reveal at the end is the kind of thing that keeps me coming back to this show, even when it loses its way. It would be really ballsy if Quinn went ahead and carried out the assassination, and the rest of the series was the fall out from that. 

[norask]

Loved the episode. Setting the show in Germany has really invigorated it for me.

 

Agree wholeheartedly. Setting the show in europe against the current political situation has worked wonders for the show.

 

The moment the audience was shown that Carrie was in Berlin and so was Quinn while doing wetwork, it was only a matter of time before he got Carrie's killorder. But I didn't expect it to happen in the second episode. Is he so far gone that he will actually go through with it? Well, he won't succeed, of course, but will he go so far as to try?

 

Who placed the order, though? I just can't imagine Saul would do it, without actually talking to Carrie at least once. Dar Adal seems to be the most obvious choice.

 

Miranda Otto is a great actress but I can't wait for her character to get her comeuppance. Yes, she is only protecting herself but she went after Saul. Nobody does that! The only person allowed to fuck with Saul's career is Carrie, a fact that she will no doubt figure out in the end.

 

I like the american reporter. She does come across as smug and abrasive but her POV, it is understandable. She is undoubtedly in the right yet she is being treated as a criminal by smug, self-righteous spooks. What can she do but try to out-smug them? Carrie's boyfriend seems to have a past with her -  at least that's the impression I get every time they interact. Did he dump her for Carrie?

Edited October 12, 2015 by norask

[teddysmom]

Someone obviously fucked with Saul's drop to Quinn because there's no way he would ever order Carrie's death.  But, who?

 

Exactly.  And like Quinn wouldn't question killing Carrie. 

 

The one thing that got me as ringing true was the terrorist lady and those teenage girls.  Sure you wanna go to Syria and get fake married to some ISIS asshole and then he passes you around to his buddies and then  you get to be a suicide bomber.   

 

Or, stay at home and go to a Taylor Swift concert.    Teens!!! WAKE THE FUCK UP!!! 

[halgia]

It would be really ballsy if Quinn went ahead and carried out the assassination, and the rest of the series was the fall out from that.

That would be kind of amazing, but then again this is the show that kept Brody around for season 2 and 3....

[roughing it]

I'm guessing the kill order was dropped off by a Saul look-alike, and is likely connected to her visit to Lebanon. Someone has been watching all of them for a while, to have discovered the kill-plan procedure between Peter and Saul.

[Margherita Erdman]

Am I the only one who thought that Quinn's latest victim recognized him? I thought she said "Peter," not "bitte."

[jeansheridan]

Am I the only one who thought that Quinn's latest victim recognized him? I thought she said "Peter," not "bitte."

I heard Peter too.  What does "bitte" mean?  Plus the way he was about the whole job, like he was following someone he had known for a long time.  His whole manner was very bored and been here, done that.  I mean, I guess I am glad he doesn't LOVE his work, but ...Quinn is no hero, clearly.  Rupert Friend is lovely to look at of course, but Peter is not a guy to take home to mom and dad.  Ever.

 

I'd say at this point, the two guys who leaked the info and the reporter are the only heroes.  I loved that guy's comment.  "Get your money from sex.  Information is free."  Rarely do I side with a pornagrapher, but there you go.

Edited October 13, 2015 by jeansheridan

[attica]

What does "bitte" mean?

 

It's a multi-use word, but in this case it meant "Please." 

 

So will we see more of Max Beesley, the brown-leather jacketed guy with the During crew at camp? He's a bigger name in the UK than here, so I'm thinking that his will be a more significant role.

 

I wish it weren't so much a trope that when our heroine says "I'm so happy you're in my life; I'll see you tomorrow" it always means "Hahaha lol nope!"

 

Also: Astrid is awesome.

Edited October 13, 2015 by attica

[preeya]

This show has strayed so far from the original premise, it should no longer be called Homeland.

[Boundary]

Whoever placed the kill order is either misinformed or stupid. There's a bond between Saul, Quinn and Carrie that can't be broken, trust that transcends professional titles. So Quinn obviously won't carry out the order. Allison knows about Carrie's link to Saul, which is what pissed her off but it also absolves her of this shenanigans. But if Saul can run an op right under her nose, then either she doesn't have his trust (duh) or she's incompetent.

 

The Germans should've put a tail on Saul (if the Pakistanis/Taliban did it...) but it seems they specifically decided to look the other way, so he could do exactly his thing. Which means there's another player. I doubt it's Hezbollah, this new player paid for the refugee camp attack on Carrie, I'm sure of it. Dah Adal wouldn't use Quinn to off Carrie, he's not that stupid. Whoever this new player is has allowed Quinn to go after his Isis targets unmolested but more crucially has infiltrated Saul's protocols. It's a CIA insider, with contacts inside Hezbollah and possibly other places. Bringing me back to Allison. Maybe she's not so incompetent after all ...

Edited October 13, 2015 by Boundary

[norask]

 Dah Adal wouldn't use Quinn to off Carrie, he's not that stupid. Whoever this new player is has allowed Quinn to go after his Isis targets unmolested but more crucially has infiltrated Saul's protocols. It's a CIA insider, with contacts inside Hezbollah and possibly other places. Bringing me back to Allison. Maybe she's not so incompetent after all ...

        I thought it was Dar Adal but you are right. He is too smart to use Quinn to kill Carrie - he knows about his connection to her. The one person Quinn could never hurt is her. Allison now seems to be the likeliest candidate. She knows about Saul and Carrie but doesn't know about Quinn and Carrie. So it would be logical for her to use him to take her out but why? What kind of thread does Carrie pose to her? Just working with the reporter can't be enough, can it?

[FurryFury]

I think it's someone from Carrie's pre-show past we haven't seen yet. Maybe from that period she mentioned in her talk with During this episode.

 

I like the ep, I'm intrigued in what's coming next, especially with Carrie and Quinn (but also Allison and Saul and the leak plot). I've never liked Miranda Otto because I felt like she was totally miscast in LotR (she was the farthest from my mental image of Eowyn from the book), but I like her here so far.

 

The boyfriend will totally betray Carrie at some point. The only question is if she'll cheat on him before that (because duh, it's Carrie) or not. 

Edited October 13, 2015 by FurryFury

[jeansheridan]

This show has strayed so far from the original premise, it should no longer be called Homeland.

I disagree. Saul is still protecting the "homeland". Astrid is protecting Germany. Carrie is protecting her little household of Frannie and new partner. "Homeland" has always been more of a metaphor than purely literal.

I have never used the term "homeland" in my head when I think of the US. I think "America" or "United States" The term "homeland security" has always felt foreign to me. Like Motherland or Fatherland. Just sounds odd to my ear.

Edited October 13, 2015 by jeansheridan

[HollaMcDollar]

I'm guessing the kill order was dropped off by a Saul look-alike, and is likely connected to her visit to Lebanon. Someone has been watching all of them for a while, to have discovered the kill-plan procedure between Peter and Saul.

There was definitely a Saul look a like at the post office just before Quinn showed up. I enhanced this freeze frame a bit and it's definitely not Mandy Patinkin.

http://imgur.com/pIRtl03

[roughing it]

What about the guy Carrie saw at the hotel bar?  The one she knew previously?  Is he stalking her for some reason?

[slowpoked]

For awhile after the MATHISO reveal on Quinn's new package, I thought, man, Carrie must really have burned some bridges with Saul and the CIA that they want her wiped out. But after the initial shock has worn off, I thought back to that scene of the old man doing the drop off, and I think, that if the CIA was the one who did the drop off of Carrie's kill order, they wouldn't show that scene, as they already established in the first episode that this off-book killings is between Saul and Quinn (and probably Dar Adal). So why show another drop off again?

 

So if this isn't CIA, and the bombing in the camp was aimed at Carrie, then someone else knows about the CIA's covert kill order operations, and messed with it to get the CIA to kill one of their own (or formerly one of their own). Obviously, Quinn is not going to do it, he's going to find out why there is an order for Carrie. But it's interesting to see the crossing of the paths - the CIA's covert operations being turned against one of their own.

 

Or maybe, the CIA really just wants to off Carrie. And someone from the other side also wants to off Carrie. Man, I'd hate to be Carrie at any time. Everyone just wants to kill her.

 

Another solid episode. I'm loving Miranda Otto's character. I love that she isn't just a straight man (or woman). Her going behind Saul's back means that she will eventually figure into all of this mess, and probably be in the middle of it. An improvement from the ambassador character last season, where their own CIA director told her she has no backbone. Also love that moving the setting to Germany gave them an excuse to include Astrid this season. I thought her character was a nice introduction late in last season. Looks like to be an important character too, a higher ranked officer in the Germany intelligence.

Edited October 13, 2015 by slowpoked

[bikebrh]

****What does "bitte" mean?***

"Bitte" in this context means "please". She was starting to beg for her life. I guess she wasn't ready to be a martyr, just a gutless martyr recruiter. She got what she deserved.

[Kel Varnsen]

Were we supposed to understand what was written on Quinn's paper? How does everyone know Carrie is ex-CIA? Fallout from Islamabad? I don't get it.

 

 The video from last season showing the Islamabad CIA station chief getting killed was uploaded to youtube. Carrie and Quinn were both in the car with him so anyone who cares could figure out pretty easily that she is connected to the CIA.

 

 

So if this isn't CIA, and the bombing in the camp was aimed at Carrie, then someone else knows about the CIA's covert kill order operations, and messed with it to get the CIA to kill one of their own (or formerly one of their own). 

Not only does someone know about it, but the person who knows also knows the code that Saul and Quinn use to send messages. If Saul and Quinn were supposed to be the only ones who knew about the operation, then using a code that someone else was aware of seems pretty sloppy. Because it seemed to me that the numbers on the sheet of paper corresponded to letters in the classified page that Quinn had. Now unless you knew that was the code, and what newspaper Quinn and Saul were using, you wouldn't be able to send a message.

[The Bullpen]

Can someone remind me what Astrid's role was last season?  I knew she looked familiar but I can't remember how she factored in to the end of Season 4.

[lvbalgurl]

Can someone remind me what Astrid's role was last season?  I knew she looked familiar but I can't remember how she factored in to the end of Season 4.

 

Astrid is Quinn's ex.  She let him stay with her when he went badass/rogue and built the bomb to take out Haqqani, and checked out the phones he found on Haqqani's men, which led to Quinn tracking him down.  She also told Carrie a story about how she and Quinn "drank a bar dry" once in Copenhagen and that he swore he'd leave the agency.  Said he says this ever so often to make himself feel better but has no intention of leaving.

 

I like her.  It's nice to have someone on the show with a connection to Quinn and his past.

[ElectricBoogaloo]

As harrowing as the escape from the camp was, part of me was glad that it happened if only so Carrie's boss realized that she was not kidding when she tried to warn him about how dangerous this trip was. His easy breezy attitude in the previous episode annoyed me so much. Although I don't work in security or anything similar, I can only imagine how difficult it is to do your job when your boss insists on getting in your way and acting like you're just being paranoid. Dude, she's your head of security. You pay her to make sure you're safe, but how can she do that when you don't listen to her?

 

As cold as Quinn is in his role as assassin, I can't imagine him just blindly following orders and killing Carrie. And as at odds as Saul and Carrie are right now, he wouldn't order that kill under the current circumstances (the only thing she's done recently on his radar was being photographed talking to a coworker before the leak which isn't enough for Saul to have her killed - even if Saul decided to have Carrie eliminated, he knows that Quinn wouldn't do it). Hopefully all this means is that Quinn will contact Saul and they will start trying to figure out who has infiltrated the Box of Death.

[Mistletoe]

Not only does someone know about it, but the person who knows also knows the code that Saul and Quinn use to send messages. If Saul and Quinn were supposed to be the only ones who knew about the operation, then using a code that someone else was aware of seems pretty sloppy. Because it seemed to me that the numbers on the sheet of paper corresponded to letters in the classified page that Quinn had. Now unless you knew that was the code, and what newspaper Quinn and Saul were using, you wouldn't be able to send a message.

I can't help but think that Saul issued the "kill order" for Carrie knowing full well that Quinn will NOT follow through with it. Saul, always the protector/father figure (despite the current state of their relationship), is once again looking out for Carrie and using Quinn to keep her safe. Quintessential Saul/Carrie.

Also, Dar Adal is a snake and I do not trust that dude. Not ever. No way.

[MaggieG]

I might be wrong in this but didn't Saul and Quinn agree on pictures for his targets? I remember in the first episode Quinn got a picture of this ISIS recruiter lady and that is the one he killed in this episode. There was no picture of Carrie, just the code to reveal her name. That could be a hint that Saul wasn't the one who ordered the hit. I don't think it could be Saul either way. Probably Dar or someone from her past we haven't seen.

Quinn continues to be sexy as hell, even though he's all dark and scary.

[slowpoked]

Also, Dar Adal is a snake and I do not trust that dude. Not ever. No way.

Gah, I'm still pissed it seems like he's the only one not punished, or didn't have any fallout from the Pakistan clusterfuck that happened last season. Everyone got punished for something or had their own fallout for America's failure in that situation - Carrie, Saul, Lockhart, Quinn, the ambassador, Dennis, etc. But Dar Adal remains a high figure in the CIA. 

[Constantinople]

Astrid is Quinn's ex.  She let him stay with her when he went badass/rogue and built the bomb to take out Haqqani, and checked out the phones he found on Haqqani's men, which led to Quinn tracking him down.  She also told Carrie a story about how she and Quinn "drank a bar dry" once in Copenhagen and that he swore he'd leave the agency.  Said he says this ever so often to make himself feel better but has no intention of leaving.

 

I like her.  It's nice to have someone on the show with a connection to Quinn and his past.

I like Astrid too. I particularly liked this exchange

Astrid: Ms. Sutton, sorry for the delay.

Laura: I'm an American citizen. You have no right to hold me. I want my lawyer (pause, expecting Astrid to respond) Did you hear me? I want my lawyer.

Astrid: (nonchalantly) I heard you. You have a loud voice.

[tom87]

I liked when the reporter was on tv and said she knew they would be searching her house and just  hoped the didn't let her cat out.  Then flip to them searching her house and them asking if anyone has  seen a cat.

[slowpoked]

I like Astrid too. I particularly liked this exchange

Astrid: Ms. Sutton, sorry for the delay.

Laura: I'm an American citizen. You have no right to hold me. I want my lawyer (pause, expecting Astrid to respond) Did you hear me? I want my lawyer.

Astrid: (nonchalantly) I heard you. You have a loud voice.

I like her too, and that's why I'm looking forward to this season where it looks like she may play a more important role.

 

I liked her telling Quinn that he needs to take a shower stat even though they haven't seen or talked to each other for years.

 

I liked her telling Carrie how Quinn is never going to get out of the CIA no matter what he says.

 

Basically, I just like her IDGAF, I just do my job attitude. And it seems like she does her job well considering Miranda Otto said she's one of the better ones the Germany intelligence agency has.

[John Potts]

You know, I rarely watch Homeland for its humour, but I really did think this one was a bundle of laughs - from Astrid's "I heard you - You have a loud voice," to the smash cut from Not!WikiLeaks girl saying, "I'm sure they're going through my things right now" to them doing exactly that and finally the pornographer going "Get your money from sex!" (although he might have added that it's considerably less likely to get you killed!).

 

Not!WikiLeaks Girl though annoyed me this week because if you do something that you know is illegal to make a stand in opposition to the Fascist policies of the CIA (and whatever the German Intelligence Agency is called), then you should really expect for them to turn on you. Going "These people are violating your rights!" and then acting surprised when they violate your rights just makes you look like an idiot. And although I don't know the law in Germany, I did like Astrid pointing out that she had broken the law, so they were entitled to question her (and presumably ultimately deport her) and the "Right to a lawyer" isn't necessarily as blanket a right as it is in the USA.

 

Boundary Dah Adal wouldn't use Quinn to off Carrie, he's not that stupid
norask   I thought it was Dar Adal but you are right. He is too smart to use Quinn to kill Carrie
slowpoked So if this isn't CIA, and the bombing in the camp was aimed at Carrie, then someone else knows about the CIA's covert kill order operations, and messed with it to get the CIA to kill one of their own

 

My thought was Dar Adal, too, but since he knows Carrie & Quinn have a "thing" it would be one hell of a risk to ask him to do so (certainly without questioning the kill order). But I always remember the Gospel according to Gansa: "Whenever two or three are gathered together in my name, at least one is a mole," (my money's on Allison). OTOH, we know somebody hacked the CIA's computers, so maybe they got wind of it that way.

[vesperholly]

So will we see more of Max Beesley, the brown-leather jacketed guy with the During crew at camp? He's a bigger name in the UK than here, so I'm thinking that his will be a more significant role.

 

Wait, Tom Jones is Hunky Blonde Security dude?! Nice!! I watched that when it was on PBS in the 90s and I have the DVD :D (I'm catching up)

[Superpole2000]

For the last three seasons, I have thought that Homeland's greatest flaw is that Carrie is too important. This episode had me rolling my eyes more than usual. From her staying behind to research what went wrong (reckless) to her slamming on the brakes just in time (how many anvils is she going to dodge?) to two separate organizations trying to kill her simultaneously (she's the most targeted person in the world!). It's hard to cheer for someone when she's everyone's enemy.

 

And then Quinn...how can I cheer for him?

 

I want to like someone, but there isn't any virtue on display. Just a bunch of self-important people playing war games with the rest of the world, with no end game in sight and no realistic strategy to improve anything.

 

I should probably stop watching.

[Roseanna]

On ‎13‎.‎10‎.‎2015 at 4:44 PM, jeansheridan said:

I disagree. Saul is still protecting the "homeland". Astrid is protecting Germany. Carrie is protecting her little household of Frannie and new partner. "Homeland" has always been more of a metaphor than purely literal.

I have never used the term "homeland" in my head when I think of the US. I think "America" or "United States" The term "homeland security" has always felt foreign to me. Like Motherland or Fatherland. Just sounds odd to my ear.

I think the title is deliberately anbigious. Carrie, Saul etc. believed that they were protecting homeland when doing operations abroad. But that is precisely what Abu Nazir thought when he made a plan attack the CIA. And that was the motive of the female Pakistani intelligence officer in S4 to oppose the Americans. 

It's hard to believe that recruituing terrorists isn't a crime according to the German law. Or is it only, that they have no methods to prove it?