Episode Discussion: TFGH

[peachmangosteen]

17 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

I'm glad someone brought this idea up, I too have a feeling it's going to turn out Amy 2.0's been scamming Nathan from minute one.  Anyone else?

That would be better than it being real tbh.

[LegalParrot81]

I broke down and recorded yesterday's show to see how they remembered Lee and was not the least bit surprised that they did as little as possible.  While I loved seeing Carly Schroeder, who's grown into a lovely young woman and the interactions of Scott, Serena and Lucy and Laura, it was overall sadly missing everything.  It was sad that they had to play the scenes in a microsized hotel room, where there was apparently no room for Laura to set down her huge bag.  It was sad they couldn't bring themselves to include a  flashback or ten.  It was sad that Morgan got and apparently still get days and days and days of mourning, gnashing for teeth and wailing and Lee Baldwin gets a passing glance.

As for the rest of the show....can't comment, fast forwarded through all of it.

Edited July 15, 2017 by LegalParrot81

[TeeVee329]

4 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

Amy Millennial Edition kept repeating in the early scenes of this story that readers don't want to get advice from a woman; they want to get advice from a smart, gorgeous, sexy man! That doesn't make a lot of sense, because the very title of her column is a pun on "Ask Ann Landers," which ran for about 60 years, and there was "Dear Abby" as well.  Still, that's what they're going with. She can come up with the advice, but she feels she needs a male front.

There's some kind of disconnect going on in this storyline that I can't quite put my finger on, perhaps because I freakin' hate it.  They're trying to be all modern with, "Oooh, a blog.  Oooh, an interview on a podcast.".  But then the name is "Man Landers", which is such an old-timey, vaudevillian joke.

Edited July 15, 2017 by TeeVee329

[dubbel zout]

It's half-baked, for sure. I get they want an attractive face as the image, but as far as the quality of the advice, I don't understand why it matters if the person is good-looking or not. Ask Man Landers is a BLOG. No one sees anyone's face. Who cares? And why does the book need a face? Couldn't keeping ML's identity a secret be part of the promotion? Gah.

The whole thing is so stupid, and it's really irritating that Amy 2.0 is emotionally blackmailing Nathan into doing it. He's at fault for saying yes (and yes and yes...), but they have made a point of him being a very decent, kind person. Amy 2.0 is really gross for abusing his niceness. I fervently hope Maxie shuts her down, but I'm sure it will turn into the retconned "Maxie bullied me in high school so I deserve this" story that's been hinted at.

Edited July 15, 2017 by dubbel zout

[statsgirl]

3 hours ago, tveyeonyou said:

Carly's list of sins is longer than the list of women Sonny has brought to the island, cooked pasta, bought dresses, beat the house at the casino, etc. How is Nelle drugging Sonny and having pretend sex with him worse than what Carly did to AJ, or what Morgan and Kiki did to Michael when they fucked with him over Avery's custody? Curse you Sabrina for talking Michael into giving Avery to Sonny.

Giving Sonny babies he never should be taking care of seems to be a thing with this show.

I think they only way they could save this is to make Carly's overboard targeting of Nelle the result of her grief over losing Morgan and a fear of losing Michael/attempt to focus on her other son to compensate.  But I doubt they will do that, it makes too much sense.

Who Carly should be spending more time worrying about is Joss.  The only person she has to process her grief with is Oscar.

[P3pp3rb1rd]

4 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

I know that Amy is just a kind of character soaps have once in a while, someone who isn't "TV gorgeous" and gets a lot of air time, and then they go back to casting for looks first the other 99 percent of the time.. Or they bring on a "plain" character and you're supposed to await a big transformation, and you can see all along that it's someone beautiful (Teresa Castillo, Nadia Bjorlin). But I like the idea of Amy.   

I agree with you, Asp Burger, that the casting of Amy is a welcome change from the usual cookie-cutter types they like to cast most of the time. I was on Amy's side in the beginning and totally supportive, but worried that she was going to get her heart broken. I like to see how they dress her, and I like how confident she is even though she isn't movie-star perfect. Now that I can see how manipulative she can be, and pushy, I am in two minds about her. Is she manipulative because she is compensating for appearance issues? Or is she a truly toxic person who is using others to get ahead? Is she a liar? Or is she competing using techniques that aren't above-board so she can boost her chances of getting ahead personally and career-wise? I can't figure her out. I am back to finding her interesting again...am not fast-forwarding.

[P3pp3rb1rd]

Isn't Spencer illegitimate? Doesn't he know that? Is he pursuing his vendetta against Valentin despite knowing about his illegitimate status? Since Alexis has agreed to pursue Spencer's case in the civil courts, is she planning to argue that Spencer can inherit in the state of New York even though he is illegitimate and not named specifically in the owner's will? I don't understand what grounds Alexis thinks she has. Can minors sue in civil courts in New York?

[dubbel zout]

50 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I think they only way they could save this is to make Carly's overboard targeting of Nelle the result of her grief over losing Morgan and a fear of losing Michael/attempt to focus on her other son to compensate.  But I doubt they will do that, it makes too much sense.

Even that I think is kind of pushing it, given Carly has always been overinvolved in Michael's life.

53 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Who Carly should be spending more time worrying about is Joss.  The only person she has to process her grief with is Oscar.

I don't get why we aren't seeing more scenes of Carly really trying to talk to Joss about Morgan. We have a decent actor in Eden McCoy, and if they can write it so that Carly shows some sensitivity, there could be some very nice scenes. 

48 minutes ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

Is she manipulative because she is compensating for appearance issues?

No. She's manipulative because she's an asshole who can't leave high school in the past, where it belongs.

[jsbt]

I would assume Nik legitimized Spencer years ago.

I liked Nurse Amy a lot better 15 years ago when Frank hired at OLTL and her name was Marcie and she was played by Kathy Brier. Seeing a rehash of the exact same type forced onto the show does nothing for me because I am very, very familiar with this particular character as created by Frank and the gang. Plus the story sucks and she's obnoxious.

I'm assuming they keep saying "Ask Man Landers" over and over because just "Man Landers" is maybe copyrighted or something? Either way it sounds ridiculous to hear everyone going on about Assman.

Edited July 15, 2017 by jsbt

[nilyank]

I think this stupid Man Landers story won't get resolved until Maxie returns to town. Granted I think a case of miscommunication will happen where Nathan refuses but then agrees for one final interview for Amy and a last minute change has Maxie interviewing Man Landers and finding her husband instead.

I don't know if Nathan was smarter he would have told the blogger that he was happily married to the woman of his dreams when asked about his personal life. Because the fans of Man Landers would be more interested in getting the advice from someone in a successful relationship than some hunk that is playing the field dating numerous women

[Melgaypet]

1 hour ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

Isn't Spencer illegitimate? Doesn't he know that? Is he pursuing his vendetta against Valentin despite knowing about his illegitimate status? Since Alexis has agreed to pursue Spencer's case in the civil courts, is she planning to argue that Spencer can inherit in the state of New York even though he is illegitimate and not named specifically in the owner's will? I don't understand what grounds Alexis thinks she has. Can minors sue in civil courts in New York?

Spencer can pursue a wrongful death lawsuit against Valentin and take his money as damages, if he wins. As Nikolas acknowledged child, I think he can also sue for a share of Nikolas' personal wealth. What his illegitimacy bars him from is the hereditary title of Cassadine Prince and the bulk of the Cassadine estate that is tied to the title, though he can fight for a piece of it in the event that there is no legitimate Prince. Which is the case, unless and until Nikolas is found alive.

Mikkos' will is bullshit.

[statsgirl]

Until Nikolas is found alive.  ;-)

52 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I don't get why we aren't seeing more scenes of Carly really trying to talk to Joss about Morgan. We have a decent actor in Eden McCoy, and if they can write it so that Carly shows some sensitivity, there could be some very nice scenes. 

This limiting Carly for talking endlessly about her sainted Morgan, then being about Sonny and now it's Nelle! Nelle! Nelle! is really boring.  Soaps are supposed to be about family relationships and resonating with the audience on an emotional level.   At this point, Carly is just a witch.

 

50 minutes ago, nilyank said:

I don't know if Nathan was smarter he would have told the blogger that he was happily married to the woman of his dreams when asked about his personal life. Because the fans of Man Landers would be more interested in getting the advice from someone in a successful relationship than some hunk that is playing the field dating numerous women

Dude bros might be interested in a player but anyone who cares enough to write to an Agony Aunt wants to know how to make the relationship work.

Not only is the idea about the storyline stupid, so it the way they're writing it.  A mysterious blogger is more interesting than one who you know no matter how handsome.  And since when do podcasters have that kind of money to pay for an interview?  Even mainstream TV channels would be getting a book promotion interview for free.

[MarciNJ]

 Catcing up on Thursday and Friday shows. Carly's  face is a fright, but her hair has been on point.

Felicia looks great, has she had work done? She should share the name of her doctor....   

And, who was Scott's bio dad?

[Lobsel Vith]

1 hour ago, MarciNJ said:

 Catcing up on Thursday and Friday shows. Carly's  face is a fright, but her hair has been on point.

Felicia looks great, has she had work done? She should share the name of her doctor....   

And, who was Scott's bio dad?

 

I believe his biological father's name was Lloyd, but was already deceased when he came on the show as a child, with his mother and his sister. His mother became involved with Lee, who adopted him.

[MarciNJ]

12 minutes ago, Lobsel Vith said:

 

I believe his biological father's name was Lloyd, but was already deceased when he came on the show as a child, with his mother and his sister. His mother became involved with Lee, who adopted him.

Thanks. I've been watching since 1977 (!!) and that is even before my time.

Didn't Laura specifically tell Spencer that Chandler had to take him straight back to camp, or there would be serious consequences, like he would be fired? Then why was Spencer's next scene in the hospital with Ava?

NB is much better in scenes with adults than with the other kids. Though I totally forgot that Ava had been with Nicholas for the last 5 minutes of his life, and couldn't figure out why Spencer was visiting her

Edited July 15, 2017 by MarciNJ

[Lobsel Vith]

59 minutes ago, MarciNJ said:

Thanks. I've been watching since 1977 (!!) and that is even before my time.

Didn't Laura specifically tell Spencer that Chandler had to take him straight back to camp, or there would be serious consequences, like he would be fired? Then why was Spencer's next scene in the hospital with Ava?

NB is much better in scenes with adults than with the other kids. Though I totally forgot that Ava had been with Nicholas for the last 5 minutes of his life, and couldn't figure out why Spencer was visiting her

 

Spencer is allowed to do a lot of things that a young child shouldn't do (like, technically, almost killing Emma and Cameron when RC was on his bizarre "child romances" kick without anyone really chastising him for it). He left school and ran back to Port Charles as one example. And now he's the nemesis of Valentin by filing a lawsuit against him. I will never pretend to understand the strange decisions made by TIIC.

[MarciNJ]

16 minutes ago, Lobsel Vith said:

 

Spencer is allowed to do a lot of things that a young child shouldn't do (like, technically, almost killing Emma and Cameron when RC was on his bizarre "child romances" kick without anyone really chastising him for it). He left school and ran back to Port Charles as one example. And now he's the nemesis of Valentin by filing a lawsuit against him. I will never pretend to understand the strange decisions made by TIIC.

Oh, yeah, the writing for him is usually terrible.  But I think NB does a better job as an actor with the adults.

[stlbf]

On Thursday, July 13, 2017 at 8:12 AM, Perkie said:

When they retconned it last year to accomodate Valentin, it was now written that Mikkos had updated his will from "his legitimate children will inherit" to "if there are no legitimate children alive, then any illegitimate male will inherit".   Which of course, negates any claim Alexis might have and allows Valentin to inherit everything.  Of course, that doesn't explain why Valentin needed Nik to sign over everything to him if he had legal claim.  

Except Mikkos can't make any changes to the family trust. Because it was supposedly set up a generation or more before him. He just inherited it as the oldest son of his father, who was the beneficiary of the trust. Just as Nik couldn't leave Spencer the Cassadine fortune and the prince title. Nik could leave his own personal fortune to anyone he wants. Spencer, Lulu, Laura, Leslie, Lucky, whoever. But he can't name Spencer the Cassadine prince. The prince title has rules to get that honor. Mikkos also couldn't name any of his spawn as Prince. Oldest son gets the title. If he has no legitimate male heirs, it goes to the next legitimate male. So nothing changes the fact that Valentin is illegitimate. Valentin would be a lot more scary if he had a legitimate claim to the family fortune. There are other members in the Cassadines with claims on the title. Stefan worked to keep them in check. Especially since there were whispers about Nik's legitimacy. 

But nope. The writers just ignore the past and make crap up.

[stlbf]

21 hours ago, Melgaypet said:

Okay. So, no surprise, the Baldwin scenes were woefully short and insufficient - but they got to me. Seeing Lucy, Scott, and Serena together was quite moving. Kin Shriner and Carly Schroeder still have a very believable father-daughter chemistry. And Laura was there, too. (Where is Kevin?)

I find it totally weird that there was not one mention of Christina. Has this poor girl done a reverse Dawn Summers? Because I want to trade her for the SERIAL KILLER. Hell, I would even accept a resurrected Logan - another violent lunatic - in place of Franco. I wish Karen would have gotten a mention, too.

Shut up, Sonny. Just SHUT UP.

Shhh! Karen isn't mentioned since she is living aboard, with Christina and her family. And the Baldwins have a rule of not mentioning their names in PC to protect them from Sonny. That's my belief and I'm sticking to it.

Also, SHUT up Sonny! GTFO! That can never be said enough! 

[dubbel zout]

3 hours ago, MarciNJ said:

I totally forgot that Ava had been with Nicholas for the last 5 minutes of his life, and couldn't figure out why Spencer was visiting her

I was a little grossed out that Ava was talking about how good she and Nik had been together. TMI for a kid, Ava. Just tell him you guys liked each other and you're sorry he's dead. Eesh.

1 hour ago, MarciNJ said:

I think NB does a better job as an actor with the adults.

When they're not writing him as some campy drama queen, I agree.

14 minutes ago, stlbf said:

Valentin would be a lot more scary if he had a legitimate claim to the family fortune.

I don't know why they didn't go this route. He could still be the hunchback Cassadine who was shunned and abused. Some unknown Cassadine cousin could have been Valentin's father, but he was forgotten until all the estate stuff started getting attention. It's not unrealistic at all—that's basically one of the main plots of Pride and Prejudice, FFS.

20 minutes ago, stlbf said:

But nope. The writers just ignore the past and make crap up.

And it's always the exact wrong thing they ignore and the worst crap they make up. It's not that hard to tweak the history for something watchable.

[WendyCR72]

54 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I don't know why they didn't go this route. He could still be the hunchback Cassadine who was shunned and abused. Some unknown Cassadine cousin could have been Valentin's father, but he was forgotten until all the estate stuff started getting attention. It's not unrealistic at all—that's basically one of the main plots of Pride and Prejudice, FFS.

Lumping this version of GH with Pride & Prejudice probably has Jane Austen doing somersaults in her grave!

[jsbt]

Valentin is probably the least intimidating Cassadine I've ever seen. And that's a shame because JPS is a great actor, but they clearly had no idea how to handle this character. The whole 'let's have a shitty location picnic because we're out here filming other people anyway' thing was pathetic even for Frank, but even worse for the two characters involved. A picnic? Really?

[Chairperson Meow]

10 hours ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

Isn't Spencer illegitimate? Doesn't he know that? Is he pursuing his vendetta against Valentin despite knowing about his illegitimate status? Since Alexis has agreed to pursue Spencer's case in the civil courts, is she planning to argue that Spencer can inherit in the state of New York even though he is illegitimate and not named specifically in the owner's will? I don't understand what grounds Alexis thinks she has. Can minors sue in civil courts in New York?

On GH, if you're not fat, then you can do anything.  

[stlbf]

3 hours ago, jsbt said:

Valentin is probably the least intimidating Cassadine I've ever seen. And that's a shame because JPS is a great actor, but they clearly had no idea how to handle this character. The whole 'let's have a shitty location picnic because we're out here filming other people anyway' thing was pathetic even for Frank, but even worse for the two characters involved. A picnic? Really?

It truly is! JPS can play ruthless like nobody's business. Instead we get this hunchback WSB Anna/Alex bullshit and Charlotte being Lulu's kid junk. What a waste of a character!  Valentin supposedly unnerved/frightened Helena. Make him Mikko's nephew or cousin. Which would make him a Cassadine "prince", in line for the title. He should be one of the family's factions that gave Stefan and Nik trouble. Nik's money issues with the Cassadine fortune should've been enough of an excuse for there to be a family coup. 

And the whole Nina marriage should be play for her fortune. To replenish the Cassadine fortune. Instead we get pathetic Valentin. 

Sad. What a waste!

[Auntie Velvet]

On 7/14/2017 at 10:10 AM, tveyeonyou said:

Bobby, knock it off already with the Nelle witch hunt. Carly did way worse things to Bobby and Bobby has never been a Saint. I don't even like Nelle but this is so stupid and I really hope it blows up in her face. 

Since they're exploiting vet history, I'd really love it if Laura could give Nelle the lowdown of young Bobbie. Nelle knows about the prostitution, but I don't think  she knows about soapy stuff like Bobbie getting Scotty drunk and making him think the slept together (sound familiar?), and then pretending to be pregnant so that he and Laura couldn't be together.

[Auntie Velvet]

10 hours ago, MarciNJ said:

NB is much better in scenes with adults than with the other kids. Though I totally forgot that Ava had been with Nicholas for the last 5 minutes of his life, and couldn't figure out why Spencer was visiting her

I was hoping for this scene, given his own experience as a burn victim [where did he recover again? ;) ], but I was shocked when that hand on Ava's actually did turn out to be Spencer's. Sometimes the writers actually play the emotional beats that were there all along.   

[boes]

12 hours ago, stlbf said:

Except Mikkos can't make any changes to the family trust. Because it was supposedly set up a generation or more before him. He just inherited it as the oldest son of his father, who was the beneficiary of the trust. Just as Nik couldn't leave Spencer the Cassadine fortune and the prince title. Nik could leave his own personal fortune to anyone he wants. Spencer, Lulu, Laura, Leslie, Lucky, whoever. But he can't name Spencer the Cassadine prince. The prince title has rules to get that honor. Mikkos also couldn't name any of his spawn as Prince. Oldest son gets the title. If he has no legitimate male heirs, it goes to the next legitimate male. So nothing changes the fact that Valentin is illegitimate. Valentin would be a lot more scary if he had a legitimate claim to the family fortune. There are other members in the Cassadines with claims on the title. Stefan worked to keep them in check. Especially since there were whispers about Nik's legitimacy. 

But nope. The writers just ignore the past and make crap up.

Do the Cassadine titles have any meaning any more?  Since Russia abolished the nobility in the Revolution, does Prince Cassadine have any more meaning than Prince Spaghetti Day?

Though I do grant that Spencer is a royal pain in the ass.

[tveyeonyou]

21 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Giving Sonny babies he never should be taking care of seems to be a thing with this show.

I think they only way they could save this is to make Carly's overboard targeting of Nelle the result of her grief over losing Morgan and a fear of losing Michael/attempt to focus on her other son to compensate.  But I doubt they will do that, it makes too much sense.

Who Carly should be spending more time worrying about is Joss.  The only person she has to process her grief with is Oscar.

All of this. They give them children to use like gambling chips which sucks because they never think ahead, which is partly why all the youngsters are pretty much related to each other in one way or another. Carly really should be worrying about Joss but she's too busy with Sonny's magical penis. I think Sonny is a warlock and he is able to convince all his women that he's really good in bed and has a penis bigger than his ego, none of which is true.

21 hours ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

I agree with you, Asp Burger, that the casting of Amy is a welcome change from the usual cookie-cutter types they like to cast most of the time. I was on Amy's side in the beginning and totally supportive, but worried that she was going to get her heart broken. I like to see how they dress her, and I like how confident she is even though she isn't movie-star perfect. Now that I can see how manipulative she can be, and pushy, I am in two minds about her. Is she manipulative because she is compensating for appearance issues? Or is she a truly toxic person who is using others to get ahead? Is she a liar? Or is she competing using techniques that aren't above-board so she can boost her chances of getting ahead personally and career-wise? I can't figure her out. I am back to finding her interesting again...am not fast-forwarding.

Yeah, I agree with everything up to finding her interesting again. Well almost everything because I no longer think she's above board and I'm now firmly in the camp of manipulating liar who hates Maxie so much she intentionally went after Nathan with this whole Assman thing. If Nathan didn't say he knew her brother I'd swear he was made up just to get to Nathan and his sympathetic good guyness.

20 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

 No. She's manipulative because she's an asshole who can't leave high school in the past, where it belongs.

Like this ^^

20 hours ago, jsbt said:

I liked Nurse Amy a lot better 15 years ago when Frank hired at OLTL and her name was Marcie and she was played by Kathy Brier. Seeing a rehash of the exact same type forced onto the show does nothing for me because I am very, very familiar with this particular character as created by Frank and the gang. Plus the story sucks and she's obnoxious.

I liked Marcie, and Amy 2.0 is no Marcie!

11 hours ago, Chairperson Meow said:

On GH, if you're not fat, then you can do anything.  

Unless you're Amy 2.0, then you can do everything. (I'm not fat-shaming or anything like that, in this overly politically correct climate, snark isn't as easy as it used to be)

7 hours ago, Auntie Velvet said:

Since they're exploiting vet history, I'd really love it if Laura could give Nelle the lowdown of young Bobbie. Nelle knows about the prostitution, but I don't think  she knows about soapy stuff like Bobbie getting Scotty drunk and making him think the slept together (sound familiar?), and then pretending to be pregnant so that he and Laura couldn't be together.

Damn, I forgot about that stuff! This show could really be good if we wrote it. Bobbie is possibly an even bigger hypocrite than Carly. Poor Tony.

Edited July 16, 2017 by tveyeonyou
edited because "every all" makes no sense, plus it was Sonny's fault

[TeeVee329]

12 hours ago, jsbt said:

Valentin is probably the least intimidating Cassadine I've ever seen. And that's a shame because JPS is a great actor, but they clearly had no idea how to handle this character.

Yeah, it's another situation for me kinda like Laura Wright/Carly, where I'm not into/hate the character, but like and appreciate the actor and know they can do more than the garbage they're getting.

[dubbel zout]

10 hours ago, stlbf said:

He should be one of the family's factions that gave Stefan and Nik trouble.

I think he did (offscreen). But once they decided to cast him, we got this pathetic weepy mess.

3 hours ago, boes said:

Do the Cassadine titles have any meaning any more?  Since Russia abolished the nobility in the Revolution, does Prince Cassadine have any more meaning than Prince Spaghetti Day?

The title means something socially, I suppose. There are tons of Europeans running around with titles that are historic but have no legal meaning.

1 hour ago, TeeVee329 said:

14 hours ago, jsbt said:

Valentin is probably the least intimidating Cassadine I've ever seen. And that's a shame because JPS is a great actor, but they clearly had no idea how to handle this character.

Yeah, it's another situation for me kinda like Laura Wright/Carly, where I'm not into/hate the character, but like and appreciate the actor and know they can do more than the garbage they're getting.

We've discussed this before. I think there is a decent argument to be made that today's Carly is a logical extension of the Carly who first blew into Port Charles. It's not necessarily how I wanted to her evolve, but it's not entirely OOC.

Too many of the actors can do more than the garbage they're getting. It's such a waste of talent.

[P3pp3rb1rd]

Bobbie seems to have a real blind spot about her daughter Carly, and is defending Carly and even fighting her battles, such as the Nelle case. Due to her closely entwined relationship with Sonny, Carly has stayed as vindictive as she was in her youth, when she arrived in town to ruin her mother's life and relationship with Tony. This whole campaign that Bobbie has had against Nelle has puzzled me from the get-go. If Bobbie has forgiven Carly for going after Tony, why is Bobbie stirring up Carly against Nelle instead of counseling Carly to forgive and let it go? Michael is a grownup who can date whomever he wants. He's self-supporting and has a set of personal values. Sonny is back with Carly now, and has no meaningful contact with Nelle.

Bobbie's campaign against Nelle is distracting Carly from her problems with Joss. Jax will be back on the scene now, and he will probably support Joss's side if she and Carly continue to battle. So Carly is simultaneously grieving for Morgan, fighting with Nell over Michael, keeping track of Sonny's activities, fighting with Joss, and (soon) fighting with Jax over her issues with Joss.

[Oracle42]

On 7/15/2017 at 10:36 PM, jsbt said:

Valentin is probably the least intimidating Cassadine I've ever seen. And that's a shame because JPS is a great actor, but they clearly had no idea how to handle this character. 

It's embarrassing. They're clearly trying to have it both ways but he's such a mess of a character - he's a cold-blooded killer, AND a doting papa, AND a selfish sociopath who would hire a surrogate for a stranger's stolen egg and deny the woman knowledge of and a relationship with her daughter AND a sad clown, sensitive hunchback AND a WSB dropout, AND a creepy "nice guy" who has held a grudge for three+ decades because the girl he liked wasn't okay with him trying to force a kiss on her AND a romantic soul who just wants to be loooooooved

The idea that this teary-eyed twerp is the man who terrified Helena,  a woman who delighted in Stavros and worshipped Mikkos, is just a nonstarter. And to add insult to injury, this wannabe Cassadine is so in love with basic ass Nina that he performed dentist office music at a public event - which tells you all you need to know about both of them

Edited July 17, 2017 by Oracle42

[Perkie]

19 hours ago, stlbf said:

The prince title has rules to get that honor. Mikkos also couldn't name any of his spawn as Prince. Oldest son gets the title.

Isn't it like the current British monarchy (Queen-Charles-William-George)?   Wouldn't it be; Mikkos-Stavros-Nikolas-Spencer?    Or was Stephan older than Stavros?

[ByaNose]

How did I not know that Steve Burton was 10 years older then Billy Miller?! For some reason, I thought they were the same age. Anyway, I've gotten used to Miller playing Jason and don't care for Burton returning. That said, I think Miller should go back to Y&R to play Billy and Jason Thompson could return to GH to play Patrick. With that done I'm willing to accept Steve Burton returning to play Jason. Although, I think the reason that Rebecca Budig was fired & William DeVry ran into contract issues was due to Burton returning. Whyyyyyyyyyyyy?!?!

[ulkis]

I think WdV was always gonna run into contract issues.

[TeeVee329]

5 hours ago, Oracle42 said:

And to add insult to injury, this wannabe Cassadine is so in love with basic ass Nina that he performed dentist office music at a public event - which tells you all you need to know about both of them

Again, just like with Nelle and Michael, wouldn't it have been a better story if he set out to seduce because, I dunno, he wanted her money, or because he wanted to manipulate her baby rabies in a custody fight with Lulu?  Him falling head-over-heels for her at first bang is lame soap.

Edited July 17, 2017 by TeeVee329

[Melgaypet]

6 hours ago, Perkie said:

Isn't it like the current British monarchy (Queen-Charles-William-George)?   Wouldn't it be; Mikkos-Stavros-Nikolas-Spencer?    Or was Stephan older than Stavros?

Stefan was younger than Stavros. The line of succession went: Mikkos-Stavros-Nikolas. They are all dead (or "dead"), so the title is now defunct. Spencer can't be the prince because he's illegitimate.

[Lobsel Vith]

4 hours ago, ByaNose said:

How did I not know that Steve Burton was 10 years older then Billy Miller?! For some reason, I thought they were the same age. Anyway, I've gotten used to Miller playing Jason and don't care for Burton returning. That said, I think Miller should go back to Y&R to play Billy and Jason Thompson could return to GH to play Patrick. With that done I'm willing to accept Steve Burton returning to play Jason. Although, I think the reason that Rebecca Budig was fired & William DeVry ran into contract issues was due to Burton returning. Whyyyyyyyyyyyy?!?!

 

Do you think TIIC would have any idea on how to write post-Robin Patrick any better than RC did? I imagine he would simply be wasted. And JT might let his hair become a mess again in protest over the awful writing.

 

As for SB, I agree; I'm sure it's expensive to fly him over for his scenes. As for why, maybe it's for the blank stares and blinking.

[boes]

8 hours ago, Perkie said:

Isn't it like the current British monarchy (Queen-Charles-William-George)?   Wouldn't it be; Mikkos-Stavros-Nikolas-Spencer?    Or was Stephan older than Stavros?

But wasn't the Cassidine succession really Mikkos, then Huey, followed by Louey, then Dewey?

Or maybe it just feels that way.....

[stlbf]

8 hours ago, Perkie said:

Isn't it like the current British monarchy (Queen-Charles-William-George)?   Wouldn't it be; Mikkos-Stavros-Nikolas-Spencer?    Or was Stephan older than Stavros?

Tradition says Mikkos-Stavros-Nik. Nik not leaving a legal male heir would mean that it would go to Mikko's next heir, Stefan. But he is dead and left no legal male heirs also. Which would mean that the title would go to the oldest of Mikko's brothers' oldest male heir. And if they had no surviving male heirs, the title would go back to Mikko's Uncles and their male heirs. The oldest of the oldest wins. Some titles can pass down through the female line. But some do not. And I'm pretty sure that as old fashioned as the Cassadines are, they don't care much about female family members as equals. Very patriarchal clan.

[tvgoddess]

On 7/15/2017 at 4:24 PM, MarciNJ said:

And, who was Scott's bio dad?

I read this as Scott Baio's dad and had a freak out for a split second. 

I've taken a 3 week or so hiatus, both from the show and mostly from the board just because I kind of needed the time away. I did tune in to see Friday's show, as several people on my Twitter raved about it. 

I have pretty much zero history with Lee/Scott/Lucy/Serena, but it was nice to see them together although it was tough to watch emotionally. I didn't even know these people and it was still just depressing. But the acting and the chemistry was great. And now having been introduced to Serena, it makes me wonder why she wasn't back years ago. 

They must have heard you guys complaining about Valentin being to weepy because the way he went on during this episode, you would have thought he was talking about his mortal enemy instead of Spencer, a kid who's related to him.

Nicolas Bechtel continues to shine when he's just being himself, a kid. He was excellent in his scenes with Laura, Alexis and especially Ava. They were very sweet scenes, and it was pretty obvious that it was the most warmth and compassion anyone has ever given to Ava in her entire run thus far.

Kiki is on my last damn nerve, and she can get lost with her Sonny worship. Her hair looks really pretty though. Did she get a haircut? 

Ask Man Landers, it should be a fake scheming thing, but the reason I think it isn't is because the stories that I heard that Jelly used to do on other shows were the same type of modern cliche. I don't know, I'm happy to be proved wrong. UO: I also think NP has done a decent job as of late. It really has been his best story.

And I said ages ago that Avery would be given to Sonny permanently and all custody rights taken away from Ava, so score one for me. I guess being drugged and having said child ripped from your womb and then literally crawling on the floor to try and get to her means that Sonny deserves her of course. [/eyeroll]

[dubbel zout]

42 minutes ago, tvgoddess said:

you would have thought he was talking about his mortal enemy instead of Spencer, a kid who's related to him

Right now Spencer is Valentin's mortal enemy. That's what GH has become.

[Cheyanne11]

1 hour ago, tvgoddess said:

And I said ages ago that Avery would be given to Sonny permanently and all custody rights taken away from Ava, so score one for me. I guess being drugged and having said child ripped from your womb and then literally crawling on the floor to try and get to her means that Sonny deserves her of course. [/eyeroll]

Because Morgan.

[dubbel zout]

Also because Sonny is a general asshole. He's not going to let the wimmins have the upper hand when it comes to possessions, er, kids.

[boes]

1 hour ago, tvgoddess said:

I read this as Scott Baio's dad and had a freak out for a split second. 

****DEAD****

Funniest post/thought/nightmare of the day!  TVGODDESS, you did it!!

[LexieLily]

Valentin is threatening a middle-school child in front of his legal guardian/grandmother and not acknowledging that Lulu has custody of Charlotte by telling Charlotte he will see her later. Explain to me how this is someone we are to root for to get custody of this child. 

[TeeVee329]

That scene of Sonny and Carly putting their wedding rings back on was so smurfy.  And irritatingly, we're probably going to have to sit through an actual renewal ceremony for these twits.  SHUT UP ABOUT YOUR RELATIONSHIP!  AND ABOUT MORGAN!

I can't believe Ava had to point out to Andre the conflict of interest given he was Morgan's therapist and helped Sonny unravel her scheme.

WTF with Griffin subbing in for "Dr. Bensch".  Is JDP already done?

[Melgaypet]

7 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

Explain to me how this is someone we are to root for to get custody of this child. 

Is anyone rooting for that? Personally, I've always intellectually believed Lulu deserved custody, but emotionally I just didn't give a damn about any of it, that kid shouldn't exist in the first place. What I root for is this stupid story to stop wasting my time and insulting my intelligence. But then, that applies to the show as a whole.

[dubbel zout]

18 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

And irritatingly, we're probably going to have to sit through an actual renewal ceremony for these twits. 

I haven't see today's ep yet, but was any sort of time table given? We got a somewhat lavish (for current GH) wedding for Olivia and Ned; I can't see Frank opening the wallet for Carly and Sonny to walk down the aisle for the fortieth time. Though given that it's Sonny and Carly, maybe he will. Perhaps this is when SBu makes his first appearance?

1 minute ago, Melgaypet said:

20 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

Explain to me how this is someone we are to root for to get custody of this child. 

Is anyone rooting for that?

I was in the beginning, mostly because Lulu was being so completely unreasonable. She wanted instant custody before Charlotte had even been told about Lulu being her mother, and then she got all pissy when the visitation included a social worker to help Charlotte adjust. Now I'm Team DeadCharlotte, because as much as I like the little actress, this story is a giant waste of time and will only go nowhere.

[P3pp3rb1rd]

• Groan! Ava is being forced out of the hospital at about the same time that Sam is reaching the height of her Sonny hallucinations. I can see the handwriting on the wall. Ava just can't catch a break.
• Was the re-ringing ceremony the last we are going to hear of the CarSon vow renewal? I hope so. I can't think of anyone else who cares about that couple. Carly's revengeful fury at Ava is getting so old and hard to take, especially in the light of Carly's past. 
• Spencer had every right to tell Charlotte about Valentin killing his father. But whoever is kidnapping Spencer had better remember that infamous story of Red Chief. (It will be a nightmare for the kidnappers.)
• So Auntie's out-of-control behavior is a result of her sexual frustration and nesting deprivation? These wimmins and their wacky hormones....
• I'm on my last nerve with Sam's neuro condition. If the show is trying to suggest a brain tumor, they need to go study up on the symptoms. My sister had a bonafide brain tumor, and she suffered bad headaches and a lot of nausea, vomiting, and dizziness, and one of her eyes wandered (wouldn't stay focused.) The sufferers also collapse when trying to walk.  She did not have hallucinations. Whatever Sam has is not a garden variety brain tumor.