Episode Discussion: TFGH

[dubbel zout]

5 hours ago, Perkie said:

Doesn't explain why Charlotte so easily believed that first Nathan than Griffin were her father if she already had a father.  

Because the plot demanded it. That's the only explanation. It makes me wonder how many different writers were involved in the story, because clearly no one had an overall arc in mind.

5 hours ago, Perkie said:

The story that the Cassadines, especially Helena was scared of Valentin doesn't jive with Igor the hunchback stutterer who was at the WSB

Shh, we're supposed to forget this part.

[OnceSane]

6 hours ago, Perkie said:

 Of my gosh this made me laugh.  Are you saying you didn't like how the 50 something year old woman cut out photos of her face and Elmer glued them on top of someone else's face

Elmer's glue?  I wish…  It looked like she used masking tape to create her photo shrine.

[Perkie]

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This is all so true and Lulu should be coming off as undoubtedly and completely sympathetic and rootable in this story.

 I'm starting to think it has to do with ER's maternity leave. They need to write Lulu out for a couple of months so why not make her go cucoo for cocoa puffs over Charlotte, which would allow the show to stick Lulu in Ferncliff for the length of ER's mat leave. Otherwise they're making her look bad for nothing. But I guess I can say that about pretty much all of the women right now.

[Melgaypet]

13 hours ago, LexieLily said:

Didn't the original birth certificate have Charlotte being born in May 1992?

I don't have the faintest idea, but this made me laugh pretty hard. So she's almost 25? Does she have that non-aging disease where you look like a child your whole life? Did Helena send the e****o back in time? That's not even getting into the fact that I remember Lulu was born in 1994. I know, SORAS, but still! Does this show get anything right? (Rhetorical question.)

[LexieLily]

41 minutes ago, Melgaypet said:

I don't have the faintest idea, but this made me laugh pretty hard. So she's almost 25? Does she have that non-aging disease where you look like a child your whole life? Did Helena send the e****o back in time? That's not even getting into the fact that I remember Lulu was born in 1994. I know, SORAS, but still! Does this show get anything right? (Rhetorical question.)

I think the birth certificate was posted in a spoiler/rumor report as authenticity or proof that Charlotte-The-Embryo wasn't Lulu's and was in fact Laura's child. Or something. I don't even want to get into thinking about how that could have happened.

[LeftPhalange]

39 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

I think the birth certificate was posted in a spoiler/rumor report as authenticity or proof that Charlotte-The-Embryo wasn't Lulu's and was in fact Laura's child. Or something. 

Cancel GH.

[LexieLily]

11 minutes ago, LeftPhalange said:

Cancel GH.

I'm sorry! I didn't make it up, I just read it somewhere. Lol. ;)

[ulkis]

1 hour ago, Perkie said:

 I'm starting to think it has to do with ER's maternity leave. They need to write Lulu out for a couple of months so why not make her go cucoo for cocoa puffs over Charlotte, which would allow the show to stick Lulu in Ferncliff for the length of ER's mat leave. Otherwise they're making her look bad for nothing. But I guess I can say that about pretty much all of the women right now.

Lord, I really hope not. They can easily send her off to visit Luke or something. Or hell, she was barely on earlier this year and there were no explanations.

[LexieLily]

3 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Lord, I really hope not. They can easily send her off to visit Luke or something. Or hell, she was barely on earlier this year and there were no explanations.

Do we even know where Luke is? Laura doesn't seem to know, to the point where she has to send messages through Robert Scorpio to tell him to call their daughter every so often. 

[ulkis]

I'm sure he has several favorite brothels Lulu can stake out!

[peachmangosteen]

5 hours ago, Ambrosefolly said:

For whatever reason they torpedoed Liz's most promising pairing with AJ ...

I think that was more about the dislike of SK/every showrunner ever's hate for AJ than BH/Liz.

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I think the greatest evidence of the distain for Liz ...

I really don't think the writers hate Liz, I just think they don't give one shit about her. Which might be worse. And they also clearly know BH has a large fanbase that will stick by Liz no matter what she does, so they use that to prop other people.

2 hours ago, Perkie said:

 I'm starting to think it has to do with ER's maternity leave. They need to write Lulu out for a couple of months so why not make her go cucoo for cocoa puffs over Charlotte, which would allow the show to stick Lulu in Ferncliff for the length of ER's mat leave. 

Fucking ugh if they do this.

Edited January 21, 2017 by peachmangosteen

[Melgaypet]

59 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

I really don't think the writers hate Liz, I just think they don't give one shit about her. Which might be worse. And they also clearly know BH has a large fanbase that will stick by Liz no matter what she does, so they use that to prop other people.

I agree. I think of it as the Kassie dePaiva Treatment.

[movingtargetgal]

On 1/20/2017 at 4:05 PM, Bringonthedrama said:

I think someone should give awesome dad Mac Scorpio a call - have him remove Charlotte from Valentin and Lulu's toxicity. He surely remembers what it's like to be there for a young girl who's been through a lot of change/trauma. 

YES!  We all know that Mac Scorpio is the best dad ever and would be able to put Charlotte's needs first.  

I am glad Maxie and Nathan finally got to have their wedding.  I was really disappointed with their first dance song.  Ever since I heard Robbie Williams version of "Have You Met Miss Jones" I have wanted to see Maxie and her groom dance to it for their first dance.

[Asp Burger]

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I remember Sam mentioning how Liz was one of those woman who play the victim or some shit like that ...

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Well ...

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I know, but it isn't exclusive to Liz. It is Ava and Kiki's favorite card, but no calls them out on it, except Michael if they can pry him away from his latest dull pairing. Sam has probably played it a few times herself

Women on these shows pretty much exist to be in danger and need to be rescued. Even bad-ass Anna Devane is going to be a rung below Sonny or Jason in being able to solve her own problems. They had her being terrified of Faison when he was running around loose a few years ago. More recently, she got the drop on loser Carlos and he still managed to knock her out and put her in a storage bin, or whatever that was, so she could have concussive visions of Duke until someone came to save her.

My problem is when the writing chooses to score snarky points off of a character because of the writing's own lazy choices. There was a lot of this with AJ.  

Here is a relevant example for Liz: other characters throwing it in her face, "You climbed [X number of] flights of stairs in a blackout to be with Jason!" That's a blatant example of the writers taking their snark off of message boards and putting it in characters' mouths, to use against a non-favored character. As originally shown, I'm fairly sure that was just writing contrivance. It's not as though they showed her climbing a bunch of flights of stairs, stopping and mopping her brow, trudging up the next flight of stairs and saying, "Hang on. Hang on. Jason is waiting for you at the top. You can do this." It was something inferred. Obviously, yes, it was a blackout, and we can theorize an elevator would not be working. So, especially if we didn't like Liz, or didn't like the direction of the story, we could say, "Oh, that slut, I hate her so much. She's so upset about Lucky, but it doesn't stop her from climbing all those flights of stairs to be boned by Jason and wreck Sam's life!" 

Then it works its way into the writing in cheap shots from the likes of Carly and becomes canon. It's just tacky. I'm waiting for Sam or someone to throw it in her face that she never spends time with her kids and is always dumping them on Audrey. We rarely see scenes with her with the kids, because they don't want to go to the trouble of rounding up the child actors, or don't want to waste time on it, or whatever. But some people on message boards say "She is such a lousy mother; those kids spend 95% of their time with Audrey!" Then, months down the line, that becomes canon when some scriptwriter wants to give Sam or Dr. Obrecht an anti-Liz zinger -- doesn't even matter that "Liz is a good mother" is the party line most of the time. Wait for it.  

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I think the problem with Liz in that area happened the second this show no longer considered Lucky to be the love of her life. That was Liz's OTP. But when show decides to make it JASON for Liz, when Jason already had an OTP himself (and other characters he placed above Liz, as well), it's Liz who suffered.

Now, here, I disagree. I think a big problem with the writing of Liz was trying to get more water from the Lucky well than it had left in it. That was a good pairing when Jonathan Jackson played the role. Becky works well with most of her love interests, but she had negative chemistry with the Jacob Young Lucky. That was painful, and they had her trying to play a connection that was ludicrously not there anymore. While she was doing all of the work ("she" being both character Liz and actress Becky), we were getting scenes of the JY Lucky going to his true love, the Coltin Scott Martines version of Nikolas, and saying, over and over, things like "Gosh, I try and try, but even though this Liz is a nice girl, I really don't remember ever giving a shit about her. Just not feelin' it. But I guess I'll try to be a stand-up guy! What other option is there?" While doing this, he was flirting up a storm with Gia, or screwing Liz's sister. Seriously -- that was vile writing for Liz fans to sit through, and it went on forever.

With the Greg Vaughan version, it was slightly better -- anything would have been; at least they acted as though they could stand each other -- but clearly, no one calling the shots respected Lucky anymore. In both cases, Lucky was just a sandbag on Liz, and she couldn't get out of his orbit.  

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I really don't think the writers hate Liz, I just think they don't give one shit about her. Which might be worse. And they also clearly know BH has a large fanbase that will stick by Liz no matter what she does, so they use that to prop other people.

Bingo. It has been this way since 2000.

Edited January 22, 2017 by Asp Burger

[Cheyanne11]

It took me til just now to get through the last episode.   All I got out of it was four laugh out loud moments, only one of which was meant to be intentions:

- Ava saying Alexis was off sniffing hand sanitizer (that's the intentional one)

- Sam using "I read it on the Internet" as proof of something.

- Valentin morphing into "Igor the Hunchback Stutterer" (tm Perkie)

and, lastly, Olivia going all Mean Girls Burn Book with her pasted-on photos of her with Duke. 

[drtslim]

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I think the problem with Liz in that area happened the second this show no longer considered Lucky to be the love of her life. That was Liz's OTP. But when show decides to make it JASON for Liz, when Jason already had an OTP himself (and other characters he placed above Liz, as well), it's Liz who suffered.

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Now, here, I disagree. I think a big problem with the writing of Liz was trying to get more water from the Lucky well than it had left in it.

I'm not sure, but I think that the spirit behind the first quote is that when Liz was taken from the LL2 OTP to Jiz/Liason which had the stiff competition against JaSam (which later writer regimes seemed to favor), and in order to make the eventual decision of the regimes to keep Jason as the "Love of Liz's Life" but have Jason's be Sam, Liz had to be sacrificed.

[Darklazr]

22 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

Women on these shows pretty much exist to be in danger and need to be rescued. Even bad-ass Anna Devane is going to be a rung below Sonny or Jason in being able to solve her own problems. They had her being terrified of Faison when he was running around loose a few years ago. More recently, she got the drop on loser Carlos and he still managed to knock her out and put her in a storage bin, or whatever that was, so she could have concussive visions of Duke until someone came to save her.

My problem is when the writing chooses to score snarky points off of a character because of the writing's own lazy choices. There was a lot of this with AJ.  

Here is a relevant example for Liz: other characters throwing it in her face, "You climbed [X number of] flights of stairs in a blackout to be with Jason!" That's a blatant example of the writers taking their snark off of message boards and putting it in characters' mouths, to use against a non-favored character. As originally shown, I'm fairly sure that was just writing contrivance. It's not as though they showed her climbing a bunch of flights of stairs, stopping and mopping her brow, trudging up the next flight of stairs and saying, "Hang on. Hang on. Jason is waiting for you at the top. You can do this." It was something inferred. Obviously, yes, it was a blackout, and we can theorize an elevator would not be working. So, especially if we didn't like Liz, or didn't like the direction of the story, we could say, "Oh, that slut, I hate her so much. She's so upset about Lucky, but it doesn't stop her from climbing all those flights of stairs to be boned by Jason and wreck Sam's life!" 

Then it works its way into the writing in cheap shots from the likes of Carly and becomes canon. It's just tacky. I'm waiting for Sam or someone to throw it in her face that she never spends time with her kids and is always dumping them on Audrey. We rarely see scenes with her with the kids, because they don't want to go to the trouble of rounding up the child actors, or don't want to waste time on it, or whatever. But some people on message boards say "She is such a lousy mother; those kids spend 95% of their time with Audrey!" Then, months down the line, that becomes canon when some scriptwriter wants to give Sam or Dr. Obrecht an anti-Liz zinger -- doesn't even matter that "Liz is a good mother" is the party line most of the time. Wait for it.  

Now, here, I disagree. I think a big problem with the writing of Liz was trying to get more water from the Lucky well than it had left in it. That was a good pairing when Jonathan Jackson played the role. Becky works well with most of her love interests, but she had negative chemistry with the Jacob Young Lucky. That was painful, and they had her trying to play a connection that was ludicrously not there anymore. While she was doing all of the work ("she" being both character Liz and actress Becky), we were getting scenes of the JY Lucky going to his true love, the Coltin Scott Martines version of Nikolas, and saying, over and over, things like "Gosh, I try and try, but even though this Liz is a nice girl, I really don't remember ever giving a shit about her. Just not feelin' it. But I guess I'll try to be a stand-up guy! What other option is there?" While doing this, he was flirting up a storm with Gia, or screwing Liz's sister. Seriously -- that was vile writing for Liz fans to sit through, and it went on forever.

With the Greg Vaughan version, it was slightly better -- anything would have been; at least they acted as though they could stand each other -- but clearly, no one calling the shots respected Lucky anymore. In both cases, Lucky was just a sandbag on Liz, and she couldn't get out of his orbit.  

Bingo. It has been this way since 2000.

LnL2 died the second JJ left the role and the subsequent actors were miscast each and every time.  Guza tried to fix the writing for Lucky when JJ returned and it bombed IMO due to what the show wrote for the two previous actors.  

Elizabeth grew up and moved on after Lucky died, so it was not fair IMO for the show to keep trying to push her back toward her first love.  Robin moved on from Stone and Jason, and eventually fell in love with Patrick. However, the show stubbornly refused to allow Elizabeth the same courtesy when they paired her with Jason, Ric  (I hated LiRic), Zander, AJ, Ewen, Nik, Jake Doe, and Franco is not worth her time.

[RedheadZombie]

Caught the episode on demand.  I try not to take this show seriously, but the thought of a baby unnecessarily having his stomach pumped makes me sick.  Do they have any idea how traumatic that is?  Oh well, just sugar pills.  FOGH.  

[HeatLifer]

2 hours ago, drtslim said:

I'm not sure, but I think that the spirit behind the first quote is that when Liz was taken from the LL2 OTP to Jiz/Liason which had the stiff competition against JaSam (which later writer regimes seemed to favor), and in order to make the eventual decision of the regimes to keep Jason as the "Love of Liz's Life" but have Jason's be Sam, Liz had to be sacrificed.

Yep. As long as the love of Liz's life had ANOTHER love of HIS life, she was always gonna end up this way. Meaning, she doesn't have an OTP now.

[Darklazr]

2 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

Yep. As long as the love of Liz's life had ANOTHER love of HIS life, she was always gonna end up this way. Meaning, she doesn't have an OTP now.

Here's the thing, without backstage agenda's there is no way in hell Jason Morgan would have ever taken Sam back after what she did to Jake.  Jason kicked Robin out of his life after she told AJ that Michael was his kid and I firmly believe that he would have NEVER taken Sam back.  JMO.

[stlbf]

On Saturday, January 21, 2017 at 4:48 PM, peachmangosteen said:

I think that was more about the dislike of SK/every showrunner ever's hate for AJ than BH/Liz.

I really don't think the writers hate Liz, I just think they don't give one shit about her. Which might be worse. And they also clearly know BH has a large fanbase that will stick by Liz no matter what she does, so they use that to prop other people.

Fucking ugh if they do this.

4 hours ago, Darklazr said:

LnL2 died the second JJ left the role and the subsequent actors were miscast each and every time.  Guza tried to fix the writing for Lucky when JJ returned and it bombed IMO due to what the show wrote for the two previous actors.  

Elizabeth grew up and moved on after Lucky died, so it was not fair IMO for the show to keep trying to push her back toward her first love.  Robin moved on from Stone and Jason, and eventually fell in love with Patrick. However, the show stubbornly refused to allow Elizabeth the same courtesy when they paired her with Jason, Ric  (I hated LiRic), Zander, AJ, Ewen, Nik, Jake Doe, and Franco is not worth her time.

 

3 hours ago, Darklazr said:

Here's the thing, without backstage agenda's there is no way in hell Jason Morgan would have ever taken Sam back after what she did to Jake.  Jason kicked Robin out of his life after she told AJ that Michael was his kid and I firmly believe that he would have NEVER taken Sam back.  JMO.

Pretty much agree. Liz has been a damn teen/20something for way too many years now. For some reason, writers keep dragging her back to one dead end relationship again and again. Lucky(multiple times), Jason AND Ric have also been revisited several times now. Usually for stupid reasons. And then broken up for just as fast for stupid reasons.

Robin has been allowed to grow up and find a real relationship with Patrick. Liz is still stuck, being a backup date for the damn lazy writers. I was shocked that Quiz was allowed to last as long as it did. That was the healthiest god damn dating relationship Liz has been involved in for years! I refuse to believe that the writers had any idea that SK and BH would spark with one another as much as they did. It was just a quick way to give them their air time and have them not be in anything important to the writers.

And yeah, I too find the whole Jason /Sam = Tru Wuv belief impossible to buy. St. Jasus cut Robin out for telling AJ the truth. I find it hard to believe that he would ever forgive Sam after her stunts with toddler Cam and baby Jake. Bullshit redemption stories didn't cut it then, just like Franco's doesn't now.

Jebus, I still can't believe the have Liz with control freak Franco. And not one damn person has really bothered to point the red flags out. The closest I can remember is Dr. O and maybe Griffin that time he was talking to Liz at the hospital. 

Re: Valentin and Charlotte 

I'm still going with Charlotte is Claudette's child with Valentin. Valentin is playing a long con on Nina to get her supposed vast fortune. Baby Rabies Crazed Lulu is the perfect patsy to get Baby Rabies Crazed Nina in Momma Bear mode. So Valentin gets the money, the kid, kick Nina to the curb and he gets to screw over Prince Nik's beloved baby sister. Perhaps driving Lulu to Ferncliff. I'm just hoping that Griffin is along for the ride to screw over Anna. This is the only remotely interesting plot I can come up with.

[sunnyface]

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So Valentin gets the money, the kid, kick Nina to the curb and he gets to screw over Prince Nik's beloved baby sister.

The only positive thing about this character is that he makes the scenes with him and Nina somewhat more watchable.   This show doesn't need any more villains.    Instead of spending money on these unnecessary additions, spend it on getting some competent writers.

[tveyeonyou]

3 hours ago, sunnyface said:

The only positive thing about this character is that he makes the scenes with him and Nina somewhat more watchable.   This show doesn't need any more villains.    Instead of spending money on these unnecessary additions, spend it on getting some competent writers.

This a thousand times (and bolded by me). I find it hard to believe they can't hire at least one damn good writer. Hell, there is more thought put into the posts here than there is in one scene of TFGH. There are tons of great writers around, maybe they aren't friends with TIIC, which, to me, seems to be the criteria when it comes to hiring writers. Again, this is only my opinion because I don't really keep up with who knows who in the industry but seriously, it's like they reached the bottom of the barrel a long time ago and now they're at slug and worm level.

Agree 100% that JJ's Lucky was Elizabeth's OTP. Not GV, not Jacob whatever his last name is, but only JJ. Stop with the bullshit and write a credible storyline for Liz already. It seems the more they try to destroy the character of Liz, the more respect I have for RH for just going with whatever they give her.

Half the time I feel like I'm watching a show full of in-jokes that none of us are in on.

ETA: My TV listing for today's GH is the same as Thursday's episode, are we getting a repeat today?

Edited January 23, 2017 by tveyeonyou

[Asp Burger]

I haven't looked at my TV listing for it, but I hope they aren't showing Thursday's again. There have been so many repeats and preemptions recently.  

Of course, most of the episodes for the last month could have the same description. Let me try my hand:  

"Sonny worries about Nelle. Franco continues his investigation of Tom's murder. Julian comforts Alexis. Kiki grows more at ease with Dillon. Finn conceals his suffering from Hayden. (60 minutes, TV-14)"

Or:  

"Jason and Curtis get one step closer to the truth. Bobbie sees something suspicious. Anna confronts Valentin. Lulu comes up with a new way to spend time with Charlotte. (60 minutes, TV-14)"

There are tons of great writers around, maybe they aren't friends with TIIC, which, to me, seems to be the criteria when it comes to hiring writers.

I fear the great writers are going into anything and everything under the banner of "writing" except daytime drama. Still, yes, I'd have to imagine there's someone out there who would love a job, even if it had to be done under a pen name, and would be a vast improvement. Daytime has become sort of like a sport where the same failing managers keep rounding the circuit from team to team. "Your last team had a losing record for five seasons in a row, and you were famous for boneheaded decisions that contributed to that? You're hired! We could use your 'experience'!" 

[Sake614]

according to my cable guide, today is new:

Sam stumbles upon an important clue; Liz puts herself in harm's way; Dante and Nathan zero in on a suspect.

[dubbel zout]

Some cable guides might be messed up because of the preemptions last week.

[Linny]

Making America Great Again by taking over GH's timeslot and slowly weaning all of us from our viewing habit.

ETA: they finally switched off the press conference, so at least we got the last half of the episode.

Edited January 23, 2017 by Linny

[LexieLily]

9 hours ago, stlbf said:

Re: Valentin and Charlotte 

I'm still going with Charlotte is Claudette's child with Valentin. Valentin is playing a long con on Nina to get her supposed vast fortune. Baby Rabies Crazed Lulu is the perfect patsy to get Baby Rabies Crazed Nina in Momma Bear mode. So Valentin gets the money, the kid, kick Nina to the curb and he gets to screw over Prince Nik's beloved baby sister.

Apparently Nina is going after Anna soon enough because of Anna's supposed past with Valentin so I'm on board with Valentin pulling the long con on Nina. Hate it that Lulu would be caught in the crossfire but at least she wouldn't be forever connected to a Cassadine.

[dubbel zout]

13 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

Apparently Nina is going after Anna soon enough because of Anna's supposed past with Valentin

Good grief. It's so stupid I can't come up with anything else to say.

Edited January 23, 2017 by dubbel zout

[LeftPhalange]

20 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

Apparently Nina is going after Anna soon enough because of Anna's supposed past with Valentin

What time is president dump cancelling GH?

[Ladyrain]

33 minutes ago, Linny said:

Making America Great Again by taking over GH's timeslot and slowly weaning all of us from our viewing habit.

ETA: they finally switched off the press conference, so at least we got the last half of the episode.

Please tell me tRump's mouthpiece isn't going to be pre-empting GH every day.  If so, Spicer might as well rip off a latex mask to reveal Helena. 

[CookieBud]

Can someone in a different time zone please tell me what was missed because of alternate fact person Sean Spicer?  My feed picked up from when Charlotte told Nina about Lulu.  I watch for Hayden and Finn and of COURSE that's the day that gets interrupted for a press conference by, not the president, but his press person.  Sorry, I'm on overload with all of this.

[LegalParrot81]

Okay, I admit, I'm not watching but has Olivia "Mama Boyardee" Falconari been sent back to Bensonhurst with the return of Olivia Jerome?  Otherwise, wouldn't all those Olivia's get confusing?

[ciarra]

Mama Spaghetti is still around.  She had a crisis with Leo because Olivia Jerome St. John had sugar pills put in an aspirin bottle at the babysitter's.   Of course it was all the babysitter's fault. 

[ulkis]

9 minutes ago, LegalParrot81 said:

Okay, I admit, I'm not watching but has Olivia "Mama Boyardee" Falconari been sent back to Bensonhurst with the return of Olivia Jerome?  Otherwise, wouldn't all those Olivia's get confusing?

No, but she went on recurring a while ago and her appearances are pretty sparse now.

[Darklazr]

2 hours ago, LegalParrot81 said:

Okay, I admit, I'm not watching but has Olivia "Mama Boyardee" Falconari been sent back to Bensonhurst with the return of Olivia Jerome?  Otherwise, wouldn't all those Olivia's get confusing?

This is when Paul Hornsby resident serial killer should have take out at least ten not needed characters.

[Jazzy24]

1 minute ago, ulkis said:

No, but she went on recurring a while ago and her appearances are pretty sparse now.

Such a useless character. Like why is she on the show, even sparsely? 

[LexieLily]

3 minutes ago, Darklazr said:

This is when Paul Hornsby resident serial killer should have take out at least ten not needed characters.

Given that he barely had a reason for killing and/or attacking who he DID kill, it was such a wasted opportunity for the show not to have Paul just take out half the cast.

Good for Lulu for admitting today that she and Charlotte are essentially strangers to each other and she probably scared her. I wish she would have thought of that before she told Charlotte she was her real mom and she had a brother named Rocco. Which brings me to, *how* do Lulu and Dante explain it to Rocco that he suddenly has a sister?

[Linny]

Lulu fell ass first into that cake and then was walking around completely clean fifteen minutes later. Because a pound of cake and buttercream smeared into her dress is something she can dab off in the bathroom sink.

I hate that I missed the Valentin and Anna stuff. But I'm sure we'll get more flashbacks, so whatever.

Liz Nancy Drew-ing her way around town is boring. If there's anyone who is not worth the effort, it's Franco. Maybe she could spend time with her kids for a change.

[TeeVee329]

Poor Brad, waiting for Lucas at The Floating Rib.  That's gonna be a long wait, Brads.

[Ladyrain]

42 minutes ago, CookieBud said:

Can someone in a different time zone please tell me what was missed because of alternate fact person Sean Spicer?  My feed picked up from when Charlotte told Nina about Lulu.  I watch for Hayden and Finn and of COURSE that's the day that gets interrupted for a press conference by, not the president, but his press person.  Sorry, I'm on overload with all of this.

I feel your pain.  The whole first half of the show...gone.  It would have been nice if a voice-over could have given a very brief synopsis of the first 30 minutes when ABC resumed broadcasting.  That's been done in the past, occasionally.

[ulkis]

7 minutes ago, Ladyrain said:

I feel your pain.  The whole first half of the show...gone.  It would have been nice if a voice-over could have given a very brief synopsis of the first 30 minutes when ABC resumed broadcasting.  That's been done in the past, occasionally.

They're going to have it up on the ABC website later.

[Ladyrain]

stlbf, I agree with you as to Claudette being Charlotte's biological mother, if only for the fact of - the show went to the trouble of getting a child that looks exactly like Claudette (sorry, can't remember the actress' name).  The resemblance between those two was uncanny.  Charlotte looks nothing at all like Lulu, and certainly doesn't resemble Valentin.  The writers were just flailing around with this storyline from the get-go.  Nathan is the father.  No, Griffin is the father.  No, actually Valentin is the father --  today anyway.  Claudette is the mother.  No, Lulu is the mother.  It's so stupid and I am not the least bit interested in adorable little Charlotte or her parentage. 

1 minute ago, ulkis said:

They're going to have it up on the ABC website later.

Thank you for that info ☺️

[Perkie]

We got the entire episode here in Toronto.   Here's what you missed (just the jist of it):

Lulu says she's Charlotte's mom.  Charlotte screams that she' s not her mom than storms out of the closet, jamming the door so that Lulu can't get out.  Lulu, somehow manages to climb into the vent on the ceiling and comes crashing out of the ceiling in the main room, landing on the cake.  She tells Dante about her convo with Charlotte and boo hoo hoo, I messed things up.

Hayden and Finn are in the afterglow.  She goes to shower, he grabs his needle, she sees it, he lies and says because he had the disease longer it's taking him longer to fight it off.  They go to the Rib, run into Brad, Hayden mentions the drugs, Brad figures out that Finn is addicted to it.

Valentin admits he was a analyst for the WSB, made a pass at Anna, got rejected, felt it was because he Igor the scary, decided to change his life (got scolio surgery, didn't know that was a thing).    Anna tells andre and Griffin that she thinks he's coming after her for revenge.

Charlotte tells Nina what Lulu said, then tells Valentin that she overheard Griffin say papa killed mommy.  Valentin claims he didn't kill Claudette and that he needs to discuss the LUlu thing iwth her at another time.  

Brad overhears Liz trying to find Franco and tells her that Monica is pissed he didn't show up for work and the police are looking for him.  Liz calls and meets with Scotty at Gene's.  Franco's car is in the lot but no Franco.  Scott says Tom's DNA came back on the dog cage .  They figure Franco left town to avoid getting caught.  Liz heads to the alley and finds Franco's phone covered in blood.

Naxie consumate their marriage than share a bunch of gifts.  

I think that was the jist of it.  

[CookieBud]

1 minute ago, Perkie said:

We got the entire episode here in Toronto.   Here's what you missed (just the jist of it):

Lulu says she's Charlotte's mom.  Charlotte screams that she' s not her mom than storms out of the closet, jamming the door so that Lulu can't get out.  Lulu, somehow manages to climb into the vent on the ceiling and comes crashing out of the ceiling in the main room, landing on the cake.  She tells Dante about her convo with Charlotte and boo hoo hoo, I messed things up.

Hayden and Finn are in the afterglow.  She goes to shower, he grabs his needle, she sees it, he lies and says because he had the disease longer it's taking him longer to fight it off.  They go to the Rib, run into Brad, Hayden mentions the drugs, Brad figures out that Finn is addicted to it.

Valentin admits he was a analyst for the WSB, made a pass at Anna, got rejected, felt it was because he Igor the scary, decided to change his life (got scolio surgery, didn't know that was a thing).    Anna tells andre and Griffin that she thinks he's coming after her for revenge.

Charlotte tells Nina what Lulu said, then tells Valentin that she overheard Griffin say papa killed mommy.  Valentin claims he didn't kill Claudette and that he needs to discuss the LUlu thing iwth her at another time.  

Brad overhears Liz trying to find Franco and tells her that Monica is pissed he didn't show up for work and the police are looking for him.  Liz calls and meets with Scotty at Gene's.  Franco's car is in the lot but no Franco.  Scott says Tom's DNA came back on the dog cage .  They figure Franco left town to avoid getting caught.  Liz heads to the alley and finds Franco's phone covered in blood.

Naxie consumate their marriage than share a bunch of gifts.  

I think that was the jist of it.  

Thank  you!  I'm so mad that I missed Hayden and Finn,  I do appreciate your summary.

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6 minutes ago, Perkie said:

Hayden and Finn are in the afterglow.

I still don't understand why Dr. Michael Easton and Rebecca Budig having The Sex for the first time was relegated to off-screen.  Did this show forget it's a soap opera?

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18 minutes ago, Perkie said:

landing on the cake

Why does GH hate baked goods so much?

(That said, I'm sorry I missed that. I might have to catch in the ABC site, though it doesn't usually let me see same-day episodes because of stupid Time Warner Spectrum.)

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[Perkie]

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 I'm sorry I missed that. I might have to catch in the ABC site, 

You don't really see it.  Dante hears something in the ceiling and we know Lulu climbed up there, so we know it's her, then he reacts, like the ceilings falling in.  Cut to commercial.  Back and Lulu's lying on the floor on top of the squished cake.  

All I kept thinking was how shoddy is the Metrocourt building that an 80 pound girl manages to take the ceiling down.  

[ulkis]

Yes, I'm so sure Finn would have that tattoo or Maxie eats cookies in bed all the time. Also, would it be that hard to beat Finn at pool? Is that a thing of his? Otherwise, why would it be something Hayden felt a need to beat him at. (I almost typed "Greenlee", then I almost typed "Rebecca". Oops!

I'm sure Edith Vandergold Reeves was thrilled Maxie got her necklace. Well, she'd probably prefer Maxie to Nina at least.

I liked Liz playing murder buff. 

In P.C. not only does cake come off immaculately but blood stays wet for several days. 

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30 minutes ago, Perkie said:

All I kept thinking was how shoddy is the Metrocourt building that an 80 pound girl manages to take the ceiling down.  

Hee. But will no one think of the cake?!

6 minutes ago, ulkis said:

would it be that hard to beat Finn at pool? Is that a thing of his?

Eesh, pool was a John McBain thing. (I know pool isn't so unusual, but there are other things Finn could play.)