Episode Discussion: TFGH

[Star Aristille]

Spencer just needs the right authority figure to check him.  Nikolas was one of the only three able to do that.  Surprisingly, Hayden is another who can do that.  The third of these people was Helena.  I still remember when he first met her and at first treated her badly, but then looked like he wanted to piss himself when he found out who she was.  After that, he didn't dare step out of line with her.

Laura could easily be the fourth to do so.  But she needs put down a firmer hand where he's concerned.

[ulkis]

I don't think Nikolas was able to check Spencer. Unfortunately. Or I guess he just didn't do it very often.

[P3pp3rb1rd]

6 hours ago, LexieLily said:

Rocco was super-cute letting Charlotte put in the last puzzle piece.

I love the way the show was making sweet genuine Rocco be the foil to bratty Spencer. Lulu and Dante are raising a loving, gentle, honest, cooperative, healthy young man, compared to Spencer's hot-house upbringing with a neglectful, preoccupied father (Nicholas) and an elitist Swiss boarding school. Spencer is sarcastic, precocious, and manipulative already. He's gonna be a handful for Laura and Kevin.

Edited June 17, 2017 by P3pp3rb1rd

[P3pp3rb1rd]

4 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Thank Jasus for Spinelli. It's a little weird to fly him in for something he could probably do long-distance, but for Franco to be involved?  NO, NO, NO. NO, NO, NO. NO, NO, NO. NO, NO, NO. NO, NO, NO.

• Spinelli is always annoying but also cute because he knows he doesn't fit in and he feels apologetic about it...reminds me of Sheldon on the Big Bang Theory.
• I was so very grateful that we saw a real psychiatrist working with Jake, instead of pseudo "art therapist" Freako with no credentials and a creepy look with greasy hair.

[P3pp3rb1rd]

4 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

And again, wouldn't a feud between Spencer/Cassadine scions Spencer and Charlotte be potentially interesting/soapy if they weren't little kids?  YES!

My first thought upon seeing them shooting dark looks at each other is that they will turn out to be a supercouple in the end, like Darcy and Elizabeth in Pride and Prejudice. Ugh.

[P3pp3rb1rd]

Liz was snoopy and inappropriate when she was grilling Rachel about being pregnant--"Do you WANT this baby?" "Is it FINN's?" Rude and insensitive, especially since Liz has three kids, the women are sisters, and this baby is Rachel's first.

[TVbitch]

Can these people not interact with children without it involving buying junk food treats, going to the vending machine for candy, raiding the kitchen for snacks, or constantly making brownies or waffles, etc. In this episode alone, Laura, Liz, Rachel, Lulu and Dante were all offering up food treats to soothe some kind of uncomfortable situation. Don't they know there is a freaking obesity epidemic! :)

PS. Borg 1 versus Borg 2 fight must have taken forfuckingever cuz it started while Sam was at the Metro Court talking to Kevin, but she drove over to the hospital and rushed in with the cops while it was still happening. 

Edited June 17, 2017 by TVbitch

[In2You]

21 hours ago, stlbf said:

Wait. How old is Amy supposed to be? Maxie/Lulu/Dillon set should be in their later 20s. Maxie has a toddler. Hell, Lulu somehow has a 10 yr kid. Dillon has been in the film industry. Amy 2.0 is supposed to be that age now? Or is she a new nurse who is a roomie with a 21ish Kristina? Who most definitely did not go to school anytime close to the Jones' girls. Pick a sob story and get with it, hack writers! Also, Amy should be in deep shit with her fellow nurses since she went back to work after being cut and the whole work stoppage happened. Rats aren't well liked.

Maxie/Lulu/Dillion are in their early 30s not late 20s so I guess that puts Amy in her 30s as well which makes this even more pathetic. Amy is a grown ass woman still harping on her high school years. Kristina is not 21ish. She was 21 like 4-5 years ago on the show. She's at the very least about 25 they just write her young and immature like everyone else on this show. 

[ciarra]

Does Sonny know that his Jason has his ankles locked around another guy?

[LexieLily]

Did I hear it correctly that Spencer is bunking with Rocco at Lulu's and Laura is in a room with Charlotte? Now I am doubly glad Laura agreed to move in with Kevin.

[statsgirl]

3 hours ago, ulkis said:

I don't think Nikolas was able to check Spencer. Unfortunately. Or I guess he just didn't do it very often.

Nicholas was the one who created the monster that Spencer now is by indulging him because he was so "cute"

I'm far from being Spencer's fan but I had a moment of sympathy for him when he threw the puzzle pieces on the ground.  That seemed to me more a like a troubled child than a spoiled one.  I wouldn't wish him on anyone as nice as Kevin but maybe living with a psychiatrist is what he needs.

I'm really tired of people indulging him and fed up with Laura saying that he has every right to hate Valentine for taking away everything from him.  Valentine can be blamed for Spencer losing his father but he still has his grandmother and other family members.  I think of the refugee children, who lost not only family members but their country, their life and their language.  Let's put things in perspective.

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Kevin, I love you and Laura, but I'm so sorry you're going to be saddled with a little shit like Spencer.

Yeah, there is that.  I hope that Kevin is finally going to discipline him properly.  But then Spencer will go crying to Laura, who will take his side, and she and Kevin will break up.  I can't see this coming out well.

On 2017-06-14 at 9:42 PM, P3pp3rb1rd said:

Anna/Alex was completely inappropriate with her pressure on Lulu to let Charlotte see the video. Maybe it has some secret messages in French on it? Anna should just butt out. She is not related to Charlotte and she has no jurisdiction over raising Charlotte. Lulu has everything to lose by agreeing to Anna's request.

I think it wasn't Anna's place to pressure Lulu but Lulu was behaving very badly just then.  She was in her baby rabies mode, thinking that she could swallow Charlotte whole and completely eliminate Valentine from her life.

I'm surprised that the show handled it so well in the end.  As Anna said, it's not about her or Lulu, it's about Charlotte and what Charlotte needed was to hear the message from her father and know that he loves her.  Spencer still has his grandmother, cousins, aunt and uncle Sonn but at this point, with Nina moving on and Valentine away indefinitely, Charlotte has no one but a bunch of strangers.

Edited June 17, 2017 by statsgirl

[P3pp3rb1rd]

46 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I'm far from being Spencer's fan but I had a moment of sympathy for him when he threw the puzzle pieces on the ground.  That seemed to me more a like a troubled child than a spoiled one.  I wouldn't wish him on anyone as nice as Kevin but maybe living with a psychiatrist is what he needs.

I'm really tired of people indulging him and fed up with Laura saying that he has every right to hate Valentine for taking away everything from him.  Valentine can be blamed for Spencer losing his father but he still has his grandmother and other family members.  I think of the refugee children, who lost not only family members but their country, their life and their language.  Let's put things in perspective.

Wow this post is truly insightful. I want to give it a beautiful one-of-a-kind dress of expensive material handmade in Paris, Statsgirl.

Edited June 17, 2017 by P3pp3rb1rd

[dr. gailey]

I normally hate Spencer, but today his bad ass cracked me up. I fully understand his Charlotte and Quasimodo hate. Forget her feelings.  She can blame her whiny ass dad for that shit. Anna was wrong for trying to lay that guilt trip on Lulu about watching that video. You know who else would have loved to see a video from their parent saying how much they loved them. Spencer. He doesn't get that luxury due to Quasimodo.

I am laughing at him giving Laura hell. Look at the hoops she pushed Lulu to get along with Quasimodo for the sake of Charlotte. Yet his father, her son dies at the hands of Quasimodo. He tried to kidnap Spencer and she sends his ass off to boarding school supposedly to keep him safe. Was she going to send for him now that Quasi is locked up? I am sure Spencer is looking at all the attention Charlotte is getting and wondering why no one is twisting themselves in knots to show him all that love.

This shit reminds me of how Sam has to swallow her feelings about Franco for the sake of Jake because he likes him and supposedly helps him. Why are his feelings more important than hers. Hell his ass has hurt Jason's other son as well and no one gives a damn about his or Aiden's feelings.

I also give no fucks how much of a hypocrite Sam looks for hating Julian. I am glad she gets to hate someone after all the bullshit that has happened to her in the past few years. That fool couldn't pick up a phone to call her mom or husband to tell them a crazy bitch kidnapped her and almost cost her and her baby their lives. Her illness is acting like a truth serum and letting her say realistic shit she should have said years ago. This is the only thing I am interested in on this show.

[Kim0820]

18 hours ago, Oracle42 said:

Is it PTSD/PPD if it's cumulative? Given Sam's history and the shenanigans surrounding the birth/death of her first child - I can understand why she'd reject the idea that that one experience with Olivia would result in PTSD. Griffin didn't know her history, so he didn't present the idea as the result of years of cumulative trains - as the back-breaking straw, she might've been a little more receptive to that

Probably because Julian terrorized and attempted to murder her mother and actively endangered both of them and her unborn child by refusing to warn them about Olivia

 

 

But then Jason once threatened to kill her.  Maybe that precedent justifies Julexis being able to make up, too. 

 

7 hours ago, TVbitch said:

 

PS. Borg 1 versus Borg 2 fight must have taken forfuckingever cuz it started while Sam was at the Metro Court talking to Kevin, but she drove over to the hospital and rushed in with the cops while it was still happening. 

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Yes, it was as if she teleported to the hospital.  Kevin also showed up quickly at the Lante house.  

[ulkis]

9 hours ago, dr. gailey said:

I am sure Spencer is looking at all the attention Charlotte is getting and wondering why no one is twisting themselves in knots to show him all that love.

While I agree with your overall post, I think they have been going out of their way to show him they love him. He got the old "hey! we're both favorites of the EP!" welcome wagon from Sonny, Hayden was pleased to see him, they showed that he was included in all the activities with the other kids - he went on a walk with them, when Spencer went to play the puzzle they weren't like "oh you want to join" it was "oh you've finally decided to join us". The only person to not join in on the "we love you Spencer" tour is Liz, Jake, and Aidan. (I know Liz was in that scene with Laura/Spencer/Hayden  . . . . did she say hello to Spencer?)

Edited June 17, 2017 by ulkis

[dubbel zout]

16 hours ago, ulkis said:

I don't think Nikolas was able to check Spencer. Unfortunately. Or I guess he just didn't do it very often.

Everyone has indulged that little turd, because they find his precociousness so "amusing." And they feel sorry that his idiotic mother died so young. And that he's been in danger for most of his life. The excuses are endless. This is what happens when no one sets boundaries.

2 hours ago, ulkis said:

While I agree with your overall post, I think they have been going out of their way to show him they love him.

Same here. Spencer gets plenty of affection. He was just mad he wasn't the constant center of attention. Well, suck it up, Buttercup. The world doesn't revolve around you. I wrote earlier (maybe in this very thread) that Spencer's insecurities about Charlotte would be a lot more affecting if he hadn't been saddled with being such a precocious little shit. We rarely get a look at any vulnerability, which is what I think they're trying to show now. But for me it's very ineffective. As always, the show is trying to have it both ways, with Spencer being a lovable scamp whom no one can bear to discipline because he's just so adorable AND the scared, lonely orphan who's afraid he'll never have a permanent home again. They haven't done nearly nough work on the second part for it to be believable, IMO.

[Vella]

8 hours ago, Kim0820 said:

But then Jason once threatened to kill her.  Maybe that precedent justifies Julexis being able to make up, too.

And let's not forget where her bond with Sonny began. With him carjacking her at gunpoint and taking her hostage. So she can sit down and shut up times TWO.

[Asp Burger]

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(I know Liz was in that scene with Laura/Spencer/Hayden  . . . . did she say hello to Spencer?)

As I remember it, she did warmly greet him [checked YouTube: yes, they hugged], but the story on page one was supposed to a reminder of his and Cameron's dislike for each other, and then the setup for Rebecca Budig's Big Day.

I do like Nicolas Bechtel, and I think most of the actors in this story, child and adult, are doing nice work. It's just messy storytelling that's trickling down, if that makes any sense. They brought on the Valentin character in a horribly ill-judged way, and now they have to write Spencer and Charlotte and Laura and everyone in Valentin's wake in a way that makes some kind of sense, and it's all over the place.   

Edited June 18, 2017 by Asp Burger

[ulkis]

17 minutes ago, Asp Burger said:

As I remember it, she did warmly greet him [checked YouTube: yes, they hugged]

Thanks! So basically all of Spencer's family on the show have welcomed him, except Cameron. 

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

As always, the show is trying to have it both ways, with Spencer being a lovable scamp whom no one can bear to discipline because he's just so adorable AND the scared, lonely orphan who's afraid he'll never have a permanent home again.

Yeah. For example, I can understand Spencer being mean to Charlotte, even though obviously he shouldn't be so, but telling Lulu that Rocco's mouth-breathing is annoying? He's old enough to know better and there's no reason for his inner pain to say Rocco's snoring is annoying. He's too old for that to be some innocent, funny remark.

[statsgirl]

If Rocco is mouth breathing/snoring at his age, it's time for his loving parent to take him to see an ENT specialist because there's probably a problem with his tonsils and adenoids.  Too bad there isn't a doctor on the show.

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

the scared, lonely orphan who's afraid he'll never have a permanent home again.

Other than the moment when he turned over the puzzle, they're not not playing that note at all.  Even when he asked "What about me?" when Laura she was going to move in with Kevin seemed more demanding than worried.  (Maybe if they had written him saying "But what's going to happen to me?" in a scared voice it might have been more sympathetic.)  Instead of complaining about Rocco, he should be trying to be extra nice so that he can stay in Port Charles instead of being sent away again.  Instead of fighting with Cameron, he should be trying to be nice to him because Spencer has lost too many people in his life.

The "scared, lonely child who's afraid [she'll] never have a permanent home again" should be Charlotte, which makes Spencer attacking her all the worse.

[ulkis]

44 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

If Rocco is mouth breathing/snoring at his age, it's time for his loving parent to take him to see an ENT specialist because there's probably a problem with his tonsils and adenoids.  Too bad there isn't a doctor on the show.

Lulu said only when he gets a cold. I don't know if that would still be a problem.

Edited June 17, 2017 by ulkis

[Oracle42]

Given the ridiculous number of babies/children FV/RC/Jelly have added, why doesn't this show have a pediatrician? Given the near constant and canvas-wide baby rabies why is that the OB a special guest instead of a contract character? 

I think they know nobody wants to watch these stupid baby/small child stories and they're just too lazy creatively bankrupt to do anything else

Edited June 18, 2017 by Oracle42

[statsgirl]

Or even a family doctor instead of these expensive neurosurgeons and infectious disease specialists that are only useful in sweeps periods.

37 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Lulu said only when he gets a cold. I don't know if that would still be a problem.

I think it depends on how often Rocco gets colds, which of course we don't know.  (I just went with a friend and her daughter.  The decision rule is infections monthly for four months or sleep apnea (snoring and mouth breathing).  Friend's daughter has both so tonsils are coming out in July.)

[lor]

the best this show can come up with for nathan is to worry about amy who he has known for a minute. why isnt he invrstigating who his dad is,or helping dante with investating ava.

where was amy for the past for the 15 years? if she was in high school with dillon and Maxie why have never heard of her?

 was she in the other side of school like minkus on boy meets world.

what is this costa want with jake? the chimera is gone. was he ordered to kill a little kid?  it's so stupid.

[P3pp3rb1rd]

6 hours ago, lor said:

what is this costa want with jake? the chimera is gone. was he ordered to kill a little kid?  it's so stupid.

Costa seems like a way to continue the Helena chimera story to prop the Sam and Jason danger story. Even if Helena is deceased, she apparently was able to have brains altered so she can still appear in hallucinations and create havoc. Maybe Sam is sensing this power of Helena's as danger. It sure is a confusing story. I don't know what has suddenly undermined Sam's sanity, but I wonder if she is going to act out soon and shoot somebody while she is hallucinating.

Spoiler

Uh oh apparently I am having visions like Olivia now. Apparently Sam IS going to act out violently during one of her hallucinations. And the whole Sam-goes-nuts story arc is a redemption and glorification of greasy Franco too. I just CAN'T! Franco has been creepy and borderline no matter how cured and adorable he is supposed to be now. Franco cannot be redeemed as a moral ethical good guy EVER as far as I am concerned! GH just can't have its cake and eat it too regarding serial killer-rapist Freako. Such a sick story line, in my opinion. Like Sonny, Freako is going to get away with any and all kinds of sins, crime, and psychopath behavior (especially toward women). And a woman is apparently going to sink to his level to redeem him!

Edited June 18, 2017 by P3pp3rb1rd
added spoiler

[stlbf]

Spencer is allowed to be angry with Charlotte for her father. Especially since the man "killed" his father and got away with it. Sure, it isn't fair to blame Charlotte for her father's crimes. But what kid would be hunky dory with living with some supposed new relation, whose parent murdered your parent? Laura, Lulu and Dante should've known and brought this up the moment Charlotte and Spencer were going to be spending time together. 

I would pay almost any amount of money to ret con Sam's paternity to Kevin. ANY AMOUNT. Danny's blood compatibility could just be coincidence. Or maybe Kevin and Julian have secret family relationship. Maybe Julian isn't a true Jerome. I don't care. Just fix it. 

[LexieLily]

31 minutes ago, stlbf said:

I would pay almost any amount of money to ret con Sam's paternity to Kevin. ANY AMOUNT. Danny's blood compatibility could just be coincidence. Or maybe Kevin and Julian have secret family relationship. Maybe Julian isn't a true Jerome. I don't care. Just fix it. 

Re: Kevin being a father. Does Christina exist in GH-canon? He made a comment to Sam and then his laughing comment to Laura about how "that's what parenthood is, it's a marathon; it never ends" that made it sound like he had first-hand experience.

[stlbf]

23 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

Re: Kevin being a father. Does Christina exist in GH-canon? He made a comment to Sam and then his laughing comment to Laura about how "that's what parenthood is, it's a marathon; it never ends" that made it sound like he had first-hand experience.

Who knows? The Port Charles gh verse past hasn't been completely whitewashed. But recently only Serena has been mentioned by name with Lucy and Scott. But when Kevin and Lucy first came by on GH, Kevin had mentioned sending "the girls" back to Scott when Lucy's mental state was poor. It would be a crime lose a non blood related kid on this show. We need more that Emma on this show.

[dubbel zout]

12 hours ago, stlbf said:

Spencer is allowed to be angry with Charlotte for her father.

Of course he is. But that doesn't give him permission to be a little turd to her or anyone else.

[ulkis]

Plus, they didn't force him to live with Charlotte. He's the one who came to them.

[LexieLily]

Spencer, your grandmother is in her fifties and I'm sure she doesn't appreciate you asking her boyfriend if his intentions are honorable or if they are merely having a casual fling. That is where Laura needs to stand up and tell Kevin she's so sorry and she will have to call him later, because she is taking Spencer home until he can learn boundaries and appropriate conversation. I know she stopped him after the marriage question but it shouldn't have gotten to that point. Laura and Kevin don't need to explain or defend their relationship to her tweenage grandson.  

I liked Kevin's answer that they had both been married before and weren't going to rush and noted that it wasn't exactly a no, it was more of a when-we-are-both-ready. Imagine that! A couple on a soap opera taking their time to date and to live together before they consider marriage!

[Linny]

Griffin has an enormous amount of patience for even bothering to talk to Sonny about their faith. The only time Sonny gives a shit about Catholicism are the three seconds a year he feels guilt and hopes prayer will absolve him. He's not going to be a daily practicing Catholic and try to forgive Ava because that would interrupt his reprisal of "Morgan was so good but so tortured and the bitch must pay." 

Now that Griffin's disgusted by Sonny and is showing kindness to Ava, can he nurse her back to health and fall in love with her? They had nice chemistry when we saw them a while back, and he could help her on her path to redemption. It's the perfect makings of a good soapy love story.

"I don't live my life to please my mother." Oh, Michael, honey, that's big talk from someone who races to Carly's side whenever she snaps her fingers. Get back to me when you're actually ready to be an adult and own your shit.

Spencer was halfway tolerable today. It's got to be the magic of Kevin, his kindness and charm managing to temper Spencer's annoying tendencies.

[dubbel zout]

16 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

Laura and Kevin don't need to explain or defend their relationship to her tweenage grandson.  

Since Laura and Spencer are going to be living with Kevin, I don't think it's out of line to talk to Spencer a bit about their relationship. But for him to act as if he's the head of the family is ridiculous. Shut up, Spencer.

Edited June 19, 2017 by dubbel zout

[Cheyanne11]

15 minutes ago, Linny said:

"I don't live my life to please my mother." Oh, Michael, honey, that's big talk from someone who races to Carly's side whenever she snaps her fingers. Get back to me when you're actually ready to be an adult and own your shit.

Does Carly know that?  Because she seems to believe EVERYONE in her life is put on this earth to please her.

[lor]

what is the point of griffin being Duke's son? duke is dead. griffin should have been the son of someone who is alive.

noone on this show ever goes to church unless its a funeral or a wedding.if sonny is such a great Catholic why is he never at a church?

michael is dating his moms sister. gross. give him a girlfriend who is not related.

[dubbel zout]

If Sam would just talk honestly to someone instead of pretending nothing's wrong while snapping at everyone. Ugh.

And then there's Ava with her "kill me know" attitude. But a big LOL at her perfectly manicured hands. And LOL at the blocking when Pip was changing Ava's bandages. How convenient to have that monitor right there.

5 minutes ago, Linny said:

Griffin has an enormous amount of patience for even bothering to talk to Sonny about their faith.

He isn't going to change Sonny's mind. I don't know why the show continues to write these scenes. It's insulting when they have Sonny say, "You know I respect our faith." and he's a thuggish killer responsible for massive amounts of anguish to dozens of people. And he doesn't care until it affects him or his family. Sonny's one to be talking about having a soul.

And while I get that Griffin has complicated feelings toward Julian, it's a bit rich for him to get snippy with Julian when he talks about atonement. TFGH, of course. Julian is the evulest evul who ever evuled. Sonny? He's just misunderstood.

5 minutes ago, lor said:

michael is dating his moms sister.

Not really. There's no biological connection, and Carly was out of the Benson house long before Nelle was even born.

[P3pp3rb1rd]

Kevin and Laura found it awkward to discuss their relationship with Spencer today because the situation was indeed awkward. They haven't thought it through with Spencer in the mix. He's going to be horning in  and speaking out of turn constantly when all three live together, just like a bratty teenager. Laura and Spencer should live by themselves until Kevin decides to pop the question to Laura. Front-loading their relationship with the kid will lead to a mine field of problems.

Michael and Nell still have no chemistry.

[Sake614]

Sam: Jason, you almost got yrouself killed. What the hell were you thinking?

Billy Miller:I've been asking myself that very question since I first joined this show. 

[Darklazr]

4 hours ago, lor said:

what is the point of griffin being Duke's son? duke is dead. griffin should have been the son of someone who is alive.

noone on this show ever goes to church unless its a funeral or a wedding.if sonny is such a great Catholic why is he never at a church?

michael is dating his moms sister. gross. give him a girlfriend who is not related.

This!  Dr. Griffin Munro Scorpio the son of Mac or Robert would have worked so much better.  Griffin could have come to town with letters from his deceased mother that identify either Mac or Robert as the father.  Sheesh.  I think this show constantly brings on new characters without any rhyme or reason and then want to fix shit that the messed up in the first place.

Bhwhahahaah.  So much for the so called "ride and die" chick that could handle Jason's life and now she's acting really scared.  Boo fucking hoo!  

[Happywatcher]

Spencer the character is really annoying. I wish my chef's knife was as pretty as Sam's

[Perkie]

4 hours ago, Linny said:

It's the perfect makings of a good soapy love story.

In the hands of good writers.  With this regime, it will turn into something stupid.

[Originalroux]

I watched the last two episodes back to back today and appreciate all the comments here for their depth and sincerity; especially those whose comments are critical. With me, I've appreciated the stories but have been staring at the minutiae:

 

a) every time I see Charlotte I think she looks more like Claudette than Lulu.  Did Charlotte ever have a DNA test to confirm parentage?

 

b) why is Ava and the (I presume) GH burn unit next to a vending machIne?  I kept waiting for Jake to come in looking for his Choco peanut crunchies. I couldn't watch the action on the screen because I was trying to figure out what that machine was supposed to be.

 

c)  Rocco is so accepting of Charlotte and her new 'favorite child' status - I'm waiting for him to go all Jake 2.0 v.1 on her when Lulu and Dante aren't working

 

d) I don't even care about Sam and her delusions. Just make it stop!

[Bringonthedrama]

On 6/16/2017 at 9:57 PM, P3pp3rb1rd said:

Liz was snoopy and inappropriate when she was grilling Rachel about being pregnant--"Do you WANT this baby?" "Is it FINN's?" Rude and insensitive, especially since Liz has three kids, the women are sisters, and this baby is Rachel's first.

Rachel was a nasty bitch to Liz previously about her 3 kids, and them being without a dad.  Then she shows up at the hospital, and asks Liz in front of Cam if she can take her "nephew" out since she has the day off (so she can have a brief experiment at mommyhood, but doesn't share that part with Liz).  And then brings Spencer along on her "day with Cam", doesn't talk about it privately with Liz or Cam, doesn't know nor care that the boys don't get along. As far as we know, has expressed zero interest in getting to know Cam before.  Even aside from the "bastards" comment about Liz's children, since she used Liz's kid to "test the waters" regarding children, Liz is not really out of line for questioning her about wanting the baby. In Liz's shoes, I'd be wondering if the woman would give birth, take the baby home, then decide she can't really handle parenthood and leave it on Liz 's doorstep for her and Gram Audrey to raise the kid because "we're family - you're already a mom. You can totally handle another kid. Thanks. Bye!"  

Edited June 20, 2017 by Bringonthedrama

[stlbf]

9 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Of course he is. But that doesn't give him permission to be a little turd to her or anyone else.

It isn't like he came up and started hitting Charlotte. He just said that he was not happy with these living arrangements. As far as Spencer is concerned, she is a thief. She was living in "HIS" home, riding his pony and living his life. While he lost his lone parent, was almost kidnapped and murdered by her beloved Papa and lost his home. He was just snippy and bratty. And everyone pretending that nothing has happened between the family is making it worse. Therapy could do wonders for Spencer, Charlotte and Rocco. (the oddly blonde child of Dante)

7 hours ago, ulkis said:

Plus, they didn't force him to live with Charlotte. He's the one who came to them.

It isn't like Spencer can get a room at the Metrocourt. He lives with his custodial guardian, Laura. Who happens to be staying with Lulu and Dante. Who just got Charlotte. Spencer came home for the summer (at the very least).

6 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Since Laura and Spencer are going to be living with Kevin, I don't think it's out of line to talk to Spencer a bit about their relationship. But for him to act as if he's the head of the family is ridiculous. Shut up, Spencer.

Well, with old fashioned Spencer, he like of is. He is the "man" of his house with Laura. It is kind of cute for him to be interested in Laura's well being. Lucky isn't around and his father is dead. Dante doesn’t count. And right now he barely tolerates Cameron, so he takes it upon himself to watch out for his grandmother. 

And yeah, I don't have a problem with Liz asking questions about HateChel her spawn. HateChel said some absolutely nasty things to Liz about her kids. So Liz asking if Finn was the father and if she was keeping her spawn isn't all that rude to me. Liz barely knows HateChel except for her gold digging, scams, her being bitchy. So her questioning about HateChel's plans, isn't outrageous. 

Edited June 20, 2017 by stlbf

[LexieLily]

44 minutes ago, stlbf said:

And everyone pretending that nothing has happened between the family is making it worse. Therapy could do wonders for Spencer, Charlotte and Rocco. (the oddly blonde child of Dante)

Everyone involved in this entire situation - Lulu, Valentin, Charlotte, Nina, Dante, Laura, Rocco, Spencer, even peripheral family members or family-adjacent like Olivia F. and Kevin - could use therapy. Or at the very least some sessions where some of the lesser-heard players (Dante!) can finally have a voice.

[ciarra]

"Let's get married July 1st!" 

Seriously?  What's the rush? 

[P3pp3rb1rd]

So did Ned gently tell Olivia that Leo's last name should stay as it is, rather than an adoption and the new last name of "Quartermaine"? If so, I'm glad.

Wow it's the quiet ones ya gotta watch! Sam sneaking into the JaSam bedroom with a huge butcher knife, and slipping it under the pillows....what if Danny found it there?

I hope that Laura and Kevin's relationship works out. Laura deserves a long term normal relationship with a mature man after her nightmare years with rapist Puke.

[Asp Burger]

Was Monday's show the "theological discussion" that was hyped in advance, and was supposed to have some of Maurice and Matt Cohen's best acting ever? If so, I am underwhelmed, because I felt I've seen similar scenes with Sonny and Griffin almost every time they've been in the same room.  

[Perkie]

6 hours ago, ciarra said:

"Let's get married July 1st!" 

Seriously?  What's the rush? 

So they can present a united marital front when Julian comes knocking.  

I missed why Diane couldn't represent Olivia.  She said conflict of interest but how?  She's not Julian's lawyer.  

4 minutes ago, Asp Burger said:

I felt I've seen similar scenes with Sonny and Griffin almost every time they've been in the same room.  

Not only that but it seemed to come out of nowhere.  Griffin caught Sonny in Ava's room, like two weeks ago.  Now he shows up to yell at Sonny?  Not that I minded since I'm fine with anyone yelling at Sonny, but I prefer cute sweet Griffin who played with Jake rather than dour sour puss Griffin who's trying to get a career thug to see the error of his ways.  

[stlbf]

3 hours ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

So did Ned gently tell Olivia that Leo's last name should stay as it is, rather than an adoption and the new last name of "Quartermaine"? If so, I'm glad.

I hope that Laura and Kevin's relationship works out. Laura deserves a long term normal relationship with a mature man after her nightmare years with rapist Puke.

He pretty much pointed out that she has custody and Julian has visitation at her say so. Why go to court and risk Julian getting more? Ned points out that Julian is going to go on trial and if he goes to prison, then Olivia can head to court and ask a judge to strip Julian of his parental rights.  And he pointed out that he had his father's last name and it never made Larry Ned's real parental figure. He said that no matter what, Leo will know that Ned loves him.

The whole Laura, Kevin and Spencer scenes were pretty cute. Spencer was concerned about Kevin and what it all means to Spencer's (and Laura's ) life. That actually makes sense for a kid to worry/wonder about. The kid doesn't want to be around the daughter of his father's killer. (and the man also tried to kidnap Spencer, too! I can understand. )

2 hours ago, Perkie said:

So they can present a united marital front when Julian comes knocking.  

I missed why Diane couldn't represent Olivia.  She said conflict of interest but how?  She's not Julian's lawyer.  

Not only that but it seemed to come out of nowhere.  Griffin caught Sonny in Ava's room, like two weeks ago.  Now he shows up to yell at Sonny?  Not that I minded since I'm fine with anyone yelling at Sonny, but I prefer cute sweet Griffin who played with Jake rather than dour sour puss Griffin who's trying to get a career thug to see the error of his ways.  

Being a married couple can only help any case for concerning Leo. Fourth of July is a fun date for a wedding.

I guess Diane isn't available due to Alexis being Julian's attorney in the matter. And Diane is Alexis' law partner. Conflict of interest. 

I'm thrilled that Griffin has to remind Sonny that the Church frowns upon murdering people. I only wish that Griffin realizes that having to keep reminding Sonny of this tenet of his alleged important religion might mean that Sonny isn't some wayward lamb. The man is a dangerous thug. And should be treated as such.